17:02:10 #startmeeting training-guides 17:02:11 Meeting started Mon May 16 17:02:10 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is matjazp. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:02:12 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:02:14 The meeting name has been set to 'training_guides' 17:02:19 roll call 17:03:51 Hi 17:04:00 hey ianychoi_phone 17:04:12 you're typing on the phone? 17:04:24 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda 17:04:29 Strangely, I cannot input enter key on my computer 17:05:02 standard agenda, I guess 17:05:09 Is you keyboard broken? 17:05:19 I think so... hmm 17:05:36 Yep standard :) How have u been? 17:05:44 ok, so we can perhaps be short, so you don't have to type a lot on the phone 17:05:58 ianychoi_phone: ok, and you? 17:06:10 Yep Me too 17:06:26 lets start with your review 17:06:27 #topic training guides 17:06:43 I looked at your patch 17:06:45 nice 17:06:52 its quite a big one too 17:07:07 you could easily slice it to smaller pieces 17:07:20 maybe it would be easier to review too 17:07:22 Thanks:) But I need to enhance it 17:07:39 Yep, thanks for your good suggestion! 17:07:42 sure, but you got the ball rolling and that what counts 17:08:16 anyway, as I said in the review and on the ML - links to the Docs is encouraged, not just allowed 17:08:39 I primarily focused on converting from xml to rst, but yep I need to change some content. For example, we should mention openstack-client 17:09:01 I met Lana on the last summit :) 17:09:17 yes, how was it? 17:09:42 Nice! She also attended i18n meetup 17:10:31 It seems that other parts such as install-guide have some goals.. 17:11:02 Lana mentioned that they want to enhance Upstream training, which is awsome 17:11:26 The meetup focused on those goals, but I briefly talked with her, and she also encouraged training-guide stuffs :) 17:11:46 As I see it, there will also be a lot of smaller Upstream trainings around the globe.. I know that Marton is organising one in June in Budapest (Hungary) 17:12:20 I agree with that. At least, someone needs to update content with last Austin upstream training.. 17:12:46 Yep! Hope that Hungary upstream training will be successful! 17:13:16 ok, but we deviated from the Training guides 17:14:18 Yep.. h 17:14:30 you can just clean your patch a bit and we'll merge it and restructure with smaller patches 17:15:32 Okay. I will reflect your comment first. Then I will enhance it with other patches 17:15:38 in the future, you can just slice the topic into smaller chunks and submit reviews. I hope that will ease the review so other can contribute 17:15:55 Thanks for the suggestion! 17:17:00 Yep, I am come back:) 17:17:04 #info steady progress on the Training guides 17:17:18 oh, you fixed the Enter key :) 17:17:52 I rebooted my computer :) 17:18:10 ? never heard that just one key stopped working... :) 17:18:50 Strangely, alphabets worked but other keys (enter, tab, function keys, ...) did not work.. 17:19:17 Anyway, I will update my patch very soon first, and update it later with other patches. Is it okay? 17:19:30 sure, thanks for contributing 17:19:39 move on? 17:19:43 It's my pleasure:) okay! 17:19:47 #topic upstream training 17:20:46 #info there were some talk at the Austin Summit about contributing to the Upstream training 17:21:01 Some talks? 17:21:55 hmm.. not the talk at the summit, but they were discussing changes at the Upstream training 17:22:36 Yes. Positive changes will make upstream training content better :) 17:22:45 #undo 17:22:45 Removing item from minutes: 17:23:40 #info Lana and Brian offered to expand the Upstream training with feedback from Austin Upstream training session 17:24:00 that's better wording, I hope 17:24:09 :) Nice! 17:25:00 I should ping them a bit, as a friendly reminder... Or maybe we can help if they give us raw feedback info 17:25:30 move on? 17:25:30 What kind of feedbacks were from Austin upstream training? If we know the feedback, then we can change upstream training! 17:26:23 one bit of feedback, it was hard to hear the presenter, since the mic wasn't used much 17:26:50 also, it seemed like half the folks tried to follow along, and the rest just did their own thing 17:27:20 Thanks, catlook! 17:28:44 catlook: Thanks. it happens if the group is heterogenous with prior knowledge 17:29:03 catlook: what about the material itself? 17:29:07 Mind you ,I think it served it's purpose. Maybe next time set it up like a min-conf, witha key note or two and then break out sessions with individual leaders 17:30:19 ok, thanks. I'll start a thread in Docs ML about feedback so we can enhance it 17:30:25 sure! 17:30:31 Okay nice! 17:30:37 Last Tokyo upstream training were successful I think. I do not know too much how Austin upstream training accomplished, but there might have several factors... 17:30:47 #info matjazp starts a thread on ML about Upstream training feedback 17:30:53 #undo 17:30:54 Removing item from minutes: 17:31:00 #action matjazp starts a thread on ML about Upstream training feedback 17:31:08 The lego exercise was awesome lesson on how OS works together and individually 17:33:12 #info Upstream training feedback from catlook: presenter was hard to hear (better mic/not using them) 17:33:29 matjazp, one question: who are in upstream-training@openstack.org ? Are you in upstream-training@openstack.org ? 17:34:17 I am not sure, but including upstream-training@openstack.org mailing list for discussions will be also nice I think. 17:34:30 #info Upstream training feedback from catlook: half trainees tried to follow along, and the rest just did their own thing 17:35:17 #info Upstream training feedback from catlook: change format to min-conf, with a key note or two and then break out sessions with individual leaders 17:35:39 catlook: thanks again, useful stuff! 17:35:51 you betcha! 17:36:02 +1 thanks, catlook ! 17:36:12 ianychoi: no I'm not. 17:36:36 catlook: if you remember anything else, we're here to listen :) 17:37:59 THat was most of it. My goal was to get through the contribution process, end-to-end, and become an ATC. Success :) And I learned more about OS, in the process, also good! 17:38:19 ianychoi: It's the contact for the Training session oganizers 17:38:57 catlook: exactly the point of the Upstream training :) 17:39:15 to help you with onboarding stuff 17:39:42 ok, move to the aob? 17:40:03 To change upstream training materials better, I think we also need to discuss with Upstream training session organizers. How about also including the mailing list for discussions? 17:41:34 Sure, That's why I'll start a ML thread. I hope to get more feedback 17:41:42 +1 17:41:55 Okay, then nothing more on this topic 17:42:06 #topic aob (any other business) 17:42:19 anything else to discuss? 17:43:22 Nothing too much.. for aob 17:44:00 wrap it up then? 17:44:13 Agree :) Thanks for today meeting! 17:44:34 ianychoi catlook : thanks for your time, see you! 17:44:37 bye all 17:44:41 bye all! 17:45:14 :) 17:45:21 #endmeeting