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13:01:25 <matjazp> nice, bot works this time :)
13:01:31 <ianychoi> yey~~~
13:01:38 <matjazp> hey diablo_rojo_phon
13:01:41 <matjazp> roll call
13:01:44 <ildikov> o/
13:01:49 <matjazp> hi ildikov
13:01:50 <ianychoi> ildikov, hi :)
13:01:54 <kmARC> o/
13:01:59 <ianychoi> kmARC, HI!
13:02:11 <matjazp> hey kmARC
13:02:45 <matjazp> #link Agenda at https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/training-guides-meeting-agenda
13:04:21 <matjazp> let me look at last meeting log (on my comp) for action items
13:05:42 <matjazp> #topic Upstream training
13:06:15 <ildikov> #info we got the approval to store the VM image on tarballs.o.o
13:06:17 <matjazp> there is a decision about storing VMs on tarball.openstack.org
13:06:22 <ildikov> that's the main news since the last meeting
13:06:23 <ianychoi> ildikov, good
13:06:35 <matjazp> yes, great news
13:06:44 <ildikov> matjazp: +1 :)
13:07:04 <ildikov> the plan is to automate the process of generating and uploading the image
13:07:07 <matjazp> kmARC will submit a patch with his code into our repo
13:07:20 <kmARC> well well
13:07:22 <kmARC> :-)
13:07:26 <matjazp> infra team will help us automate the publishing
13:07:29 <ildikov> the source files/scripts will be stored in th etraining-guides repo if haven't changed our mind :)
13:07:34 <kmARC> It's not gonna be that easy, that's why I'm still not done with it :-)
13:07:49 <matjazp> kmARC: what's the blocker?
13:07:51 <ildikov> kmARC: it would've been too nice if it's easy... :)
13:08:07 <kmARC> basically they can't support a vagrant workflow
13:08:30 <kmARC> so I need to learn how their yaml-based workflow works and on top of that need to convert the resulting images to ova, etc.
13:08:31 <ildikov> kmARC: bah, I missed that part of the chat :/ :(
13:08:50 <matjazp> kmARC: can't we install vbox and vagrant ourselves?
13:09:18 <matjazp> you know, just use their VM as a base and install everything in it?
13:09:42 <kmARC> I don't think so. The scripts can be tailored to work on their infrastructure, however it's not _trivial_ to port
13:10:57 <matjazp> hmm.. the first step can be to publish the VM image that we build by hand, just so that it is published on o.o infra. Automation can be added later
13:11:10 <kmARC> yes, that's something what we already started
13:11:44 <kmARC> gimme a few weeks and will figure it out. The unfortunate problem is that at my job I've been cut from all openstack-related activities so everything I do is (cough) supposed to be in my free time
13:12:10 <ildikov> kmARC: that's bad news :(
13:12:22 <ildikov> kmARC: thanks for still putting time and effort into it!
13:12:35 <ildikov> kmARC: and let us know if any of us can help out with anything
13:12:42 <kmARC> I'm fighting hard, no worries. And you know, there are other openstack-jobs around :-D
13:13:06 <matjazp> #info Devstack VM image for the training will be published in two phases: first just the image, built manually, and in the second step we'll automate the building process
13:13:19 <matjazp> kmARC: thats a bummer :(
13:13:20 <kmARC> 👍
13:13:22 <ildikov> kmARC: very good point! :D
13:14:36 <matjazp> anything else about Upstream?
13:14:56 <ildikov> I will send out a mail today to call for mentors or anyone who would like to help out
13:15:03 <ildikov> with the aim of meeting people at the PTG
13:15:16 <ildikov> will specify timing for the latter if we have people showing up
13:15:44 <diablo_rojo_phon> Thanks ildikov!
13:18:02 <ianychoi> ildikov, good :) Which day might be for the meeting during PTG (e.g., Monday? Tuesday)
13:19:09 <ianychoi> kmARC, that's unfortunated, but actually my case would be similar with you.. My company currently prevents me from OpenStack activities..
13:19:29 <kmARC> Let's found a startup!
13:19:35 <kmARC> fund*
13:20:01 <ianychoi> haha with good funding we can make a good startup for upstream training? :)
13:20:23 <ildikov> ianychoi: I would think of more the middle or second half of the week
13:20:41 <ildikov> ianychoi: I will try to convince people on site as I have a feeling that will be needed... :)
13:21:05 <ianychoi> ildikov, yep I see :)
13:22:11 <ianychoi> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike
13:22:35 <matjazp> is everything we talked about changing about last Upstream training entered as bugs?
13:22:53 <ildikov> ianychoi: are you around at that time?
13:22:54 <ianychoi> Just note that there will be docs + i18n room during PTG. If there are some topic for upstream training with docs team, it might be good to discuss there
13:23:09 <ianychoi> ildikov, yep I will mainly stay at this room
13:23:33 <ildikov> matjazp: I submitted one umbrella for the duplications, but we might end up evolving the content a bit more anyhow, so that's not the highest priority currently
13:23:54 <ildikov> ianychoi: sounds great, thanks
13:24:22 <matjazp> ildikov: maybe it would make sense if we entered more tasks as bugs so we can get more contributors?
13:25:00 <matjazp> maybe someone would like to help, but doesnt know what to work on
13:25:17 <ianychoi> matjazp, I think it is a good idea :)
13:25:23 <ildikov> matjazp: I have any etherpad for collecting exercise ideas on top of what we have already
13:25:35 <ildikov> matjazp: we can either add that to a bug report or just point people there
13:25:50 <ildikov> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upstream-training-exercises
13:25:51 <ianychoi> ildikov, you're welcome. I hope to see you and diablo_rojo_phon during PTG (I am not sure whether kmARC will also attend to PTG or not. Will you go to PTG?)
13:26:18 <matjazp> ildikov: I7m not sure what gets greater vidibility - etherpads or bug reports? I would guess bugs are more standardized in other projects?
13:26:33 <kmARC> ianychoi: I got the ticket however because of the circumstances I cancelled the trip last week
13:27:00 <diablo_rojo_phon> Yep I'll be there
13:27:01 <ildikov> matjazp: I think currently the bigger problem is that people are less interested in training activities rather than where to find the info
13:27:42 <ianychoi> kmARC, oh that's a pity.. I got it
13:27:47 <ildikov> matjazp: so a bit of marketing activities will be needed regardless of where the info is
13:27:48 <ianychoi> I am sorry to hear that..
13:27:49 <ildikov> kmARC: :(
13:28:06 <matjazp> ildikov: maybe we should be keeping a smal list of low-hanging-fruit tasks to encourage contribution to our project?
13:28:18 <kmARC> yeah, I'm extremely sorry guys. Will try my best to boston
13:29:31 <ildikov> matjazp: I was thinking about chatting with a few PTLs to highlight the importance of this activity for instance
13:30:10 <matjazp> kmARC: that's too bad. I have the same problem - and I don't event know if I can be at Boston Summit.. there's also an added cost of a Ticket that you get for free now only if you participate on PTG
13:30:13 <ildikov> I'm less sure at this point what would count here as low-hanging-fruit bug considering the creative nature of our activities here :)
13:30:19 <matjazp> ildikov: that would be great!
13:30:20 <diablo_rojo_phon> kmARC: we'll need you there for the training ;)
13:31:02 <kmARC> haha, thanks for all the simpathy, It makes my day :-)
13:31:12 <ianychoi> kmARC, yes. I now want to use your training environment on local upstream training which will be held on next month.
13:31:51 <kmARC> sure, do it! If you have any questins you can reach out to me here/mail any time
13:31:54 <matjazp> ildikov: it could be anything, we just want someone that is ready to help to just connect with us and work with us... sometimes a clear (easy achievable) goal helps in volunteering
13:32:37 <ildikov> matjazp: I got the point, I just don't have an item like that in my head at the moment :)
13:33:07 <ildikov> matjazp: but will think about what could be a low-hanging-fruit task in case we have people to point there
13:33:46 <matjazp> ildikov: great, thanks
13:34:32 <ianychoi> In Korea, I have been leading a study which goal is to study upstream training materials to become mentors for our local upstream training. Although language barrier is another problem for this thing, I would like to discuss contribution on upstream training materials with those local mentors
13:35:24 <matjazp> ianychoi: isn't there a Korean trainslation?
13:36:43 <matjazp> trainslation=translation
13:36:54 <ianychoi> matjazp, there are translators :) The goal of local upstream training is for upstream contribution but I also say translations, since translation contribution would be also important for local people
13:37:24 <ianychoi> For example, today, I have been explaining documentation contribution - finding typos :)
13:39:17 <matjazp> ianychoi: great, just send them in our direction too ;)
13:39:35 <matjazp> ianychoi: more eyes on content can be only a good thing
13:39:42 <ildikov> ianychoi: haha, typos are endless source of low-hanging-fruit activity :)
13:39:53 <ildikov> matjazp: +1
13:40:07 <ianychoi> matjazp, ildikov yep thanks :)
13:40:09 <matjazp> ildikov: yes they are, but nevertheless it engages a person to start contributing
13:40:34 <ildikov> yep :)
13:40:53 <matjazp> hmm.. maybe we should make more typos in our materisl :)
13:41:01 <ianychoi> haha
13:41:29 <ildikov> I think I usually do my part in that :D
13:41:31 * matjazp wrote "materisl" on purpose ;)
13:42:21 <ildikov> matjazp: haha, my brain fixed the issue on the fly I didn't even recognize :D
13:43:07 <matjazp> anything else regarding Upstream or do we switch to AOB?
13:43:31 <ildikov> I don't have more items for today
13:43:37 <ianychoi> Nope more me
13:43:44 <matjazp> #topic any other business
13:43:59 <matjazp> anything left to discuss for today?
13:46:00 <ianychoi> Hmm, nothing from me now
13:46:52 <asettle> DAMNT
13:46:55 <asettle> I was meant to come into this meeting
13:47:00 <ianychoi> asettle, hi!
13:47:03 <asettle> Sorry training team
13:47:10 <asettle> I went to go eat a very disappointing salad for lunch
13:47:22 <ianychoi> Wow welcome here, docs core!
13:47:23 <matjazp> if not, thanks for your time
13:47:23 <matjazp> see you in 2 weeks
13:47:23 <asettle> Hey ianychoi !
13:47:33 <asettle> matjazp: I wanted to check in to see who was coming to the PTG from teh training team? :)
13:47:37 <matjazp> hi asettle
13:47:39 <asettle> o/
13:47:54 <matjazp> ildikov, diablo_rojo_phon and ianychoi
13:48:13 <ildikov> asettle: hi :)
13:48:16 <asettle> matjazp: wonderful, are you guys joining us in the docs room? or elsewhere?
13:48:18 <asettle> Hey ildikov !
13:48:20 <matjazp> me and kmARC  can't come :(
13:48:40 <ildikov> asettle: we are a little bit under organized at this pint
13:48:45 <ildikov> s/pint/point/
13:49:01 <asettle> ildikov: well, we have our etherpad that is joint with i18n if you would also like to join on that party: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/docs-i18n-ptg-pike
13:49:11 <ildikov> asettle: I'm trying to do some marketing to recruit a few more people to help out with the training
13:49:21 <ildikov> asettle: thank you!
13:49:23 <asettle> ildikov: how is that going? Do you require any help?
13:49:26 <matjazp> ildikov: no, just leave it to pint and we can go and have a beer ;)
13:49:35 <asettle> matjazp: hahhaha "what did you guys do at the PTG?"
13:49:43 <ildikov> matjazp: a bit early for that, but well :)
13:50:00 <matjazp> ildikov: I'm just back from Ireland so I disagree ;)
13:50:17 <asettle> ildikov: is your team going to be in a separate room from docs?
13:50:30 <asettle> s/your/the training team
13:50:37 <ildikov> asettle: I'm good at this point, will send out a call for people mail today and try to chat with a few people before and during the PTG
13:50:43 <ildikov> asettle: we will see how it goes :)
13:50:58 <ildikov> matjazp: I love Ireland! :)
13:51:14 <asettle> Okay, well, ping if you need :) I was just looking at it today and saw your call for a meeting so I thought I'd pop my head in.
13:51:37 <ildikov> asettle: if we have many people around it can make sense to be in a separate one, otherwise we might ask for a corner in yours :)
13:52:12 <ianychoi> asettle, would there be something to be discussed with specialty teams?
13:52:20 <ildikov> asettle: appreciated :)
13:52:21 <asettle> Not a problem ildikov :) if you end up coming as a small group - send an email or a ping on IRC
13:52:42 <asettle> ianychoi:  yes, hopefully. At the moment I'm unopposed for PTL for docs. But regardless, I want to chat with the specialty team leads about some things.
13:52:50 <ildikov> asettle: sure, I will ping you before just to give a brief update on where we are so we're in sync :)
13:53:15 <asettle> That would be great :) thanks ildikov
13:53:32 <ianychoi> asettle, yep I think the direction is so nice! :)
13:53:39 <ildikov> asettle: sure, np :)
13:53:52 <asettle> Terrific. Thanks for having me at the end of the meeting guys :) glad I caught you all just in time.
13:54:10 <ildikov> asettle: perfect timing I would say :)
13:54:11 <ianychoi> :) Thanks a lot for today coming!
13:54:35 <matjazp> asettle: thanks, please do drop more often
13:54:49 <asettle> I will! I live in a more appropriate timezone these days :D
13:55:30 <ildikov> asettle: what counts as more appropriate?
13:55:44 <asettle> I live in London, not in Australia :P people now are awake when I am awake.
13:55:58 <asettle> not in Australia anymore* (I used to)
13:56:04 <ildikov> asettle: haha, that's nice :)
13:56:20 <asettle> It is nice! People are available to work when you are available! How exciting! :p
13:56:58 <ildikov> most of the people with whom I work are in the US, I know how tough TZ difference can be... :)
13:57:16 <asettle> It can be very frustrating :( but! Nice for diversity :)
13:57:32 <ildikov> so welcome in our TZ :)
13:57:49 <ildikov> yep, for sure, I like my evening working hours, so all good
13:57:49 <ianychoi> I am always trying to overcome the TZ but yes so difficult T.T
13:57:53 <ildikov> I have the day for myself :)
13:58:01 <asettle> ianychoi: you are in Korea, no?
13:58:12 <ianychoi> asettle, yep Korea!
13:58:16 <matjazp> 2 min left
13:58:24 <ianychoi> Similar timezone as AU :)
13:58:29 <asettle> Hahah sorry matjazp I hijacked the meeting
13:58:32 <asettle> ianychoi: you are awake late!
13:58:43 <ianychoi> This meeting time is late but the best for me :)
13:58:46 <matjazp> too bad, this aob got so lively in the last few moments (thanks asettle )
13:59:04 <asettle> Hahahaha it's what I do!
13:59:21 <ianychoi> asettle, yep late and wonderful timezone to meet with all :)
13:59:31 <matjazp> ok, hard deadline on 30 sc
13:59:38 <matjazp> see you all in 2 weeks
13:59:39 <asettle> HAHAH okay matjazp o/
13:59:41 <ianychoi> Thanks all for today :)
13:59:44 <asettle> Adios! Have a great day/night people!
13:59:47 <kmARC> bye
13:59:47 <asettle> THanks for welcoming me :)
13:59:52 <ianychoi> Have a great day all!
13:59:52 <ildikov> thanks everyone!
13:59:59 <matjazp> #endmeeting