17:10:05 <colinmcn_> #startmeeting training-manuals 17:10:06 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Jan 27 17:10:05 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is colinmcn_. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:10:07 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:10:09 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'training_manuals' 17:10:13 <colinmcn_> ok, thats better 17:10:19 <colinmcn_> attendance 17:11:01 <sarob> Can you run the meeting 17:11:04 <colinmcn_> I am 17:11:13 <sarob> Okay cool 17:11:13 <colinmcn_> was on ipad to start 17:11:23 <sarob> I'll chk in later 17:11:24 <colinmcn_> #topic current work 17:12:03 <colinmcn_> I am still work in progress for the social media action plan. 17:13:01 <colinmcn_> #topic quizes 17:14:09 <colinmcn_> dguitarbite: last meeting there was a bit of testing for the moodle ap 17:14:14 <colinmcn_> any update on status? 17:15:02 <dguitarbite> colinmcn: yes, moodle works fine, nearly ready for pushing it to infra 17:15:22 <colinmcn_> did the meeting with the infra team go off so they know it's coming? 17:15:32 <dguitarbite> I tried out Launchpad plugin, it has a few bugs, need to figure out how to do the auth 17:15:46 <dguitarbite> nope, not yet. We need to figure out how to provide login 17:15:57 <colinmcn_> #action dguitarbite figure out auth with moodle launchpad plugin 17:16:30 <colinmcn_> #info launchpad auth on moodle has to be figured out before we present to infra team 17:16:36 <dguitarbite> I meant, if Launchpad plugin does not work, how to go forward with Login and what kind of stats integration are required with OpenStack 17:17:07 <colinmcn_> depending on how close you feel you are 17:17:08 <dguitarbite> *OpenStack's existing stats 17:17:10 <colinmcn_> if it takes more then a week 17:17:20 <colinmcn_> I would say, let's reach out to infra team for guidance 17:17:34 <colinmcn_> if under a week, I would vote to go heads down and get the feature pushed out 17:17:37 <colinmcn_> and then present to them 17:17:52 <colinmcn_> whats your gut feel on effort? 17:18:41 <dguitarbite> well, sky's the limit, Moodle is really good as it has an efficient CMS eco-system built for its users 17:18:57 <colinmcn_> let me rephrase 17:19:01 <dguitarbite> ok, by next IRC meet I'll get the end result out 17:19:31 <colinmcn_> #action by next monday dguitarbite will have work estimation (go or nogo) for moodle launchpad 17:19:48 <colinmcn_> I would recommend popping onto the #openstack-infra channel 17:19:58 <colinmcn_> and asking about options 17:20:09 <colinmcn_> Jeremy, Monty and team are awesome-sauce 17:20:59 <fungi> colinmcn_: thanks! 17:21:18 <fungi> you're all welcome in there any time 17:21:32 <colinmcn_> #info infra team is the circulatory system of OpenStack ;) 17:21:47 <colinmcn_> #topic commercial training 17:21:47 <fungi> more like the digestive system, but... 17:21:50 <colinmcn_> lol 17:21:50 <dguitarbite> colinmcn_: Moodle has inbuilt auth system and uses MySQL db (and similar ones) 17:21:51 <colinmcn_> true 17:22:05 <dguitarbite> so if Launchpad is nogo then we can use the inbuilt auth system 17:22:15 <colinmcn_> #topic back to moodle auth 17:22:39 <colinmcn_> ok, well give it some time and document the options so we can have the cleanest integration 17:22:48 <dguitarbite> ok 17:22:54 <colinmcn_> #topic commercial training 17:23:22 <colinmcn_> dguitarbite: you had mentioned last week that commercial implementation of training-guides was set for next month 17:23:33 <colinmcn_> is there a specific date? 17:23:49 <dguitarbite> 1st Feb 17:24:17 <colinmcn_> #info first commercial training feb 1 2014 17:24:18 <dguitarbite> im going to two universities in India ... so we can have loads of feedback 17:24:21 <colinmcn_> so, thats 4 days 17:24:33 <dguitarbite> yep, getting training-manuals ready for it 17:24:37 <colinmcn_> do we have a survey setup to get documented feedback? 17:24:47 <colinmcn_> servey-monkey, moodle, etc? 17:24:55 <dguitarbite> none that I know of 17:25:20 <colinmcn_> was thinking there may be value in getting feedback logged programatically 17:26:21 <dguitarbite> moodle works for feedback survey but it will be a dab way to get the user feedback, how is surveymonkey? 17:26:42 <colinmcn_> yet another survey tool is what surveymonkey is 17:26:48 <dguitarbite> I like your idea of feedback 17:27:06 <colinmcn_> will the students be using moodle during the class? 17:27:29 <dguitarbite> not for this training 17:27:41 <dguitarbite> Internet is not reliable :( 17:27:49 <colinmcn_> :/ 17:28:00 <colinmcn_> so that rules out surveymonkey too 17:28:13 <dguitarbite> for survey we could make it work 17:28:18 <colinmcn_> ok 17:28:26 <colinmcn_> how many days is the class? 17:28:32 <dguitarbite> for teaching I meant, we cannot rely on internet as its supposed to be around 10 days 17:28:44 <dguitarbite> 10 days 17:28:54 <colinmcn_> how many students per class? 17:29:11 <dguitarbite> 5~7 max 17:29:20 <dguitarbite> they are Professors from the UNI 17:29:39 <colinmcn_> ok, I'll set up a survey monkey for each day 17:29:56 <colinmcn_> #action colinmcnamara sets up a surveymonkey for feb1 class 17:30:05 <dguitarbite> thanks 17:30:08 <colinmcn_> np 17:30:57 <colinmcn_> #topic any items outstanding for the class 17:31:22 <colinmcn_> are there any items that if not completed will significantly impact the delivery of the class? 17:31:28 <dguitarbite> need to discuss the format for Associate training 17:31:40 <dguitarbite> can you start the gdoc drawing? 17:31:48 <colinmcn_> link? 17:32:31 <dguitarbite> https://docs.google.com/a/aptira.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit 17:32:59 <colinmcn_> #link https://docs.google.com/drawings/d/1ju78O-PjkZIeSbpGkUndIohQeQy06QXseRPbCy2F6F8/edit 17:33:13 <colinmcn_> gdoc open 17:33:13 <dguitarbite> FYI for zooming use the zoom button on top bar instead of C^+ 17:33:46 <colinmcn_> i'm there 17:33:57 <dguitarbite> can you see the blocks selected by me ? 17:34:00 <colinmcn_> yes 17:34:12 <dguitarbite> we swapped Network Node and Compute Node 17:34:16 <colinmcn_> bk002-ch007 17:34:25 <dguitarbite> sean: said we better discuss it, is that fine? 17:34:26 <colinmcn_> #topic associate-guide format 17:34:37 <colinmcn_> yes, switching to that tpic 17:34:45 <dguitarbite> bk001-ch3 to 5 17:35:14 <colinmcn_> ok, then I don't see what you have highlight 17:35:49 <colinmcn_> got it 17:36:06 <dguitarbite> red bg 17:36:08 <dguitarbite> ok 17:36:22 <colinmcn_> so, swapping compute and network node 17:36:26 <dguitarbite> yep 17:37:05 <dguitarbite> as compute node is the shortest, we can add in post-install tasks (dashboard and CLI usage) with Compute Node 17:37:33 <colinmcn_> you feel that will improve flow and understanding? 17:37:51 <dguitarbite> a bit, yes 17:38:00 <dguitarbite> as its tough to digest Neutron 17:38:03 <colinmcn_> I vote go for it 17:38:07 <dguitarbite> so we do not mix it with anything else 17:38:14 <colinmcn_> especially since it's the associate guide 17:38:35 <dguitarbite> did the same for Operators 17:39:02 <dguitarbite> Control >> Most Services -- max time 17:39:03 <dguitarbite> Network >> Lesser than Control -- med time 17:39:16 <dguitarbite> Compute -- A few service -- Lease time 17:39:41 <colinmcn_> #info network post install tasks consolidated with compute node section 17:40:41 <colinmcn_> So, that's one critical path item 17:40:46 <colinmcn_> any other critical path items? 17:40:52 <colinmcn_> to the feb1 launc 17:40:54 <dguitarbite> nope 17:40:59 <dguitarbite> just this one 17:41:32 <colinmcn_> cool 17:41:38 <colinmcn_> #topic any other business 17:41:47 <colinmcn_> any other business to discuss? 17:41:53 <dguitarbite> any advice? 17:42:11 <dguitarbite> on training bunch of people who barely know linux :| 17:42:35 <colinmcn_> Notes, Notes, Notes 17:42:48 <colinmcn_> get the students working for you 17:42:56 <colinmcn_> ask them to take notes on things that worked, things that didn't work 17:42:56 <dguitarbite> they are Professors! 17:43:13 <colinmcn_> remember, student / teacher is a role that can be swapped 17:43:22 <colinmcn_> expert in one, novice in another 17:43:30 <colinmcn_> don't get to hung up on schedules 17:43:40 <colinmcn_> right now the schedules are estimations 17:44:15 <colinmcn_> at the beginning of the class, be sure to thank everyone for participating in something big 17:44:21 <dguitarbite> yes, I will be doing time tracking, I guess most valuable feedback 17:44:29 <colinmcn_> and call out that their feedback is critical 17:45:04 <colinmcn_> if you get them in the mindset of participating in a process 17:45:14 <colinmcn_> vs critiquing a class 17:45:20 <colinmcn_> everyone will benefit 17:45:38 <colinmcn_> oh, and make sure to be 30 min early and great everyone personally 17:45:40 <colinmcn_> ;) 17:46:07 <dguitarbite> yes sir :) never thought of that! 17:46:19 <colinmcn_> thats a great trick for building report 17:46:35 <colinmcn_> that and having everyone introduce themselves, their background and what they want to get out of the class 17:47:03 <colinmcn_> don't get to hung up on the fact that they are professors. They are just people, like you and I 17:47:20 <colinmcn_> and don't forget to sleep 17:47:21 <colinmcn_> ;) 17:48:01 <dguitarbite> no ofcourse, I dont discriminate, its fun to learn from their experience too. 17:48:26 <colinmcn_> yup. they are people too. and have lots of great feedback on the educational process 17:48:47 <dguitarbite> yeah 17:49:09 <colinmcn_> That's all I got 17:49:21 <dguitarbite> thanks a lot colinmcn: I owe you a few beers 17:49:25 <dguitarbite> \m/ 17:49:56 <colinmcn_> I owe you a case of beers 17:50:23 <colinmcn_> on that note. If there is not any other business, I'll close the meeting 17:50:32 <dguitarbite> im good 17:50:37 <colinmcn_> met too 17:50:47 <colinmcn_> #endmeeting