18:01:11 <shamail> #startmeeting uc 18:01:12 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Jul 17 18:01:11 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is shamail. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 18:01:14 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 18:01:17 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'uc' 18:01:32 <shamail> #chair mrhillsman ShillaSaebi 18:01:32 <openstack> Current chairs: ShillaSaebi mrhillsman shamail 18:01:52 <shamail> #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs 18:02:00 <shamail> Anyone here for the UC meeting? 18:02:03 <ShillaSaebi> hello 18:02:13 <shamail> Hi ShillaSaebi 18:02:36 <mrhillsman> o/ 18:03:11 <shamail> hi mrhillsman 18:03:18 <shamail> shall we get started or wait a couple of minutes? 18:03:37 <ShillaSaebi> we can wait until 5 after in case anyone else shows up 18:03:53 <shamail> sounds good 18:05:23 <shamail> Alrighty 18:05:28 <shamail> let’s get going 18:05:47 <shamail> We have 3/5 so quorum 18:05:59 <shamail> #topic Review AUC and Extra-AUC Patch 18:06:12 <shamail> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479462/ 18:06:43 <shamail> mrhillsman: I reviewed the patch and I think it captures what we want from the WGs (list of AUC and extra AUC) 18:06:53 <mrhillsman> cool 18:07:00 <shamail> A) I think the “Expires-in” field either needs to be in both AUC and Extra-AUC areas or in none 18:07:21 <shamail> the terms for AUC/extra-AUC will be the same and we will want chairs to review lists every release cycle 18:07:53 <ShillaSaebi> +1 18:07:59 <shamail> B) I looked at the generated page from the gate (http://docs-draft.openstack.org/62/479462/3/check/gate-governance-uc-docs-ubuntu-xenial/e5b8fed//doc/build/html/) 18:08:09 <shamail> and if you look at the “chairs” section, it broke 18:08:54 <shamail> What is everyones thought on A and B? 18:09:59 <shamail> ping mrhillsman & ShillaSaebi 18:10:43 <ShillaSaebi> i agree with the expires in, we should either include in both or none 18:11:02 <shamail> thanks ShillaSaebi 18:11:36 <shamail> Should we defer this meeting? I think Melvin is multi-tasking too :) 18:11:43 <mrhillsman> sorry, stepped away for a second 18:11:49 <shamail> all good 18:12:01 <ShillaSaebi> as far as the broken piece, anyone have time to look at it? 18:12:19 <mrhillsman> I can loom 18:12:22 <shamail> I wouldn’t know where to begin… 18:12:23 <mrhillsman> Look 18:12:25 <shamail> thanks 18:12:44 <ShillaSaebi> ok let me know if you need a second set of eyes on it 18:12:48 <shamail> #agree mrhillsman will look at ways to fix the “chairs” section with the updated YAML files 18:13:06 <ShillaSaebi> sweet 18:13:18 <mrhillsman> I have an idea of what is happening 18:13:35 <ShillaSaebi> thank you! 18:13:39 <shamail> mrhillsman: Can you also update the patch with whichever option you prefer regarding the “expires-in” field? 18:13:48 <shamail> Thanks 18:14:22 <ShillaSaebi> ok anything else on this topic? 18:14:40 <shamail> #action mrhillsman to update https://review.openstack.org/#/c/479462/ by either adding “expires-in” to both or none of the sections 18:14:46 <shamail> I think we’re good 18:14:54 <ShillaSaebi> #topic Review addition of WG/Team Requirements as UC reference doc #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484208/ 18:15:35 <shamail> I took the draft that we had in google docs and posted a patch with the suggested changes 18:15:44 <shamail> http://docs-draft.openstack.org/08/484208/5/check/gate-governance-uc-docs-ubuntu-xenial/b5e054c//doc/build/html/reference/new-uc-group-requirements.html 18:16:18 <shamail> #action UC members should review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/484208/ and add roll-call vote 18:16:22 <ShillaSaebi> okay 18:16:24 <mrhillsman> ok 18:16:25 <ShillaSaebi> will do 18:16:25 <shamail> Thanks for reviewing the doc! 18:16:45 <shamail> I think we’re good on this topic too 18:16:47 <mrhillsman> i reviewed it, some cosmetic stuff, but totally cool with the wording 18:16:50 <mrhillsman> ++ 18:17:07 <mrhillsman> thx for taking time to write it up :) 18:17:12 <shamail> yeah, thanks mrhillsman… you fixed a lot of stuff with the verbiage 18:17:34 <shamail> #topic SIG Update (Mailing List and Meta SIG Discussion) 18:17:42 <shamail> mrhillsman: can you give an update on this one? 18:17:45 <mrhillsman> sure 18:18:21 <mrhillsman> we created the ML and proposed a Meta SIG initially that helps with onboarding for SIGs and figuring out the governance and what not, basically a SIG for SIGs hehe 18:18:25 <mrhillsman> getting links 18:18:49 <mrhillsman> sign up for SIGs ML - #link http://lists.openstack.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/openstack-sigs 18:19:10 <mrhillsman> meta sig proposal - #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2017-July/000000.html 18:19:31 <ShillaSaebi> nice work 18:19:38 <shamail> Awesome 18:19:51 <mrhillsman> and i started a discussion around how the work of SIGs can actually turn into code per se - #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-sigs/2017-July/000003.html 18:20:23 <smcginnis> Nice write up! 18:20:35 <shamail> Will the Meta SIG have meeting as well or will all business happen on SIG-ML? 18:20:59 <shamail> I like this discussion mrhillsman, the observation is spot-on 18:21:00 <mrhillsman> this is the thing that will take time as everyone has an opinion/perspective but i think we should continue to keep the discussion focused on solution rather than hashing out opinions of the why of our current state 18:21:45 * shamail will sign up for SIG-ML and [meta] 18:21:53 <ShillaSaebi> ditto 18:22:12 <shamail> Thanks for the update mrhillsman… a lot of progress! 18:22:12 <mrhillsman> maybe we can keep all discussions on the ML for now 18:22:16 <shamail> Anything else? 18:22:16 <mrhillsman> very welcome 18:22:24 <shamail> mrhillsman: +1 18:22:27 <mrhillsman> nothing else from me 18:22:39 <shamail> #topic Review attendance/agenda for July 19th WG Updates meeting 18:22:51 <mrhillsman> i will be in attendance 18:22:59 <shamail> Awesome 18:23:13 <shamail> I most likely won' 18:23:19 <ShillaSaebi> yeah its 1 am our time 18:23:20 <shamail> won’t be in attendance since its 1AM 18:23:22 <ShillaSaebi> usually thats past my bedtime 18:23:27 <mrhillsman> hehe 18:23:38 <ShillaSaebi> i can set an alarm and show up though if you need me there 18:23:38 <shamail> Same here ShillaSaebi, I us usually out by 12:55A 18:23:42 <shamail> I am usually* 18:23:47 <ShillaSaebi> heheh 18:23:57 <mrhillsman> we will be in openstack-uc i believe 18:24:01 <shamail> yeah ^ 18:24:16 <mrhillsman> and that is all plugged into infra so everyone can catch up l8r 18:24:24 <ShillaSaebi> yeah that works 18:24:33 <ShillaSaebi> thanks for covering mrhillsman 18:24:39 <shamail> ++ 18:24:40 <mrhillsman> very welcome 18:24:51 <shamail> #topic Discuss sessions submitted for Sydney Summit that require UC assistance (if any) 18:25:00 <shamail> We don’t have any WG chairs here so not much to this topic 18:25:11 <ShillaSaebi> yeah and i think as far as our sessions go, we have 2 in 18:25:16 <shamail> but I was hoping that we can find out if any WGs need help with their plans for Sydney 18:25:25 <shamail> ShillaSaebi: thanks for submitting! 18:25:28 <mrhillsman> ++ 18:25:39 <ShillaSaebi> maybe we can send something via ML and ask the wgs 18:25:43 <shamail> mrhillsman: Can you ask the WG chairs about this on July 19th? 18:25:48 <ShillaSaebi> there u go +1 18:26:06 <ShillaSaebi> seems like a great opportunity to bring it up 18:26:19 <shamail> totally 18:26:51 <mrhillsman> yep 18:27:02 <shamail> thanks 18:27:10 <shamail> #topic Open Discussion 18:27:17 <shamail> Aaaanything else? 18:27:29 <mrhillsman> 1 thing :) 18:27:49 <mrhillsman> i was wondering about us setting some goals 18:27:57 <mrhillsman> not necessarily right now 18:28:04 <mrhillsman> maybe after election 18:28:08 <shamail> mrhillsman: +1 18:28:20 <ShillaSaebi> +1 18:28:24 <mrhillsman> cool 18:28:34 <mrhillsman> that's it from me 18:28:40 <ShillaSaebi> thanks everyone! 18:28:45 <mrhillsman> thx! 18:28:48 <ShillaSaebi> talk to you soon :) 18:28:52 <shamail> thanks everyone! 18:28:56 <shamail> #endmeeting