20:00:57 <sarob> #startmeeting training-manuals
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20:01:02 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals'
20:01:14 <sarob> roll call
20:02:57 <colinmcnamara> Colin Present
20:03:59 <sarob> im thinking that we go ahead, open and close this one down, reopen for 7pm tues as planned
20:04:06 <sarob> since we are the only ones here
20:04:18 <colinmcnamara> I second that
20:04:27 <sarob> righto
20:04:29 <colinmcnamara> 7PM Tuesday evening PDT it is
20:04:38 <sarob> best meeting all day ;)
20:04:40 <colinmcnamara> so, positve note
20:04:47 <colinmcnamara> well, negative and positive note
20:05:08 <colinmcnamara> so, last time I covered the burn down chart, with a late oct end date
20:05:13 <colinmcnamara> I had the dates wrong, it was mid december
20:05:15 <colinmcnamara> but
20:05:15 <sarob> yeeees
20:05:33 <colinmcnamara> so, with the focus on increased activity
20:05:37 <colinmcnamara> and increasing the cards per day
20:05:41 * sarob fans himself to not pass out
20:05:43 <colinmcnamara> even with adding of 8 new cards this week
20:05:56 <colinmcnamara> the estimated end date is mid november now
20:05:59 <colinmcnamara> which is a great sign
20:06:08 <colinmcnamara> (estinated via a rolling average of cards burned)
20:06:13 <colinmcnamara> so, that is really really positve
20:06:19 <sarob> ill pump out all of the roles cards this week
20:06:33 <colinmcnamara> so, one thing that we should probably do
20:06:34 <sarob> if we can figure out the rst to xml
20:06:36 <sarob> thing
20:06:38 <colinmcnamara> is put them in the backlog
20:06:52 <colinmcnamara> and then agree to move cards into this sprints backlog
20:06:56 <colinmcnamara> formally
20:07:03 <sarob> which?
20:07:09 <colinmcnamara> so, 8 new cards got created
20:07:23 <colinmcnamara> just being properly scrumy
20:07:30 <sarob> pranav cards?
20:07:35 <colinmcnamara> umm not sure
20:07:43 <colinmcnamara> just saying, when new work gets added to a a sprint
20:07:55 <sarob> right understand
20:08:04 <colinmcnamara> the best process is to add them to  the backlog, and then figure out whether they are appropriate for this time box
20:08:12 <colinmcnamara> just trying to maintain velocity
20:08:18 <sarob> yup
20:08:36 <sarob> burndown to meet the x axis good
20:08:41 <colinmcnamara> yup
20:08:49 <colinmcnamara> and then we initiate the next sprint
20:08:57 <sarob> any ideas on rst to xml?
20:09:11 <colinmcnamara> I'v been on the road for the past 4 days. got home last night
20:09:16 <sarob> docbook generation of xml sounded promising
20:09:21 <sarob> got it
20:09:30 <colinmcnamara> there are a couple tools that I have been playing with
20:09:31 <colinmcnamara> pandoc
20:09:33 <colinmcnamara> one java one
20:09:43 <colinmcnamara> trying to find the optimal way
20:09:47 <colinmcnamara> while knocking out cards
20:09:57 <colinmcnamara> trying to focus on knocking out 2 cards a day
20:10:04 <colinmcnamara> I figure if each of us can do that
20:10:10 <colinmcnamara> we can get massive shit done
20:10:29 <sarob> so what is the current best way to get dev content into training guides?
20:10:39 <sarob> scrape for now?
20:11:00 <sarob> then include when possible?
20:12:40 <colinmcnamara> umm.
20:12:47 <colinmcnamara> I have pandoc working
20:12:54 <colinmcnamara> well, halfway working
20:13:08 <colinmcnamara> I can do a one time push form dev docs to xml / docbooks 4.5
20:13:08 <sarob> rst in, xml out?
20:13:11 <colinmcnamara> yeah
20:13:24 <sarob> good with me
20:13:33 <colinmcnamara> yeah, I'm probably 75% there
20:13:53 <sarob> source in training-guide/source/nova-dev...
20:14:52 <colinmcnamara> yeah, again
20:14:54 <colinmcnamara> 75% there
20:15:05 <colinmcnamara> the pandoc tool is creating docbook 4.5 code
20:15:18 <colinmcnamara> isn't nesting everything, so you end up with imporperly formed XML in oxygen
20:15:23 <colinmcnamara> not sure it is the perfect way
20:15:35 <sarob> better than scraping?
20:15:42 <colinmcnamara> yes..
20:15:45 <colinmcnamara> again, 75% there
20:15:56 <colinmcnamara> we still have a bunch of xi:include files
20:16:00 <colinmcnamara> to be done
20:16:03 <colinmcnamara> I'd like to do it right
20:16:05 <colinmcnamara> vs doing it over
20:16:45 <sarob> fixing can be a future sprint bug
20:16:52 <colinmcnamara> yup
20:16:54 <colinmcnamara> still
20:16:56 <sarob> we need to get a product out the door
20:17:10 <colinmcnamara> I agree, but we have to be careful about creating a technical debt
20:17:35 <sarob> if i can munge the docbook 4.5 xml in a repeatable way, that doable
20:18:04 <colinmcnamara> again, the last 25% is still to be one
20:18:05 <colinmcnamara> done
20:18:09 <colinmcnamara> but once that is worked out
20:18:12 <sarob> is dcramer around?
20:18:30 <colinmcnamara> not sure, this is my first day back in the office
20:18:34 <colinmcnamara> i'm juggling a bit
20:18:38 <sarob> no prob
20:18:48 <sarob> what can i do to help with pandoc?
20:19:03 <colinmcnamara> try experimenting with the rst-docbooks
20:19:14 <colinmcnamara> and see if you can get the generated XML to properly xi:include
20:19:15 <sarob> got any notes?
20:19:25 <colinmcnamara> let me check
20:19:34 <sarob> dump that into etherpad if you do
20:19:46 <colinmcnamara> https://www.evernote.com/shard/s5/sh/05b183ba-1944-4b6a-8b14-f1f0d69577e1/f4c4f44c240e679a34af30a631dac246
20:19:56 <colinmcnamara> really rought
20:19:58 <colinmcnamara> rough
20:20:01 <sarob> got it, fine
20:20:09 <sarob> ill start here
20:20:12 <colinmcnamara> pandoc is part of docutils
20:20:42 <sarob> agreed to dump the xml source under /training-guide/sources/?
20:20:43 <colinmcnamara> I was experimenting with futzing with the header
20:20:55 <sarob> xml output rather
20:21:10 <colinmcnamara> well, it can output raw xml or docbook
20:21:32 <colinmcnamara> docbook keeps the images included
20:21:34 <colinmcnamara> which is good
20:21:41 <sarob> well docbook xml is what i meant
20:21:57 <colinmcnamara> the other way i was thinking
20:21:59 <colinmcnamara> which may be better
20:22:06 <colinmcnamara> is to figure out how to xi:include html
20:22:20 <colinmcnamara> pointing to the h[1-3] tags
20:22:23 <colinmcnamara> as sections
20:22:31 <colinmcnamara> I think both are possible
20:22:36 <colinmcnamara> that btw, is why I said 75%
20:22:48 <sarob> i can write some python or bash to automagically fix
20:22:58 <colinmcnamara> I was trying to manually fix first
20:23:04 <colinmcnamara> again, 75%
20:23:36 <sarob> do a quick brain dump to your note and I will work on it today
20:24:11 <sarob> i have to run, gots a few things to take care of, i set aside an hour to focus on this
20:24:30 <sarob> then dinner movie with the wife
20:24:32 <colinmcnamara> nice
20:24:34 <colinmcnamara> smart move
20:24:45 <colinmcnamara> mine leaves town at 6am tomorrow
20:24:45 <rev> g'day sarob and colinmcnamara
20:24:53 <colinmcnamara> hey rev
20:25:00 <sarob> yoyo rev
20:25:13 <rev> ohai
20:26:06 <sarob> gots to close this out. next meeting at 7pm tuesday.
20:26:21 <sarob> #endmeeting