17:00:21 #startmeeting vmwareapi 17:00:22 Meeting started Wed Oct 29 17:00:21 2014 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is tjones. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:00:24 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:00:27 The meeting name has been set to 'vmwareapi' 17:00:34 hi 17:00:36 hi folks 17:00:41 Bonjour 17:00:50 Bonjour!! 17:01:08 this is one of the five words that I know in french 17:01:12 we could hold this meeting in french but i would only be able to say a few words 17:01:33 parles vou angleas (pardon my spelling) 17:01:45 my 1 sentence 17:01:56 good thing arnaud is not here yet 17:02:00 lol 17:02:06 so only 3 of us today? 17:02:09 o/ 17:02:15 gary is lurking 17:02:19 I will ping him 17:02:31 o/ 17:02:52 hi thangp and tflower. will we see you in person next week? 17:02:52 hi 17:02:54 o/ 17:03:04 yes 17:03:15 hi mateescu too 17:03:16 Hi, unfortunately no :( 17:03:25 ok lets get started (bummer tflower) 17:03:28 looking forward to some french toast :) 17:03:40 and pomme frittes! 17:03:43 * mdbooth_ waves 17:03:46 #topic BP 17:03:47 https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/nova-specs+message:vmware,n,z 17:03:56 Dims will be there and let me know about all the croissants I'm missing 17:04:05 so specs under review is in that link 17:04:28 rado im really excited about the console/vnc changes you are proposing. 17:04:54 tjones: thanks, I will try to reach agreement with the core team about the API 17:04:56 will you take some time to speak with jogo and johnthetubaguy about their ideas? 17:04:58 That's in danger of scope creep 17:05:20 can I help? 17:05:22 this is a really important improvement cause our vnc is completely bad 17:05:39 johnthetubaguy: this is about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/127283/ 17:05:47 johnthetubaguy: i was hoping than rgerganov can connect with you about ^^ 17:05:51 next week 17:06:08 yeah, we can discuss in person at the summit 17:06:24 cool 17:06:30 do you want an unconference slot? 17:06:43 johnthetubaguy: not really sure what this is :) 17:07:05 tjones: are we going to have a VMW slot at the design summit? 17:07:11 rgerganov: basically 10 mins to pitch your idea and discuss with everone 17:07:12 like the last summit 17:07:22 Hopefully only needs 30 minutes max with the right people 17:07:45 so I disagree about scope creep, I think that is the wrong concern 17:07:46 rgerganov: we ditched those, so unconference the bits you want people to talk about 17:07:48 rgerganov: im hoping we do on friday. it's not part of the official schedule this time - 17:07:52 I think these should be two blueprints though 17:08:12 jogo: yeah, its more "fix the api", extent the "api" 17:08:21 johnthetubaguy: yup 17:08:24 bad api stuff is very expensive to fix 17:08:41 and it just gets more expensive later 17:08:50 sorry if you get stuck with extra work, its just a case of it being the third thing, and we spot a pattern that needs fixing 17:09:08 its our bad for not spotting the previous addition 17:09:22 so sounds like we need an unconference slot for this. How do we go abuot getting one? 17:09:22 yup 17:09:23 addition(s) 17:09:33 I just added you: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-nova-summit-unconference 17:09:37 thanks! 17:09:43 ok, great 17:10:07 ok lets move to the next one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/126866/ 17:10:12 we might have to vote about what to cover 17:10:38 kanagaraj is not here 17:11:08 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128691/ 17:11:27 tflower: did you rebase as jogo recommended? 17:11:32 tjones, yes I rebased 17:11:51 I don't actually see the ova support blueprint in the list 17:11:53 thanks - guys we need more reviews on this - only jogo has reviewed it. 17:12:04 and mine depends on it 17:12:22 that has merged 17:12:26 it is accepted 17:12:44 these are the unaccepted specs 17:12:57 can people here take some time this week to review this BP? 17:12:58 ah, so the other one is already accepted 17:12:59 spec 17:13:43 the last one #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128697/ is blocked on a cinder spec 17:13:58 tjones: that's correct 17:14:15 but also needs more eyes from this team 17:14:23 I got a few comments from Duncan about the minimum interface a cinder driver should implement 17:14:45 looks like VMware RDM does not support extending disks though, according to Vipin 17:15:16 is there another way to do it? 17:15:56 tjones:by getting down to the underlying storage protocol (FC or iSCSi) 17:16:18 but my proposal was trying to avoid exactly that and use the VMware abstractions for RDM, regardless of th eprotocol 17:16:53 ok so it looks like you have some work to do there before the nova spec is likely to land. Just trying to prioritize people's time 17:17:06 I need to look up more and see if there's any other way to achieve this while still keeping it protocol agnostic 17:17:13 anything else about *unapproved* specs? 17:17:46 I have a blueprint for implementing console logs 17:17:54 but I think that it doesn't need a spec 17:18:06 oh - i am confused about what does and does not need a spec 17:18:19 there was a wiki page about this 17:18:20 sec. 17:18:56 i'll educate myself after this meeting 17:19:02 http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/devref/kilo.blueprints.html#when-is-a-blueprint-needed 17:19:07 lets move on to blueprints 17:19:13 #topic blueprints 17:19:21 https://blueprints.launchpad.net/openstack?searchtext=vmware 17:19:39 tjones: The advice I heard recently is that nothing needs a spec. However, things without a spec may be rejected on the basis of their design. A spec allows you to get approval on the design before writing code. 17:20:05 rgerganov: why don't you go 1st. you have some legacy work and some new work. can you update us and do you need any help? 17:20:13 the line between a spec and a bp is very fin. i really do not understand it 17:20:57 tjones: sure. I am currently resuming the vSAN work that Vui has started 17:21:22 there are some issues wrt image transfer which were raised by jaypipes 17:21:38 I am currently working to address them 17:22:07 and also #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/vmware-console-log 17:22:15 right 17:22:25 so in Juno I have tried to implement this with serial ports 17:22:28 with file backing 17:22:46 and it was not accepted because there is no way to limit the file size which could lead to security issues 17:23:10 funny - there is a VERY old bug about other drivers that do this 17:23:11 now I am proposing to implement this using serial ports with network backing 17:23:45 tjones: correct 17:23:58 looks like you john g is asking for more into in the BP 17:24:20 yes, I will update it shortly 17:24:59 the down side is that this will require one more process for handling the network traffic 17:25:06 this will not make k-1 in this state - it's status is not started, etc. will you be able to do that before the summit? would be good to get it closer and we can perhaps talk about it with core folks 17:25:26 ok, will do 17:25:33 anything else rgerganov? 17:25:36 nope 17:25:47 ok garyk how about your stuff? 17:26:01 it is all in review at the moment 17:26:18 great! 17:26:31 i still need to do some work on resize of the ephemeral disks - need to see how it mixes with block devies 17:26:41 hopefully that will be done tomorrow or by end of the week 17:26:44 anyone else have an BP for discussion? 17:26:49 which is one and the same here :) 17:27:00 :-D 17:27:22 we need to get jogo to see if you saw comments that rgerganov added to the cpu allocations patch 17:27:31 i will try and catch him tomorrow 17:27:39 that is blocking the spbm bp 17:27:48 do you have a link handy? 17:28:19 sec 17:29:20 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128931/ 17:30:10 looks close 17:30:22 yeah, just need jogo 17:30:43 ok looks like we are done with BP 17:30:59 #topic open discussion 17:31:03 anything else? 17:31:04 garyk: Well danpb already gave you a +2 on that. I came down in the middle. I didn't really feel like it was a substantive issue. 17:32:05 end early? 17:32:19 Do we have plans for our own informal meetup at the summit? 17:32:34 we have not discussed it - lets do it now :-) 17:32:38 yeah, each person brings a $100 and we drink till it is finished 17:32:41 where and when? 17:32:42 lol 17:32:44 somewhere with beer 17:32:46 LOL 17:33:04 ok wed evening somewhere with beer? 17:33:13 just tossing that out there 17:33:17 * mdbooth_ hasn't seen the evening schedule, yet 17:33:25 But potentially any evening other than Monday works 17:34:14 tjones: Do you mind being the central point of communication? 17:34:23 mdbooth_: no that is fine 17:34:47 why don't we put our email on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/VMwareapi-kilo so i have an easy way to communicate? 17:34:50 * mdbooth_ is fine with a evening of beer :) 17:35:36 tjones: Do you want to add a section for it? 17:35:41 just did 17:35:43 at the end 17:36:00 Got it 17:36:28 ok i think we are done 17:36:34 Ok 17:36:34 *listens* 17:36:38 cool. have a good one and travel safe 17:36:45 you too 17:36:47 c ja 17:36:50 #endmeeting