19:58:59 <diablo_rojo> #startmeeting women_of_openstack
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19:59:32 <diablo_rojo> I'll give a few more min for people to show up :) How was everyone's holidays ?
20:00:28 <diablo_rojo> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_Agenda_Tracker Today's Agenda
20:01:41 <diablo_rojo> spotz, how was your Christmas & new years?
20:02:33 <spotz> diablo_rojo: Had friends over for Christmas dinner but otherwise quiet. You?
20:03:21 <diablo_rojo> Spent a lot of Christmas with Patricks family. NYE was  super relaxed- legos, games, and netflix.
20:03:41 <diablo_rojo> I just got back from a quick trip to MN so I still got to see my parents and what not.
20:03:56 <SWDevAngel__> Hi
20:04:02 <diablo_rojo> Hello SWDevAngel__ :)
20:04:08 <SWDevAngel__> Happy New Year1
20:04:13 <SWDevAngel__> Oops Year!
20:04:21 <diablo_rojo> Happy new year to you too :)
20:04:54 <diablo_rojo> #topic Announcements
20:05:02 <diablo_rojo> Anyone have anything they want to share?
20:05:06 <diablo_rojo> Events coming up?
20:06:12 <diablo_rojo> The women in tech meetup group is having a Women in Cloud Summit here in Seattle in a couple of weeks.
20:06:29 <SWDevAngel__> We're doing a lot of cool Kata Containers stuff out here in the SF Bay. Intel is doing a hands-on training and I hope to do an intro meetup this month too! :)
20:06:38 <diablo_rojo> If anyone is interested in that, I can pass along the details.
20:06:45 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, when is the hands on training?
20:07:07 <spotz> Wish I could go, still holding out hope for the PTG
20:07:24 <diablo_rojo> Oh yes, the PTG is in a month and a half.
20:07:48 <diablo_rojo> spotz, you can apply for TSP if things aren't looking so bright.
20:08:07 <spotz> And first officially Diversity WG meeting is next Monday, email to follow
20:08:10 <diablo_rojo> We just closed round 1, but we are doing a second round.
20:08:10 <SWDevAngel__> @diablo_rojo The lab is on Jan 24. Hope to do a meetup prior.
20:08:20 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, cool. Good to know.
20:08:31 <diablo_rojo> Any other events people know of?
20:09:29 <SWDevAngel__> Container World is here at the end of Feb. Gonna be a fun one! I'm on the advisory board, so if you have any questions or want to participate, let me know .:)
20:09:53 <diablo_rojo> Oh cool :) Wearing so many hats.
20:09:55 <SWDevAngel__> Here = SF Bay, btw. Santa Clara to be specific
20:10:04 <SWDevAngel__> I know.... my head is on a swivel! Urgh!
20:10:12 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, you and me both.
20:10:20 <spotz> SWDevAngel__: SF and even Austin have been conference hot beds the last 2 years
20:10:28 <SWDevAngel__> Yep! I know! You gotz your hands in everything! :)
20:10:39 <diablo_rojo> #topic WOO @ PTG
20:10:54 <SWDevAngel__> Oh I LOVE LOVE LOVE the conferences in Austin! Great town y'all got going there! :)
20:10:56 <diablo_rojo> So, spotz you're not sure if you are going.
20:11:13 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, you are helping run a container conference.
20:11:15 <diablo_rojo> I am going :)
20:11:18 <SWDevAngel__> Although, sleeping in my own bed (and drinking wine from my own cellar) is pretty unbeatable! ;)
20:11:21 <diablo_rojo> Swimingly, will you be at the PTG?
20:11:34 <spotz> Yeah we'll see as always
20:11:40 <diablo_rojo> PagliaccisCloud, will you be there? Or TxGirlGeek ?
20:11:43 <Swimingly> diablo_rojo: it seems pretty unlikely
20:11:44 <SWDevAngel__> I help run LOTS of "containery things." :)
20:12:02 <diablo_rojo> Swimingly, funding? Or just not much need to go?
20:12:07 <PagliaccisCloud> ptg? ... maybe?
20:12:10 <PagliaccisCloud> probably
20:12:26 <diablo_rojo> PagliaccisCloud, that would be cool :)
20:12:41 <Swimingly> diablo_rojo: it's a funding/travel commitment issue is my understanding
20:13:29 <diablo_rojo> Swimingly, you can still apply for TSP if you want to go. We have another week or two before the cutoff.
20:13:40 <diablo_rojo> I can get you the link if you are interested.
20:13:49 <Swimingly> diablo_rojo: sure!
20:14:10 <diablo_rojo> I bring up the PTG cause we are going to do another WOO event, probably another happy hour type of thing like last time.
20:14:33 <diablo_rojo> I know I had a lot of fun and I think it would be a cool thing to make part of the routine.
20:14:45 <spotz> And ghost tours....:)
20:14:52 * diablo_rojo looks for tsp link for Swimingly
20:15:04 <Swimingly> nice! I'd certainly like to go, and who knows, we do our best planning at the last minute here :)
20:15:22 <spotz> #link https://www.openstack.org/ptg#tab_travel
20:15:32 <diablo_rojo> #link https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/travelsupportptg_dublin TSP Application
20:15:46 <diablo_rojo> Swimingly, I am all too familiar with that :)
20:15:54 * diablo_rojo hasn't booked dublin flights yet either
20:16:09 <spotz> diablo_rojo: Now that's your own fault!
20:16:36 <diablo_rojo> spotz, I was mostly waiting till Jan 1st so I can get credit towards the medallion waiver using my Delta Amex
20:16:43 <diablo_rojo> I digress :)
20:17:27 <diablo_rojo> More details to come on the happy hour as we get closer. I will also start a list of women who will be at the PTG so if you find out you are going, please add your name when you see the list!
20:17:41 <diablo_rojo> #topic State of the Union of WoO Mentoring
20:17:48 <diablo_rojo> ekhugen_alt, around?
20:18:28 <diablo_rojo> I added this to the agenda because I had a really interesting lunch chat at KubeCon with the K8s organizer of their mentoring stuff.
20:18:56 <diablo_rojo> She said that she read through all of our Upstream Institute Training and used that for inspiration.
20:19:24 <spotz> Yeah I know the speed mentoring that's been going on has all been based off ours
20:19:28 <diablo_rojo> Essentially their program is organized into cohorts rather than 1x1.
20:19:41 <diablo_rojo> Which I think is a great idea.
20:19:56 <diablo_rojo> You have like 3 mentors to 10 mentees all with similar goals in the same cohort.
20:20:22 <diablo_rojo> That way if a mentor goes on vacation or changes jobs we don't need to panic about finding a new match right away.
20:20:34 <diablo_rojo> Thoughts on any of this?
20:20:38 <SWDevAngel__> @Diablo_rojo who runs the K8s mentoring program?
20:20:52 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, Paris... last name is slipping my mind.
20:20:56 <diablo_rojo> Hello ellopunk :)
20:21:06 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, let me go look really quick.
20:21:22 <spotz> If all the goals are similar that can definitely help, if they're too diverse we still need to allow for some 1 to 1s for thoose
20:21:33 <spotz> Isn't the Sarah diablo_rojo?
20:21:34 <diablo_rojo> spotz, yeah that makes sense.
20:21:50 <diablo_rojo> Paris Pittman
20:21:55 <diablo_rojo> spotz, Sarah?
20:22:11 <spotz> Novotny(sp?)
20:22:13 <diablo_rojo> annabelleB, and I had lunch with her and she was awesome.
20:22:16 <SWDevAngel__> I think she means Novotny. She runs the WHOLE team, so yeah, it's probably under her
20:22:40 <diablo_rojo> spotz, oh yeah she is involved with all of that too, the mentoring specifically is Paris's brain child
20:22:50 <SWDevAngel__> Cool. Do you know if she's based here in Mt. View or Sunnyvale (CA)? Just curious.
20:24:10 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, that sounds right, but I can't be sure. Maybe annabelleB remembers?
20:24:24 <annabelleB> Ummmm….
20:24:35 <annabelleB> for some reason i feel like neither
20:24:46 <diablo_rojo> Was it portland or something?
20:24:56 <annabelleB> I can find out
20:24:58 <diablo_rojo> I dont think she was from Austin..
20:25:09 <annabelleB> sorry, we’re talking about Paris, not sarah n?
20:25:16 <diablo_rojo> annabelleB, correct
20:25:16 <SWDevAngel__> Okay, no worries. Just curious. I can ask Sarah too.
20:25:21 <SWDevAngel__> Yes, Paris
20:25:54 <annabelleB> But yes, I liked how she organized their mentoring. It seems really efficient
20:26:19 <diablo_rojo> Anywho, I think it would be a better model than the current one we have. Easier to maintain. New mentees come in, we drop them in the correct cohort and mentors can just stay put unless they want to switch topics.
20:26:30 <annabelleB> +1
20:26:33 <diablo_rojo> It could kind of be more ongoing.
20:27:02 <diablo_rojo> Not sure how that would work with irc...could maybe do new channels? Something to think about for sure.
20:27:04 <SWDevAngel__> I think it's a good idea. Redundancy is good in these types of things. They can be time consuming and people burnout.
20:27:21 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, truth. I agree 100%
20:27:25 <SWDevAngel__> Another QQ. Are we still using this: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_1_8_18  ( Saw a note on the Tracker that maybe it's too much of a pain to keep up an additional Etherpad.
20:27:43 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, going to just do all the agendas in the tracker etherpad.
20:27:48 <SWDevAngel__> (And sorry if this was already discussed.)
20:27:54 <SWDevAngel__> Got it. Makes sense
20:27:59 <diablo_rojo> I linked at the start of the meeting, but it might have been a min before you showed up :)
20:28:08 <SWDevAngel__> yep, and the thread didn't backfill.
20:28:09 <diablo_rojo> #link https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_Agenda_Tracker Agenda
20:28:17 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, no worries :)
20:28:19 <SWDevAngel__> yep got it. already contributed. ;)
20:28:30 <diablo_rojo> Oh cool :) I see you now.
20:28:53 <SWDevAngel__> I sort of assumed that was the case, but wanted to check. (See, I *do read your stuff! ;)
20:28:55 <diablo_rojo> I will post an idea to the ML about the mentoring proposal but I thought I would get introductory thoughts here first.
20:29:05 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, much appreciated :)
20:29:17 <diablo_rojo> #topic Woman of the Month
20:29:18 * SWDevAngel__ smiles
20:29:41 <diablo_rojo> So this was an idea that I had to kind of generate content for these meetings.
20:29:58 <diablo_rojo> We are all at different points in our career paths and have all taken different routes to get here.
20:30:17 <diablo_rojo> I thought it would be cool to start doing a topic focused on one woman each meeting.
20:30:43 <diablo_rojo> And you could ask her about her skills/how she does stuff/her workflow/what she got her degree in/what her plans are.
20:30:44 <diablo_rojo> Etc.
20:31:20 <diablo_rojo> Could also do this as a super user sort of thing I suppose? Or as a podcast (our next meeting topic- more deets in a bit on that).
20:31:20 <SWDevAngel__> Wow. Interesting idea. BUT - is IRC a great medium for that? Maybe something like a Reddit or chatroom style of app?
20:31:32 <spotz> I like but with questions being sent ahead of time so there's not lag time/cross typing
20:31:57 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, yeah I wasn't 100% sure about IRC for that either.
20:32:08 <SWDevAngel__> Podcast could be cool
20:32:10 <diablo_rojo> spotz, thats true, could make a list before and then just add whatever other questions come to us
20:32:18 <spotz> We kind of did something similar one year at the Working Breakfast.. Austin maybe?
20:32:36 <SWDevAngel__> or even etherpad. Something you can kind of jump around in. We've even used Twitter for crowd chats like that
20:38:50 <diablo_rojo> spotz, you are correct :) My first summit & my first talk :)
20:38:50 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, twitter would be cool. I have always liked the idea of that.
20:38:50 <spotz> :)
20:38:50 <spotz> Or I hate to say it..... the conference line?
20:38:50 <SWDevAngel__> @spotz it does have its advantages! :)
20:38:50 * SWDevAngel__ remembering the dayz when we used to do this meeting in 30 mins! LOL!
20:38:50 <diablo_rojo> Not for non native english speakers ;) But overall yes it does.
20:38:50 <SWDevAngel__> true.
20:38:50 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, I could have sped through the agenda in less time, but I am trying to get people more involved ;)
20:43:35 <diablo_rojo> bots back
20:43:59 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, would you be interested in being in a podcast?
20:44:02 <SWDevAngel__> Sorry, had to take a quick call. I'm back.
20:44:47 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, no worries.
20:44:48 <SWDevAngel__> Okay - just a note, we did do a couple of presentations on the CFP thing on this meeting over the past 2 years. I believe they were recorded . I did one with Beth and there was one already before that. Might be useful to point people to
20:44:54 <SWDevAngel__> Having said that , I don't know where they are
20:45:21 <SWDevAngel__> But yes, happy to help, and yes, certainly can talk to running a meetup group
20:45:25 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, ha ha yeah I would look back through those if you can find links to them.
20:45:35 <diablo_rojo> Anyone have other ideas for podcasts?
20:45:55 <SWDevAngel__> Although, I think I've done 4 or 5 of that presentation at various Summits also over the past 2 years, with Gary, Tassoula, John S, Kenneth, at different times. Also could point people to those. :)
20:46:03 <annabelleB> I know the topic of how to not get “managed out” of engineering came up at the Sydney luncheon
20:46:55 <annabelleB> I think you hear that story a lot from women—being pushed into a managerial path when they really want to continue up engineering—so maybe we could find someone in engineering leadership and someone in career development to speak to that?
20:47:10 <SWDevAngel__> @Diablo_rojo I can definitely find links to the summit presentations. Austin, Barcelona, Sydney, and OS Days NY were all recorded.
20:47:20 <diablo_rojo> annabelleB, that would be super cool.
20:47:39 <annabelleB> add it to the list and i’ll take the action item to start digging for those people
20:47:50 <diablo_rojo> annabelleB, can do
20:48:03 <diablo_rojo> Was gonna start an etherpad for podcast organization info/planning
20:48:19 <SWDevAngel__> Another idea for a podcast could be around embracing adjacent technologies (certainly in meetups).
20:48:42 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, good idea. Can do one about OPNFV- I am sure ildikov could help us with that one.
20:48:46 <SWDevAngel__> Integrating OpenStack, etc. Like Edge, Containers, Networking, IoT, AI, etc
20:49:16 <SWDevAngel__> YES, she'd rock that! We did a TheCUBE episode together on that! (Also recorded)
20:49:22 <diablo_rojo> k8s, OPNFV
20:50:09 <diablo_rojo> Cool, so two solid ideas plus the current in progress one- enough to fill Q1 if we do one a month.
20:50:19 <diablo_rojo> Alright, so last, but not least:
20:50:27 <diablo_rojo> #topic Open Discussion
20:50:53 <ildikov> diablo_rojo: SWDevAngel__: happy to look into it if it's not for right now as I'm super overloaded atm :)
20:50:56 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, wanna share your topic?
20:51:19 <diablo_rojo> ildikov, its far enough down the road that you don't need to worry about it for a while
20:51:24 <diablo_rojo> I can poke you when it gets closer.
20:51:25 <SWDevAngel__> Just reminding people to VOTE for the Ind Dir Board spots. :)
20:51:41 <ildikov> diablo_rojo: sounds good, tnx
20:52:06 <diablo_rojo> #link https://www.openstack.org/election/2018-individual-director-election/ General Info about Election
20:52:14 <SWDevAngel__> (And no, despite @Mordred's nudging, I did NOT run! ;)
20:52:26 <diablo_rojo> #link https://www.openstack.org/election/2018-individual-director-election/CandidateList Candidates for Election
20:52:52 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, ha :)
20:53:56 <SWDevAngel__> But I did like his tweets about it. Think about who should be represented. Not the big corps, because while important, they already ARE represented with the Gold and Plat spots. Think about the folks who contribute in all different areas, and are NOT paid to do it by any company.
20:54:21 <SWDevAngel__> that type of thing
20:54:34 <SWDevAngel__> @Diablo_Rojo thanks for the links. :)
20:54:35 <diablo_rojo> SWDevAngel__, I am gonna have to go find and retweet that one.
20:54:41 <diablo_rojo> We need to do that for ALL elections.
20:54:49 <SWDevAngel__> Check out @e_monty's feed.
20:54:50 <diablo_rojo> Board, TC, PTL.
20:55:02 <diablo_rojo> Will do!
20:55:10 <diablo_rojo> Anyone else have other things they want to discuss?
20:55:11 <SWDevAngel__> He has a whole string... :)
20:56:13 <SWDevAngel__> Ummm.... the National Championship?
20:57:01 * SWDevAngel__ gotta get rolling on my EPIC snack preparation! :)
20:57:15 * SWDevAngel__ #WinePairingsAndAll
20:57:26 <spotz> Yeah Monty's tweet was really good, retweeted it
20:57:29 <diablo_rojo> Ha ha alright. I think I can end the meeting then.
20:57:36 <diablo_rojo> Have a wonderful week everyone!
20:57:41 <diablo_rojo> Look for my emails!
20:57:43 <SWDevAngel__> Cheers! Thanks Kendall!
20:57:50 <diablo_rojo> #endmeeting