15:01:04 #startmeeting XenAPI 15:01:05 Meeting started Wed Jul 31 15:01:04 2013 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is johnthetubaguy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:01:06 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. 15:01:08 The meeting name has been set to 'xenapi' 15:01:20 Hello! Hands up, who is around today? 15:01:23 one 15:01:42 two 15:02:29 cool 15:02:47 anyone got specific agenda items? 15:03:05 I've got a fun bug to talk about 15:03:10 cool 15:03:16 potentially two fun bugs 15:03:20 And I have a question for john. 15:03:21 Mate's got a blueprint 15:03:34 no actions actions from last meeting, so lets dive into blueprints 15:03:40 #topic Blueprints 15:03:54 #link https://blueprints.launchpad.net/nova/+spec/xenapi-supported-image-import-export 15:04:07 I just submitted a change for my last H-3 blueprint 15:04:27 shall we talk about Mate's first? 15:04:36 How do we get this BP approved and prioritised? ;) 15:05:11 talk to russell b, after targetting it, as ever 15:05:13 I thought we just need to get it done. 15:05:24 but I suspect they might start rejecting, due to review bandwidth 15:05:32 matel: if the BP hasn't been approved some core members might not want it in ;) 15:05:46 core members don't approve blueprints, its drivers 15:05:55 i.e. not me 15:06:00 I meant core members might not approve it in the review 15:06:14 oh right, yup, I would reject it on those grounds 15:06:26 so matel, whats the question? 15:06:32 perhaps we should just close the BP and raise it as the bug that it is ;) 15:06:54 I think someone found some ancient cinder database code fragments. 15:07:05 well, if you select the series goal of H-3, russellb will probably take a look for you 15:07:18 Let me link in the change... 15:07:28 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/38657/ 15:07:56 ?? 15:08:04 I think all those sm_ functions should go away. 15:08:50 Do you have any other ideas about those functions? 15:09:50 yeah, they should die, I guess we forgot to remove those? 15:10:01 I think so. 15:11:13 cool 15:11:15 back to the blueprint 15:11:20 what were the questions there? 15:11:40 I have no questions. 15:11:49 Bob? 15:11:50 OK, cool 15:11:58 any more blueprints? 15:12:26 No questions from me 15:12:37 so 15:12:39 odd question 15:12:49 would you guys say that xen is easier to setup for OS atm ? 15:13:21 easier than what? 15:14:35 kvm BobBall :) 15:15:20 It depends on the scale your looking at :) 15:15:24 can we move that to the opendiscussion section? 15:15:30 Devstack they should be the same - you just run a script for both 15:15:31 sure :) 15:15:54 Large scale, XS should be easier - since you just deploy a VM 15:15:57 sorry! 15:16:12 no worries, its a bit subjective 15:16:34 #topic Docs 15:16:44 did people look up that blueprint 15:17:15 which one? 15:17:19 the one Mate is working on? 15:17:24 *confused* 15:19:08 not sure, the doc blueprint mentioned yesterday 15:19:12 I mean last week 15:19:17 anyway I will take a look 15:19:32 #action johnthetubaguy to look for xenapi doc blueprint and bugs 15:19:37 #topic Bugs 15:19:41 oh sorry yes that one 15:19:48 no - I haven't seen it 15:19:55 BobBall: you had a bug? 15:19:59 Couple of very nice bugs from me! 15:20:07 fireaway 15:20:11 I'll be back in a sec. 15:20:13 #link https://code.launchpad.net/bugs/1206154 15:20:15 Launchpad bug 1206154 in devstack "uninstall_package can remove dependencies" [Undecided,In progress] 15:20:18 I like this one 15:20:29 yes, its nasty 15:20:44 I'm working on getting devstack working with xenserver-core - and ran into this 15:20:54 in summary - devstack removes python-lxml so that pip can install it later 15:21:01 the removal forces a removal of xen(!) 15:21:09 which made me a very unhappy person 15:21:20 so in order to run devstack in dom0 we need this fixed somehow 15:21:27 but the way to fix it is very unclear 15:21:37 yeah, not nice 15:21:38 any comments on the bug or change would be appreciated 15:21:43 #link https://review.openstack.org/#/c/39100/ 15:21:53 Suggestions are needed I think 15:21:57 well the suggested change looked OK ish to me 15:22:23 not really - it breaks the package management system - you can't expect people to not do a yum update at some point which would remove Xen or install python-lxml 15:22:38 my change was naieve and I hadn't thought that far forward 15:22:42 ah, I see 15:22:45 it fixes it in the short term but it'll still break long term 15:22:55 well the alternative is to run nova in a virtual env in devstack 15:23:01 I gues 15:23:02 s 15:23:05 not just nova 15:23:08 _everything_... :) 15:23:15 exactly 15:23:17 and that's going to be a big devstack change 15:23:29 hmm, maybe not as bad as you think 15:23:31 logical change even if not physical 15:23:43 just activate the virtual env on the first line, that might work 15:24:06 the packages will just install stuff in the system, but nova will ignore those 15:24:15 i mean everything, not just nova 15:24:23 its how we run in production at rax 15:24:27 virtual env that is 15:24:30 indeed 15:24:48 OK, more bugs? 15:24:55 I had a second one but I've lost it now 15:25:19 oh yes - had some fun with CentOS 6.4 15:25:23 just generic fun though 15:25:38 around requests version 1.2.3 - installed by CentOS - and openstack/requiremenst restricts to <1.2.3 15:25:47 this is something that's already been "fixed" and is working it's way through 15:25:52 but wanted to raise it for others to be aware 15:25:57 OK, cool 15:26:01 because it took me a while to understand it 15:26:11 and I know that some at RAX might be poking at CentOS 6.4 somepoint ;) 15:26:16 #info running devstack on dom0 for CentOS 6.4 is a WIP 15:26:41 I got a note from PVO about that stuff a few moments ago, but he is a bit before that 15:26:53 cool, any more for any more? 15:27:01 im done 15:27:06 I'm done 15:27:16 I should(?) have more to report next week 15:27:19 any progress towards gating this week? 15:27:20 oh 15:27:26 nah - that's starting on Monday I hope 15:27:32 OK 15:27:37 although if this devstack in dom0 goes well 15:27:44 #topic Open Discussion 15:27:53 any more for any more? 15:27:54 I hope we can look at gating on xenserver-core with devstack in dom0 and a restricted set of tests just for nova / driver 15:28:04 * BobBall looks at ekarlso- 15:28:30 that would be a very welcome addition to the gate :) 15:28:37 yeah 15:28:42 but it's still not XenServer - so I want both 15:28:49 although, is that with some Xen simulator? 15:28:53 no 15:28:58 full on Xen ;) 15:29:13 I was worried you might say that, on what cloud can you get that going? 15:29:22 it's just an HVM guest 15:29:33 you can't run nested HVM but you can run PV (e.g. cirros) 15:29:46 yes, that would do the trick I guess 15:29:49 so in theory it should run on either - although I haven't tested on HP 15:29:52 just run in PV 15:29:54 Ant has tested it on RAX 15:30:00 cool 15:30:09 I know we can do HVM, just its not exposed 15:30:21 anyways, getting distracted 15:30:30 any more news? 15:30:32 huh? 15:30:47 Well - this is open discussion :) unless ekarlso- turns up we can carry on chatting for another 30 minutes :D 15:31:11 OK 15:31:34 probably best just to ping people on #openstack 15:31:39 I guess we are done 15:31:51 ekarlso- ^ 15:32:10 thanks for today 15:32:12 talk soon 15:32:15 #endmeeting