14:11:33 #startmeeting uc 14:11:34 Meeting started Mon Dec 4 14:11:33 2017 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is mrhillsman. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:11:35 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:11:37 The meeting name has been set to 'uc' 14:11:42 #chair zioproto 14:11:43 Current chairs: mrhillsman zioproto 14:12:08 current agenda #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Foundation/UserCommittee#Meeting_Agenda.2FPrevious_Meeting_Logs 14:12:23 #topic Roll Call 14:12:45 o/ 14:13:14 Tom sent us material about the election procedures 14:13:27 I guess that is under control now, right ? 14:13:47 we can put that at the end 14:13:53 or on next week's agenda 14:14:15 who all is here for UC meeting? 14:14:29 i got you zioproto :) and saw lsell and aprice 14:14:54 yes i'm here 14:15:14 ok, i know it is quite early :) 14:15:17 I am here 14:15:33 so we may have some folks show up later 14:15:52 #topic Review Sydney 5 Take aways 14:16:15 #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-operators/2017-November/014550.html 14:16:39 an email was sent out with some items possibly relevant to uc with opportunity to further discuss 14:17:04 the LTS thing 14:17:10 after the intial boost of emails 14:17:18 looks like is now stucked 14:17:36 I have to feeling this is a topic where flame threads can go on forever 14:17:46 but there is no actual action after the mailing list discussion 14:18:30 yeah, unfortunately the discussion got broken across MLs 14:19:25 here is the initial discussion #link http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2017-November/124308.html 14:20:02 forum etherpad #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/SYD-forum-upstream-lts-releases 14:20:38 proposal #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/LTS-proposal 14:20:48 Forgive me for not being up to date on the thread, but is the UC taking responsibility for setting up this new team and bringing resources to the table? 14:21:24 currently tc is still driving to resolve the proposal 14:21:30 thierry specificall 14:21:37 specifically 14:21:48 and i am keeping up to speed on the discussion 14:22:09 which i would say a little more than a week ago started slowing 14:22:23 at the end of the etherpad there are some names of people that proposed to be core members 14:22:26 for the LTS 14:22:26 #action mrhillsman reach out to thierry and dims regarding lts next steps 14:22:47 yep, quite a few folks interested, including some who have already been doing work 14:23:10 and it appears primarily redhat and canonical 14:24:00 huawei is paying close attention but has not jumped in as i believe team is waiting for a bit more direction as there is not a solid lts plan yet and prefer to work upstream if possible 14:24:34 but i will reach out to thierry and dims because they are more informed than me 14:24:35 ok awesome. mrhillsman: thierry and dims will both be in austin for kubecon this week 14:24:59 ++ 14:25:18 alright, operator midcycle integration 14:25:29 a ML thread went out re this 14:25:50 appears consensus is co-location is no bueno 14:26:14 the next midcycle is in Tokyo 14:26:36 NTT's Shintaro Mizuno has been leading organizing 14:27:15 looks like the idea of merging the events in the same location did not work, right ? 14:27:24 this is what I remember from the IRC meeting logs 14:27:26 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018 14:27:32 yeah 14:27:55 i think the focus was so much on that vs trying to reduce travel and sponsor fatigue 14:28:05 #link http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/ops_meetup_team/2017/ops_meetup_team.2017-11-28-14.01.html 14:28:07 hey gang, sorry I'm late 14:28:14 AGREED: "official co-location" of ops meetups and PTG appears to be at least inefficient and possibly unwelcome 14:28:16 but for now it is a no go 14:28:44 zioproto, yes, that's what mrhillsman said 14:29:03 i think it is still at some point reasonable to circle back around and focus on where money can be saved for one 14:29:17 but more importantly re integration into larger event ecosystem 14:29:35 shintaro is taking a good step with the agenda provided earlier - #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/TYO-ops-meetup-2018 14:29:39 just in case :) 14:30:03 so keep the current structure with general sessions 14:30:21 and add on enterprise and nfv focus 14:30:57 goal is to get some specific actionable items for those two areas to feedback into the community 14:31:22 e.g. - forum session submissions :) 14:31:24 previously we may have been trying to do that for too many sessions 14:31:31 ++ VW 14:31:53 or too many areas 14:32:00 any other comments here? 14:32:10 none from me 14:32:35 if anyone has folks involved/concerned with enterprise and/or nfv, session submission for the midcycle is open 14:32:37 ok 14:33:15 3 tied to 2 (ops midcycle) :) 14:33:21 pretty self-explanatory 14:33:45 4 - i can reach out to doug re vision casting exercise 14:33:52 #chair VW 14:33:53 Current chairs: VW mrhillsman zioproto 14:33:54 sorry :) 14:34:09 do we think that is useful exercise? 14:34:27 he did it with the docs team during the denver PTG 14:35:18 it would be difficult to have everyone at an event to do this, unless we do like TC and spend joint meeting time 14:35:52 but since there are only a handful of us doug mentioned using video conference 14:36:23 #action email uc regarding vision casting exercise 14:36:33 bah 14:36:54 VW or zioproto want to ^ 14:37:01 I am not sure I understood the question 14:37:25 what is the "casting exercise" 14:37:26 ? 14:37:29 did you see the "how we see the community in 2019" thread from the TC? 14:37:42 no I did not 14:38:12 from Colette ? 14:38:15 I have to read it still 14:38:25 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/453262/ 14:39:47 so uc going through a similar exercise 14:40:06 well, the same 14:40:29 we can discuss via email :) 14:40:36 or more later 14:41:00 yeah - let's spend some time discussing over email, etc. Maybe target next week to assign someone to kick off the process 14:42:01 #info discuss uc vision exercise via email; maybe target next week to have someone kick off the process 14:42:22 5 and 6 are tied together as well 14:42:59 heard in china meetup as well as during forum a way to recognize non-developer contributions easily 14:43:12 like stackalytics (however you feel about the tool :)) 14:43:31 but easily parsed tool basically 14:44:01 david medberry took action to talk with jimmy 14:44:05 not sure of status 14:44:21 me either, but I'll be in a meeting with him tomorrow 14:44:30 so I'll try and ping him on a side channel and touch base 14:44:35 I sent the google doc you're working on to Mike Perez and Ildiko Vansca because they both work on stats for the community, and Ildiko is specifically on the board of a new project called CHAOSS which is trying to come up with more standard metrics and tracking across all open source projects 14:44:36 awesome 14:44:54 ooh - fancy 14:44:58 As far as Foundation web resources, we're just getting started on 2018 priorities and frankly have quite a bit in the queue 14:45:00 #action VW to check with med_ on usalytics hehe 14:45:12 awesome, thx lsell 14:45:50 So we just need better understanding of the scope, the data inputs, the desired timeline, etc. in order to prioritize the project 14:46:16 also in the mail from Tom there was an overview of the tools used to understand if one is AUC or ATC 14:46:48 but I guess David Medberry is not included in the email recipients 14:46:56 yes, i thought the tools Tom setup would be good starting point for data 14:47:22 Yes, and it's a bit manual right now for AUC, because we don't have automated feeds of all of the data sources the AUC group identified 14:47:22 am i right to assume VW you will discuss these details with david as well? 14:47:38 I got a mail with "AUC - Technical Implementation Details" 14:48:04 there are actually some scripts 14:48:28 yep 14:48:32 under https://github.com/openstack/uc-recognition 14:50:26 ok, joint meetings 14:50:38 i think it is just a matter of dropping in 14:50:41 nothing major there 14:50:46 i have to run, ping me if you need anything 14:50:50 i plan to start this week 14:50:53 thx lsell 14:51:00 we have 10 minutes, anything pressing? 14:51:06 #topic Open Discussion 14:51:48 if not, feel free to drop anything in the channel of course or via the ML 14:51:57 and we can end meeting 14:52:50 alright, thx everyone! 14:52:55 #endmeeting