20:01:16 <ekhugen_alt> #startmeeting wos-mentoring 20:01:17 <openstack> Meeting started Wed Nov 16 20:01:16 2016 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is ekhugen_alt. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:01:19 <openstack> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 20:01:21 <openstack> The meeting name has been set to 'wos_mentoring' 20:01:37 <ekhugen_alt> Hi CarolBarrett! I got a note you were out sick, I thought maybe you wouldn't be on! 20:02:06 <CarolBarrett> I'm covering as much as I can - between naps... 20:02:17 <ekhugen_alt> aww, I hope you feel better soon! 20:02:26 <aimeeu> Hello all - sorry I'm late - multitasking as usual 20:02:34 <ekhugen_alt> Hi aimeeu 20:02:44 <aimeeu> Get well soon CarolBarrett 20:02:46 <CarolBarrett> thanks 20:03:01 <ekhugen_alt> anyone else here for the mentoring meeting? 20:04:03 <ekhugen_alt> doesn't sound like there's anyone on the phone, so I think i'm going to close the phone line 20:04:25 <CarolBarrett> OK 20:04:38 <ekhugen_alt> sometimes Danielle was calling in on the phone 20:05:37 <ekhugen_alt> so there was a discussion on Monday at the women of openstack meeting about some feedback from speed mentoring 20:05:58 <ekhugen_alt> I don't know if there's anything more for us to discuss from that, carol and aimee, I think you were both on that call, right? 20:06:28 <CarolBarrett> Yes, I was there and I think the feedback there matched our take-aways 20:07:29 <aimeeu> I was not on the call but am looking at the etherpad. I have a conflict now that it's Standard Time. 20:07:38 <ekhugen_alt> ah okay 20:07:44 <ekhugen_alt> #topic Barcelona feedback 20:08:08 <ekhugen_alt> any questions or comments on that aimeeu? 20:08:47 <aimeeu> Look like our concerns were covered 20:09:48 <ekhugen_alt> okay, so I think we can move on to the feedback survey 20:09:52 <ekhugen_alt> #topic feedback survey 20:10:13 <ekhugen_alt> and I think this is my fault we don't have anything to talk about here, I was going to send out the results in an email 20:10:18 <ekhugen_alt> and I just did not get to that last week 20:10:56 <CarolBarrett> NP - can you summarize the feedback? 20:11:06 <ekhugen_alt> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1w0lQUva-vHHdHU3WLEqFnuC-FGuzI6Ma2J6Q8YKRONk/edit#gid=0 20:11:27 <ekhugen_alt> at a glance most of it seemed to be about mentors and mentees not being vetted enough, people who seemed interested just disappeared 20:11:57 <ekhugen_alt> so I think we talked last week about giving people just a week to respond before we unmatched them 20:12:37 <aimeeu> yes - I think that we all agreed that it was a good idea 20:13:16 <ekhugen_alt> beyond that there were some comments about checking in more regularly and helping with goals 20:13:28 <ekhugen_alt> which we said we'd point people directly to the getting started guide 20:13:41 <ekhugen_alt> that has some suggested goals 20:14:12 <CarolBarrett> i'm just reading through the comments... 20:14:38 <aimeeu> and I should be able to put a web page together so people don't have to access the guides 20:14:51 <ekhugen_alt> I was going to put them in an email and send them out, since they're hard to read via the spreadsheet 20:15:30 <CarolBarrett> yea, I downloaded it so I could get more space to the see the responses 20:15:39 <aimeeu> There has to be personal responsibility though from the mentees. They should know what they want to achieve, not expect us to create goals for them 20:16:16 <ekhugen_alt> right, so we did also put in the checks with the new script, if they don't have a goal, we now kick them out and ask them to resubmit 20:16:58 <ekhugen_alt> so that, plus the webpage to make things easier to read (thanks aimeeu for volunteering on that), that's probably enough right? 20:17:10 <ekhugen_alt> or does anyone have more ideas? 20:17:43 <CarolBarrett> 1 other idea - what about an moderated 1st meeting... 20:18:17 <CarolBarrett> by this I mean that one of us meets with the Mentor and Mentee to review the scope of the engage & faciliate establishing goals, etc 20:18:20 <ekhugen_alt> so we have someone from the mentoring team there for their first meeting? or we hold the first meeting as a group? 20:18:20 <aimeeu> that could be a challenge depending on time zones of mentor/mentee - or were you thinking of a moderated meeting for all matches? 20:19:08 <CarolBarrett> I understand it has a scale issue - but looking through the comments, it seems like getting off on the right foot was a challenge frequently 20:20:34 <CarolBarrett> Seems like the biggest issue was the Mentees stopped communicating - for a variety of reasons 20:21:20 <CarolBarrett> So maybe more frequent check-ins is a good idea, so we can identify Mentors who are ready for a new match.. 20:21:31 <CarolBarrett> since we seem to be Mentor constrained 20:21:36 <aimeeu> +1 - did we touch on that last week? 20:21:43 <ekhugen_alt> yes, I think we did 20:21:50 <ekhugen_alt> maybe monthly check-ins? 20:21:59 <CarolBarrett> I think that would be good 20:22:21 <aimeeu> it would almost be nice to have some kind of bulletin board 20:22:35 <aimeeu> chat board or whatever they are called these days 20:23:05 <ekhugen_alt> well we have the listserv and the openstack-women channel 20:23:13 <aimeeu> not email or irc 20:23:31 <CarolBarrett> why not use email or IRC? 20:23:40 <ekhugen_alt> do you think people would use another method of communication? is there a chance that they would just forget about checking it? 20:23:50 <aimeeu> it's hard to keep track of email and irc 20:24:01 <CarolBarrett> Yes, I think people will definitely forget to check in 20:24:21 <CarolBarrett> I think it will be up to us to ping them 20:24:46 <aimeeu> i was thinking of a bulletin board just for participants, but the Foundation would have to host it, so probably not going to get off the ground 20:25:21 <ekhugen_alt> yes, I think the foundation's probably busy enough that it would be hard to get that going 20:26:23 <ekhugen_alt> but I can add that to the automation fairly easily, to have it autogenerate check in emails 20:26:32 <aimeeu> +! 20:26:35 <aimeeu> +1 20:26:45 * aimeeu fat fingers 20:26:55 <ekhugen_alt> so any other ideas from the feedback survey? 20:28:10 <CarolBarrett> None from me 20:28:16 <ekhugen_alt> okay, next topic is the next round of matches 20:28:21 <ekhugen_alt> #topic New matches 20:28:55 <ekhugen_alt> thanks aimeeu for the feeback you sent last week, I have to update the "please resubmit" email to take that into account 20:29:26 <aimeeu> no problem (the former English teacher in me kicked in, so sorry if it sounded like I was lecturing...) 20:30:05 <ekhugen_alt> no, those were good comments, I did really appreciate them 20:30:18 <ekhugen_alt> I also need to update to use the webpage that anne suggested 20:30:40 <ekhugen_alt> I think carol, you asked about the mentees leftover from our previous spreadsheet 20:31:07 <CarolBarrett> Yes 20:31:11 <ekhugen_alt> and I confess, I wasn't sure how to handle that, I'm almost thinking it's worth sending a note to anyone unmatched from the old spreadsheet and ask them to fill out the new form if they're still interested? 20:31:46 <aimeeu> that's a good idea - if they want to still participate, they're goals/projects may have changed 20:31:59 <aimeeu> s/they're/their 20:33:15 <CarolBarrett> Hmmmm - I guess that could work. But are we going to ask people to re-enroll each cycle we should be more clear about that....and expect to lose mentees 20:33:44 <aimeeu> I think only this time because Emily automated the email process? 20:34:16 <ekhugen_alt> well I guess the alternatives are: try to match them by hand or bring them over to the new spreadsheet individually 20:34:45 <ekhugen_alt> I was thinking that if they're on the old spreadsheet and not yet matched, there might a good chance that they were no longer interested 20:34:45 <CarolBarrett> Any sense of how many there are? 20:34:58 <ekhugen_alt> probably a good number, 50ish 20:35:33 * aimeeu you can remove me if I'm on it 20:35:35 <ekhugen_alt> and I wouldn't normally ask them to re-enroll each cycle, just this time because the survey changed so much 20:35:50 <CarolBarrett> If it's a 1 time thing, then I think it's OK 20:35:51 * ekhugen_alt thanks aimee, now it's like 49ish 20:36:25 * aimeeu always glad to help 20:37:11 <aimeeu> also some unmatched from the previous spreadsheet may be on the current list 20:37:38 <ekhugen_alt> so I think what I would do in priority order is: make the updates to the email that aimeeu suggested, send out the matches we have right now, send out an email asked unmatched people from old spreadsheet to update to new one, then work on converting to the new webpage anne suggested 20:37:57 <aimeeu> sounds good 20:37:59 <ekhugen_alt> s/asked unmatched people/asking unmatched people/ 20:38:12 <CarolBarrett> OK 20:38:47 <spotz> o/ 20:39:56 <ekhugen_alt> I will quite honestly try to get to the first two things today 20:40:20 <ekhugen_alt> I also am still trying to get the patch merged for our new project so that everyone can update the code https://review.openstack.org/#/c/393926/1 20:40:30 <ekhugen_alt> I apparently used underscores when I should not have 20:42:46 <ekhugen_alt> anything else on new matches? 20:42:54 <CarolBarrett> Not from me 20:43:05 <ekhugen_alt> any other topics? 20:43:43 * ekhugen_alt realizes she didn't say hi to spotz, hi spotz 20:44:02 <CarolBarrett> Are we considering supporting any activities at the PTG? 20:44:38 <ekhugen_alt> there was some discussion about that at the meeting on Monday, it doesn't sound like there's really going to be an opportunity for any women of openstack meetings there 20:44:48 <ekhugen_alt> unless I misheard that 20:45:14 <spotz> ekhugen_alt: No worries:) 20:45:25 <aimeeu> the PTG is for experienced contributors only, and many are only going to be there 2 or 3 days out of the week 20:45:54 <ekhugen_alt> so I think our idea of maybe having speed mentoring there isn't going to be useful 20:46:00 <aimeeu> +1 20:46:40 <CarolBarrett> Sounds like a good plan - we can revisit after the 1st PTG and see if there's any feedback to change that direction 20:47:04 <aimeeu> Good idea. I'll probably be at the PTG for only 2 days myself. 20:47:06 <ekhugen_alt> so we'll plan the next speed mentoring event for boston, I do think there's been some progress on moving that to lunch 20:47:07 <clarkb> aimeeu: I hesitate to say its only for experienced contributors (tjats not ehat the ptg site says) 20:47:36 <aimeeu> I equate identifying with a particular project as experienced 20:47:45 <CarolBarrett> Lunch would be great! 20:48:11 <ekhugen_alt> clarkb even if there are less experienced contributors, is the ptg likely to be their first openstack event? 20:48:18 <ildikov> I think PTG could be used to get together with the mentors for instance 20:48:19 <ekhugen_alt> that's kind of where we were aiming speed mentoring 20:48:20 <spotz> From what I've heard spots are limited so it's mainly going to be PTLs and cores 20:48:52 <clarkb> ekhugen_alt: I dont see why not, the ptg is for people contributing upstream. we may have such individuals that have never gone to a summit before 20:48:58 <aimeeu> I don't think our target audience for speed mentoring is going to be there 20:49:14 <clarkb> aimeeu: that I can agree with 20:49:24 <ildikov> ekhugen_alt: the idea is to have people there who are already involved within a project in some extent 20:49:35 <CarolBarrett> ildikov: agree 20:49:41 <clarkb> (I just worry if you say experienced contributors only tjat semds a slightly different message) 20:49:50 <ildikov> ekhugen_alt: the Summits are still the events where we expect newcomers 20:50:14 <ekhugen_alt> alright, so I think we're all happy with the next speed mentoring event being boston, and I think we're all especially happy for not-breakfast-events 20:50:24 <ildikov> clarkb: yeap, I think active contributor or something like might be better 20:50:40 <ildikov> ekhugen_alt: +1 :) 20:50:48 <CarolBarrett> +1 20:51:48 <ekhugen_alt> cool, any other topics? 20:51:52 <ekhugen_alt> #topic open 20:53:13 <CarolBarrett> No opens from me 20:53:26 <ekhugen_alt> okay, well I think we can end 7 minutes early then 20:53:35 <aimeeu> thanks everyone 20:53:40 <CarolBarrett> great - I'll take it! 20:53:42 <ekhugen_alt> just a reminder next meeting is the 30th 20:53:59 * ekhugen_alt wishes happy thanksgiving to US peeps! 20:54:01 <aimeeu> Happy Thanksgiving to all in the US 20:54:13 <diablo_rojo_phon> Happy Thanksgiving :) 20:54:19 <ekhugen_alt> #endmeeting