14:00:39 <acabot> #startmeeting watcher 14:00:39 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Oct 19 14:00:39 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is acabot. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:00:40 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 14:00:42 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'watcher' 14:00:45 <acabot> o/ 14:00:47 <tmetsch> hi 14:00:49 <edleafe> \o 14:00:49 <sballe_> o/ 14:01:00 <licanwei> hi 14:01:06 <hvprash_> hi 14:01:09 <Yumeng> hi 14:01:23 <acabot> my team is on coffee brea :-) lets wait 2 minutes before starting 14:01:47 <sballe_> :-) 14:01:47 <acabot> agenda for today https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Watcher_Meeting_Agenda#10.2F19.2F2016 14:01:48 <hidekazu_> is this watcher meeting? 14:01:54 <acabot> hidekazu_ : yes 14:01:59 <jed56> hi 14:02:08 <hidekazu_> thanks. 14:02:18 <alexchadin> Hi 14:02:31 <acabot> #topic Announcements 14:02:33 <hidekazu_> hi, i am new. 14:02:42 <alexchadin> Welcome! 14:02:47 <acabot> hidekazu_ : yes, could you introduce yourself ? 14:02:50 <Yumeng> welcome! 14:03:03 <hidekazu_> i am from NEC. 14:03:13 <hidekazu_> from tokyo. 14:03:21 <acabot> hidekazu_ : great 14:03:31 <hvprash_> welcome hidekazu_ ! 14:03:31 <jed56> welcome hidekazu_ 14:03:40 <licanwei> welcome 14:03:41 <vincentfrancoise> o/ 14:03:43 <dtardivel> hi 14:03:51 <sballe_> hi 14:03:52 <acabot> hidekazu_ : do you plan to be in Barcelona next week for the openstack summit ? 14:03:57 <dtardivel> hidekazu_: welcome 14:04:07 <hidekazu_> acabot: yes. 14:04:30 <sballe_> cool 14:04:34 <acabot> perfect, so we will be able to join us and discuss NEC use cases ? 14:04:35 <hidekazu_> i will attend watcher sessions. 14:05:24 <acabot> #info summit agenda is now finalized #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/watcher-ocata-design-session 14:05:26 <hidekazu_> we are proposing our customer now. but i do not have detail yet. 14:05:54 <hidekazu_> if i will have, we can discuss. 14:06:14 <sballe_> cool hidekazu_ waht company are you working for? 14:06:20 <acabot> hidekazu_ : ok feel free to join watcher sessions and complete the etherpad if there is a specific topic you would like to discuss 14:06:32 <acabot> sballe_ : NEC 14:06:42 <hidekazu_> scabot: thanks. 14:06:51 <sballe_> thx 14:07:14 <acabot> I dont have any other announcement as all teams are focused on summit next week 14:07:24 <acabot> I hope you are all ready to travel ;-) 14:07:30 <hidekazu_> i'm just studying watcher from this month. 14:07:51 <acabot> ok 14:08:00 <acabot> #topic Review Action Items 14:08:13 <acabot> we have a lot of specs in review right now 14:08:19 <Yumeng> hidekazu_: maybe we can discuss, i just started last month 14:08:25 <acabot> which is a great thing as we are starting the Ocata cycle 14:08:31 <sballe_> +2 14:08:57 <hidekazu_> yumeng: great. 14:09:01 <acabot> but we will need more involvements from core spec team in the next few weeks 14:09:27 <acabot> I would suggest to have additional working sessions in Barca to review specs 14:09:33 <sballe_> ok. I started reviewing new specs 14:09:34 <diga> o/ 14:09:46 <acabot> sballe_ : if you can schedule them with at least jwcroppe & hvprash ? 14:09:52 <hvprash_> thats a good idea. will have working session for the specs 14:10:25 <acabot> hvprash_ : but please do it outside of Watcher working sessions as agenda are full now 14:10:26 <sballe_> acabot: good idea ... Also everybody please remeber that everybody can review and+1 the spec . This make life easier for the spec cores when we see a lot of +1s for a spec 14:10:39 <acabot> +1 14:10:44 <hvprash_> sure acabot 14:10:59 <acabot> so lets move on specs 14:11:05 <sballe_> ok 14:11:07 <alexchadin> I am trying to review some of them 14:11:08 <acabot> Specs for watcher-notifications-ovo has been merged 14:11:11 <vincentfrancoise> Same goes for code reviews ;) 14:11:15 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/384370/ 14:11:33 <acabot> vincentfrancoise : yes ;-) 14:11:50 <acabot> automatic triggering of action plans for AUDIT needs final reviews from core 14:11:56 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ 14:12:28 <acabot> diga : I wrote a comment because some comments were "DONE" but actually weren't 14:12:42 <diga> acabot: ok 14:13:15 <acabot> diga : and its tiring for reviewers to resubmit comments 14:13:39 <sballe_> +1 14:13:57 <acabot> diga : can you please fix last comments today ? 14:14:12 <acabot> diga : I'd like to have your spec reviewed and merged by EOW 14:14:21 <diga> acabot: yes, I will do right now 14:14:30 <acabot> diga : thx 14:14:43 <acabot> #action diga fix last comments for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ 14:14:57 <diga> acabot: wc 14:15:07 <acabot> #action sballe_ jwcroppe hvprash_ final review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/342473/ 14:15:25 <acabot> scale out or delete instance based on workload needs a new PS 14:15:38 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/359690/ 14:16:05 <acabot> Yumeng : you answered comments without submitting a new PS 14:16:49 <acabot> Yumeng : I'm fine with that but please try to improve your spec with comments instead of just answering comments in comments.... 14:16:54 <Yumeng> acabot: yep. i want to resubmit after discussion with you. 14:17:18 <acabot> Yumeng : in this case please ping me on IRC 14:17:40 <Yumeng> acabot: ok! thx! 14:18:03 <acabot> Specs for watcher-versioned-objects needs reviews 14:18:09 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383718/ 14:18:22 <acabot> who wants to review it ? 14:18:24 <sballe_> acabot: I will review all the specs before EOW 14:18:29 <hvprash_> same here 14:18:38 <Yumeng> +1 14:18:53 <acabot> #action sballe_ hvprash_ Yumeng review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/383718/ 14:19:04 <acabot> Specs for audit-versioned-notifications-api needs reviews 14:19:11 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385077/ 14:19:45 <acabot> vincentfrancoise : do you want to update a new PS before reviews ? 14:20:34 <vincentfrancoise> acabot: the code is pretty much ok, so you can start the review 14:20:47 <acabot> #action sballe_ hvprash_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385077/ 14:20:58 <acabot> Define grammar for workload characterization needs reviews 14:21:05 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ 14:21:14 <hvprash_> based on discussion with sballe_ I am making more changes. but feel free to review 14:21:27 <acabot> hvprash_ : I assume you are still working on it 14:21:30 <hvprash_> yes 14:21:40 <hvprash_> with sballe_ 14:22:12 <acabot> as there are many reviews open, please complete it as much as you can and then we will ask for reviews 14:22:27 <hvprash_> ok, will do 14:22:32 <sballe_> same here 14:22:33 <acabot> #action sballe_ hvprash_ complete the spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/377100/ 14:22:42 <acabot> Define when an action plan is stale/invalid needs reviews 14:22:49 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/ 14:23:13 <acabot> licanwei : I assume we can start reviewing it 14:23:27 <licanwei> yes 14:23:32 <dtardivel> +1 14:23:45 <acabot> #action sballe_ hvprash_ jwcroppe review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/ 14:24:01 <acabot> #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/386293/ 14:24:13 <acabot> Add improvements to the planner and workflow mechanisms needs reviews 14:24:19 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ 14:24:31 <acabot> alexchadin : is this ready to be reviewed ? 14:24:41 <alexchadin> acabot: it is 14:25:01 <acabot> #action sballe_ hvprash_ jwcroppe acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ 14:25:30 <acabot> as sballe_ said, I put actions on core reviewers but every contributor can review specs 14:25:31 <alexchadin> I want to hear your opinion:) 14:25:46 <acabot> alexchadin : about your spec ? 14:25:49 <alexchadin> yeap 14:26:15 <dtardivel> I will review it as well 14:26:20 <acabot> alexchadin : ahaha, I started reviewing it then I stopped because I will need more time to understand it ;-) 14:26:47 <acabot> #action dtardivel review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/385871/ 14:27:00 <alexchadin> acabot: it is hard blueprint so we need to implement it partially 14:27:15 <acabot> alexchadin : yes I agree, its a tricky one 14:27:25 <acabot> moving to Watcher 14:27:33 <acabot> #info Audit Scope Handler & Service supervisor have been merged 14:27:37 <acabot> thx alexchadin ! 14:27:50 <alexchadin> No problem :D 14:27:50 <acabot> our 2 first BPs for Ocata ! 14:28:06 <sballe_> nice 14:28:17 <alexchadin> thanks to my reviewers:) 14:28:48 <vincentfrancoise> alexchadin: well done :) 14:29:07 <hvprash_> very nice ! 14:29:11 <acabot> #info Strategy doc template has been merged 14:29:25 <acabot> so now no excuse to not document a new strategy ! 14:29:33 <acabot> #link https://github.com/openstack/watcher/blob/master/doc/source/strategies/strategy-template.rst 14:30:02 <alexchadin> Already working on doc for workload-stabilization 14:30:12 <acabot> alexchadin : great 14:30:39 <acabot> sballe_ : would you be interested in documenting Intel strategies ? 14:30:58 <acabot> sballe_ : with the template its pretty straightforward 14:31:13 <sballe_> yes I can do that 14:31:42 <acabot> #action alexchadin add doc for workload stabilization strategy 14:31:53 <acabot> #action sballe_ add doc for Intel strategies 14:32:14 <acabot> #action brunograz add doc for workload consolidation strategy 14:32:27 <acabot> watcher versionned objects needs reviews 14:32:33 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-versioned-objects 14:33:22 <acabot> dtardivel & vincentfrancoise are working in pair to improve it but anyone wants to review this ? 14:33:51 <acabot> watcher notifications ovo needs reviews 14:33:59 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-notifications-ovo 14:34:18 <acabot> there is some doc to review at least 14:34:20 <diga> [] 14:34:31 <acabot> diga : ? 14:34:43 <licanwei> +1 14:34:46 <diga> acabot: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/license-cost-aware-vm-placement 14:35:08 <diga> acabot: you can continue, just I want to discuss about this BP in today's call 14:35:24 <diga> acabot: once review topic is over 14:35:24 <acabot> diga : please add it to open discussion in the agenda 14:35:31 <diga> acabot: okay 14:35:50 <acabot> #action licanwei acabot review https://review.openstack.org/#/q/status:open+project:openstack/watcher+branch:master+topic:bp/watcher-notifications-ovo 14:35:58 <acabot> Graph cluster model implementation needs a jenkins fix 14:36:05 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/ 14:36:19 <acabot> tmetsch : can you fix it ? 14:36:25 <tmetsch> on it - had some flu/colds stop us from preossing 14:36:53 <acabot> ok, who wants to review this patch when jenkins pass ? 14:37:28 <dtardivel> +1 14:37:33 <sballe_> add me 14:37:48 <acabot> #action dtardivel sballe_ review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/362730/ 14:37:55 <acabot> Added Tempest API tests for /scoring_engines needs reviews 14:38:02 <acabot> #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371558/ 14:38:27 <acabot> alexchadin & dtardivel : can you do a quick review on this one ? 14:38:36 <alexchadin> acabot: will do 14:38:41 <dtardivel> +1 14:39:07 <acabot> #action dtardivel alexchadin review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/371558/ 14:39:15 <acabot> #topic Blueprint/Bug Review and Discussion 14:39:32 <acabot> #info our current milestone target is Ocata-1 due November 14th 14:39:39 <acabot> #link https://launchpad.net/watcher/+milestone/ocata-1 14:39:52 <acabot> all our BPs are assigned 14:40:13 <acabot> diga : did you start implementing automatic triggering ? 14:40:44 <acabot> licanwei : did you start implementing action plan stale/invalid ? 14:41:05 <licanwei> next week 14:41:05 <acabot> just to update launchpad status before the summit 14:41:15 <acabot> licanwei : ok 14:41:28 <licanwei> i have meeting this week 14:41:33 <acabot> ok 14:41:57 <acabot> hvprash_ : I suppose that grammar implementation has not started yet ? 14:42:11 <hvprash_> correct, its not started yet 14:42:50 <acabot> I will add a topic in the agenda to postpone BPs to ocata-2 as some will not be ready by November 14th 14:43:03 <acabot> #action acabot add a topic in the agenda to postpone BPs to ocata-2 14:43:16 <acabot> status for Write Tempest CLI tests for Watcher CLI 14:43:23 <acabot> #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-watcherclient/+spec/tempest-cli-test 14:43:42 <acabot> alexchadin : is Peter still working on this ? 14:44:01 <alexchadin> acabot: No, I can take it 14:44:14 <acabot> ok please do 14:44:28 <acabot> #action alexchadin take the BP https://blueprints.launchpad.net/python-watcherclient/+spec/tempest-cli-test 14:44:42 <acabot> #topic Open discussions 14:44:51 <acabot> 15 minutes left 14:45:06 <acabot> we already talked about strategy doc 14:45:12 <acabot> diga : the floor is yours 14:45:13 <hvprash_> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/audit-tag-vm-metadata 14:45:18 <hvprash_> oops sorry 14:45:48 <acabot> hvprash_ : yes, I have added this BP to discussion at the summit, it will be a lot easier to discuss it face 2 face 14:46:09 <hvprash_> awesome thx.. this bp is important for us to roll out watcher in prod 14:46:36 <acabot> hvprash_ : I assumed it can wait for one more week ;-) 14:46:50 <hvprash_> yes :) 14:47:06 <hvprash_> just wanted remind for discussion 14:47:45 <sballe_> acabot: who decide and what do we need to do if we decide to add it for acata 14:47:48 <acabot> hvprash_ : will be discussed at Workroom session - Friday October 28th - 11am - 12.30am - Ocata priorities & roadmap 14:48:27 <hvprash_> btw, is the rooms confirmed for our sessions ? 14:48:39 <acabot> sballe_ : I think Ocata cycle is almost full now with 22 BPs https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/ocata 14:48:51 <acabot> hvprash_ : yes I will add them 14:48:55 <hvprash_> thx 14:49:02 <acabot> #action acabot add rooms in the agenda 14:49:08 <sballe_> yes please 14:49:43 <acabot> sballe_ : if we want to add a feature for Ocata, we should discuss the manpower that will be involved on it before moving it in the cycle 14:50:15 <acabot> sballe_ : we have a lot of medium priority BPs 14:50:48 <acabot> sballe_ : so if the VM metadata makes more sense for Watcher, we can remove a medium BP from the cycle 14:50:49 <sballe_> acabot: agreed but gven tah hvprash_ is leading this he will have to priotize his resources 14:51:05 <acabot> sballe_ : I hope so ! 14:51:22 <hvprash_> yes sballe_ 14:51:38 <hvprash_> i will have a developer joining my team shortly 14:52:13 <acabot> for example https://blueprints.launchpad.net/watcher/+spec/limit-concurrent-actions should probably be moved to the Pike cycle but you need to double check with jwcroppe 14:52:24 <hvprash_> and if so he can own some of these 14:52:56 <sballe_> acabot: I was thinking the same 14:53:00 <acabot> as an advice, I would say "please try to keep around 20 BPs in Ocata" 14:53:27 <sballe_> ok we will :-) 14:53:38 <acabot> we did 14 in Newton and the Ocata cycle is shorter ! 14:53:45 <sballe_> Do ouy want us to haveyou there remotly? 14:54:21 <acabot> sballe_ : no idea about my availability next week :-) so I will let you know later 14:54:54 <acabot> as I'm in the same timezone, I will try to be available during working sessions 14:54:56 <sballe_> ok np. 14:54:59 <alexchadin> Have to leave 14:55:10 <sballe_> acabot: that's waht I was thinking 14:55:13 <alexchadin> Thank you all! Will be happy to see you on next week! 14:55:19 <sballe_> +2 14:55:23 <vincentfrancoise> +2 14:55:23 <jed56> +2 14:55:23 <acabot> diga : what about your nova BP ? 14:55:25 <hvprash_> +2 14:55:26 <dtardivel> alexchadin: yep 14:55:32 <diga> acabot: yes 14:55:35 <sballe_> jed56: did you see my email to you? 14:55:38 <hidekazu_> see you next week. 14:55:48 <diga> acabot: its about license cost aware placement ? 14:55:50 <jed56> sballe_: yes 14:56:03 <acabot> diga : yes and ? 14:56:05 <diga> https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/license-cost-aware-vm-placement 14:56:35 <diga> after provisioning the VM on different Hypervisors, we can shift the VM accordingly 14:57:14 <diga> like windows VM can be moved from ESXi to HyperV (DC licence) so that we can save money for that much licences 14:57:30 <acabot> ok so you want to build a strategy related to licences cost ? 14:57:37 <sballe_> diga: this is already implementd in nova 14:57:38 <diga> yes 14:57:48 <diga> sballe_: okay 14:58:01 <diga> sballe_: Is that like the same thing ?? 14:58:16 <diga> sballe_: I am not aware about it 14:58:21 <jed56> sballe_: I can access to the slides, I'm going to update them with acabot. 14:58:23 <sballe_> it doesn't move it afterwards but places it on the right nodes with the license 14:58:49 <diga> yeah, but I am planning after placement 14:58:53 <sballe_> the issue is that as soon as you land a VM somwhere MS will want you to have a license for it even if you move it later 14:58:56 <acabot> having a Watcher strategy to reduce these costs could be a good idea 14:59:11 <diga> yes 14:59:23 <sballe_> so even if you consolidate later you will still have ti pay for the license 14:59:32 <sballe_> this is why we did it on inital placement 14:59:42 <acabot> sballe_ : ok in this case its useless... 14:59:51 <sballe_> agreed this is why I mention it 15:00:00 <sballe_> at least for MS 15:00:04 <diga> no sballe_, we can save money if we move VM on DC license in case of Windows 15:00:10 <sballe_> not sure if it is useful for other licenses 15:00:10 <acabot> I have to end the meeting 15:00:20 <diga> ok 15:00:24 <acabot> could you please continue the discussion on watcher channel ? 15:00:28 <sballe_> ok diga let's discuss next week 15:00:29 <diga> okay 15:00:30 <acabot> #endmeeting