14:02:00 <colinmcnamara> #startmeeting training-manuals
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14:02:05 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals'
14:03:12 <colinmcnamara> lets give a few minutes for sean and prahnav
14:04:50 <colinmcnamara> good to see you threon
14:05:26 <colinmcnamara> we are waiting for sean and prahnav. I'm giving them a couple minutes (we just changed the meeting time, and there may be some confusion)
14:06:22 <colinmcnamara> ok, time to be a schedule Nazi, starting the meeting
14:06:24 <colinmcnamara> Roll Call
14:06:46 <colinmcnamara> Who is attending, chime in with #info and your name attending
14:06:52 <colinmcnamara> #info colin attending
14:07:25 <alagalah> #info alagalah attending
14:07:36 <colinmcnamara> Theron, did I see you logged in?
14:08:05 <colinmcnamara> Ok, Sean and Prahnav aren't here :/
14:08:14 <colinmcnamara> I'm going to run down the items
14:08:28 <colinmcnamara> so at least they are logged. And then follow up with Sean and Prahnav later
14:08:36 <colinmcnamara> #topic proposed topics
14:08:47 <colinmcnamara> 1. Progress
14:08:51 <colinmcnamara> 2. Blocking Items
14:08:56 <colinmcnamara> 3. Focus work for next week
14:09:02 <colinmcnamara> any other proposed items?
14:09:35 <colinmcnamara> Keith?
14:10:01 <colinmcnamara> Ok, moving on to topic 1, progress
14:10:05 <colinmcnamara> #topic progress
14:10:29 <colinmcnamara> There was quite a lot of work done last week
14:10:31 <alagalah> Hi, sorry was reading the wiki
14:10:38 <colinmcnamara> no worries
14:10:42 <theron_> #info theron attending
14:10:49 <colinmcnamara> hello threon
14:10:52 <alagalah> Is there a run down on the new XML include format in an etherpad somewhere?
14:10:53 <colinmcnamara> theron
14:11:12 <colinmcnamara> #topic - proposed topics
14:11:37 <colinmcnamara> 1. Progress
14:11:37 <colinmcnamara> 2. Blocking Items
14:11:37 <colinmcnamara> 3. Focus work for next week
14:11:50 <colinmcnamara> any other topics that would like to be added to the list for discussion?
14:12:04 <colinmcnamara> alagalah: it sounds like you want to discus xml include location?
14:12:27 <colinmcnamara> Theron: any topics that you want to add to the list to discuss?
14:12:35 <alagalah> Yes please, and also (I was waiting for blocking) how to include content that I don't think appears in the XML docs
14:12:54 <theron> colinmcnamara, not today.  I'm in watch and learn mode today.
14:13:10 <colinmcnamara> ok, adding xml include location in wiki / and including non xml content to the topic list
14:13:15 <alagalah> i.e. how would I include content for card018 from http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/
14:13:36 <colinmcnamara> Topics
14:13:36 <colinmcnamara> Progress
14:13:36 <colinmcnamara> Blocking Items
14:13:37 <colinmcnamara> Focus work for next week
14:13:39 <colinmcnamara> xml include location
14:13:41 <colinmcnamara> including non xml content
14:13:46 <colinmcnamara> sounds good. let's hit them in order
14:13:53 <colinmcnamara> #topic progress
14:13:53 <alagalah> #aqgree
14:14:02 <alagalah> #agree
14:14:15 <alagalah> #agreed
14:14:18 <alagalah> 3rd times the charm
14:14:29 <colinmcnamara> Most of the progress this week has been accomplished by Prahnav
14:14:44 <colinmcnamara> though his work is waiting to be merged. Let me dig up the repo he is working in
14:15:24 <colinmcnamara> #info - aptira repo location - https://github.com/aptira/openstack-training-labs
14:16:10 <colinmcnamara> he is teaching a class in india this week, but churned out a serious amount of scripts for base configuration, to assist in in person training
14:16:45 <colinmcnamara> also, the CTO of Aptira Sean and I met last week, and we are getting access to the indian user groups (1500 employees)
14:16:51 <colinmcnamara> errr 1500 people
14:17:10 <colinmcnamara> other then that, work inside the training-manuals repo has been very light, only one card completed
14:17:25 <colinmcnamara> Total Cards: 	135
14:17:25 <colinmcnamara> Remaining Cards: 	75
14:17:25 <colinmcnamara> Done Cards: 	60
14:17:26 <colinmcnamara> Percent of cards done: 	44.44%
14:17:28 <colinmcnamara> Hours at start: 	80
14:17:30 <colinmcnamara> Hours est total: 	135
14:17:32 <colinmcnamara> Hours remaining: 	75
14:17:34 <colinmcnamara> Hours done: 	60
14:17:36 <colinmcnamara> Percent of hours done: 	44.44%
14:17:38 <colinmcnamara> ----	----
14:17:40 <colinmcnamara> Days Elapsed 	61
14:17:42 <colinmcnamara> Daily Burndown 	0.98
14:17:44 <colinmcnamara> Est. Days Left 	76
14:17:46 <colinmcnamara> Est. Completion Date 	12/16/13
14:17:48 <colinmcnamara> https://BurndownForTrello.com/share/9c3rfd2fu9
14:18:02 <colinmcnamara> This puts our estimated completion date at 12/16.
14:18:29 <colinmcnamara> to continue to bring that date in, we need to focus on getting our average cards per contributor to 4 a week
14:18:35 <colinmcnamara> any discussion about progress?
14:19:17 <alagalah> I can do that, it's process that's holding me up
14:19:43 <colinmcnamara> so, lets make a target to coach you on progress
14:19:57 <colinmcnamara> I'm working out of the san jose office on Thursday. (offsite for lunch)
14:20:16 <colinmcnamara> if you want to also work out of that office, we can coach you through the process
14:20:21 <colinmcnamara> maybe do a screencast
14:20:31 <alagalah> That's perfect, I'm in meetings in the general locale, and plan to be in the office that afternoon before the meetup
14:20:34 <colinmcnamara> ok
14:20:40 <colinmcnamara> #topic blocking items
14:21:03 <colinmcnamara> The biggest blocking item that I see is conversion of restructuredText (rst) to docbook XML
14:21:18 <colinmcnamara> this ties into alagalah's proposed topic of how to import dev  docs
14:22:01 <alagalah> Would it be useful to use the above URL I messaged as a reference?
14:22:12 <alagalah> And  card018? Or shall we table specifics until our 1:1 ?
14:22:34 <colinmcnamara> Sean and I agreed that if there was no progress on a conversion tool by Thursday, that we would copy content directly into xml sections of training-manuals
14:22:51 <colinmcnamara> let's keep discussions in the channel
14:23:20 <alagalah> Ok, so let's look at https://trello.com/c/Sid6xiQu/18-as-an-associate-trainee-i-need-to-be-able-to-understand-the-role-of-openstack-identity-service-in-the-controller-node
14:23:48 <colinmcnamara> so, I'm assuming you found relevant docs in the dev docs tree
14:23:54 <colinmcnamara> outside of the repo, correct?
14:23:55 <alagalah> Most of the XML based docs are great on the install side, and I'm having trouble finding descriptive content for the "role" based cards
14:24:06 <colinmcnamara> most of that is in developers docs
14:24:15 <alagalah> http://docs.openstack.org/developer/keystone/ and http://docs.openstack.org/api/openstack-identity-service/2.0/content/
14:24:19 <colinmcnamara> exactly
14:24:39 <colinmcnamara> my proposal is to continue work the translation tool. with a cut off of thursday at the meetup
14:24:41 <alagalah> So I should plan to copy/paste into a card018 file and move from there
14:24:49 <alagalah> #agreed
14:24:52 <colinmcnamara> if we can't finish the conversion tool by thursday
14:24:56 <alagalah> I have another question then.
14:24:59 <colinmcnamara> then we need to create a sub section / article file
14:25:05 <colinmcnamara> with the copied text / content
14:25:09 <colinmcnamara> and include that into the card file
14:25:40 <alagalah> It seems we have changed card naming convention from cardxxx.xml to cardxxx-descriptivetext.xml ... is this something we should continue?
14:25:46 <colinmcnamara> basically need to easily see the difference between included information from source docs, vs copied in
14:26:00 <colinmcnamara> yes, cardxxx-description.xml
14:26:25 <alagalah> Can you cite a card example that uses the "(07:24:59 AM) colinmcnamara: then we need to create a sub section / article file
14:26:26 <alagalah> (07:25:04 AM) colinmcnamara: with the copied text / content
14:26:26 <alagalah> (07:25:09 AM) colinmcnamara: and include that into the card file"
14:26:40 <alagalah> So I can use it as a "template" of sorts
14:27:19 <colinmcnamara> #action if we can't get the rst conversion process down by Thursday evening then I will check in an example file with that structure
14:27:31 <colinmcnamara> #action colinmcnamara if we can't get the rst conversion process down by Thursday evening then I will check in an example file with that structure
14:28:00 <colinmcnamara> that make sense?
14:28:09 <alagalah> #agreed
14:28:41 <colinmcnamara> so, after you get the process down. If you could coach Sam and Cindy through the process and try to get them contributing 1-2 cards a week
14:28:46 <colinmcnamara> I think that would be a huge help
14:29:17 <colinmcnamara> Cindy's goal is to get contributing to Neutron also, which I think aligns with your goals alagalah
14:29:22 <alagalah> Yes
14:29:29 <colinmcnamara> cool
14:29:41 <colinmcnamara> that ends our active topics.
14:29:45 <alagalah> Well, more python based contribution yes
14:29:46 <colinmcnamara> #topic any other business?
14:30:12 <alagalah> I think it may be useful to "ratify" (?) the various etherpads
14:30:18 <colinmcnamara> ?
14:30:23 <colinmcnamara> can you explain
14:30:36 <colinmcnamara> or, expand on that statement
14:30:55 <alagalah> Maybe it's just me but I find it hard to find process information from the various etherpads, it seems some are linked to others and you have to do a tree walk ... e.g.
14:31:55 <colinmcnamara> etherpads are great for informal discussion and alignment
14:32:05 <colinmcnamara> but stuff that persists needs to make it into the wiki
14:32:19 <colinmcnamara> change control alone on etherpad is lacking (anyone can delete anything)
14:32:46 <alagalah> I see, ok thanks that helps.
14:32:59 <colinmcnamara> so, if there is content that you find valuable
14:33:06 <alagalah> https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Training-manuals ?
14:33:20 <colinmcnamara> yes
14:33:28 <alagalah> Perfect, thanks
14:33:40 <colinmcnamara> if there is info that is valuable, find the appropriate section, or add it
14:33:44 <colinmcnamara> and get it into the wiki
14:33:49 <alagalah> Ack
14:33:54 <alagalah> #agreed
14:33:57 <colinmcnamara> I agree that etherpad sprawl is a limiter for a new commiter
14:34:15 <alagalah> Use Trello to document any ideas for the wiki ?
14:34:34 <colinmcnamara> ummm
14:34:36 <colinmcnamara> good question
14:34:42 <alagalah> That way someone else can take the work on or comment on it
14:34:54 <alagalah> Or you can come up with something you want done and delegate it etc
14:34:55 <colinmcnamara> ideally yes
14:35:00 <colinmcnamara> so we can track the work
14:35:04 <colinmcnamara> it will show up in the burn down chart
14:35:05 <alagalah> That too
14:35:29 <colinmcnamara> I do want to get a bit more strict about work showing up in the todo queue that isn't a strict priority
14:35:36 <colinmcnamara> but stuff like that is project core that needs to get done
14:35:45 <alagalah> The current labels are : Project core, Content, Graphics, (red label default), Noob contrib, Infra
14:35:46 <colinmcnamara> so, yes. throw it in the doing queue when you are doing it
14:35:56 <colinmcnamara> wiki work would be project core
14:36:05 <alagalah> ty
14:36:08 <colinmcnamara> side note, Turkeys are making a racket outside of my window
14:36:18 <colinmcnamara> makes me want to grab my bow ;)
14:36:26 <alagalah> I have Fur Elise and Moonlight Sonata playing at varying speeds :)
14:37:02 <alagalah> (mornings are the only time my daughter can practice piano regularly with the sports/homework in the evenings)
14:37:07 <colinmcnamara> awesome
14:37:10 <colinmcnamara> Any other business?
14:37:13 <alagalah> It is actually
14:37:22 <alagalah> I have none that a dose of face to face won't fix
14:37:29 <colinmcnamara> cool
14:37:36 <alagalah> Actually one more thing
14:37:40 <colinmcnamara> ok
14:38:06 <alagalah> Not openstack-training related but something I'd like to cover on Thu meetup, appropriate here ?>
14:38:14 <colinmcnamara> sure
14:38:20 <colinmcnamara> well, actually
14:38:30 <alagalah> I'd like to get started on understanding the "assign a bug" / "work a bug" process.
14:38:31 <colinmcnamara> we can talk later. this is logged so let's keep it on topic
14:38:37 <alagalah> #agreed
14:38:43 <colinmcnamara> we can cover that in a 1:1
14:38:46 <colinmcnamara> or at the meetup
14:38:54 <alagalah> Then I'm good
14:39:06 <colinmcnamara> Ok, I'll hunt sean and prahnav down, as well as document the status
14:39:10 <colinmcnamara> #endmeeting