#openstack-meeting-alt log

19:01:39 <SpamapS> #startmeeting tripleo
19:01:40 <openstack> Meeting started Tue Dec 16 19:01:39 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is SpamapS. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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19:01:42 * tchaypo is busy fooding
19:01:45 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'tripleo'
19:01:52 <lsmola> o/
19:02:00 <dprince> hey
19:02:19 <SpamapS> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO
19:02:39 * lsmola is busy with kid running around
19:02:44 <SpamapS> #topic agenda
19:02:44 <SpamapS> * bugs
19:02:44 <SpamapS> * reviews
19:02:44 <SpamapS> * Projects needing releases
19:02:44 <SpamapS> * CD Cloud status
19:02:46 <SpamapS> * CI
19:02:49 <SpamapS> * Tuskar
19:02:51 <SpamapS> * Specs
19:02:54 <SpamapS> * open discussion
19:02:56 <SpamapS> Remember that anyone can use the link and info commands, not just the moderator - if you have something worth noting in the meeting minutes feel free to tag it
19:02:59 <SpamapS> #topic bugs
19:03:16 <SpamapS> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/
19:03:16 <SpamapS> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/
19:03:16 <SpamapS> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-refresh-config
19:03:16 <SpamapS> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-apply-config
19:03:16 <SpamapS> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-collect-config
19:03:19 <SpamapS> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-cloud-config
19:03:21 <SpamapS> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/os-net-config
19:03:24 <SpamapS> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/tuskar
19:03:26 <SpamapS> #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-tuskarclient
19:03:44 <SpamapS> Howdy folks! Let's jump right in. Please highlight any non-critical bugs you want to bring to the group's attention. Now, to the criticals.
19:04:38 <tchaypo> we can't use no-mergepy yet because of features in heat that are being tweaked
19:05:04 <SpamapS> tchaypo: sounds right
19:05:14 <SpamapS> anybody what to elaborate on that?
19:05:20 <tchaypo> there's a bug that I'd look up if I wasn't on iPad
19:05:30 <lsmola> tchaypo: do you have a list of what is still broken?
19:05:58 <SpamapS> We should be marking those as affecting us, perhaps even link to the blueprint.
19:06:01 <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1374626
19:06:06 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1374626 in tripleo "UIDs of data-owning users might change between deployed images" [Critical,Triaged]
19:06:32 <SpamapS> That one is assigned to me. It is still 3rd in line behind setting up some CI for tripleo-ansible (almost done..) and working on L3 segmentation for ironic/nova.
19:06:38 <lsmola> tchaypo: also sending it to mailing list would be nice
19:07:23 <SpamapS> lsmola: I believe there was a thread where we discussed the main blocker, which is that we have no migration path from mergepy templates to not-mergepy templates that doesn't involve having spare machines.
19:07:48 <SpamapS> The external_reference feature is needed to do that properly.
19:07:53 <tchaypo> https://launchpad.net/bugs/1401929
19:07:55 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1401929 in heat "Overzealous validation of images in empty ResourceGroups" [High,In progress]
19:07:59 <lsmola> yea that is a big one
19:08:07 <SpamapS> The image validation is a misfeature IMO.
19:08:22 <SpamapS> But nobody seems to agree with me in Heat land. ;)
19:08:24 <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1385346
19:08:25 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1385346 in tripleo "upstart service unreliable after introducion of pipe to logger" [Critical,Fix committed]
19:08:47 <tchaypo> lsmola: kk, I'll email later
19:09:04 <lsmola> great
19:09:17 <SpamapS> greghaynes: ^^ is this solved? I thought we still had issues because of disappearing servers
19:09:49 <greghaynes> Not solved, there is a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138844/
19:09:53 <SpamapS> greghaynes: it's marked Fix Committed but I don't really believe it.
19:10:03 <greghaynes> I should update that commit msg
19:10:17 <SpamapS> greghaynes: ok, so should you attach that patch to the bug?
19:10:23 <greghaynes> Yep
19:10:25 <SpamapS> greghaynes: ok, marking In Progress and assigning to you.
19:11:17 <SpamapS> greghaynes: also did we ever start the discussion on openstack-dev about making syslog default? I recall you falling down an eventlet rabbit hole.
19:12:02 <greghaynes> I only got +1 responses (maybe only one?). The eventlet issue is fixed by just writing to /dev/log instead of syslog()
19:12:10 <greghaynes> which is what that patch does :)
19:12:39 <SpamapS> greghaynes: ok, cool. It would be good to Related-Bug the bug about syslog being default in your patch.
19:12:48 * bnemec needs to catch up on that
19:12:58 <greghaynes> righto
19:13:04 <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401300
19:13:06 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1401300 in tripleo "Keystone Private Key not securely sent to host" [Critical,Confirmed]
19:13:13 <SpamapS> Anybody want to bite on this one?
19:13:20 <SpamapS> It's really a spec I think.
19:13:55 <dprince> SpamapS: yeah, that is a new mechanism
19:14:08 <greghaynes> I think were going to end up wanting a short term dirty fix (like scp) and a spec for something more sane
19:14:08 <SpamapS> We could just accept the risk.
19:14:31 <SpamapS> Also did we ever actually turn on https for heat/cfn API access?
19:14:48 <SpamapS> Probably not.
19:14:51 <greghaynes> Something a lot nicer should come as a result of the barbican work im going but thats about 3 medium sized features out...
19:15:16 <tchaypo> i thomk there's a pending change that does that, but im not dure if its doing it intentionally or if it a mistake
19:16:18 <SpamapS> Ok, so we need somebody to look at this and _at the very least_ assess the risk and see if we really do need to fix it "zomg right now" or if it is just something we need to document as a shortcoming and drive the long term fix as a "High" bug.
19:16:51 <SpamapS> I'm super overcommitted or I'd take it on. Anybody?
19:17:17 <greghaynes> ok, I can take on assessing it since im pretty familiar with whats going on
19:17:23 <SpamapS> greghaynes: \o/
19:17:55 <SpamapS> everybody buy greghaynes beer in Seattle. Or anything else he wants to consume recreationally within the limits of the law and professionalism ;-)
19:18:22 <greghaynes> haha, gluten free tasty beverages are welcome :)
19:18:30 <clarkb> seattle cider co is pretty good
19:19:01 <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401617
19:19:05 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1401617 in os-cloud-config "Flavor based ramdisk/kernel ID is deprecated in Ironic since Juno" [Critical,In progress]
19:19:22 <SpamapS> I'm kind of trying to drive this one on the side. It isn't easy though, as we have to change os-cloud-config and tripleo-incubator in weird ways.
19:19:38 <SpamapS> Should get done before they remove the flavor->ramdisk+kernel mapping though.
19:19:44 <SpamapS> In fact they may keep that until K+1
19:19:53 <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/tripleo/+bug/1401957
19:19:55 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1401957 in tripleo "pip install MySQL-python failing on fedora" [Critical,Triaged]
19:20:27 <SpamapS> This one is "solved" but awaiting final publish to mirrors, and only affects Fedora users, so I move to drop it to High.
19:20:32 <SpamapS> anyone object?
19:21:17 <SpamapS> I take 60s of silence as no. Dropped to High.
19:21:44 <tchaypo> we have a workaround in Ci already afaik
19:21:51 <tchaypo> high sounds good to me
19:21:59 <dprince> SpamapS: high is good
19:23:36 <SpamapS> Ok all the rest are fix committed I think.
19:23:37 <tchaypo> getting back to https urls
19:23:40 <tchaypo> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131795/
19:24:07 <SpamapS> https://bugs.launchpad.net/diskimage-builder/+bug/1402085
19:24:08 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1402085 in diskimage-builder "pkg-map incompatible with new install-packages element" [Critical,In progress]
19:24:15 <SpamapS> that may need some review love
19:25:04 <SpamapS> tchaypo: that looks like it needs a bug
19:26:16 <tchaypo> yeah, i don't understand what its doing. it seems to have had a couple of +2s and im not sure why
19:26:20 <SpamapS> just so we can make sure to drive it to completion
19:26:43 <SpamapS> Ok, looks worth a closer.. look.
19:26:59 <SpamapS> anyway, long time on bugs. Let's move on.
19:27:14 <SpamapS> #topic reviews
19:27:25 <greghaynes> oh, one more bug thing
19:27:30 <greghaynes> Bug squash day tomorrow
19:27:45 <greghaynes> Just a reminder :)
19:28:19 <SpamapS> #info There's a dashboard linked from https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/TripleO#Review_team - look for "TripleO Inbox Dashboard"
19:28:21 <SpamapS> #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-openreviews.html
19:28:24 <SpamapS> #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-30.txt
19:28:27 <SpamapS> #link http://russellbryant.net/openstack-stats/tripleo-reviewers-90.txt
19:28:31 <SpamapS> greghaynes: RIGHT! should have said that in bugs section. ;)
19:28:45 <tchaypo> thanks greghaynes
19:28:53 <tchaypo> can you email to remind people about that?
19:29:01 <greghaynes> tchaypo: yep, good call
19:29:11 <tchaypo> for stevenk it's bug squash day as soon as he wakes up
19:29:34 <SpamapS> We're still _very_ slow on reviews since the US Thanksgiving break.
19:30:03 <greghaynes> I suspect that wont get better over upcoming holidays
19:30:25 <SpamapS> One stat I would like to see is the throughput.
19:30:38 <SpamapS> It's great to see our problems, but I'd like to have visibility into our capabilities too.
19:31:00 <tchaypo> queue growth is up to 2.2/day on the 30 day report
19:31:09 <tchaypo> from memory it was 1.9 last week
19:31:16 <SpamapS> whoa, 190 days https://review.openstack.org/#/c/98817/
19:31:35 <SpamapS> #link http://stackalytics.com/report/reviews/tripleo-group/open
19:31:40 <SpamapS> different view of things there
19:31:52 <bnemec> That was wip for a lot of that time though.
19:31:53 <greghaynes> workflow -1 in jun
19:32:31 <slagle_> tchaypo: are you core? or are the stats just not updated?
19:32:39 <tchaypo> im not core
19:32:50 <SpamapS> #link http://stackalytics.com/?module=tripleo-group&metric=marks
19:33:22 <tchaypo> my review numbers are the highest they've ever been right now
19:33:30 <SpamapS> This actually does show throughput
19:33:54 <SpamapS> and we're definitely lower than we were in the past
19:34:04 <tchaypo> if I can get them higher and keep them there for a few months I'll start asking about being core
19:34:50 <SpamapS> tchaypo: in the grand scheme of things, you're beating half the core team.
19:35:02 <SpamapS> do we need to drop some inactive members?
19:35:28 <SpamapS> I feel like right now would be the wrong time to do that.
19:35:32 <SpamapS> but maybe we'll revisit in January.
19:35:34 <bnemec> Yeah
19:35:39 <bnemec> +1 to January
19:35:50 <tchaypo> i'm beating numbers, I don't know about quality
19:35:51 <slagle_> things will look worse in january wouldn't they?
19:35:53 <SpamapS> Anyway, does anybody have any specific things to discuss about reviews? I feel like we could probably do better.
19:36:07 <jdob> ya, i'm taking two weeks off for xmas holiday, that won't help my numbers in january :)
19:36:18 <tchaypo> but spam apps any feedback would be welcome and helpful :)
19:36:20 <SpamapS> slagle_: yes they will, but I'm suggesting we tell those with the worst numbers to step-up or step-out. :)
19:36:57 <slagle_> hehe
19:38:35 <tchaypo> the other thing is - perhaps our metrics are measuring the wrong thing. perhaps we should be asking people for input on redefining the core commitments for next year?
19:38:55 <jdob> it has been about a year since we moved to the 3/day thing, might be worth a discussion
19:39:03 <tchaypo> does 3/workday still make sense?
19:39:16 <jdob> let's table that for the ML
19:39:23 <SpamapS> agree
19:39:39 <SpamapS> #topic CI
19:39:49 <SpamapS> #link http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/s_tripleo-jobs.html
19:40:29 <bnemec> Hmm, <50% pass rate.
19:40:33 <greghaynes> http://goodsquishy.com/downloads/tripleo-jobs.html theres a lot of red
19:40:34 <SpamapS> 68% for nonha .. given the fact that fedora was totally borked for a week.. this seems o-k
19:40:38 <SpamapS> bnemec: thats w/ HA
19:40:41 <tchaypo> f20 was broken for a bit
19:40:44 <greghaynes> also everything was borked for the weekend
19:40:56 <bnemec> Ah
19:41:13 <tchaypo> Derekh or I will send the weekly email tomorrow or the day after
19:41:13 <SpamapS> Right setuptools fun
19:41:35 <tchaypo> greghaynes: I wasn't aware of that, do you have a bug?
19:41:44 <SpamapS> tchaypo: anything to report on HP regions?
19:42:22 <tchaypo> derekh was adding 15 nodes to hp1
19:42:54 <tchaypo> I'm stuck on hp2 right now, I rebuilt the seed and now it's not responding to arp on eth1 and it's broken the limits of my knowledge
19:43:02 <greghaynes> tchaypo: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/141659/
19:43:17 <tchaypo> thanks greghaynes
19:43:53 <SpamapS> tchaypo: perhaps it's time to shift roles a bit.. seems stalled. We can discuss later.
19:44:08 <tchaypo> kk
19:45:06 <SpamapS> anything else about CI?
19:46:02 <tchaypo> see email soon, nothing I'm aware of
19:46:10 <SpamapS> #topic Tuskar
19:46:16 <SpamapS> jdob: got anything for us?
19:46:31 <jdob> SpamapS: nope, I've been diverted all month; we can probably drop this topic from the agenda entirely
19:46:40 <jdob> no real reason to call out one of the 10 or so projects within tripleo
19:46:49 <SpamapS> jdob: ok, can you edit it out of https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/TripleO please?
19:46:51 <jdob> i'll jump up and down on the ML or reviews section if I need eyes :)
19:46:52 <jdob> will do
19:47:09 <SpamapS> jdob: But it's the most visually attractive project.... ;)
19:47:17 <SpamapS> #topic Specs
19:47:33 <SpamapS> Haven't seen much in the way of new specs. Anybody have a spec they want to hilight?
19:47:38 * jdob resists urge to comment on himself also being visually attractive
19:47:58 <greghaynes> Is the cinder/ha one merged?
19:48:19 <SpamapS> jdob: professionalism.. ;)
19:48:28 <jdob> ya, i'm dripping with it
19:48:52 <greghaynes> https://review.openstack.org/#/c/101237/ is cinder ha and still not merged
19:48:59 <greghaynes> and ive heard lots of review begging
19:49:19 <SpamapS> Yes, review that spec.
19:49:45 <SpamapS> and all specs
19:50:03 * SpamapS hums "Let's talk about specs, baby..."
19:50:13 <SpamapS> #topic open discussion
19:50:18 <tchaypo> professionalism....
19:50:25 <SpamapS> tchaypo: ah-thankyou
19:50:33 <tchaypo> we've had a few ML conversations about meeting time for the other meeting
19:50:52 <tchaypo> I'd ask if anyone can't make this meeting but clearly they aren't here...
19:50:57 <SpamapS> :-/
19:51:16 <tchaypo> also about the purpose of the meetings and if there's anything we can change
19:51:18 <SpamapS> tchaypo: did you try kicking out my votes and any for others in the American timezones?
19:51:55 <tchaypo> I haven't yet, I've just been manually mentally adjusting votes
19:52:10 <SpamapS> tchaypo: I think the meeting is intended to gather realtime participation around common topics like driving bugs and reviews. I think they get tedious sometimes but still are valuable.
19:52:50 <SpamapS> Just gives us a time where we can block out and get maximum rapid feedback on the immediately-important topics for the project.
19:53:12 <tchaypo> yeah. I think things like the Ci/cd reports don't contribute much value though
19:54:08 <SpamapS> tchaypo: Indeed, those seem to be socialized well enough as passive reports and email summaries.
19:54:42 <SpamapS> tchaypo: the CI regions _do_ need more love though. So keeping people abreast of the needs there seems like an immediate feedback situation.
19:55:50 <SpamapS> Also I expect jerryz to want to discuss his issues as he brings up his region, so alt meeting time might be better for him to discuss that with those who are not in NorAm.
19:56:02 <tchaypo> I.
19:56:07 <SpamapS> tchaypo: anyway, I echo your concern that we're not using the time super wisely.
19:56:20 <tchaypo> well the current favoured times cut him out completely
19:56:31 <SpamapS> tchaypo: yeah so I think we can't let that happen.
19:56:37 <SpamapS> There are a _FEW_ OpenStack users in China. :)
19:56:37 <tchaypo> from memory
19:56:42 <SpamapS> and devs. :)
19:57:11 <tchaypo> yes :)
19:57:27 <SpamapS> tchaypo: keep up the good fight. I suggest resurrecting the discussion in January.
19:57:31 <tchaypo> if this meeting was about 2 hours later it would be better for Sydney
19:57:34 <SpamapS> Everybody is checking out for holidays.
19:57:35 <SpamapS> OH
19:57:40 <SpamapS> the meetup!
19:57:42 <tchaypo> and bej, I think
19:57:42 <SpamapS> it's on
19:58:08 <tchaypo> hotel group booking?
19:58:16 <SpamapS> none
19:58:23 <SpamapS> The hotels downtown are reasonable and many.
19:58:44 <SpamapS> I suggest the Westin or Sheraton if you have that choice.
19:59:04 <SpamapS> The Hilton (downtown, not airport) and Crowne Plaza are also close and nice enough. :)
19:59:14 <SpamapS> I already booked in the Westin.
19:59:27 <greghaynes> SpamapS: Did we get the possible scheduling conflict resolved?
19:59:30 <SpamapS> Which is HP approved for my HP'ers. :)
19:59:37 <bnemec> This might be useful information to put in the etherpad.
19:59:38 <SpamapS> greghaynes: entirely. I sent an email. Did it not make it to the list?
19:59:47 <greghaynes> I think I just failed at reading email
19:59:54 <greghaynes> got archive happy probably
19:59:57 <tchaypo> why only 3 days this time?
20:00:01 <SpamapS> bnemec: "Details to follow about access to facility. There are many hotels short walking distance from the office, including a Westin, a Sheraton, and a Hilton."
20:00:13 <SpamapS> tchaypo: being mindful of peoples' time.
20:00:57 <tchaypo> do we plan to use Monday and Tuesday for informal catch Ups?
20:01:13 <tchaypo> or should we just turn up on Tuesday afternoon for wednesday mo
20:01:14 <SpamapS> tchaypo: you can of course come early to LA and we can co-work in my basement if you want. ;)
20:01:19 <tchaypo> morning?
20:01:30 <greghaynes> Or come down to pdx :)
20:01:34 <greghaynes> its only a 3hr train ride
20:01:36 <jdob> i noticed that too, was going to confirm 18 wasn't a typo
20:01:37 <SpamapS> ANyway we're over time
20:01:43 <SpamapS> PLEASE confirm ASAP.
20:02:03 <Geoff___> What's the mid-cycle RSVP level - still 16 out of 20?
20:02:05 <SpamapS> We got pushback on a full week.
20:02:26 <SpamapS> Geoff___: RSVP right now is 4 right now.
20:02:28 <SpamapS> -> #tripleo
20:02:30 <SpamapS> #endmeeting