09:03:24 #startmeeting upgrades_sig 09:03:25 Meeting started Mon Apr 15 09:03:24 2019 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is jamespage. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 09:03:26 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 09:03:29 The meeting name has been set to 'upgrades_sig' 09:03:50 morning all - I see a few openstack-charmers here for the upgrades-sig meeting - any others? 09:04:35 nope ok this might be a quick one then! 09:04:42 #topic Ops Feedback 09:05:02 objective for this topic is for operators to discuss current pain points 09:05:10 but as we don't have any here.. 09:05:18 #topic Deployment Project Updates 09:05:35 fnordahl: want to say anything on behalf of the openstack-charms project here? 09:05:40 anything new? 09:05:57 We are on the verge of releasing the OpenStack Charms 19.04 09:06:45 There will be new features one of them being support for deploying OpenStack Stein on Bionic. 09:06:45 \o/ 09:07:09 More details to be announced as part of our documentation in the charm-guide and deployment-guide 09:07:36 thanks - upgrades from rocky of course! 09:07:44 #topic Knowledge Sharing 09:08:21 not sure we'll have anything here today; I have been looking at optimising the restart logic for openvswitch in Ubuntu to minimise downtime during package upgrades 09:08:37 however that is WIP and probably won't be mature until 20.04 09:08:59 anything else for the knowledge sharing section 09:09:01 ? 09:09:34 We have hit some challenges with the migration to Python 3.7 on Ubuntu Disco 09:10:05 I'm brewing up some changes to the charm layer ``layer-basic`` to help tackle them 09:10:33 There may not be anyone in the meeting right now who can answer this but I'd be interested if anyone has experience of running clouds for a long period with mixed OpenStack releases > I've upgraded half my compute nodes to N+1 but left the other half at N sort of thing. 09:10:44 ack - thanks that's a good headsup for +12 months when that's the default python3 version - I know coreycb and others have been enabling and fixing issues across projects 09:10:59 gnuoy: I think that's a good question 09:11:44 I did a bit mixed, not compute, but network/compute for a while 09:12:05 it was xenial-queens for neutron-gateway and bionic-rocky for the rest of the cloud 09:12:16 sample size of one but it did basically just work 09:12:24 ack, thanks 09:13:47 There is upcoming support in juju for something called generations, basically version control for your juju models 09:14:05 That will probably lead to more people running mixed versions as part of upgrades etc 09:14:54 I would expect that to be somewhat transitory 09:15:09 anyway - I'll document in the meeting notes as a question - might get a response on the ML 09:15:22 ok next 09:15:23 #topic Docs Updates 09:15:30 I don't think we have any of those right now 09:15:36 SIG is a bit stale recently 09:15:40 #topic Open Discussion 09:15:47 anyone for anything else? 09:15:55 not from me 09:16:06 nor me 09:16:06 Nope 09:16:34 ok lets wrap then 09:16:36 #endmeeting