Monday, 2014-04-21

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openstackgerritlvdongbing proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix rollback failure when updating stack  https://review.openstack.org/8830601:37
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openstackgerritlvdongbing proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix rollback failure when updating stack  https://review.openstack.org/8830602:14
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openstackgerritMitsuru Kanabuchi proposed a change to openstack/heat: Shut the heat-engine after all threads finished  https://review.openstack.org/8649705:16
openstackgerritMitsuru Kanabuchi proposed a change to openstack/heat: Shut the heat-engine after all threads finished  https://review.openstack.org/8649705:23
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skraynevMorning all ;)05:58
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/8850906:10
openstackgerritSergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make Docker property schema similar with others  https://review.openstack.org/8858106:22
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sorantishappy easter, everybody09:31
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openstackgerritMitsuru Kanabuchi proposed a change to openstack/heat: Shut the heat-engine after all threads finished  https://review.openstack.org/8649710:22
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openstackgerritSergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Using new attribute schema for all resources  https://review.openstack.org/8933111:02
openstackgerritSergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make attributes definition similar on properties  https://review.openstack.org/8933211:02
openstackgerritSergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Using attribute schema for building documentation  https://review.openstack.org/8680311:02
openstackgerritSergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adding attribute schema class for attributes  https://review.openstack.org/8652511:02
openstackgerritSergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Deprecate first_address attribute of Server  https://review.openstack.org/8652611:02
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openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Include exception in custom constraints errors  https://review.openstack.org/8288113:48
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openstackgerritZhang Yang proposed a change to openstack/heat: Get members from DB when deleting loadbalancer  https://review.openstack.org/8935914:12
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openstackgerritVijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a log info message in stack_task and stack delete  https://review.openstack.org/8868014:37
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openstackgerritVijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a log info message in Stack state_set  https://review.openstack.org/8868014:54
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openstackgerritWilliam C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat: lifecycle plugin support  https://review.openstack.org/8936315:05
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openstackgerritVijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a log info message in Stack state_set  https://review.openstack.org/8868015:26
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openstackgerritWilliam C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat: Introduces stack lifecycle plugpoints  https://review.openstack.org/8936315:59
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Use cinder API for volume attach and detach  https://review.openstack.org/8663817:16
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openstackgerritVladimir Kuklin proposed a change to openstack/heat: Ignore nova limits set to '-1'  https://review.openstack.org/8938917:45
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openstackgerritJason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix exceptions in update_stack  https://review.openstack.org/8940919:59
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Fix wrongly printed count of received handled conditions.  https://review.openstack.org/8729320:07
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lifelessmorning everyon20:19
lifelessI know this is late - but easter happened - I'd like to propose a session for heat, for a bunch of work HP would like to drive next cycle20:19
lifelesswho is coordinating the https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-juno-design-summit-schedule ?20:20
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lifelesszaneb: I presume its you ^ ?20:23
zanebyep20:23
stevebakermorning20:23
zaneblifeless: there20:23
zanebthere's a post on the ML about it too20:24
lifelesszaneb: ok, so I'm going to furiously sketch here for a minute20:24
zaneb:D20:24
lifelesszaneb: and you can then tell me where we should go from here :)20:24
lifelesszaneb: I'm trying to arrange for a team (of 10 or so folk) to deep dive on a bunch (I'll list in a second) of heat architecture pain-points, based largely on TripleO learnings over the last year20:25
lifelesszaneb: it may well be a 12 month play to pull it all off, but it would be an entirely in-the-open effort20:25
lifelesszaneb: SpamapS and I would be doing design oversight over the HP folk; I'd like to us atlanta to get basic big picture stuff agreed on with the heat old-hands20:26
zanebsounds cool20:26
lifelesszaneb: pain points - scaling of single large stacks (e.g. I have a 10K node cluster, why is that constrainted to run in a single heat engine)20:27
zanebalthough I would note that absorbing ~10 new contributors is *really* hard for a project this size20:27
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lifeless - dealing with the real world: backend APIs can and do fail - in myriad ways20:27
lifeless - scaling #2 - fixing the polling problem from deployed instances [e.g. long poll / event driven somehow]20:28
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lifeless - fast, graceful failover [e.g. look more like something like galera to clients] of failed heat engines20:29
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lifelesszaneb: the basic architecture in my head is an observe+converge model (rather than the current call-graph model), combined with a distributed taskflow derived unit-of-execution-to-converge scale-out workload20:30
lifelesszaneb: I believe that that can keep the current heat end user programming model while becoming a lot more robust under the hood - some more detailed thoughts live in https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-workflow-vs-convergence20:31
lifelesszaneb: so the questions i guess are - contingent on HP funding a significant effort around this:20:32
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lifeless - is heat interested in such a refactoring/investment20:32
zaneb+1 for distributed taskflow derived unit-of-execution20:32
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lifeless - how should we best do it to balance disruption / forward progress / assessing the design etc20:32
zanebthe convergence thing is a big change and would require a lot of discussion20:33
zanebbut I would definitely like to see those problems solved20:33
lifeless - can we get at least *a* timeslice for this at the summit - e.g. I'm sure SpamapS and I could prepare a slide deck to run through (a) proposed architecture for bench-test-assessing it20:33
zanebI would place a high priority on that getting a timeslot20:35
zanebnot sure what else we would lose20:35
zanebbut definitely propose it20:35
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stevebakerI'm keen to focus on things which help tripleo this cycle20:36
zanebstevebaker ++20:37
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lifelessok20:43
lifelessI will put that in later today20:43
zaneblifeless: the deadline was technically yesterday, so I wouldn't leave it too much later20:44
lifelesszaneb: I know20:47
lifelesszaneb: just had a 4 day weekend...20:47
lifelesszaneb: backlog of urgents to check, then I'm on this20:47
zaneblucky for some ;)20:47
lifelesszaneb: easter :)20:47
zanebwe only get a 3 day weekend for easter here20:48
stevebakerlifeless: I wonder if you could review my nova bp at some point? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/88703/20:48
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lifelessstevebaker: hell yes, time to put the metadata-hating-crowd to bed :)20:51
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lifelessstevebaker: reviewed21:04
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stevebakerlifeless: thanks21:04
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stevebakerlifeless: there is an associated nova summit session proposed for this too http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/38921:09
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lifelessnow for the hard part21:13
lifelesspicking a topic name21:13
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SpamapSlifeless: No... State... till BROOKLYN21:32
* SpamapS channels the beastie boys21:32
lifeless:)21:33
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stevebakerThe Ace of States21:52
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sdake_lifeless is centos support not in dib?22:45
openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Optional data for resource_data_get_all  https://review.openstack.org/8849722:45
openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: An IO optimised method for accessing resource data  https://review.openstack.org/8849822:45
openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Port all resources to new resource data methods  https://review.openstack.org/8849922:45
lifelesssdake_: the rhel element with a different base image /should/ work22:48
lifelesssdake_: there was a patchset but the author never followed through on review feedback and it timed out22:48
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Allow DesiredCapacity to be zero  https://review.openstack.org/8720422:53
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openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Catch NotFound for keystone delete operations  https://review.openstack.org/8849023:10
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lifelesszaneb: does heat have a specs repo or just lp blueprints today ?23:27
zanebjust bps atm23:28
lifelessok23:28
zanebI'd like to move to a repo though23:28
* zaneb hates launchpad23:28
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lifelesszaneb: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/robustness-scale-by-default (starting point)23:39
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lifelesszaneb: http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/42823:44
zaneblifeless: thanks23:45
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