09:06:27 #startmeeting upgrade-sig 09:06:27 Meeting started Tue May 15 09:06:27 2018 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jamespage. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 09:06:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 09:06:30 The meeting name has been set to 'upgrade_sig' 09:06:44 #topic decide on regular agenda for meeting 09:06:55 lujinluo: any thoughts on this? 09:07:27 i had been give this a thought. Remember in PTG, we said we will start with documentations first 09:07:30 with the target group for this SIG, we should aim to try to facilitate comms between operators and developers 09:07:44 lujinluo: yeah I was trying to remember what we discussed 09:07:54 do you have the pad URL handy? 09:08:03 one second 09:08:17 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ffu-ptg-rocky 09:08:44 \o 09:08:46 hey lyarwood ! 09:08:52 https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/upgrades-sig-meeting 09:08:53 he lyarwood ! 09:08:54 for reference 09:08:57 hey* 09:09:11 lujinluo and I where just discussing the general structure for this meeting going forwards 09:09:24 but dublin appears to have rrd'ed out of my brain! 09:09:59 hehe yeah, so what did you have in mind? 09:10:23 I think we need to line up behind the objectives for the SIG 09:10:32 so some standing agenda items to support that would be good 09:10:46 I'd quite like to see a 'deployment project updates' type section 09:10:59 ++ 09:11:20 but I think the priority is to distill the current pain points out of deployment projects and operators to drive action items into development 09:11:28 yeah agreed, ops feedback? 09:11:37 yeah that sounds good 09:11:45 yep 09:12:37 in the etherpad, shall we separate knowledge sharing and deployment update? 09:12:43 yeah ok 09:13:04 knowledge sharing is supposed to be from operators, right 09:14:28 please add Kolla as well! o/ 09:14:40 lujinluo: done 09:14:43 thanks! 09:15:08 for the knowledge sharing, do we wanna talk with Docs team? 09:15:26 lujinluo: I think knowledge sharing can be from ops and from devs - sometimes is just that the golden nugget to unlock something has been done - but it just needs to be drawn out of someones head! 09:15:42 makes sense 09:15:52 lujinluo: yes but I think that would just to get setup - the Upgrades SIG should drive the documentation process. 09:16:12 i am thinking about the style, wiki page does not guaranttee reviews 09:16:30 thats true - but it is sometimes a handy dumping ground for content 09:16:32 if we can set up some branches, we only merge things with people checking on them 09:16:55 yeah, we need a trade-off 09:17:06 so maybe we start with wiki pages first? 09:17:34 yeah I think that's what we discussed in dublin - we can move to an 'upgrade-docs' repo later 09:18:04 lujinluo, lyarwood: does that sounds like a plan? 09:18:18 sounds good to me! 09:18:29 yeah that's cool 09:18:44 I don't think anyone has really reviewed the FFU wiki docs provided by ops thus far however 09:18:58 lyarwood: link? 09:19:30 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fast_forward_upgrades here you go 09:19:34 https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fast_forward_upgrades 09:19:36 yeah 09:19:39 #link https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Fast_forward_upgrades 09:20:23 ok - I'll try grab some time between now and next week to take a bit of a review 09:20:33 maybe transform that into an Upgrades wiki 09:20:56 awesome 09:21:51 cool, I'll also try 09:22:29 me too 09:22:34 great - have the slight complication of a charm release to deal with as well but #team can always backfll for me 09:22:57 #action lyarwood, lujinluo, jamespage: review current upgrade docs before summit session next week 09:23:08 speaking of which 09:23:16 #topic Plans for summit session next week 09:23:57 ohh, Jimmy puts us as presentation. But do we want to do it like a presentation or discussion? 09:24:10 discussion I think 09:24:19 agree 09:24:25 however I think there is also an upgrade war stories type session right? 09:24:37 * jamespage checks 09:24:45 there were a couple of upgrade related sessions/discussions this time 09:25:01 i believe there are 2 FFU specific discussiones 09:25:36 so I see 09:25:38 well I have a presentation on Thursday 09:25:49 I wasn't aware of any FFU forum sessions tbh 09:25:49 erik is moderating those 09:25:53 * lyarwood likely missed something 09:25:59 #link https://www.openstack.org/summit/vancouver-2018/summit-schedule/global-search?t=upgrades 09:26:02 yeah 09:26:14 ah 09:26:20 yeah I missed these 09:27:27 ok so do we need a seperate SIG or should we just fold into those sessions? 09:28:00 I suspect if we'd moved on more with the formation of the SIG we'd be a bit more organised with the operator community 09:28:32 yeah, as we've not made any progress since PTG I'd fold into these sessions if possible 09:28:47 +1 09:28:51 there could be room for a standalone upgrade (N to N+1) session as well 09:29:06 but there's no point in repeating things for FFU 09:30:13 so maybe rename our Upgrades SIG to 'Rolling Upgrades BOF'? and ask for a fishbowl setting? 09:30:30 and one of us should reach out to erik to coordinate things a bit more 09:30:39 +1 09:30:59 I didn't mean we should replace/rename the SIG, just try to bring erik in for the FFU part 09:31:18 I'm stepping away from FFU after this summit anyway 09:31:29 so it would be useful to have him or someone else lead/own it 09:31:41 we can reach to him and aslo talk about that at the summit 09:32:00 it'd be good to have an operator on board too 09:32:05 agreed 09:32:32 lyarwood, sad to hear that you are moving away from FFU 09:32:59 is it possible that you can attract/invite people who are still working on FFU in TripleO to the SIG? 09:33:10 lujinluo: can you go back Jimmy and get us a fishbowl session 09:33:16 ? 09:33:24 we might be to late but worth a try 09:33:28 sure, i will send him an email right away. 09:33:46 #action lujinluo ask for fishbowl for forum session 09:34:15 I'll track down Erik and invite him to participate a bit more directly in the SIG 09:34:39 #action jamespage - invite erik m to help with SIG formation and discuss at Forum 09:34:42 I'll get the TripleO folks more involved as well 09:34:47 lyarwood: thanks 09:34:53 #action lyarwood - reach out to the TripleO upgrades squad 09:34:59 thanks 09:35:11 does that just about cover things for today? 09:35:41 i think we haven't decided on the agenda in summit, or did i miss it? 09:36:03 Hmm no not really 09:36:05 other than 09:36:09 SIG formation update 09:36:19 Fast Forward Upgrades progress 09:36:29 Rolling Upgrades Discussion 09:36:33 or something like that 09:36:43 I think we can do that in a Pad between now and then 09:36:52 ok 09:37:13 will update the pad if i come up with anything 09:37:30 lujinluo: do we have one already? 09:37:40 specifically for the forum session? 09:37:43 not yet 09:37:53 #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/vancouver-forum-upgrades-sig 09:37:59 there we go :-) 09:38:09 ;) 09:38:12 right then - so we need a bit of an agenda between now and next week 09:38:18 I'll discuss with Erik as well 09:38:24 cool 09:38:31 I think we can probably call that a wrap 09:38:35 #endmeeting