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17:03:10 <tjones> alright - i am assuming we suspend BP discussion until after hong kong?
17:03:40 <tjones> listens for comments
17:04:17 <tjones> from the thunder of comments - i assume agreement ;-)
17:04:21 <garyk> tjones: i guess we could discuss them a icehouse is open.
17:04:29 <garyk> sorry, i am slow today
17:04:44 <tjones> ok lets spend some time there then
17:04:52 <tjones> #topic blueprints
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17:05:02 <tjones> argh
17:05:44 <tjones> anyone have a favorite BP for discussion?  #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmwa
17:05:53 <tjones> #undo
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17:06:00 <tjones> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware
17:06:01 <uvirtbot> tjones: Error: "link" is not a valid command.
17:06:28 <tjones> im getting all sorts of errors from virtbot on my commands btw….  ignoring it
17:06:29 <danwent> mmm… let's just move forward without commands.  not sure what is going on
17:06:55 <vuil> I wanted to ask if there is already one about glance supporting vm templates
17:07:33 <garyk> vuil: i think https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/deploy-vcenter-templates-from-vmware-nova-driver
17:07:37 <danwent> vuil: was talking to gary about this
17:07:39 <vuil> there is a vmware specific one
17:07:39 <tjones> *looking* - i thought there was - here it is https://blueprints.launchpad.net/glance/+spec/hypervisor-templates-as-glance-images
17:07:47 <tjones> looks like we have a couple
17:08:06 <garyk> i think that we both worked on the first patch set that was posted by Kiran. It was stopped due to the H feature freeze.
17:08:08 <danwent> I think we may want to step back and look at the whole images issues more generically.   Arvind is working on putting together a PRD around this.
17:08:27 <tjones> ok good - when do you expect that to be available?
17:08:44 <garyk> danwent: great.
17:09:09 <danwent> tjones: initial proposal should be before the summit
17:09:29 <danwent> so we at least have some idea of what we want to do moving forward
17:09:35 <tjones> danwent: there are a few BP having to do with image handling
17:09:50 <garyk> tjones: i am also trying to investigate ways that we can improve our caching. this may be related to what dan has mentioned above. so it may all be under the same umbrella
17:09:55 <danwent> want to make sure we have a holistic approach that covers things like cache management, leveraging array capabilities, etc.
17:10:19 <danwent> and multiple v-centers, which the template approach doesn't handle well
17:10:48 <tjones> ok great.  Besides the large area of image handling, are there other BP we need to discuss?
17:11:04 <vuil> we need to take another look at the ovf support as an option for something like multi-vc
17:11:52 <tjones> danwent - would arvind be covering that as well?
17:12:21 <danwent> tjones: yes, arvind will be point person for organizing discussions around all things images
17:12:26 <tjones> excellent
17:13:04 <tjones> other BP topics?
17:13:47 <tjones> ok moving on to bugs (not using commands).  Favorite bugs for discussion?
17:14:38 <garyk> today i found one that i need to open
17:15:13 <tjones> here's the link to today's report http://paste.openstack.org/show/48148/
17:15:25 <garyk> when one restarts the nova compute service the vms on the esx are not matched with this registered in the database
17:15:27 <tjones> garyk: go ahead and then we can talk about the report
17:15:49 <tjones> just a restart - not a re-stack?
17:16:21 <garyk> just a restart. a restack is ok as the db is empty
17:16:47 <tjones> and this is in havana?
17:16:48 <garyk> i'll post it later with all of the information
17:16:57 <garyk> it is in all versions
17:17:01 <tjones> ugh
17:17:14 <garyk> i actually discovered it with the backports that i did for stable/grizzly
17:19:23 <tjones> ok that's a bad one - please pass on the # when you have it.  Now going on to our current bugs - of the 15 open - 12 need +1 reviews.  Non-core folks, please spend some cycles on review this week
17:19:34 <garyk> tjones: it would be nice if the link that you posted could have the title of the bug. that would make it easier to understand
17:19:57 <tjones> sure - i can add that.  the 2nd section does show the title as well
17:20:06 <garyk> that would be great
17:20:19 <tjones> they are the same bugs ordered differently
17:20:31 <garyk> regarding https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1227825 - datastore selction.
17:20:34 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1227825 in openstack-vmwareapi-team "datastore selection bug - fills first disk only" [Critical,In progress]
17:21:52 <garyk> i think that this was regarded as a feature and that is why is was not part of the release candidate.
17:22:09 <tjones> i thought russellb was considering it?
17:22:35 <garyk> i also thought the same.
17:22:51 <tjones> it has havana-rc-potential tag
17:23:19 <tjones> thanks for picking it up btw - we have 3 +1 on it
17:23:20 <garyk> ok, great.
17:23:56 <tjones> could use a few more eyes but i think it's ready to go if we get a rc opening
17:24:28 <tjones> any other bugs for discussion?
17:26:32 <tjones> we do have another rc potential bug - it's the grizzly regression https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1193980
17:26:35 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1193980 in nova "Regression: Cinder Volumes "unable to find iscsi target" for VMware instances" [High,In progress]
17:27:24 <tjones> that has 5 +1 and is ready for core reviewers
17:27:34 <garyk> yeah, that is a critical one
17:28:09 <tjones> garyk - the other one that i have as critical for havana is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41977/
17:28:54 <garyk> i backported that the the rc2 candidae. it was −2'ed as the version is not yet open. at the moment it is not clear when russellb will open this.
17:29:21 <tjones> looks like it merged!
17:29:33 <tjones> ah - into master
17:29:55 <tjones> ok - so those are the 3 rc2 candidate bugs we have.  anything else?
17:30:38 <tjones> ok lets take a look at bug triage then http://goo.gl/pTcDG
17:30:56 <garyk> i think that https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1235022 could be a candidate (there is a work around though)
17:30:57 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1235022 in nova "VMware: errors booting from volume via Horizon" [High,In progress]
17:31:18 <garyk> bascially if a volume that is not vda is used then it causes all kinds of havoc.
17:31:44 <tjones> is that what ryan ran into during stress testing?
17:32:08 <tjones> what's the work around?
17:33:24 <garyk> tjones: not exactly sure how ryna found it
17:33:54 <garyk> the work around is to do the attachment via the cli and not horizon. the user should also select vda as the volume and sdb
17:35:14 <tjones> so ugly but could be documented.  Do we think this is a common use case - boot from volume?
17:35:37 <tjones> danwent: that's probably a question for you
17:36:04 <garyk> it is something that we should definitley back port. this may not make the rc
17:36:16 <danwent> yeah, i agree with gary
17:36:24 <danwent> we should make sure to backport it, but it doesn't seem like a blocker for RC
17:36:38 <tjones> ok  - you have already added backport to it.  so i'll leave it alone
17:36:48 <danwent> tjones: we need to be collecting items like this to include in "release notes"
17:37:06 <danwent> if we end up having a chance to slip it into an RC, great, but not a huge deal
17:37:11 <tjones> danwent: do we have a release note tag for bugs
17:37:35 <danwent> tjones: that's a good question for those in the community.  i'm not aware of a standard within openstack
17:38:04 <tjones> ok - i'll add it to my list of actions (since i can't use the action command)
17:39:08 <tjones> back to triage - we still have 2 waiting for responses and 1 (speanw 40 vms) that is undecided.  http://goo.gl/pTcDG  Im guessing that's a high prio
17:39:34 <tjones> i can't set the prio
17:39:42 <garyk> i think that this one is under investigation. it is concerning
17:40:18 <tjones> vuil: i think you are looking at this one?
17:40:21 <vuil> I just confirmed the last one and assigned to me. We are looking at gathering more instrumentation wrt to NFS locking behavior
17:40:22 <garyk> tjones: i think taht you need to join thenova bugs group and then you can set. let me try and dig up the link
17:40:53 <tjones> garyk: found it
17:41:03 <garyk> tjones: https://launchpad.net/~nova-bugs
17:41:07 <vuil> https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1230047 I am talking about
17:41:11 <uvirtbot> Launchpad bug 1230047 in nova "VMware: spawning large amounts of VMs sometimes causes errors" [Undecided,Confirmed]
17:42:08 <tjones> ok i marked it high and left the milestone alone
17:42:25 <tjones> ready to talk backports or any other bug discussion?
17:43:08 <garyk> i think that we are at a very importnat stage where testing should be our top priority at the moment
17:43:38 <garyk> the more coverage we get the better our understanding of the rc canditae will be
17:44:12 <tjones> so we talked about having a day where we all try to break the rc candidate.  create a simple test plan and we all bang on it.  lets talk a little more about how we would go about doing this
17:45:08 <tjones> (thanks to garyk our backport situation is good and we can skip that discussion)
17:45:14 <tjones> ideas?
17:45:17 <garyk> :)
17:45:44 <garyk> tjones: maybe we can decide on test day
17:46:13 <garyk> that is, we all hang out on irc and discuss tests, problems etc.
17:46:37 <garyk> an example for this is a fedora test day. there are a lit of instructures for people and then we can follow those
17:47:08 <tjones> that works, but i'd like it to be slightly more scripted…  oh ok i have not seen that.  can you send out a link?
17:47:10 <garyk> i guess we can take it offline to draw up the outline and hopefully the community will also engage
17:47:24 <garyk> i am looking. give me a sec
17:47:28 <tjones> ok lets you and i discuss offline - action ;-)
17:47:54 <garyk> tjones: here is an example - http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Test_Day:2012-09-18_OpenStack
17:48:21 <tjones> we can send something out.  but i would like to do this next week - so if we find something catstro we may be able to fix it
17:49:02 <garyk> ok. sounds good
17:49:05 <tjones> garyk: this is great!
17:49:21 <tjones> ok anything else we need to discuss - now we are at "open discussion"
17:49:58 <tjones> i just want to reiterate and ask non-core folks to spend some cycles in review
17:51:16 <tjones> *listening*
17:52:11 <tjones> going once….
17:52:46 <garyk> i'll be happy to get to sleep a few min earlier tonight ;)
17:53:10 <tjones> ok with that we will end. :-)  thanks all for joining.  "talk" to you next week
17:53:13 <tjones> #endmeeting