17:02:53 <jcoufal> #startmeeting UX
17:02:54 <openstack> Meeting started Mon Jul  7 17:02:53 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes.  The chair is jcoufal. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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17:02:57 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'ux'
17:03:06 <jcoufal> Hello everybody
17:03:25 <jcoufal> First of all I have to apology, I need to leave in 30 min, but feel free to continue afterwords without me
17:03:36 <jcoufal> agenda: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/UX
17:03:47 <jcoufal> #topic Meeting alternating times
17:04:06 <jcoufal> So last meeting we didn't have many attendees
17:04:16 <jcoufal> so it looks that the alternating times are confusing
17:04:37 <jcoufal> especially with bi-weekly occurance
17:05:12 <jcoufal> therefore there was suggestion to keep the meetings regular, on Mondays this time, every other week
17:05:54 <jcoufal> with this we can put into the meetings some regularity
17:06:18 <jcoufal> do you all agree? or is there anybody against this proposal?
17:06:25 <lblanchard> +1
17:06:35 <rbertram> I think it's a usability enhancement
17:06:40 <rbertram> +1
17:06:45 <david-lyle> +1
17:06:52 <kadenceA> +1
17:07:14 <jcoufal> general agreement, nice
17:07:32 <jcoufal> so next meeting will be in 14 days, the same time as this one
17:08:03 <jcoufal> #topic Wireframes review tool
17:08:27 <jcoufal> Adi couldn't make this meeting, but is there anybody who can give update on the progress here?
17:08:29 <lblanchard> I left my feedback in the etherpad…does anyone have the link?
17:08:36 <jcoufal> jackib probably?
17:08:51 <jackib> nope
17:08:55 <jackib> it's not on the meeting page
17:08:57 <jcoufal> https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/uxtools
17:11:06 <jcoufal> Alright, it looks there are still just 2 given options, with some feedback left
17:11:15 <jcoufal> if nobody has any updates...?
17:11:45 <jackib> I don't have anything
17:12:16 <jcoufal> then I wll need to sync with Adi to see what's going on there
17:12:45 <jcoufal> #topic Faceted Search
17:13:06 <jcoufal> last meeting we discussed this briefly but within smaller audience so we punted the topic to this meeting
17:13:31 <jcoufal> there is quite old blueprint for this: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/horizon/+spec/faceted-search
17:13:42 <jcoufal> but recently started by Travis
17:14:17 <jcoufal> The goal is to provide rich powerful search engine for Horizon
17:14:45 <jcoufal> and the question is - Is anoyone in the UX group actively working on this? Has anyone given feedback in the past on it from a design perspective?
17:14:57 <lblanchard> I have not been actively working on this...
17:15:03 <david-lyle> so the work in that bp is dependent on a limited amount of meta-data that will be stored in glance in the future
17:15:19 <jcoufal> Is anybody interested in helping and designing here?
17:15:28 <david-lyle> that's not the short term answer or perhaps even the long term
17:16:32 <jcoufal> david-lyle: does that mean that until Glance supports this, we cannot do anything in Horizon, right?
17:17:04 <david-lyle> I would like to see a concept that incorporates current API capabilities
17:17:28 <david-lyle> and include the meta-data queries once available
17:17:44 <jcoufal> did Travis moved somehow forward with that? Do you know about some initiative?
17:18:40 <david-lyle> Travis started work on this before the summit, there was a grander architecture in mind, but the scope changed
17:18:57 <david-lyle> so a giant db of all things in openstack isn't going to happen
17:19:23 <david-lyle> what the graffiti work has become is storing meta-data definitions in glance
17:20:47 <jcoufal> alright, I guess we should wait with some UX designs until some architecture concept is done first
17:21:32 <david-lyle> jcoufal: it would be beneficial to work on the UX of search based on API capabilities
17:21:51 <lblanchard> would an ideal search on table design be helpful?
17:21:54 <david-lyle> that's an accomplishable goal and would still be a great improvement
17:21:56 <lblanchard> Would it help drive requirements?
17:22:59 <david-lyle> lblanchard: I think designing to use current API capabilities and how to improve upon that to drive development
17:23:06 <david-lyle> would be highly useful
17:25:35 <david-lyle> lblanchard: so yes, as long as it builds on what's currently available
17:25:55 <david-lyle> capabilities wise, not current implementation wise
17:27:48 <lblanchard> david-lyle: okay thanks
17:28:23 <lblanchard> jcoufal: unfortunately I don't have cycles currently to take this on…maybe keep it on the agenda to ask…or maybe we just need a blueprint for UX around it?
17:28:36 <jcoufal> alright, I think we will get back to this topic at least one more time
17:29:01 <jcoufal> #topic Open Discussion
17:29:12 <jcoufal> now it's time for any agenda you have on top of your mind
17:29:24 <jcoufal> any question, feel free to ask or to point to something
17:29:27 * zehicle side note - if you are looking for Refstack.  we're on -alt
17:29:36 <david-lyle> launch instance?
17:30:04 <david-lyle> I don't feel like we have a solid plan forward on improving the launch instance flow
17:30:06 <jcoufal> I am sorry I need to leave now, but please don't get disturbed and continue
17:30:24 <david-lyle> jcoufal: add lblanchard as a chair so she can end the meeting
17:30:28 <jackib> Cedric and Maxime are setting up some usability testing for later this month
17:30:47 <jcoufal> david-lyle: you know how to add a chair?
17:30:52 <jackib> testing the version Maxime did and potentially some mocks for another option
17:30:54 <david-lyle> #chair lblanchard
17:31:04 <jcoufal> #chair lblanchard
17:31:05 <openstack> Current chairs: jcoufal lblanchard
17:31:09 <jcoufal> that was easy :)
17:31:12 <david-lyle> _1
17:31:14 <david-lyle> +1
17:31:21 <jcoufal> thanks, I will still be around though
17:31:31 <jcoufal> have a great day all and thank you for participation
17:31:35 <lblanchard> :)
17:31:58 <lblanchard> alrighty…anyone have anything else around faceted search?
17:32:42 <david-lyle> jackib: I feel the current proposed improvements are a bandaid of sorts, I think something more drastic is necessary
17:32:53 <david-lyle> but I may have missed some points in the conversation
17:33:15 <jackib> well…I agree but I think doing some testing will prove that…and then give us a reason to change that design
17:33:21 <lblanchard> oh sorry we are already on open discussion :) Some chair I am!
17:33:25 <jackib> rather than starting over
17:34:45 <david-lyle> jackib: I don't have a grand idea for it, so I'm in favor of incremental improvement, but I don't know that it will get us all the way there
17:35:01 <david-lyle> but can improve the experience in the interim
17:35:21 <lblanchard> jackib, david-lyle: yeah, I agree…since there has been work done to improve it already by some folks maybe we can do the testing and drive even more changes based on testing feedback
17:35:28 <lblanchard> ones that feel less like bandaids?
17:35:37 <jackib> that's kinda what I was thinking
17:36:03 <jackib> I think we revisit after the testing - put the results out there and get feedback on proposed solutions
17:36:25 <jackib> I'd like the testing to happen sooner, but I'm not doing the planning :)
17:37:57 <david-lyle> I'm going to play with a more visual workflow, if I can ever find the time
17:38:08 * david-lyle won't ever find the time :(
17:38:35 <jackib> hmmmm….if you elaborate on what you mean I could give you a hand
17:38:51 <Toshi> I feel like from implementation point of view, if it is provided more like general UI component, that'd be great.
17:39:02 <david-lyle> just thinking about building the instance out of the elements almost topographically
17:39:20 <Toshi> Is it only for instance view?
17:40:37 <Toshi> I mean is it re-useable for other UI?
17:41:12 <david-lyle> Toshi: nowhere near that far yet, maybe the framework
17:41:41 <david-lyle> I may be off in left field, let me try to work through it a bit more
17:42:00 <david-lyle> at least wireframe it
17:44:10 <Toshi> david-lyle: got it
17:44:13 <david-lyle> Like a lot of things in Horizon, I just feel like we can paint a better picture than we are now to help the user understand the relationship amongst the components
17:44:43 <david-lyle> Toshi: I think the network topology is a great example
17:44:59 <david-lyle> thanks for that :)
17:45:58 <Toshi> david--lyle:Thanks, grad to hear that :)
17:46:37 <lblanchard> any other topics?
17:48:41 <lblanchard> sounds like that's all I guess...
17:49:22 <lblanchard> thanks everyone…I believe our next meeting will be in two weeks on Monday the 21st
17:49:43 <jackib> bye! ;)
17:49:48 <Toshi> Thanks!
17:50:06 <david-lyle> lblanchard: #endmeeting
17:50:13 <lblanchard> #endmeeting