17:02:26 #startmeeting XenAPI 17:02:27 Meeting started Wed Mar 13 17:02:26 2013 UTC. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:02:28 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 17:02:31 The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' 17:02:42 Hey, sorry we are on the wrong channel today 17:03:14 it's a much smaller channel 17:03:15 :) 17:03:48 #topic Actions from last meeting 17:04:18 BobBall is mate around? 17:04:23 Hi 17:04:28 looking through actions from last week 17:04:29 hey 17:04:40 I see. 17:04:43 speak of the devil 17:04:45 matelakat you were going to check on the state of the docs wrt XenAPI 17:04:49 I'd quite like a short meeting this week if we can 17:04:53 how did it go? 17:04:59 or, more to the point, I'll have to leave early 17:04:59 :) 17:05:06 lol, no worries 17:05:27 So still in progress, I fixed a small bug, and what I see that we have some "structural" problems around. 17:05:38 At least that's my view. 17:05:50 do describe some? 17:05:58 as an example 17:06:08 BobBall: is there news on an iSCSI timeout 17:06:47 I just don't quite see the information flow properly by reading the doc. 17:07:01 johnthetubaguy, you mean the attach issue when the iSCSI conn has gone away 17:07:06 not yet I'm afraid 17:07:07 So it is more a generic OS doc issue, than a XenAPI one. 17:07:36 right, it is quite a reference guide at the moment, but I am sure Anne and team will take feedback 17:07:54 Yes, that's my plan to talk with anne about it. 17:08:00 what about XenAPI things, I reviewed the addition you made 17:08:05 I am a bit confused around install - config 17:08:14 Oh, yes, the cinder part. 17:08:43 I was thinking about a feature list as well. 17:08:48 we'll see. 17:08:49 matelakat: they have monthly meetings, an email list and irc, I found email best before 17:09:06 what you mean install vs config? 17:09:08 johnthetubaguy: y, Anne seems responsive. 17:09:19 you mean the install guide vs running guide? 17:09:19 yes, install vs. config. 17:09:31 let me show you an example. 17:10:01 OK 17:10:09 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24081/ 17:10:46 And now I linked to the config manual. 17:11:01 But, anyhow, I am reading the docs, and getting a bit more familiar. 17:11:19 OK 17:11:26 Oh, a q 17:11:36 that intro to xen bit goes in all the guides at the moment, but I guess you spotted that 17:11:42 Regarding to that picture in the doc. 17:11:48 OK 17:12:13 I think that internal comm. channel could be removed, right? 17:12:47 yep, it turned out not to be useful, use management network instead 17:12:57 Okay. 17:13:14 the visio file is in the source, but I guess you saw that 17:13:27 I was about to ask about that. 17:13:38 its in there somewhere, or should be 17:13:49 I just need a visio :-) 17:14:13 Any suggestion on the docs from anyone else? 17:14:22 I am sure bob can point you to a nice windows share for that 17:14:29 sure. 17:14:40 uhhhh lol 17:14:42 windows? :) 17:14:49 We'll see ;) 17:14:50 I was going to do some work on an install guide, making it work on CentOS, but I am blocked with getting XCP going right now 17:15:43 Are things progressing on that? 17:15:52 or proper blockage? 17:16:06 XCP on CentOS is a right PITA but slowly tip toeing forward 17:16:19 will be in the Citrix office on Friday to bug mike 17:16:26 OK, we are getting side tracked 17:16:29 Good, pastry day. 17:16:51 I guess we'll outsorce some QA work on the pastries. 17:16:56 sure - just thought a very quick update would be good :) Maybe it should be on the agenda - it's very relevant to XenAPI after all :) 17:16:58 #action BobBall to update on iSCSI timeout when there is an update 17:17:11 I'd rather have a deadline... 17:17:12 :) 17:17:26 Are we loosing focus? 17:17:26 there is a separate IRC meeting for that, but feel free to ask me in Open Discussion 17:17:31 indeed 17:17:35 I am just moving it on now 17:17:52 we have covered all the actions from last time now 17:18:01 #topic blueprints 17:18:20 keep updating the etherpad I guess 17:18:51 my summit talk has been rejected (the one on Xen) but obviously not hurd about design summit session yet 17:19:03 shame! 17:19:05 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/extended-diagnostics 17:19:12 I added a link from Rachel. 17:19:29 (sorry to hear the session rejection) 17:19:51 Do you guys think, that the link could be useful? 17:19:52 you can come and hear it at CloudEast if you want to 17:20:14 When/where is cloud east? Got a link? 17:20:20 cloudeast.net 17:20:25 *grin* 17:20:26 okay 17:20:30 I could have googled. Sorry. 17:20:37 erm, I think we spoke about that previously 17:20:43 That's near. 17:20:44 extended diagnostics 17:21:09 good to look at anyways 17:21:14 oh I see your link now 17:21:30 erm, partly useful 17:21:42 the thinking is how can we help opps guys find issues 17:22:00 metrics are obviously one way, and checking approprite heath 17:22:50 ok 17:22:52 OK, so we covered that stuff 17:23:04 sure, just wanted you to know about it. 17:23:05 make time to don thinking caps 17:23:10 cool, thanks 17:23:17 next? 17:23:46 #topic Docs 17:23:51 we have done this already 17:23:59 #topic Bugs and QA 17:24:19 I am looking at things around resize, we seem to fall over on two many error cases 17:24:32 I think I mentioned it last time - but it's frustrating that there aren't any gating tests for multi-host devstack setups 17:24:37 they hit us again today 17:24:41 looking at raising a few bugs and making a few fixes around disk sizes not matching flavours 17:24:45 how would we go about trying to add some? 17:24:56 let me find you a link 17:25:23 resize. 17:25:31 http://ci.openstack.org/third_party.html 17:25:34 Could we just talk about resize? 17:25:40 yep 17:25:50 So what's the issue? 17:26:15 resize is failing in a nasty way when the instance disk has grown two big for the size it is moving to 17:26:19 oh - it has to be external? Isn't there a repo somewhere with the normal gating builds? Thinking about what jenkins etc runs before it accepts the change 17:26:28 and it looks like the checks it are making are too long and too late 17:26:34 BobBall: it is all external 17:26:52 two bug = too big? 17:26:53 BobBall: multi-server has not happened yet, but see summit sessions 17:27:11 matelakat: oops, yes 17:27:14 oh okay 17:27:47 So if I resize to a size, that is too big, that fails? 17:28:10 sorry, resize to a flavor that is too small to fit the instance disk 17:28:27 its impossible sure, but it fails in a very aweful way 17:28:46 And there is another bug. 17:28:49 Around resize. 17:29:03 ? 17:29:18 So if your flavor has 0 disk size - meaning, that it should get the image's size, you will get negative numbers. 17:29:34 oh, yes, I have hit that one too earlier today 17:29:44 when you turn on auto disk size 17:29:45 I might have a report on that... wait 17:30:25 basically you need to check for instance_type == 0 in the resize code, its missing from there 17:30:38 although that does seem a bit bad, hey ho. 17:30:48 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1152268 17:31:18 I think spending some time around resize/migration is a good idea. 17:31:29 It seemed to be a bit unstable for me as well. 17:31:43 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1152714 17:32:20 #link https://github.com/citrix-openstack/qa/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/xslib/configure_for_resize.sh 17:32:31 If anyone wants to start playing with resize. 17:32:51 Should we be doing that, or devstack? 17:32:53 johnthetubaguy: Could you include me in your bug reports? 17:32:56 yes, the docs should be a bit clearer on that stuff 17:33:09 matelakat: sure, I need to pin down the issue and raise them 17:33:13 johnthetubaguy: I committed a change on that. 17:33:21 I saw one of those 17:33:25 BobBall: I guess it needs to be done in devstack. 17:33:27 the wiki is probably out of date 17:33:36 and yet, it should be in devstack 17:33:39 yes^ 17:33:55 it keeps dropping off the radar 17:34:00 okay 17:34:01 anyway, its an area to look at 17:34:09 Y, good spot. 17:34:14 sometime we need to remove the need for the ssh transfer 17:34:20 I had tempest-smoke running. 17:34:33 cool, it did used to run 17:34:35 And that's how I hit this resize area. 17:34:40 yes - can be done by XSM now! 17:34:49 And I have a really good stuff. 17:34:57 john might be interested in this. 17:35:12 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/24297/ 17:35:21 Please, +1 if you like. 17:35:42 BobBall, maybe, its a bit tricky as we change the disk size, and things 17:35:45 We have seen some nasty dmesg errors while playing with cinder (the dd bug) 17:36:03 And it seems, that if we use kernel-virtual, we don't get those timeouts. 17:36:16 hmm, interesting 17:36:22 johnthetubaguy, Can all be accomplished with XAPI changes and touching the VHD though can't it? 17:36:32 i.e. XSM over to target host, then do the actual "resize" 17:36:54 matelakat: have you tried 12.10? 17:36:56 possibly still need pause/restart to re-attach disk since we can't do live resize, but that's much less time than pause+transfer+resume 17:37:26 johnthetubaguy: not, but the main thing, is that -virtual is using the deadline I/O scheduler, whereas the -generic is using cqs 17:37:33 And that's bad. 17:37:37 BobBall: we already do better than the long way, we do snapshot, transfer, shudown, transfer, resize 17:37:59 johnthetubaguy, I know - the the final transfer step should be even shorter when you use XSM 17:38:07 (because it's not transfer, just resize) 17:38:28 I have to run, sorry guys 17:38:31 BobBall: sure, this is true 17:38:38 BobBall: OK 17:38:39 See you tomorrow! 17:38:42 see you Bob. 17:38:59 matelakat: all sounds odd, its a document Ubuntu bug though 17:39:13 matelakat: have you tried 12.10 to see if it is fixed? 17:39:19 Let me dig out the original bug report. 17:39:48 #link https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1023755 17:40:15 Look at comment 62: https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1023755/comments/62 17:40:58 So the message is, that linux-virtual seems to be fine. 17:41:28 if you wanted to test it. 17:41:32 OK 17:41:48 could update devstack to do that I guess 17:41:54 I did. 17:41:59 oh, cool 17:42:02 thanks 17:42:06 I just linked in the change, so +1 it if you like. 17:42:13 devstack reviews seem to be slow. 17:42:27 Do you know any reviewers, who might worth adding? 17:42:31 its a busy time 17:42:36 :-) 17:42:44 not sure for devstack these days, take a look at core 17:42:55 #topic Open Discussion 17:43:03 we are sort of doing this already 17:43:09 is there anything else from people? 17:43:36 not from me. 17:43:41 I would echo the email form Anne about it being a great time for docs 17:43:49 I have it. 17:43:56 and I think Russel said friday should be a bug day 17:44:01 y 17:44:21 to concentrate the mind of folk who are not 100% bug fixing right now 17:44:53 Oh 17:44:53 anyways, lets wrap up 17:45:00 #endmeeting