20:00:12 #startmeeting wos_mentoring 20:00:13 Meeting started Wed Sep 28 20:00:12 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:14 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' 20:00:26 #topic SpeedMentoring 20:00:44 hi, who's here for women of openstack mentoring? 20:00:50 Hi 20:00:56 Hi MeganR 20:01:06 I think aimeeu said she'd be late 20:01:39 and I think Carol is out this week 20:01:52 ah, yes 20:02:02 ildikov are you here? 20:02:58 we'll give people a few more minutes 20:03:10 sure 20:03:11 thanks for volunteering to send the follow up surveys meganr 20:03:20 Hi Dlynch! 20:03:28 hello 20:03:54 we're giving people a few minutes to gather, Carol's out this week and Aimee said she'd be late 20:04:26 ekhugen: no problem, I need to circle back regarding the mentors with matches that fell through, so this will work in sync. 20:05:08 cool, fyi when I send out emails I try to make sure of two things: 20:05:22 1. I put [openstack] [mentoring] in the subject 20:05:34 2. use bcc for everyone to avoid reply all storms 20:05:55 excellent points - who do you want bcc'd on these? 20:06:04 oh the whole list I put in bcc 20:06:14 ok, cool 20:06:26 I don't think I did that last time :) 20:06:45 it's not bad for small groups, but I think there are like 92 email addresses in that group 20:06:55 so that could get painful if someone does a reply-all :-) 20:07:33 okay, I think it's just the three of us at this point 20:07:45 about the only thing I have for speed mentoring is the call for mentors 20:08:05 kendall really nicely sent out the general call for mentors to a couple listservs 20:08:37 it was great, I forwarded it two my team, and think 2 of them have signed up 20:09:14 but I'm thinking we want to do a specific call for mentor for Speed Mentoring. Ask them if they're interested in that to put it in the additional information about themselves 20:09:48 Meganr I was hoping diablo_rojo would be in the meeting today, I don't have the link yet to the new spreadsheet for the new survey 20:10:00 but that's great, at least we know we have two signups :-) 20:10:04 yes, that is a good idea, Andrew Mitry has already asked me about the speed mentoring and I would like to send that out to our team attending the summit 20:10:22 yes - and you can let me know if they cause any grief! :) 20:10:26 one is my boss!! 20:10:33 lol I'm sure they won't :-) 20:10:51 ekhugen: hi, I'm here, sorry for being late 20:11:15 does anyone else want to send out the call for mentors for speed mentoring? I think it should go to WOS and the general listserv 20:11:20 hi ildikov 20:11:45 and then maybe we can also pass it around our companies, if we know of people who will be at barcelona 20:12:51 oh hi diablo_rojo_phon 20:12:57 Hello :) 20:13:05 we were just talking about the new mentoring survey, thanks so much for sending that out! 20:13:13 No problem :) 20:13:18 is there a new google docs spreadsheet that those results are going into? 20:13:29 I had some bounces for a few of the ML that I'm not apart of. 20:13:43 Yes there is. I can get you that link after the meeting. 20:13:56 okay cool, thanks! 20:14:27 If anyone is in a ML other than WoO or Dev could they forward it out? 20:14:46 sure, I can forward to the openstack general one 20:15:55 I'll also do the separate call for mentors for speed mentoring, we should also probably mention the need for mentors at upstream too 20:16:04 right ildikov, you're still looking for about 10 for that? 20:16:32 ekhugen: we have about 35 people registered so far according to my last info 20:16:37 we have 50 as a limit 20:16:58 I'm not sure when you started to reach out to people before the earlier trainings 20:17:08 just to get an idea how many will finally show up 20:17:43 I think we actually started earlier for austin, but this is basically a month before 20:17:45 so if we would make it up to 50 then 10 mentors/helpers would really be needed 20:18:06 we didn't have a that good show up rate for Austin IIRC 20:18:07 do mentors for upstream need to RSVP for the upstream event 20:18:19 I don't know how we can do a better job to predict now 20:18:38 I don't think so 20:18:43 did they ever had to? 20:18:57 I'm not sure if that was clear for austin 20:19:47 but okay, I will send out a mentors needed for austin events call, and ask them to put in either (or both) speed mentoring or upstream university in the additional information field 20:19:59 I will ask how big the room is, but it sounds odd to me 20:20:14 ekhugen: that sounds great 20:20:38 ekhugen: as I told you earlier we have current;y 19 people interested in the mentoring program too 20:20:38 anything else to talk about with the calls for mentors or the speed mentoring event? 20:21:00 yes, can you reach out to them and let them know about the new signup form, please? 20:21:49 you mean that those students should sign up on the new form for the mentoring program? 20:22:20 if they're interested in long term mentoring, then yes, I think they should sign up for that on the new form 20:22:42 ok, I will reach out to those people separately then 20:22:58 we probably won't match them until after the summit though 20:23:08 just because we still have a backlog of other mentees to match 20:23:19 do they need to mark anywhere there that they're signed up for the upstream training? 20:23:56 ekhugen: if you cannot match them before the training then we might do the registration with them there 20:24:04 but well, both works for me 20:24:11 okay, that works too, whichever is easier for you 20:24:28 I just don't want to flood people with too many mails 20:24:31 :) 20:24:53 if you have time at the end of the training and want to point them to the form, that might work best 20:25:07 just to avoid confusion, but I'll give it another tought later and let you know 20:25:21 okay thanks 20:25:36 also we might get more attention and dedication if we do that at the end of the training 20:25:47 ekhugen: thanks! 20:25:56 and we would only get people who had really been through upstream training, which is good too 20:26:23 I think this covers speed mentoring and upstream training, anything else for either of those topics? 20:26:31 ekhugen: yeap, that can be beneficial also 20:27:17 #topic Follow up survey 20:27:50 diablo_rojo_phon very nicely got the follow up survey ready https://openstackfoundation.formstack.com/forms/mentoring_feedback_survey 20:27:58 and meganr volunteered to send it out 20:28:18 so I think we're set there, any questions/comments about it? 20:29:06 this meeting is going fast, nice :-) 20:29:13 :) 20:29:15 #topic Graduation plan 20:29:33 I think there was a bit of a discussion last week about this when I was out 20:30:23 reading the logs I thought the discussion more focused on the follow ups than on what we should make the plan 20:30:27 do I have that right? 20:30:43 sorry, I was also out last week 20:31:31 I think we had talked about a couple prong approach to graduation 20:31:51 1. surveys to find out who's still meeting/if things ended prematurely 20:32:08 2. graduation criteria for helping mentees realize when they're ready to be on their own 20:32:38 3. a time limit on mentoring in the case that the relationship doesn't reach a natural conclusion 20:32:46 do people agree with those? 20:33:02 I agree 20:33:34 so I think we have #1 down 20:33:55 we've talked about #2 a bit, but we haven't put anything out on the wiki page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mentors 20:34:43 so does anyone want to pull together some of the ideas of how a mentor/mentee should know when they're ready to graduate and how to end a relationship appropriately? 20:35:57 ekhugen hiya 20:36:05 hi annegentle 20:36:15 ekhugen I'm late to the discussion, was the idea of a time limit (year or six months) brought up? 20:36:39 yes, so that was the kind of third prong of our graduation approach 20:37:02 ekhugen ah, ok, not phases but prongs basically 20:38:00 ekhugen I'm not sure a mentee ever needs to be "on their own" I guess... what's the intent, setting and meeting goals? 20:38:22 yes, we wanted to give some guidelines and criteria that maybe then a mentee/mentor could decide "we want the relationship to go until I get to this point" 20:38:36 ekhugen ok that makes sense 20:38:47 which I think someone suggested maybe one point would be that a mentee feels like they could be a mentor themselves 20:39:02 ekhugen yeah we definitely want that happening! :) 20:39:03 but beyond that, if it doesn't reach that point naturally, then a time limit makes sense 20:40:20 so I don't know if maybe DLynch, you've written up some nice docs for the surveys, do you think you could take a stab at writing up some graduation criteria? 20:41:28 ekhugen I will write a para for the wiki 20:41:38 okay, thanks annegentle 20:41:44 I can take a look. to be honest I'm at a lost with this one but let me think about it. Is that ok? 20:41:58 sure, I think if you go back in the etherpad, we've had some suggestions on this 20:42:05 DLynch how about you read what I write, and edit as needed -- are you "watching" the wiki page? 20:42:05 we've just never really gathered them up 20:42:49 yep I'm watching :) 20:43:24 cool, thanks Dlynch and annegentle! 20:43:47 and so what do we think for a timeframe for the outer limit of a mentoring relationship? 1 year? is that too long? 20:44:18 Would 6 months be more realistic? 20:44:37 summit to summit is about right whether goals are technical or career related 20:44:53 release to release, both about six months 20:44:58 annegentle: +1 20:45:08 or project teams gathering to PTG? 20:45:09 I agree, summit to summit 20:45:13 maybe six months with the option to renew for another six? 20:45:33 do we need to set a "no longer than" timeline? 20:45:34 okay, so do we want to adjust the program so we only put out new matches before summits or PTGs? 20:45:53 ekhugen what's your cadence currently for matching? 20:46:13 ekhugen and based on incoming requests what is pragmatic? 20:46:16 ekhugen: I think that would be logistically easier 20:46:16 right now we'd been matching as new mentors came in, since we had a backlog of mentees 20:46:42 but that was more just because we were trying it out 20:47:15 ekhugen how deep is the backlog nowadays? 20:47:24 doing 4 matches a year would be easier, and it would probably be good for mentees/mentors too, so they'd know when to expect to get matched 20:47:35 on the technical side, around 30 mentees 20:47:40 ekhugen yeah if you don't mind air quotes deadlines :) 20:47:46 I think we're keeping up on the career side 20:47:53 that seems like good cadence to me 20:48:20 okay, yes, that definitely makes sense (and eliminates a bunch of guilt I feel in weeks when I don't check the spreadsheet) 20:49:09 ekhugen all for that :) 20:49:10 I'll add to the wiki page when the next matching is set to take place, I'll aim for October 20, since it's right before the summit? 20:49:29 ekhugen as a deadline, sure 20:50:14 anything else on graduation plans? 20:50:54 ekhugen none from me 20:51:05 thanks everyone that was a really productive discussion 20:51:23 #topic Open 20:51:45 We have 9 minutes left, any other topics? 20:52:19 Do we have stats somewhere about how many people we had signup for the batch for Austin? 20:52:26 And how many matches we made and stuff? 20:53:02 by signup for the batch for austin, you mean how many mentors/mentees signed up before the summit and how many matches we made? 20:53:12 Yes :) 20:53:16 I can extract that from the spreadsheet pretty easily 20:53:41 I'd be interested to know. I'm writing an article for OpenSource.com about it 20:53:44 I'll put the results in our etherpad https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/WOS_mentoring_12_3 and send you a mail when they're out there? 20:53:52 Perfect 20:54:33 Also we have 24 people signed up already with this new round 20:54:39 yay! 20:54:53 * ekhugen does a happy dance 20:55:15 * diablo_rojo turns on the strobe light and starts the EDM 20:55:57 nice 20:56:01 any other topics? 20:56:37 I got nothing. 20:56:45 Oh actually 20:57:19 I asked Anne at the foundation to tweet from the OpenStack handle about the next round and she said she would in the next 48 hours or so 20:57:36 awesomesauce 20:57:40 So look for that so you can retweet :) 20:58:02 that's great! 20:58:14 nice! 20:58:35 Is there anything else we need attention drawn to or help with from the foundation ? 20:59:15 I don't think so 20:59:30 speed mentoring is on the agenda now, so thank you! 20:59:31 Coolio. Let me know if something comes up :) 20:59:44 will do thanks diablo_rojo 20:59:55 okay, have a good day everyone! and thank you! 21:00:06 Bye! 21:00:11 #endmeeting