20:01:00 <sarob> #startmeeting training-manuals 20:01:01 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Jul 29 20:01:00 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is sarob. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:02 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:01:04 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' 20:01:36 <colinmcnamara> sarob: hello? 20:01:37 <sarob> Just started, right on time 20:01:42 <colinmcnamara> perfect 20:02:16 <sarob> I'm going to run down the agenda unless you have something else 20:02:38 <colinmcnamara> i'm good with you running down the agenda. I have nothing else 20:02:51 <sarob> #topic update on getting training published to docs.openstack.org 20:03:28 <colinmcnamara> so, still in progress 20:03:43 <colinmcnamara> I was reading through the jenkins documentation on ci.openstack.org 20:04:02 <colinmcnamara> there is a statement that a release has to be tagged for jenkins/zuul to copy the docs to the site 20:04:26 <colinmcnamara> however, in github there are only releases for major releases (folsom, grizzly, etc) 20:04:52 <colinmcnamara> relevant doc - release section - http://ci.openstack.org/zuul.html#zuul 20:05:00 <sarob> Infra irc channel any help? 20:05:10 <colinmcnamara> that is my next step 20:05:24 <sarob> Sounds good 20:05:51 <colinmcnamara> also to monitor logstash.openstack.org during the next merge 20:05:55 <colinmcnamara> to see what gets pushed where 20:07:35 <sarob> Good idea 20:07:45 <sarob> Move on? 20:07:58 <colinmcnamara> agreed 20:08:29 <sarob> #topic update on contribution levels publish 20:08:48 <sarob> I will write this up today 20:09:37 <colinmcnamara> core / community / others? 20:09:53 <sarob> Right 20:10:26 <sarob> #action sarob write up contribution levels on wiki 20:11:02 <sarob> Moving on 20:11:16 <sarob> #action update on xi:include xpointer 20:11:25 <sarob> Crap 20:11:36 <sarob> #topic update on xi:include xpointer 20:12:47 <sarob> It looks like the content that xpath walks through using xpointer needs to have a structure defined 20:13:11 <colinmcnamara> in the XML, or in the pom.xml file? 20:13:11 <sarob> With DTD or XMLschema namespace 20:13:22 <colinmcnamara> as in an import statement 20:13:36 <sarob> In the XML that is being pointed to 20:14:04 <colinmcnamara> so, each item that we are pointing to needs to have an update to succesfuly import it into openstack-training? 20:14:06 <sarob> Which could mean all source XML would have to be modified 20:14:22 <sarob> Right 20:14:26 <colinmcnamara> sounds like that makes identifying the source docs in the users stories doubly important 20:14:34 <colinmcnamara> as well as submitting bugs for each one 20:14:45 <colinmcnamara> do you think this is something that we should also raise up to Anne? 20:14:50 <sarob> I'm going to run some tests this afternoon to verify 20:14:55 <sarob> Maybe 20:15:49 <sarob> I need to get some feedback from someone that has experience with xpath before I go to Anne 20:16:16 <colinmcnamara> I saw the response on the mailing list 20:16:34 <colinmcnamara> is this something that we should be pulling from the external community on? 20:17:17 <sarob> Yup, cause I'd like bypass using namespaces if possible 20:17:32 <sarob> Heavyweight for what we are doing 20:18:05 <colinmcnamara> any open source communities that impliment something like this? 20:18:09 <colinmcnamara> we could phone a friend 20:18:20 <colinmcnamara> or people within Yahoo, PayPal, Apple, etc? 20:18:33 <sarob> #action sarob test and report xpath options 20:18:50 <sarob> I'm going to try yahoo int next 20:19:25 <sarob> Need to find an XML user group next 20:19:33 <colinmcnamara> good idea 20:19:41 <colinmcnamara> possibly java users too 20:19:51 <colinmcnamara> since mvn is key to dependancy management in Java 20:20:08 <colinmcnamara> any java / xml FOSS projects we can leverage experience on, maybe pop over to their IRC? 20:20:08 <sarob> Moving on? 20:20:11 <colinmcnamara> Moving on 20:20:42 <sarob> #topic doc-core team members update 20:21:11 <sarob> I haven't worked on getting anyone yet 20:21:25 <sarob> How bout you 20:21:42 <colinmcnamara> I've reached out to Mestery and Shannon Mcfaarland 20:21:52 <colinmcnamara> mcfarland was on holiday, just got back in 20:21:57 <colinmcnamara> mestery was in a sprint 20:22:03 <colinmcnamara> I need to get commitments this week 20:22:59 <sarob> I'm going to troll doc-core 20:23:08 <colinmcnamara> thats smart, get a guru 20:23:18 <colinmcnamara> what was our target membership for Core? 8 right?> 20:23:19 <colinmcnamara> ? 20:23:57 <sarob> I was shooting for 10, thinking we would get half true partipation 20:24:07 <colinmcnamara> ahh cool 20:24:11 <colinmcnamara> then I'll reach out to Cody too 20:24:17 <colinmcnamara> at rackspace 20:24:24 <colinmcnamara> he is working on a couch to openstack program 20:24:26 <colinmcnamara> could tie in 20:24:34 <colinmcnamara> + published the openstack ops guide 20:24:41 <sarob> Sounds good 20:24:59 <colinmcnamara> trying to go after a mix of operators / vendors 20:25:06 <colinmcnamara> I'd love to get Vinay in 20:25:11 <sarob> Ideally 20:25:13 <colinmcnamara> though, he is swamped with PayPal stuff 20:25:20 <sarob> Good mix 20:25:21 <colinmcnamara> maybe you can put a little pressure too 20:25:36 <sarob> Most important firm commitment 20:25:41 <colinmcnamara> agreed 20:25:46 <colinmcnamara> I have lunch at Apple this week btw 20:25:55 <colinmcnamara> I'm going to bring this up with the guys there 20:25:56 <sarob> cool 20:26:18 <sarob> At least get them to use would be good 20:26:22 <colinmcnamara> yup 20:26:36 <colinmcnamara> i'm working on recruiting both Core, as well as community to create / review / etc 20:26:42 <sarob> I gots nothing else 20:26:55 <sarob> Cool 20:26:56 <colinmcnamara> I would be happy to see some of the beta sessions delivered to a mix of operators 20:27:18 <colinmcnamara> I can take a couple days away from my day job to help facilitate 20:27:51 <sarob> Once we get the content out there. I want to blast the community list and user groups for participation. 20:28:03 <sarob> So close 20:28:11 <colinmcnamara> I think we will still have to structure a couple of beta's for instructor delivered content 20:28:22 <colinmcnamara> to kick start a bug squash 20:28:50 <sarob> Lets start brainstorming on that 20:29:10 <colinmcnamara> #action rough out beta format 20:29:12 <sarob> Want to assign an action to yourself? 20:29:18 <sarob> Sweet 20:29:20 <colinmcnamara> sorry, wanted to try the command ;) 20:29:28 <sarob> np 20:29:30 <colinmcnamara> #action rough out beta format : colinmcnamara 20:30:04 <sarob> If nothing else. I'm going run. 20:30:34 <colinmcnamara> one thing 20:30:39 <colinmcnamara> the HP instructor in SF openstack 20:30:54 <colinmcnamara> he may have some good idea's on the beta structure 20:31:01 <colinmcnamara> as well as my friend Joe 20:31:07 <colinmcnamara> he was the CTO of firefly 20:31:14 <sarob> Sure, lets socialize 20:31:19 <colinmcnamara> training.. I am going to start pulling in idea's 20:31:34 <colinmcnamara> other then that, I am find to adjourn 20:32:10 <sarob> Cheers! 20:32:17 <colinmcnamara> Cheers! 20:32:20 <sarob> #endmeeting