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| sdake | ok I'm headed out - night all | 01:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Prefetch data in resource_get_by_name_and_stack https://review.openstack.org/89735 | 03:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use resource methods for metadata get/set https://review.openstack.org/89736 | 03:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Do not query database for every metadata_get https://review.openstack.org/89737 | 03:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: An IO optimised method for accessing resource data https://review.openstack.org/88498 | 03:07 |
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| cmyster | morning | 03:39 |
| cmyster | stevebaker: are you here ? | 03:39 |
| stevebaker | cmyster: yep | 03:39 |
| cmyster | hey, how are you ? | 03:39 |
| stevebaker | very well | 03:41 |
| cmyster | anyway, I am working on a tempest test for software config/deploy and upon deleting a configuration I get this error paste.openstack.org/show/76639/ | 03:41 |
| cmyster | something about config_id column cannot be null, yet the sonftware config table has no such column | 03:41 |
| cmyster | and software... | 03:42 |
| cmyster | the scenario is very simple, create a config, create a deployment, play with it, delete the deployment and then delete the config | 03:42 |
| cmyster | I'm now trying to re-stack.sh and will try it again but does that error looks like its buggish to you ? | 03:43 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: Hello | 03:45 |
| cmyster | hi | 03:45 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: Did you get a chance to have a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82853/ ? | 03:46 |
| ramishra | cmyster: Hello | 03:46 |
| stevebaker | cmyster: I'd have to see the test, it could be a bug, or it could be that it should give you a better error for what your test is doing wrong (delete in wrong order or somesuch). Either way a launchpad bug should be raised | 03:46 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: to be honest, no. Its scary big now ;) | 03:47 |
| cmyster | OK, I'll continue a bit with writing the tests before I commit it. its a large change 'cause tempest had no API for that | 03:47 |
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| stevebaker | cmyster: OK. My guess is that you need to delete the deployment before the config | 03:49 |
| cmyster | I was | 03:49 |
| stevebaker | hmm | 03:49 |
| cmyster | made sure of that | 03:49 |
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| cmyster | if you want to see the test as it is I can paste it but it will no make much sense without the modified services... | 03:51 |
| stevebaker | cmyster: just gerrit it when you want it to be seen, WIP it if it is not ready | 03:51 |
| cmyster | K | 03:51 |
| cmyster | well, | 03:51 |
| cmyster | if it fails won't gerrit -1 it ? | 03:52 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: loc is probably large due to additional unit tests etc.. I am wondering how to get it reviewed;). it's boilerplate code though..... | 03:52 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: I'll get to it. | 03:53 |
| stevebaker | cmyster: that is fine if you expect it ;) | 03:53 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: thanx | 03:53 |
| cmyster | I guess so :) | 03:53 |
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| cmyster | just want to update the machine I use, restart, restack and try to reproduce with latest versions | 03:54 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: I've provided some quick feedback | 03:55 |
| ramishra | stevebaker:thx | 03:58 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/89750 | 06:09 |
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| skraynev | Morning all | 06:18 |
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| bappa | In autoscaling my web server instance is of 256 MB and i am trying to scale up and scale down using stress command but i am unable to do so....can anybody tell me how to scale up and scale down? | 06:20 |
| bappa | skraynev:good morning.. | 06:21 |
| skraynev | bappa: hello :) | 06:22 |
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| skraynev | bappa: about your problem... what template do you use? | 06:23 |
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| bappa | skraynev:http://paste.openstack.org/show/76730/ | 06:24 |
| skraynev | bappa: did you look heat-engine logs .. may be some problem happens there.. | 06:24 |
| bappa | skraynev:i have openstack installation from devstack on 32 bit ubuntu system of 2 GB RAM..... | 06:26 |
| bappa | skraynev:so do i need to look into the syslog file? | 06:27 |
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| skraynev | bappa: hm.. about hardware... I am not sure, that it's cause of problem, but when I tried (more then half year ago) to do it on same deployment it works awful... | 06:29 |
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| skraynev | bappa: IMO 2 GB for autoscaling is very few. | 06:29 |
| skraynev | bappa: is not enough, I suppose. | 06:30 |
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| skraynev | bappa: but yes, you could get some additional info in log file. | 06:30 |
| therve | Good morning! | 06:30 |
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| skraynev | morning therve ;) | 06:31 |
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| bappa | skraynev:okay..but sometimes after stack completion it automatically scales up the 2 to 3 instances even when i dont use the stress command | 06:32 |
| bappa | skraynev:and once instances are scaled up automatically they are not getting scaled down... | 06:33 |
| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed a change to openstack/heat: Provides ability to reference existing neutron resources https://review.openstack.org/82853 | 06:33 |
| bappa | therve:Good morning :) | 06:34 |
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| skraynev | bappa: There are a lot of reasons why it could happen ... I can only guess ... may be instances really have such loading (during launching process). My idea is, that problem is a hardware. | 06:37 |
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| bappa | skraynev:okay...can i increase the memoryusage manually by writing script containing infinite loop and try to put the stress... | 06:45 |
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| skraynev | bappa: why do not you want to use stress utility ? | 06:49 |
| skraynev | about using autoscaling, if you want to look some guides, I may recommend two videos (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lLSZi6njq4, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kc6SzONqOYk) | 06:50 |
| bappa | its not working...i am not able to update yum | 06:51 |
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| skraynev | bappa: ok, so in this case your approach (using some script) make sense. Please, don't forget check that memory usage is really increased. | 06:52 |
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| tspatzier | stevebaker: are you still around? | 06:53 |
| bappa | skraynev:thanlks for recommending...but i hav already watched this video....i followed same procedure that is given in the video to increase the load...its not working properly... | 06:53 |
| skraynev | tspatzier: my congratulation with nomination ;) | 06:55 |
| tspatzier | thanks skraynev :-) | 06:55 |
| skraynev | bappa: did you check that memory usage is less then limit for autoscaling? | 06:57 |
| Qiming | congrats, Thomas! | 06:58 |
| skraynev | bappa: any way I still think, that you should improve you hardware. Without it I can't guarantee, normal autoscaling process | 06:59 |
| tspatzier | thanks Qiming! | 07:00 |
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| cmyster | therve: got a few minutes ? | 07:03 |
| therve | Sure | 07:03 |
| bappa | skraynev: whenever after running stress command "stress -m 2 --vm-bytes 105 --vm-hang 120" i will be checking for memory usage % through top command..memory usage % is not getting increased... | 07:04 |
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| skraynev | bappa: sounds strange... May be you already have maximum usage? or need some time to wait the changes. | 07:08 |
| bappa | skraynev:okay i will try and get back to you...thank you.. | 07:11 |
| skraynev | bappa: np :) | 07:11 |
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| shardy | morning all! | 07:22 |
| cmyster | morning shadower | 07:23 |
| cmyster | NO | 07:23 |
| cmyster | shardy: | 07:23 |
| cmyster | tabulator... | 07:23 |
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| cmyster | shardy: got a few minutes ? | 07:37 |
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| shardy | cmyster: sure | 07:44 |
| pas-ha | morning | 07:52 |
| pas-ha | could someone from core take a look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/update-cinder-volume and approve it if sees it fit? | 07:52 |
| therve | pas-ha, What happens when the volume is mounted on an instance? | 07:54 |
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| pas-ha | detach first, naturally | 07:59 |
| pas-ha | detach, resize, re-attach | 07:59 |
| therve | pas-ha, I mean, you don't need to do unmout/mount? | 07:59 |
| pas-ha | therve: well, that is the same story as with volume attachment updates - I presume user has to know for himself if his resources are ready for such operation | 08:01 |
| therve | pas-ha, Yeah I just wondered if you needed to do anything on the instance or not | 08:01 |
| therve | Because if you do, the bp is not very useful until we have a way to tell the instance to do the umount/mount | 08:02 |
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| pas-ha | no, I would not do it here, in this resource for now | 08:02 |
| therve | I don't understand | 08:03 |
| pas-ha | I'm thinking - would it be possible to suspend the instance first? Does nova/cinder allow attaching volumes to suspended vms? | 08:05 |
| pas-ha | will investigate | 08:06 |
| therve | Anyway, I was just looking at the problem. The BP looks okay, there is no reason not to do this afaict | 08:06 |
| cmyster | check the volume-detach. I don't know what it does first handed but there might be a clue with that command | 08:06 |
| cmyster | volume-detach/attach | 08:07 |
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| shardy | You still have the problem of how to resize the filesystem after a resize update, even if you suspend | 08:07 |
| cmyster | a script might do the work here | 08:08 |
| pas-ha | shardy: that would be the job of the agent inside VM | 08:08 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: how does the agent know to resize? | 08:09 |
| shardy | seems like having a SoftwareDeployment resource with actions=['UPDATE'] might be better | 08:09 |
| pas-ha | ok, will look into it - and ask Trove guys who wanted this feature in heat :) | 08:11 |
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| onorua | Hi guys, I'm trying to get Docker+Heat working, does it possible to force heat to use some host/port instead of default docker socket? | 08:27 |
| onorua | currently I get error: Resource Create Failed: Connectionerror: Unixhttpconnectionpool(Host='Localhost', Port=None): Max Retries Exceeded With Url: /Run/Docker.Sock/V1.9/Containers/Create (Caused By <Class 'Socket.Error'>: [Errno 2] Enoent) | 08:27 |
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| therve | onorua, You need to set the docker_endpoint property | 08:34 |
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| onorua | hm, now it says: JSON response : {"explanation": "u'\"docker_endpoint\" is not a valid keyword inside a resource definition'" | 09:01 |
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| therve | You haven't put in the correct place | 09:03 |
| onorua | is there any particular place to put it? I've used one from http://blog.docker.io/2014/03/docker-will-be-in-openstack-icehouse/ | 09:11 |
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| onorua | I've searched it in the source code for heat: /usr/lib/python2.7/dist-packages/heat# grep -R docker_endpoint * without success | 09:14 |
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| onorua | and according to the source code of the docker_plugin it's in the DockerContainer class | 09:16 |
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| onorua | so, I assume it should be in "my_docker_container" part of the template | 09:17 |
| onorua | I can be wrong of course | 09:17 |
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| sergmelikyan | guys, can someone point me to the template with example of address of the instance in the output params? | 09:30 |
| therve | onorua, There is a "properties" section where you need to put it | 09:31 |
| sergmelikyan | Need a hint how to obtain address of the instance without using curl on VM itself (querying for http://169.254.169.254/latest/meta-data/local-ipv4) | 09:31 |
| therve | SergeyLukjanov, https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/hello_world.yaml for example | 09:32 |
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| therve | It depends on the resource itself | 09:32 |
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| skraynev | therve: possibly sergmelikyan, instead SergeyLukjanov... | 09:32 |
| sergmelikyan | therve, what do you meen buy 'depends on the resource'? | 09:32 |
| skraynev | sergmelikyan: different resources have different attributes | 09:33 |
| onorua | Now it complains about: ERROR: Unknown Property docker_endpoint | 09:33 |
| onorua | does it have a different name there? | 09:33 |
| sergmelikyan | I was talking about AWS::EC2::Instance | 09:33 |
| skraynev | sergmelikyan: for getting some information in outputs section you need to use attributes corresponding to resource | 09:33 |
| onorua | therve, Now it complains about: ERROR: Unknown Property docker_endpoint | 09:34 |
| onorua | therve, is there any uptodate documentation on setting this thing up? | 09:35 |
| sergmelikyan | thx! | 09:35 |
| Qiming | sergmelikyan, you may want to check the 'PublicIp' and/or 'PrivateIp' attribute of the AWS::EC2::Instance resource | 09:35 |
| skraynev | hsergmelikyan: ttps://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/cfn/F17/getting_started.template#L25 | 09:35 |
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| skraynev | sergmelikyan: https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/cfn/F17/getting_started.template#L22 | 09:36 |
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| skraynev | sergmelikyan: and Qiming is right. There are two attributes (for getting address) available for AWS::EC2::Instance | 09:37 |
| sergmelikyan | skraynev, can you describe difference between them? How it is mapped to Floating/Fixed IPS? | 09:39 |
| therve | onorua, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/contrib.html#DockerInc::Docker::Container | 09:39 |
| onorua | therve, wow, thank you, I was looking for that! | 09:39 |
| skraynev | sergmelikyan: differences between PrivateIp and PiblicIp ? or what? | 09:41 |
| sergmelikyan | skraynev, differences between PrivateIp and PiblicIp | 09:42 |
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| onorua | therve, great! it worked! | 09:43 |
| onorua | therve, thank you very much! | 09:43 |
| therve | No problem! | 09:43 |
| sorantis | therve, (or someone else from the core team) could you please take a look at https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/dynamic-flavors ? | 09:44 |
| sorantis | (detailed spec linked) | 09:44 |
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| skraynev | sergmelikyan: In current implementation (according to code data) using both attribute gives same result. | 09:46 |
| therve | sorantis, flavor management is admin only, right? | 09:50 |
| sorantis | therve, or it can be delegated to other users | 09:52 |
| therve | sorantis, How so? | 09:52 |
| sorantis | therve, by redefining the access controls in policy.json | 09:54 |
| therve | Okay | 09:54 |
| sorantis | therve, from the doc “These are configurable by admin users (the rights may also be delegated to other users by redefining the access controls for compute_extension:flavormanage in /etc/nova/policy.json on the nova-api server)” | 09:55 |
| therve | sorantis, Fair enough. I think the BP should be a bit more clear. | 09:55 |
| therve | It should really say "Add a Flavor resource" or something along those lines | 09:56 |
| sorantis | okay, will change | 09:56 |
| sorantis | what about the description. is it ok? | 09:56 |
| sorantis | changed | 09:57 |
| therve | Yeah it's ok | 09:58 |
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| sorantis | therve, ok. Approved? :) | 10:03 |
| therve | I don't know what our policy with that | 10:03 |
| therve | You should ask Zane when he comes up | 10:04 |
| sorantis | ok, will do. Thanks! | 10:04 |
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| shardy | Am I seeing this right, is there really no way to attach a volume to an instance via the cinderclient CLI? | 10:35 |
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| shardy | looks like it works via the python API but there's no shell action for it | 10:36 |
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| sergmelikyan | Why output value for this template may be empty? http://paste.openstack.org/show/76757/ | 10:45 |
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| shardy | sergmelikyan: You appear to have a weird mixture of CFN JSON and HOT syntax there | 10:50 |
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| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/cfn/F18/WordPress_NoKey.yaml#L158 | 10:52 |
| shardy | That's an example of how it should look if you're writing CFN JSON | 10:52 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/F20/WordPress_Native.yaml#L121 | 10:53 |
| shardy | or that for HOT | 10:53 |
| sergmelikyan | thx! | 10:54 |
| cmyster | shardy: shouldn't in this case heat will not validate the template ? | 10:54 |
| cmyster | if there is a mixup | 10:55 |
| cmyster | skraynev: you were working on template validation lately right ? | 10:56 |
| cmyster | iirc | 10:56 |
| shardy | cmyster: yes it should, but for Havana there was some tolerance of mixed CFN/HOT syntax which has been fixed for Icehouse | 10:56 |
| cmyster | ahhh | 10:56 |
| shardy | that may not even be the problem but it looks wrong | 10:56 |
| skraynev | cmyster: agree with shardy | 10:57 |
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| cmyster | ok I will ;) | 10:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sushil Kumar proposed a change to openstack/heat: Restores Nova API for volume attach and detach https://review.openstack.org/89796 | 11:21 |
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| sorantis | zaneb, got a minute? | 11:54 |
| skraynev | shardy: could you help with one question about stack-preview ? | 11:55 |
| skraynev | shardy: currently it shows resources, parameters and some other information, but I have not seen outputs. Is it right? | 11:57 |
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| shardy | skraynev: yes I think that is right, because outputs can't be resolved until the resources are actually created | 12:49 |
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| zaneb | sorantis: 1 minute ;) | 12:52 |
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| skraynev | shardy: ok, but we could show names of outputs with description... or you think it's not useful | 12:52 |
| sorantis | :) | 12:54 |
| sorantis | zaneb, I should make it quick then :) | 12:54 |
| sorantis | zaneb, could you please review this one https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/dynamic-flavors ? I talked to therve before, he said it looks ok, but referred to you for approval | 12:55 |
| shardy | skraynev: yes I guess we could, related to https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/failed-stack-outputs | 12:55 |
| shardy | skraynev: personally I don't see that much value in outputs specifically for preview, when by definition there are no outputs | 12:56 |
| shardy | the argument for a failed (partially instantiated) stack is more compelling IMO | 12:56 |
| zaneb | sorantis: the issue with that is that only administrators can do it | 12:57 |
| sorantis | zaneb, technically not only admins | 12:58 |
| zaneb | we do already have a bunch of properties that are admin-only (mainly for neutron) | 12:58 |
| sorantis | from the doc “These are configurable by admin users (the rights may also be delegated to other users by redefining the access controls for compute_extension:flavormanage in /etc/nova/policy.json on the nova-api server)” | 12:58 |
| zaneb | sorantis: you are technically correct ;) | 12:58 |
| skraynev | shardy: ok. it was my curiosity just ;) | 12:58 |
| therve | zaneb, The best kind of correct! :) | 12:58 |
| shardy | sorantis: technically, anyone can modify any policy to do anything :\ | 12:59 |
| shardy | the issue is we want to avoid, where possible, resources which break for normal users | 12:59 |
| zaneb | sorantis: what I would really like to see is a mechanism for filtering resources and properties on the basis of what permissions they require in policy.json | 12:59 |
| shardy | or at least figure out a way to hide them from them | 12:59 |
| zaneb | so the user sees only the things they are entitled to do | 12:59 |
| shardy | the problem is we don't have any visibilit of access control rules until things fail at runtime | 13:00 |
| shardy | visibility | 13:00 |
| sorantis | that’s right | 13:00 |
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| therve | FWIW I made the same objections, OTOH we had and still have admin-only resources in heat, so I don't think it's a criteria for rejection | 13:01 |
| zaneb | shardy: there's no way to evaluate users against e.g. nova's policy? | 13:01 |
| shardy | zaneb: well we have no way of knowing what's in nova's policy | 13:02 |
| zaneb | right, yeah, that was my question | 13:02 |
| shardy | zaneb: there is a policy API to keystone which could, AIUI allow centralized management of access policies, but AFAIK nobody yet supports it | 13:02 |
| zaneb | great | 13:03 |
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| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/identity-api/blob/master/openstack-identity-api/v3/src/markdown/identity-api-v3.md#policies | 13:03 |
| therve | zaneb, What would you do with it? | 13:03 |
| zaneb | sorantis: so you can certainly implement this and put it in /contrib | 13:03 |
| sorantis | zaneb, you mentioned other resources that admin-only, which ones? | 13:04 |
| zaneb | therve: <zaneb> sorantis: what I would really like to see is a mechanism for filtering resources and properties on the basis of what permissions they require in policy.json | 13:04 |
| therve | zaneb, Yeah what would you do with the mechanism? | 13:04 |
| therve | Like "resource don't exist" ? | 13:04 |
| zaneb | <zaneb> so the user sees only the things they are entitled to do | 13:04 |
| shardy | therve: avoid showing users resources they can't actually use in resource-type-list? | 13:04 |
| therve | shardy, Okay | 13:05 |
| sorantis | showing where? | 13:05 |
| shardy | There are multiple problems which prevent us actually being able to do that though | 13:05 |
| zaneb | sorantis: afaik only properties on e.g. OS::Neutron::Router. but therve mentioned whole resources that are admin-only | 13:05 |
| therve | Well WaitConditions and AutoScalingGroup were for a while | 13:05 |
| therve | That shouldn't be the case in icehouse with the proper configuration | 13:06 |
| zaneb | oh, that's true | 13:06 |
| shardy | therve: we'd need every project to support centralized policy management via keystone, and every resource would have to somehow expose a list of actions it needs to work | 13:06 |
| zaneb | although we've worked very hard to get rid of that | 13:06 |
| zaneb | and by 'we' I mean shardy | 13:06 |
| therve | shardy, Okay. My background idea is that failures do happen, I'm not sure why we should make permission errors different than everything else. Except I guess improve UX | 13:07 |
| shardy | therve: exactly, CREATE_FAILED due to permissions is a bad UX pattern | 13:08 |
| shardy | imagine creating a huge stack and have it fail after a long time due to unwittingly using an admin only property | 13:08 |
| shardy | it would be very irritating from a user perspective | 13:09 |
| sorantis | can this be checked at the stack validation phase? | 13:09 |
| therve | sorantis, If we had a mechanism, yeah :) | 13:09 |
| shardy | sorantis: no, because we have no idea what's in other projects policy.json files | 13:09 |
| shardy | sorantis: I've just mentioned what we'd need to actually make that work | 13:09 |
| sorantis | :) I got it now | 13:09 |
| zaneb | sorantis: so I would say in /contrib is 100% OK. moving it to the main tree may require more discussion. | 13:09 |
| therve | +1 | 13:10 |
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| sorantis | zaneb, good, thanks. | 13:12 |
| skraynev | zaneb: hi | 13:14 |
| zaneb | hi! | 13:14 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: when I worked on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89332/, I met some strange thing: we have a lot of attributes, which are duplicates of properties. I think, that it's redundant code and we should remove it. what do you think about it? | 13:17 |
| skraynev | zaneb: f.e. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89332/3/heat/engine/resources/neutron/loadbalancer.py | 13:18 |
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| zaneb | skraynev: yeah, stevebaker went all-out and made any data you could access through the neutron api an attribute :) | 13:19 |
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| zaneb | imo that was kind of overkill, but I don't think it hurts | 13:20 |
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| zaneb | certainly there will be circumstances where it is useful | 13:20 |
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| skraynev | zaneb: so, make sense leave it without changes. | 13:21 |
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| zaneb | yeah, we definitely don't want to break any existing templates | 13:22 |
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| skraynev | heh... it's nightmare: to add deprecate status for all these attributes :) | 13:23 |
| shardy | skraynev: also, it's not necessarily given that the attribute will be the same as the property | 13:24 |
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| shardy | e.g you might do a stack-check and find that something has changed out-of-band, which would be reflected in the attributes but not the properties | 13:25 |
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| skraynev | shardy: probably, yes. however not all attributes may be changed after creation (so they will be similar on properties) | 13:29 |
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| shardy | skraynev: well the underlying thing might have been deleted, in which case that could be reflected via attributes, but not properties | 13:33 |
| shardy | I think it's fair to expose anything accessible via $thing.get() as an attribute, or at least it's not harmful to do so | 13:33 |
| sorantis | shardy, zaneb, therve comming back to the flavor blueprint discussion, should I change the status on the bluerprint page? | 13:35 |
| skraynev | shardy: ok, in such way we could extend all existing attribute schemes using properties... | 13:36 |
| shardy | skraynev: IMO that doesn't make sense either, as every property is not necessarily an attribute | 13:37 |
| shardy | skraynev: what might make sense is to have some sort of common object definition which describes the object description for the underlying API | 13:38 |
| shardy | assuming the API follows the common pattern of get() returning the same dict that you post on create | 13:38 |
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| skraynev | shardy: ok. thank you ;) | 13:42 |
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| sdake | morning | 13:45 |
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| Qiming | hi | 13:57 |
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| Qiming | will we consider introducing the 'cliff' package into heatclient? | 14:02 |
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| therve | Qiming, I'd be surprised given this effort: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/oslo/+spec/common-client-library-2 | 14:21 |
| Qiming | therve, thanks for the pointer | 14:23 |
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| Qiming | does it mean that in future, all <project>client will be merged into the common client library? | 14:24 |
| pas-ha | I've just filed https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1311707. There are two simple (but related) fixes. Should I rather create two separate bugs? | 14:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1311707 in heat "fix size property shema in volume resources" [Undecided,New] | 14:39 |
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| therve | Qiming, No I think that means that all clients will use the same base code | 14:42 |
| therve | pas-ha, That bug is wrong, size is not required | 14:42 |
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| sorantis | Just checked the output of ‘heat resource-type-list’ it doesn’t show the resources stored in /contrib. is this correct? | 14:45 |
| Qiming | therve, thanks. | 14:46 |
| therve | sorantis, You need to explicitely enable them in the heat configuration | 14:46 |
| sorantis | therve, you mean the plugin dir? | 14:47 |
| therve | sorantis, Yes | 14:48 |
| sorantis | therve, right, thank. reading the docs. It says I should copy the python modules to this predefined folder. will it work if I point plugin_dirs to the /contrib folder? i guess not.. | 14:50 |
| sorantis | s* | 14:50 |
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| therve | sorantis, I don't think contrib works, but contrib/$resource should | 14:51 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Move rackspace templates in a contrib directory https://review.openstack.org/83732 | 14:51 |
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| sorantis | I’ve added a directory to /contrib | 14:52 |
| sorantis | now the structure is the following: | 14:52 |
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| pas-ha | therve: just checked it with freshest devstack - if SIZE is omitted from template, stack-create fails - BadRequest: Invalid input received: Volume size None must be an integer and greater than 0 | 14:53 |
| sorantis | contrib/nova_flavor/nova_flavor/resources | 14:53 |
| sorantis | contrib/nova_flavor/nova_flavor/tests | 14:53 |
| therve | pas-ha, Because you don't pass another parameter which would make it unnecessary | 14:53 |
| therve | sorantis, If you respected the other structure, contrib/nova_flavor should work I believe | 14:54 |
| sorantis | therve, right, what if I want to specify more than one ? | 14:54 |
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| therve | sorantis, You add it, it's a list | 14:55 |
| pas-ha | therve: ok, good point. but then we must validate properties better | 14:55 |
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| sorantis | great! thanks! will try it now | 14:55 |
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| therve | pas-ha, Possibly. It's not required, that's what I wanted to point out | 14:57 |
| pas-ha | therve: and what do you think of the second point (switch from number to integer)? | 14:58 |
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| therve | pas-ha, That sounds reasonable | 14:59 |
| pas-ha | ok, will file a separate bug for better validation | 15:00 |
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| Qiming | shardy, are you around? | 15:12 |
| shardy | Qiming: Hi | 15:12 |
| Qiming | shardy, what do you think if we add a '(Admin only)' annotation to 'resource-type-list' ? | 15:13 |
| shardy | Qiming: the same problem I described earlier exists, we have no way of knowing what is admin only without access to policies | 15:14 |
| Qiming | shardy, I see. The same problem remains unsolved. | 15:14 |
| shardy | we can't just hard-code things to match default policy.json rules, as it's very likely deployers will have site specific RBAC policies | 15:14 |
| Qiming | exactly | 15:15 |
| sorantis | therve, hm.. ERROR heat.common.plugin_loader [-] Failed to import module heat.engine.plugins.rackspace.tests.test_auto_scale | 15:15 |
| sorantis | looks like a bug | 15:16 |
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| therve | Why? | 15:18 |
| sorantis | CRITICAL heat [-] ImportError: No module named mock | 15:18 |
| sorantis | no wait | 15:19 |
| therve | You should remove those tests | 15:19 |
| sorantis | it shouldn’t load tests | 15:19 |
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| sorantis | my bad | 15:19 |
| therve | Well, maybe not | 15:22 |
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| sorantis | can’t load them | 15:24 |
| sorantis | plugin_dirs = /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor/nova/flavor/resources,/opt/stack/heat/contrib/rackspace/rackspace/resources | 15:25 |
| sorantis | typo | 15:25 |
| sorantis | still don’t see the added resources | 15:26 |
| sorantis | plugin_dirs = /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor/nova_flavor/resources,/opt/stack/heat/contrib/rackspace/rackspace/resources | 15:27 |
| therve | That's not the path I told you to try :) | 15:30 |
| therve | /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor/ is the one | 15:30 |
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| sorantis | yes, just realized that | 15:31 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Change volume size property type to integer https://review.openstack.org/89880 | 15:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add range constraint to AWS volume size https://review.openstack.org/89881 | 15:34 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Adding attribute schema class for attributes https://review.openstack.org/86525 | 15:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sushil Kumar proposed a change to openstack/heat: Restores Nova API for volume attach and detach https://review.openstack.org/89796 | 15:47 |
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| sorantis | so, finally I managed to get nova_flavor visible in the resource list | 15:49 |
| sorantis | 2014-04-23 15:48:46.450 INFO heat.engine.environment [-] Registering OS::Nova::Flavor -> <class 'heat.engine.plugins.nova_flavor.resources.nova_flavor.NovaFlavor'> | 15:51 |
| sorantis | still can’t see the rackspace and docker resources though | 15:51 |
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| therve | Do you have the appropriate dependencies installed? | 15:56 |
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| sorantis | no, but why should it matter when I do resource-type-list? | 16:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Spatzier proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Add WordPress example using software config https://review.openstack.org/89885 | 16:04 |
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| sorantis | therve, imho, the way I see it if a resource has been loaded without errors it should be visible via resource-type-list. | 16:09 |
| shardy | sorantis: if you don't have the dependencies installed then it won't load without errors | 16:09 |
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| therve | It starts without "errors" | 16:10 |
| therve | There should be a log message though | 16:10 |
| sorantis | I’m looking at it now | 16:10 |
| sorantis | nothing | 16:10 |
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| sorantis | 2014-04-23 15:57:34.050 INFO heat.engine.environment [-] Registering OS::Nova::Flavor -> <class 'heat.engine.plugins.nova_flavor.resources.nova_flavor.NovaFlavor'> this is my resource | 16:11 |
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| sorantis | but nothing about docker or rackspace | 16:11 |
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| erecio | Hi everbody. I have a doubt about the AWS::EC2::SecurityGroup resource. Under this resource you have two diff properties SecurityGroupEgress and SecurityGroupIngress. Both has a property named IpProtocol and in the AWS docs say that cant take this valid values for EC2-VPC " tcp | udp | icmp or any protocol number (see Protocol Numbers). Use -1 to specify all." (Ref http://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSCloudFormation/latest/UserGuide/aws-properties | 16:48 |
| erecio | -ec2-security-group-rule.html). | 16:48 |
| erecio | Right now Openstack not support the value "-1", its possible to add a BP to support this? Im new on OS and Im not sure. Thanks. | 16:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/89232 | 16:53 |
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| shardy | Can anyone confirm if cinder volume attachments still work for them after https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86638/? | 17:29 |
| shardy | I'm seeing them work via nova volume-attach but not via OS::Cinder::VolumeAttachment | 17:30 |
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| therve | shardy, I haven't tried but I saw bug #1311533 | 17:51 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1311533 in heat "volume is not getting attached to nova instance " [Undecided,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1311533 | 17:51 |
| shardy | therve: thanks, that does describe what we're seeing | 17:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Ignore template validation when checking stacks https://review.openstack.org/89905 | 17:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement check for Instance resource https://review.openstack.org/89906 | 17:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Check resources are in expected states https://review.openstack.org/58641 | 17:53 |
| shardy | FWIW I'm working on a tempest test which should make that kind of regression fail the gate in future | 17:54 |
| therve | That'd be awesome | 17:54 |
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| therve | shardy, Any idea what's the problem. | 17:54 |
| therve | ? | 17:54 |
| shardy | therve: not really, other than the cinder API doesn't seem to work | 17:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Check resources are in expected states https://review.openstack.org/89908 | 17:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Ignore template validation when checking stacks https://review.openstack.org/89905 | 17:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement check for Instance resource https://review.openstack.org/89906 | 17:55 |
| shardy | their API for attach/detatch isn't exposed via the CLI or documented at all, so I guess maybe it's a known issue | 17:55 |
| shardy | https://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/1311733 | 17:55 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1311733 in cinder "volume actions undocumented" [Undecided,New] | 17:56 |
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| radix | is there a BP about that resource event notifications idea that's been floating around? | 18:12 |
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| radix | i.e., sending notifications (over HTTP or maybe marconi?) when resources change state to give them a chance to do something before/after the transition | 18:39 |
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| radix | like doing something before deleting a server | 18:40 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Make Docker property schema similar with others https://review.openstack.org/88581 | 19:03 |
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| radix | zaneb, SpamapS ^ ? | 19:05 |
| randallburt | radix are you talking about http://summit.openstack.org/cfp/details/86? | 19:05 |
| radix | aha! yeah, probably that. | 19:06 |
| randallburt | radix: because there are two that I know of. 1 is user-facing and the other is intra-service | 19:06 |
| randallburt | radix: I am current working on shoring up Blueprints/lifecycle-callbacks | 19:06 |
| radix | nice | 19:07 |
| radix | definitely the user-facing one. | 19:07 |
| radix | the main use case I've heard is pre-resource-deletion stuff | 19:07 |
| randallburt | radix: whoops. forgot to actually submit. https://blueprints.launchpad.net/heat/+spec/lifecycle-callbacks | 19:07 |
| radix | :) | 19:08 |
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| radix | randallburt: anyway thanks, I just wanted to make sure we'd be talking about this at the summit | 19:11 |
| randallburt | radix: np | 19:11 |
| zaneb | we are definitely talking about that at the summit :) | 19:11 |
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| sdake | popcorn on legal-discuss | 19:29 |
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| SpamapS | radix: I'm working on a little resource plugin right now that extends OS::Nova::Server to create a deployment and wait on it before it does a rebuild. | 19:36 |
| SpamapS | radix: same for delete | 19:37 |
| SpamapS | radix: that will be enough to give us 0 downtime updates in TripleO. | 19:37 |
| radix | cool | 19:43 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Copy the resource registry for user environments https://review.openstack.org/89695 | 19:52 |
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| zaneb | meeting time y'all | 20:00 |
| sdake | o/ | 20:02 |
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| SpamapS | radix: I suggest we complete planning for post-meeting call here | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | randallburt: ^ | 20:32 |
| SpamapS | lifeless: ^^ | 20:32 |
| radix | ok cool | 20:32 |
| randallburt | k | 20:33 |
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| randallburt | I don't know that I'd be essential to this discussion; I have grave reservations around taskflow as a project; but I get what lifeless was saying around concepts and slices of its functionality. | 20:33 |
| radix | I'm mostly concerned about higher level things than taskflow | 20:34 |
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| radix | randallburt: ok, well I can talk to you afterwards to catch you up | 20:34 |
| lifeless | randallburt: ok so if we use more generic terms for those bits, maybe we can have the more essential discussions | 20:35 |
| lifeless | randallburt: taskflow is an impl strategy for a design, not a design itself: I'm not wedded to it (though I expect possible TC pushback might emerge over time...) | 20:35 |
| randallburt | radix: k. lifeless. sure, fair enough | 20:36 |
| lifeless | randallburt: when are you available? I have a hard stop in 4.5 hours to take C to gymnastics | 20:36 |
| lifeless | and then will be back 2 hours later | 20:36 |
| randallburt | lifeless: checking | 20:37 |
| radix | my EOD is 2.5 hours, and I am going to a Mogwai concert tonight :P | 20:38 |
| randallburt | lifeless: I'll need at least another 1.5 hours. Tomorrow looks clear for me though | 20:38 |
| lifeless | no water after midnight! | 20:38 |
| lifeless | tomorrow is a pub holiday here | 20:38 |
| lifeless | then your friday I'm in a plane all day | 20:38 |
| lifeless | I may be able to do something tomorrow | 20:38 |
| radix | I hope the pubs aren't closed | 20:39 |
| lifeless | but - lets have a discussion in 1.5 hours from how, that gives us 1 hour of time. | 20:39 |
| randallburt | sounds good. | 20:39 |
| radix | ok, cool | 20:39 |
| lifeless | radix: on ANZAC day? hell no they won't be :) | 20:39 |
| lifeless | radix: you have SpamapS and my G+ details, can you 'host' it ? | 20:39 |
| radix | sure thing. | 20:39 |
| SpamapS | so 2200 UTC then | 20:41 |
| radix | confirmed | 20:42 |
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| lifeless | stevebaker: that means heat there has an extra ssh key on every users machine ?!! | 21:01 |
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| randallburt | lifeless: no. its a nova keypair | 21:01 |
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| randallburt | created by the user in the same template | 21:01 |
| lifeless | randallburt: but which the rackspace infrastructure holds the private key for? | 21:02 |
| randallburt | lifeless: but full disclosure the Rackspace server compat resource did work that way at one time | 21:02 |
| randallburt | lifeless: Heat | 21:02 |
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| stevebaker | lifeless, randallburt: I have an idea to get software-config working on rax. Once it is possible to poll and signal via a swift object, the rax variant could use temp URL objects | 21:02 |
| shardy | stevebaker: ooh, interesting :) | 21:04 |
| kebray | yes, interesting. | 21:04 |
| randallburt | stevebaker: we've thought along similar lines. andrew_plunk has some ideas to get it working as well, but they rely on a heatkeystone client that talks to our internal infra, and so wouldn't be shared | 21:04 |
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| randallburt | off to more meetings. bbl | 21:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make Server CONFIG_DRIVE property a boolean https://review.openstack.org/89939 | 21:32 |
| openstackgerrit | Jason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Don't use SSH in Rackspace::Cloud::Server https://review.openstack.org/83218 | 21:32 |
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| lifeless | SpamapS: I'm going to try and add overviews to the etherpad | 21:43 |
| lifeless | before this hangout | 21:43 |
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| SpamapS | lifeless: good idea | 21:44 |
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| lifeless | radix: ready anytime :) | 21:57 |
| SpamapS | me too | 21:59 |
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| radix | yo, yeah, starting it | 22:01 |
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| zaneb | stevebaker: I like the sound of that | 22:21 |
| stevebaker | of what? | 22:21 |
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| zaneb | "Once it is possible to poll and signal via a swift object, the rax variant could use temp URL objects" | 22:21 |
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| stevebaker | ah, yes | 22:23 |
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| sdake | zaneb nice job on running the heat meeting - these summit planning sessions can be chaotic :) | 22:35 |
| sdake | if I hadn't been on the phone all day I'd complimented you earlier :) | 22:35 |
| zaneb | cheers :) | 22:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Move software-config templates to example-templates https://review.openstack.org/84909 | 22:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Software config hook to provision using shell scripts https://review.openstack.org/70297 | 22:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: READMEs for software-config templates and hooks https://review.openstack.org/84910 | 22:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Software config hook to provision using puppet https://review.openstack.org/70639 | 22:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Software config hook to provision using cfn-init https://review.openstack.org/79759 | 22:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Steve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: os-refresh-config script to invoke config hooks https://review.openstack.org/79758 | 22:45 |
| stevebaker | I'm driving home now, will be away for a few hours | 22:48 |
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| radix | zaneb: hey, so I think we're going to drop my session and... "converge" (uggggh) with the one from lifeless :) | 23:00 |
| zaneb | ok | 23:01 |
| zaneb | do we still want the autoscaling session? | 23:01 |
| lifeless | radix: ^ | 23:03 |
| radix | hmm | 23:03 |
| radix | I don't know, let me think about that some more :) | 23:03 |
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| zaneb | ok | 23:04 |
| radix | if we do, we should probably have it after the scaling & robustness one | 23:04 |
| lifeless | zaneb: btw the etherpad is shaping up well if you want to eyeball it | 23:04 |
| zaneb | yes, immediately after is where it will go if we have it | 23:04 |
| zaneb | since lifeless is proposing nothing less than a ground-up rewrite of all of heat ;) | 23:04 |
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| radix | :) | 23:06 |
| * radix -> dinner & Mogwai | 23:09 | |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Don't manipulate LoadBalancer template in-place https://review.openstack.org/89958 | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Don't manipulate template during abandon https://review.openstack.org/89959 | 23:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Raise InvalidTemplateReference for missing resources https://review.openstack.org/89960 | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: unit tests: Test dependency resolution using validate() https://review.openstack.org/89961 | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Don't wrap HeatExceptions during validation https://review.openstack.org/89962 | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: unit tests: Check validation in VPC test https://review.openstack.org/89963 | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: unit tests: Don't mess with template retrospectively https://review.openstack.org/89964 | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Autoscaling: compare fully-resolved templates https://review.openstack.org/89965 | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Unit tests: tidy up resolve_runtime_data() calls https://review.openstack.org/89966 | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Pass unresolved template to Resource.update() https://review.openstack.org/89967 | 23:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Deprecate Stack.resolve_runtime_data() https://review.openstack.org/89968 | 23:16 |
| zaneb | have some patches. | 23:17 |
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| lifeless | zaneb: so clint has had to run too - I'm just going to write up the programming model section and then I'd like to send to the list for review | 23:47 |
| lifeless | zaneb: would you like to eyeball the current doc for scary/ideas/errata etc now ? | 23:47 |
| zaneb | have to disappear too, but I had a quick look already | 23:47 |
| zaneb | Transition plan | 23:47 |
| zaneb | ============ | 23:47 |
| zaneb | TO BE WRITTEN | 23:47 |
| zaneb | that's the frightening part ^ ;) | 23:47 |
| lifeless | yes :/ ETIME in the call. Would you like a sketch in there before sending to the list? I have stuff in my head but its not been group-discussed yet | 23:47 |
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| zaneb | +1 I think a starting point would be nice | 23:47 |
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