08:00:13 #startmeeting tripleo 08:00:15 Meeting started Wed Sep 17 08:00:13 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shadower. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 08:00:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 08:00:18 The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo' 08:00:39 o/ 08:00:46 morning all 08:00:53 o/ 08:00:56 morning 08:01:04 o/ 08:01:28 \o 08:01:34 * shadower is left-handed 08:01:37 #topic agenda 08:01:38 * bugs 08:01:38 * reviews 08:01:38 * Projects needing releases 08:01:38 * CD Cloud status 08:01:40 * CI 08:01:42 * Tuskar 08:01:45 * Specs 08:01:47 * open discussion 08:01:50 Remember that you can and should use the #info and #link commands, too! 08:02:03 #topic bugs 08:02:13 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/ 08:02:13 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/ 08:02:13 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config 08:02:13 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config 08:02:13 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config 08:02:14 o/ 08:02:16 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config 08:02:18 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar 08:02:21 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient 08:02:27 * StevenK notes shadower is already telling lies, since the meeting is not in all caps 08:02:31 Oh no! We've got bugs! 08:02:41 (this is not a lie) 08:02:47 https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1263294 08:02:48 Launchpad bug 1263294 in tripleo "ephemeral0 of /dev/sda1 triggers 'did not find entry for sda1 in /sys/block'" [Critical,In progress] 08:02:52 https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1361235 08:02:53 Launchpad bug 1361235 in tripleo "visit horizon failure because of import module failure" [Critical,In progress] 08:02:56 https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1369381 08:02:58 Launchpad bug 1369381 in tripleo "Neutron iptables-restore ipset commands failing" [Critical,In progress] 08:03:04 that's all the criticals for this week 08:03:09 people seem to be working on them 08:03:24 anyone has anything to say about these? 08:03:33 Should those be #link'ed? 08:03:52 d0ugal: feel free to link them ;-) 08:04:10 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1263294 08:04:12 Launchpad bug 1263294 in tripleo "ephemeral0 of /dev/sda1 triggers 'did not find entry for sda1 in /sys/block'" [Critical,In progress] 08:04:15 so +bug/1263294 - fixes have both merged seems? 08:04:16 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1361235 08:04:17 Launchpad bug 1361235 in tripleo "visit horizon failure because of import module failure" [Critical,In progress] 08:04:20 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1369381 08:04:21 Launchpad bug 1369381 in tripleo "Neutron iptables-restore ipset commands failing" [Critical,In progress] 08:04:34 looks like the people working on the bugs are all asleep now (or at least should be) 08:04:42 any other bugs anyone wants to discuss? 08:05:14 moving swiftly along, then 08:05:16 #topic reviews 08:05:25 #info There's a new dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard" 08:05:28 #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html 08:05:31 #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt 08:05:34 #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt 08:05:44 Stats since the last revision without -1 or -2 : 08:05:45 Average wait time: 7 days, 16 hours, 34 minutes 08:05:45 1st quartile wait time: 1 days, 3 hours, 7 minutes 08:05:45 Median wait time: 5 days, 19 hours, 23 minutes 08:05:45 3rd quartile wait time: 12 days, 10 hours, 16 minutes 08:06:14 I don't actually know what the stat terms are about but I'll hazard a guess that it's bad as always 08:06:17 This looks like its improving : Queue growth in the last 30 days: 31 (1.0/day) 08:06:19 is that an improvement on 3rd quartile? 08:06:28 oh, really? 08:06:29 cool 08:06:31 Don't forget that if a review makes our stats bad, you can mark it as WIP. 08:06:37 Bonus points if a core gave it -1 and there's been no reply for 14 days 08:07:00 * tchaypo waves 08:07:05 that's actually down on last week 08:07:16 yeah last week was: 19:33:27 3rd quartile wait time: 15 days, 19 hours, 38 minutes 08:07:48 shadower: I feel like we should send something out to list about that 08:07:55 shadower: about the -1 of patches 08:08:05 shadower: it was discussed last week but afaik no action was taken 08:08:05 marios: sounds like a good idea 08:08:17 Yeah, I missed the last meeting so this is new to me 08:08:17 any volunteers? 08:08:26 i'll do it 08:08:49 #action marios to email the list about WIPing patches that mess up our stats 08:08:49 oh nice, that'll be a change from it being me talking about it :) 08:09:00 I can't WIP things though, not being core, which makes me sad 08:09:15 tchaypo: likewise :) 08:09:21 I mean :( 08:09:25 * StevenK is *almost* a core 08:09:29 just ping a core and point them to a WIPable patches 08:09:34 StevenK: half core? 08:09:37 that's a couple clicks worth of work 08:09:50 tchaypo: you can put it in the comments though which should have similar effect (at least until someone sees it and -1 it) 08:09:59 shadower: marios lets not start using language that suggest we're doing this to manipulate stats 08:09:59 or that 08:10:11 d0ugal: When I spoke to lifeless over the weekend he said I have enough votes, just needs him to tell gerrit that I am 08:10:12 derekh: okay 08:10:23 StevenK: Nice :) 08:10:27 tchaypo: derekh: sure. imo it's just good housekeeping to enforce some kind of order on the review queue 08:10:28 Yeah, I've been doing that 08:10:39 rather we are doing this to to avoid stale reviews gathering up, at leats thats the way I see it 08:10:47 #note for the record, shadower mas making jokes about us manipulating stats. Doing that was not anyone's intention 08:10:52 d0ugal: you actually have the numbers to potentially be core though, I don't (yet) 08:11:04 tchaypo: heh, yeah, took a while to get there. 08:11:34 StevenK: congrats :) 08:11:56 Oh, nice. d0ugal is just below me 08:12:02 291 vs 277 08:12:37 :( please don't start doing that with the review numbers. 08:12:57 bnemec: you here by any chance? Last meeting notes you might look into adding a report of items that have a -1 from a core but no response for 14 days 08:13:03 StevenK: Oh yeah, I hadn't looked at that report for a while. neat. 08:13:07 marios: Not my intent to shame/brag 08:13:39 FWIW, I didn't take it that way :) 08:13:45 StevenK: i know, a bit unfar shouldn't be directed at your comment per se, just echoing what others are saying lately about us paying too much attention to the review queue and stats 08:13:51 s/unfar/unfair 08:14:14 shall we move on? 08:14:14 and given that, your comment may well be mistaken as such by someone looking at the minutes 08:14:28 shadower: +1 08:14:32 #topic Projects needing releases 08:14:40 that'd be all of 'em again 08:14:44 any volunteers? 08:14:52 to be clear, my comment about the numbers only meant that the numbers are a neccessary condition for becoming core, they're not a sufficient condition 08:15:04 shadower: put me down unless someone else wants to try it 08:15:19 i'd encourage someone that hasn't done this yet to plan to. it is really easy 08:15:23 thanks marios 08:15:34 #action marios will release all the things again because he's awesome 08:15:38 EPERM for me, but I'm hoping to do so before Paris 08:15:43 StevenK has expressed interest but I don't think he's able to do it 08:16:14 #topic CD Cloud status 08:16:17 Need to be a member of tripleo-ptl on gerrit to do so. Let me get at least a few weeks of core under my belt before I ask 08:16:23 derekh: anything to say here? 08:16:49 StevenK: afaik any core can make you a tripleo-ptl, no need to wait for lifeless once you decide to go for it 08:17:01 hp1 just about ready to turn back running CI, just want to try out the suggestion for greg 08:17:10 HP2 is starting to look slightly healthier - a lot of the patches we were carrying have landed, and other bugs are being fixed as I find them 08:17:14 see my mail for more details 08:17:31 rh1 seems ok at the moment, 08:17:35 it turns out that trying to build a cloud from trunk is (A) difficult, and (B) a moving target 08:17:53 I would have never guessed 08:17:56 although last night this happened https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1370275 08:17:57 Launchpad bug 1370275 in tripleo "Jenkins nodes being reused" [High,Triaged] 08:18:03 I hope it isn't a rh1 problems 08:18:30 to that end, can I get some eyes on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122018/ 08:18:56 * derekh over 08:19:02 thanks 08:19:40 #note we need some eyballs on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/122018/ 08:19:50 #topic CI 08:20:33 anyone have anything to say? 08:21:01 on CI we have had a least 4 (If not more) seperate sets of CI probelems due to the ironic driver to nova tree 08:21:20 :-( 08:21:33 but those seem to be stabalized now, basically things were broke more then normal for the last week 08:22:04 Aksi check-tripleo-novabm-overcloud-precise-nonha seems to be failing a lot 08:22:23 but tripleo isn't voting on it, anybody know why ? 08:22:33 because it's failing a lot? 08:22:52 I do remember someone asking reviewers to try and pay attention to it 08:22:53 It's a non-HA job, it should be voting ? 08:23:01 oh non-ha 08:23:03 I misread that 08:23:10 no idea 08:23:26 We don't run it, it was removed when hp1 was taken down 08:23:35 but other projects run it 08:23:50 I might just turn it back on non voting 08:24:04 so people see it failing, somebody will fix it :-) 08:24:16 good thinking 08:24:40 yeah I've seen it in Heat checks 08:24:41 ok, that all from me, /action derekh will turn back on the precise overcloud job for tripleo projects 08:24:57 #action derekh will turn back on the precise overcloud job for tripleo projects 08:25:00 thanks 08:25:01 yup, heat would be seeing the failures a lot but tripleo don't 08:25:09 yea 08:25:12 #topic Tuskar 08:25:24 d0ugal, lsmola ? 08:25:53 Nothing specific to report from me. 08:26:29 ok 08:26:50 afaik, jdob is working on handling top-level resources, parameters and outputs in Tuskar 08:26:57 that's all I know 08:27:05 I'm working on the updated Tuskar element 08:27:13 cool 08:27:28 but yeah, basically working towards full end to end testing - reviews etc. are looking pretty good. 08:27:45 shadower: nothing from my side 08:27:50 any reviews you want to highlight? 08:28:29 okay, moving on 08:28:31 I don't think so, our reviews are moving fairly fast at the moment 08:28:48 * shadower will have to increase the timeouts 08:28:54 #topic Specs 08:28:55 Oh, this should ideally be merged - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116416/ 08:29:08 Tuskar install is a bit broken otherwise I think. 08:29:27 sorry, a bit late :) 08:29:33 #note some eyballs on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/116416/ too, please 08:29:34 that one is barely a few weeks old 08:29:43 heat managed to land one today dating from july 08:29:49 it was on the 60th revision 08:29:56 wow 08:30:06 tchaypo: heh, nice, the age is less relevant than the impact in this case :) 08:30:47 so, specs 08:31:38 nothing new landed as far as can see 08:31:49 anyone want to discuss their favourite spec? 08:32:25 Don't specs need to wait for K now? 08:33:23 okay, moving on 08:33:29 I thought tripleo didn't follow the release cycle/didn't have a freeze? 08:33:29 #topic open discussion 08:33:36 or not 08:33:47 tchaypo: yea me too, but maybe we do for specs? 08:33:50 still the specs are under /juno/ 08:33:51 I honestly don't know 08:33:56 that should probably change 08:34:01 We should probably at least move them all to /kilo/ 08:34:06 +1 08:34:16 yeah 08:34:23 fwiw I put them under juno when I was creating the specs repo, mainly because I copied the nova repo 08:36:27 ok, open discussion take two 08:36:31 Ironic developers: congrats for graduating! 08:36:38 +1 08:37:03 \o/ 08:37:39 \o/ 08:37:53 I'd like to get os-collect-config properly into logstash this week, so can somebody take a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120394/ please 08:38:02 o and grats ironic :-) 08:38:40 #note eyballs on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/120394/ to get os-collect-config into logstash 08:38:51 At the mid-cycle, I felt like we had a lot of discussions that came down to devs/ops having different needs when they're dstarting out with tripleo 08:39:14 I'd like to start talking more about getting better docs/scripts/etc to give clearer landing-strips for both 08:40:49 For ops, who want to get a cloud up quickly with minimum fuss, I kinda like the way helion distributes a pre-built seed 08:41:15 (although I don't like helion's heft hardware requirements) 08:41:59 for devs, lifeless posted https://review.openstack.org/#/c/85636/ a long time ago; but my current feeling is that it isn't quite what we need 08:43:05 cinerama has done some work on writing tripleorc earlier (https://review.openstack.org/#/c/108801/) so that devs can start changing settings inside that instead of a seperate little-documented .devtestrc 08:43:47 I think that needs some more work before it's ready - if nothing else, we have lots of info to put into that file that isn't ready when devtest_variables is first run so we probably need some way to append to that as we go 08:47:24 okay, shall we wrap this up? 08:48:36 tchaypo: I agree, better docs will be quite important especially as we start getting more users 08:48:53 not just for the initial installation but also for updates & keeping it alive 08:49:07 Oh, the other thing is 08:49:43 StevenK: can i poke you tomorrow about starting the process of getting prep_source_repos on-boarded as a project? 08:49:55 Probably under stackforge at this point 08:50:11 tchaypo: I guess? But I have no idea either 08:50:27 k. 08:51:31 cool, let's go. Thanks shadower 08:51:40 no problem 08:51:49 #endmeeting