Tuesday, 2014-04-29

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sdake_groan new cold incoming00:43
* sdake_ sighs at the downsides of having children00:43
sdake_only 1 more month00:43
sdake_until i get a 3 month break from being sick 24/700:43
sdake_on the plus side when I get old my immune system will have reached rockstar status00:44
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mattoliverausdake_: ouch, you sending the kids away, or are you retreating into one of those clean rooms for a few months? :P00:46
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sdake_nah the kid sdon tpick up germs during summer for some reason01:02
sdake_clean room good idea - dont think it would fit in with my household :)01:03
openstackgerritSteve Baker proposed a change to openstack/heat: Truncate status_reason to column length  https://review.openstack.org/9086301:04
stevebakerlifeless: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90863/01:05
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sdake_time for nyquil passout later01:09
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lifelessstevebaker: \o/01:10
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openstackgerritJun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Add one example to show deploy sequence  https://review.openstack.org/8175701:40
openstackgerritJun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Example template that performs copying of SSH keys  https://review.openstack.org/8339701:41
openstackgerritJun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Move below two templates to sub directory  https://review.openstack.org/8523201:41
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cmystermorning03:42
mattoliveraumorning cmyster03:43
cmystersup03:44
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sdake_openstack summit breaks are at 4:2004:43
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cmysterOK04:52
cmysterHi sdake_04:52
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sdake_yo cmyster04:57
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Heat client does not support OS_CACERT option  https://review.openstack.org/8766405:16
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skraynevGood Morning!06:07
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/8975006:09
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mattoliveraumorning skraynev06:32
skraynevtherve: could you please re-workflow (re-approve) patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/86855/  ;)06:34
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cmystermorning skraynev06:59
skraynevhello mattoliverau, cmyster ;)06:59
cmysterSup seroja ;)06:59
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therveGood morning!07:10
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mattoliveraumorning therve07:15
mattoliverauAnyway I'm calling it a day, have a great night/day everyone!07:15
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mattoliverautherve: I'm not leaving cause you've just arrive, you don't smell or anything :)07:16
pas-hamorning07:18
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shardymorning all07:19
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat-templates: Add one example to show deploy sequence  https://review.openstack.org/8175707:53
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat-templates: Example template that performs copying of SSH keys  https://review.openstack.org/8339707:53
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openstackgerritDimitri Mazmanov proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a Nova Flavor resource.  https://review.openstack.org/9002908:08
shardytspatzier: FYI I just posted this https://review.openstack.org/9094208:09
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shardyadds you to heat-core for the script generated review stats08:09
tspatzierHi shardy08:09
tspatzierlet me see ...08:10
shardytspatzier: no action required really, just FYI so we don't post duplicate patches :)08:10
tspatziershardy: ah, I see. Yet anything thing I learned about openstack infrastructure ;-)08:11
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tspatziers/anything/another thing/08:11
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cmysterhey shardy have you seen my fixes ?08:35
ramishraHi All08:36
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SushilKMHi core-reviewers please review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/89796/08:39
therveSushilKM, Should that be a revert with a reference to the original commit?08:40
therveSushilKM, Also, what's the point of the cinder attach/detach APIs? Are they just broken?08:41
SushilKMactually not because it has few more changes ....08:41
therve"Cinder's API attach-detach APIs do not actually work with Nova instances." ? WTH?08:41
therveWhy does it have few more changes?08:42
SushilKMas informed on bug report cinder APIs only update metadata and do not work for actual attach-detach with nova instance08:42
SushilKMthose chnages were suggested by "Pavlo Shchelokovskyy" and "Steven Hardy" for another bug.08:43
cmysterbrb08:43
therveAh I see the comment08:44
SushilKM:)08:45
therveSushilKM, What about the other question? Why don't cinder APIs work?08:45
SushilKMlike i said earlier cinder APIs do not actually attach/detach they only update metadata.08:45
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therveI wonder what was the point of the original patch08:49
SushilKMoriginal means changing from nova to cinder08:49
skraynevtherve: there were two points08:50
pas-haoriginal bug was 129835008:50
skraynevtherve: 1. make current realization clearly and use native client08:50
pas-hai've done two variant of fixes, asked everybody to test them, bug reporter checked both and found the one with cinder api better.08:51
skraynevtherve: 2. fix some problems with using several volumes08:51
thervepas-ha, Better as it doesn't work at all?08:51
SushilKMyes and they wud have only tested stack which did not makes any problem .... but if u try using the mount-point you wud get the problem in compute instance.08:52
pas-hano, the cpu consumption was way higher, devstack hanged pretty tight08:52
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pas-haso this new patch is reimplementig my alternative (abandoned) fix08:53
shardytherve: IME the cinder attachement API definitely does not work, so it would appear it's utterly pointless08:56
shardypas-ha, SushilKM: Is there a cinder bug we can track re the API not working?08:57
SushilKMam not aware about that :( did not chkd on cinder side ....08:57
pas-hanot that I now of. this whole api is strange, as it not exposed via cli at all, only for objects returned by python client08:57
SushilKMyes this is not even released on CLI, it is only in programmatic part that one can use08:58
pas-halooks like it's only purpose is to debug the cinder volumes left hanging it attached state08:58
SushilKMcinder's attach-detach API08:58
shardyprobably we need to either raise a cinder bug or mark 1311533 as also affecting cinder09:00
pas-haanother possibility (judging from the cinder code) is that the actual actions are left to the underlying driver, but I haven't seen a cinder driver implementing calls to nova yet09:00
shardyThe cinder API should raise some sort of NotImplemented exception IMO, instead of silently doing nothing09:02
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shardySushilKM: thanks for updating the patch, it looks good, I'm just testing it locally now09:04
SushilKMsure shardy09:04
SushilKMthanks09:04
SushilKMbtw, i had tested it few times, but yes one has to test it ....09:04
SushilKM:)09:04
shardySushilKM: I'm going to run https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90143/ against it :)09:05
pas-haI've also tested it already, see my comment in Gerrit09:05
SushilKM:)09:05
pas-habut having a tempest run against it would be nice :)09:06
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shardyhopefully soon we can get that test reworked to the satisfaction of the tempest folks and get a gate test on it09:06
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Document the availability of OS::stack_name and OS::stack_id  https://review.openstack.org/8965109:06
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Fix many typos  https://review.openstack.org/9050509:07
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shardyRan 3 tests in 155.299s OK \o/ :)09:10
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SushillKMyup agree09:11
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SushillKMthanks shardy for review09:14
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SushillKMstill in search for more reviews so that it could be soon merged09:14
SushillKM:)09:14
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: tests make dummy db setup/reset consistent  https://review.openstack.org/9041309:23
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: tests remove wr_delete_after decorator  https://review.openstack.org/9041409:23
openstackgerritSergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Allow empty sections in the yaml templates  https://review.openstack.org/9005809:24
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shardyOh great, the new gerrit doesn't support the same queries as the old one :\09:26
SushillKM:(09:27
cmystershardy: have you tried kicking it in the knee ?09:30
cmysterbbl food09:32
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shardyhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/77645/09:34
shardyIf anyone else has broken queries hopefully that will help - the label syntax seems to have changed significantly09:35
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SushillKMon http://status.openstack.org/zuul/ for 89796,3 it is saying SKIPPED for all test, is that normal ....09:37
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therveshardy, It's parsed but doesn't return anything?09:45
shardytherve: yeah, I had to update the query from the first line to the second line in the paste to get any results09:46
therveAh yeah09:46
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therveIt was a major upgrade09:47
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ramishrashardy: hello, do you have few minutes to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90336/?10:02
shardyramishra: sure10:03
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ramishrashardy: and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82853/. Hoping to get more core attention for this one.. been there for a long time..10:07
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shardyramishra: will do, FWIW that would've been much easier to review as a series of patches, one per resource, instead of a giant mega-patch :)10:09
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ramishrashardy: it's mostly boilerplate code.. hence I did not split it.. Do you still suggest we split it?10:10
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shardyramishra: It's up to you, I'm just pointing out that many reviewers will, understandably, skip or deprioritize a 1k LOC patch, as it's way harder to review properly than something smaller10:12
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shardyramishra: let me review it later today then we can see if stevebaker will take another look when he comes online10:12
ramishrashardy: sure..thanks10:18
shardyramishra: In https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90336/2/heat/tests/test_instance.py, isn't pshchelo right, in that the path where the server is returne but the status is ERROR is untested?10:18
shardybecause _test_instance_create_delete always raises NotFound?10:19
shardyor rather stubs it so novaclient does10:19
ramishrashardy: my point is the change is on deleting an 'ERROR' instance. once delete is called, there would be no status as 'ERROR', the test is about delete of existing instances10:20
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ramishrashardy: We would not get ant 'DELETED' status as well, it's always going to NotFound.. irrespective of the status...10:23
ramishrashardy: does that make sense?10:23
shardyramishra: I think the point is you're only testing one possible exit path from the loop, but there are three possible paths:10:25
shardy1. server.status == "DELETED"10:25
shardy2. except clients.novaclient.exceptions.NotFound:10:26
shardy3. server stays in ERROR state10:26
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ramishrashardy: We would never get state 310:26
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ramishrashardy: on all my tests it's always going to be 2 (NotFound).. If you check OS::Nova::Server, 1, 3 and not tested10:28
ramishrashardy: I also suggest we remove the 'DELETED' check too..10:28
shardyramishra: can the nova API ever return a server with status DELETED?10:29
ramishraThere is a status 'DELETED' but for the admins as per the documentation..10:29
ramishrashardy: There is a status 'DELETED' but for the admins as per the documentation..10:30
shardyHow is visibility of deleted servers controlled, via policy.json?10:31
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shardyI don't see a show_deleted=False option to servers.get in the novalclient API10:32
pas-haramishra: see my comment in Gerrit10:36
ramishrashardy: normally nova client does not show servers as 'DELETED'. However, they exist with vm_state 'DELETED' in the database..10:38
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openstackgerrithuangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add Glance Image resource  https://review.openstack.org/9097611:09
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ramishrapas-ha: u there?11:23
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SushillKMhello shardy and therve merge failed for rebase11:38
therveDang11:38
SushillKMi m rebasing the code ....11:39
SushillKMwud need the reviews again11:39
SushillKM:)11:39
therveSure thing11:39
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openstackgerritSushil Kumar proposed a change to openstack/heat: Restores Nova API for volume attach and detach  https://review.openstack.org/8979611:46
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SushillKMfine. I have rebased the same11:47
SushillKMplease review the same ....11:47
SushillKMThanks11:47
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openstackgerritRabi Mishra proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fixes stack rollback failure with AWS::EC2::Instance  https://review.openstack.org/9033612:19
ramishrashardy,pas-ha: added all possible tests for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90336.. including 'DELETED'(not sure whether we get that status at all).. pl. review12:20
pas-haok, will do12:20
shardyramishra: thanks!12:21
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openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement snapshots for servers and images  https://review.openstack.org/8728012:41
openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add APIs to create and manipulate snapshots  https://review.openstack.org/8727912:41
openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add RPC method to snapshot stacks  https://review.openstack.org/8727812:41
openstackgerritThomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add database model to store snapshots  https://review.openstack.org/8727712:41
openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Order imports in alphabetical order (9/9)  https://review.openstack.org/8536112:45
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therveshardy, So, snapshot status13:34
sdakemorning fellow heaters13:34
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therveshardy, It should be in data indeed, but I want it to be more readily available for checking that the snapshot is done13:34
therveIE IN_PROGRESS -> COMPLETE | FAILED13:34
thervestatus_reason is just there to persist if an error happened13:35
shardytherve: hey, on a call so will get back to you13:35
therveCool thanks13:35
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rpothiersdake Hi13:40
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tspatziertherve: you're around?14:39
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thervetspatzier, Hi14:39
tspatzierhi14:39
tspatzierdid you recently try a template with a custom constraint? I am seeing an issue with nova.flavor14:39
therveNot recently no. What's happening?14:40
tspatzierJust a sec ...14:40
tspatzierI am getting this error (just pasted end of stack trace): http://paste.openstack.org/show/77721/14:42
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tspatzierHappens with a current devstack and latest master when doing a template-validate or stack-create with a custom constraint.14:43
tspatzierCould this be a setup issue in my environment?14:43
thervePossibly, let me try14:43
therveDoes that happen with all constraints?14:43
tspatzierShall I paste my sample template?14:44
therveSure go ahead14:44
tspatzierhttp://paste.openstack.org/show/77722/14:45
therveIt seems to work for me when doing template-validate14:45
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tspatzierOk, otherwise somebody would have complained already.14:47
tspatzierDo you have an idea what the issue could be?14:47
therveYou don't have a pending patch of some sort?14:49
therveI don't know if people would have complained, it's certainly not the most used feature :)14:49
tspatzierNo, just checked. When debugging I see that the roc context is None.14:49
tspatziers/rco/rpc/14:49
openstackgerritSergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Removing default version for templates  https://review.openstack.org/8338014:50
tspatzier... but it's a cool feature :-)14:50
thervetspatzier, Ah got it with your template14:52
tspatziertherve: ?14:52
thervetspatzier, I can reproduce with your template, not the one I had14:53
tspatzierAh, what did you use before?14:53
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thervetspatzier, It's because of the default value14:55
therveIt doesn't try to validate if you don't have one, thus not failing14:55
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tspatzierSo you mean, without a default it would go thru?14:57
therveYeah14:57
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tspatzierSo basically at the time the validation runs (if it is triggered) we don't have the right context yet?14:58
therveThe value is not propagated properly15:00
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tspatzierInteresting. Without default both template-validate and stack-create work. With default, both fail.15:01
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tspatzierI can open a bug and look into it. Unless you know out of the top of your head what is wrong ;-)15:01
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therveWell I know what's wrong, I don't know what's the fix yet :)15:03
tspatzierOk, then I'll look into it.15:03
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tspatzierThanks for validating it is really a bug and not just an issue in my env.15:04
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shardytherve: hi, back, sorry for the delay15:07
shardyso the top level status is the status of the snapshot, and data.status is the status before the snapshot right?15:08
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Qimingshardy: hi15:19
shardyQiming: hi15:20
Qimingshardy: can you help validate my understanding of how the xxxxx_IHA.template works?  here: http://snag.gy/tRYCW.jpg15:21
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thervetspatzier, This is fairly horrible but this is what I got: http://paste.openstack.org/show/77735/15:22
therveshardy, Hum.... I don't think so? data.status ought to be the status after the snapshot15:23
tspatziertherve: thanks. You mean horrible because it affects so many places in the code?15:25
thervetspatzier, Yeah...15:25
tspatzierseems like some lacy validation would be nice. I.e. first try to create all the objects and then do validation at a point where the context is there?15:26
shardyQiming: basically correct, although cfn-hup talks to the CFN API not heat-api-cloudwatch:15:27
shardyhttps://github.com/hardys/presentations/blob/master/owf_heat_autoscaling_ceilometer_04102013.pdf15:27
shardysee slide 515:27
openstackgerritIhar Hrachyshka proposed a change to openstack/heat: Synced jsonutils from oslo-incubator  https://review.openstack.org/9106915:27
Qimingshardy: thanks.15:27
shardyQiming: also if you use the ceilometer based implementation for the alarm, then you no longer store any data in the engine:15:28
shardyhttps://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/etc/heat/environment.d/default.yaml#L615:28
shardywhich is the preferred solution now, all the watch_rule stuff is somewhat deprecated and historical, although we've not yet figured out how to remove it15:28
Qimingdoes ceilometer have a customized/existing meter 'heartbeat'?15:28
shardyin future, I hope we can have an agent like cfn-push-stats which talks directly to the ceilometer API, so we won't have to proxy the metrics via heat-api-cloudwatch15:29
shardyQiming: Yes, it's just a sample count15:30
QimingTo use the template you showed me, I have to use cloudwatch, I have to have cfntools inside the VM, maybe I have to provide CloudFormation::Init section even if I am using Nova server15:30
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shardyYou don't have to have a CloudFormation::Init section, you just need to deploy credentials such that cfn-push-stats will work15:31
shardyhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/83924/3/tempest/scenario/orchestration/test_ha.yaml15:31
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Qimingyou mean no need to run cfn-init?15:31
shardyThat is an example of how you can do it with no cfn-init15:31
shardyQiming: not if you don't want to15:32
QimingI will try it tomorrow, shardy15:32
shardyActually that whole test template is probably a better/clearer example to start with15:32
Qimingbased on the test_ha.yaml template, I will try replace CloudWatch alarm with a ceilometer one15:33
shardyQiming: the first step is just to enable the ceilometer based implementation for AWS::CloudWatch::Alarm:15:35
shardyhttps://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/etc/heat/environment.d/default.yaml#L615:35
Qimingwe may need a heat-signal tool that can be deployed into a server or even on the physical host15:35
shardyuncomment line 6 a comment line 715:35
shardyQiming: what is the use-case for heat-signal?15:36
shardyI have been looking at options for simple native signalling to replace AWS wait conditions recently15:36
Qimingsignaling a deployment has completed; signaling something bad happened; signaling a heartbeat to ceilometer ...15:37
shardySoftwareDeployments satisfy the first use-case, but I have been looking at alternative somewhat simpler approaches15:38
shardyfor when you just want to signal direct from the user-data15:38
shardyThe bit we haven't solved yet is how you send data directly to ceilometer, without sending it via heat15:39
shardyand the only problem there really is credentials15:39
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QimingI have a heat-signal script that signals Heat that a nova server is down, while in Heat, I have a customized server group that will invoke nova.servers.reboot(id), nova.servers.evacuate(id) according to policy setting15:40
Qimingin the script, I was assuming that I am the stack owner, so I didn't bother with credentials15:41
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shardywell the problem with that is you never want the stack owner's credentials deployed inside an instance15:42
Qimingthis is a prototype of the HA cluster I mentioned to you before.15:42
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Qimingshardy: yes. We are not escalating the stack user's privilege inside an instance. I was doing this experiment at host level.15:43
shardyQiming: ah, I see15:44
Qimingthe next thing I want to try is to listen to the 'server shutoff' message posted by nova, and then have heat-signal invoked when this message is heard15:44
Qimingshardy: as you can see, it is a dirty hack. but according to our customer (a retailer business just shifted from cloudstack), they don't want us to touch their images.15:46
Qimingwhile at the same time, they need some VM level high availability solution15:46
shardySurely what you're proposing won't recover if the hang is in software?15:47
shardyonly if someone does some out-of-band operation on the server via nova?15:47
Qimingshardy: right.  If software inside an instance hangs, we can do nothing.  Unless they allow us to inject some heartbeat agents into it, just like VMware tools do15:48
shardyAnd heat does with cfn-push-stats15:48
Qimingwe will keep using the cfntools, right?15:49
QimingI saw cfn-push-stats does more than heartbeat, it pushes a lot of metrics back to cloud-watch15:50
shardyQiming: you don't *have* to, it's just a convenient method to push stats from the instance15:50
shardyyou can select what it pushes back15:50
shardyyou could, for example, post metrics direct to ceilometer via python-ceilometerclient, if you had a strategy for deploying credentials in the instance15:50
shardythat is the bit we are missing, hence sending them via heat-api-cloudwatch15:51
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Qimingyes.15:52
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Qiminga credential for posting the metrics ...15:53
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Qimingthen ceilometer can send the alarm via trust_url15:54
shardyhttps://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/watchrule.py#L29615:56
shardyThat is where we forward data to ceilometer when the alarm is defined in ceilometer15:56
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Qimingshardy: I know that line of code. It is for ceilometer controlled alarms.15:57
Qimingthere is another reason why I haven't tried ceilometer alarm -- an alarm can only have ok_actions, alarm_actions as strings (URLs)15:59
QimingI tried a 'heat-signal' approach because it allows me to carry a signal data16:00
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Restores Nova API for volume attach and detach  https://review.openstack.org/8979616:07
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openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add datastore properties to OS::Trove::Instance  https://review.openstack.org/6053216:11
openstackgerritPavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add nics property to OS::Trove::Instance  https://review.openstack.org/9108816:11
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Check that all po/pot files are valid  https://review.openstack.org/8422617:59
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erecioHi guys, I have a dobut about this resource (AWS::EC2::RouteTable). Thre problem its that I cant find some way to define a resource like AWS::EC2::Route. In other words I need to add a Route in a RouteTable18:10
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SpamapSerecio: You're probably better off using native Neutron resources.18:13
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erecioSpamapS, We are trying to use a AWS template on Openstack using as much AWS resourses. Due that ::EC2::route is not implented yet, we are looking for some elegant solution :-). So its posible to mix AWS an OS resources?18:22
SpamapSerecio: it is possible. Some things would be hard to resolve though.18:24
SpamapSerecio: it would be most appreciated if you could report bugs for any missing things that you need.18:25
SpamapSerecio: https://launchpad.net/heat/+filebug for reference18:25
erecioSpamapS, Yes we are working on it. This resource its a BP18:25
erecioSpamapS, Im not the owner of this BP18:26
erecioSpamapS, Thanks for the answer18:29
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mspreitzIn Heat there is no resource type for a Nova flavor that already exists, right?18:43
shardymspreitz: no, they are expected to be a deployer-configured thing18:45
shardymspreitz: I assume you've seen https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90029/?18:45
mspreitzyes18:45
mspreitzI am thinking about how to tell a scheduler about the physical resources that will be needed by a VM.  I see nothing I can write in heat that will translate a flavor name into CPU, disk, memory numbers18:46
mspreitzfor a pre-existing flavor18:46
shardywell the user-defined flavor resource is problematic from several perspectives, hence it ending up in contrib18:47
shardybut I'm not sure I follow your use-case, the flavor is an input, you want to do some sort of constraint based selection?18:48
mspreitzYeah, this is one piece of a bigger thing, so I wouldn't expect my use case to be clear yet. I have to go now, more later.18:51
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Catch NotFound for keystone delete operations  https://review.openstack.org/8849019:34
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openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: unit tests: Don't mess with template retrospectively  https://review.openstack.org/8996420:44
openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Autoscaling: compare fully-resolved templates  https://review.openstack.org/8996520:44
openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Unit tests: tidy up resolve_runtime_data() calls  https://review.openstack.org/8996620:44
openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Pass unresolved template to Resource.update()  https://review.openstack.org/8996720:44
openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Raise InvalidTemplateReference for missing resources  https://review.openstack.org/8996020:44
openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: unit tests: Test dependency resolution using validate()  https://review.openstack.org/8996120:45
openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Don't wrap HeatExceptions during validation  https://review.openstack.org/8996220:45
openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: unit tests: Check validation in VPC test  https://review.openstack.org/8996320:45
openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Deprecate Stack.resolve_runtime_data()  https://review.openstack.org/8996820:45
openstackgerritJason Dunsmore proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make Server CONFIG_DRIVE property a boolean  https://review.openstack.org/8993920:45
stevebakererecio_2: heat/contrib has a OS::Neutron::ExtraRoute resource which may meet your needs20:45
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zanebstevebaker: unlikely, AWS::EC2:Route works very differently (some might say properly) vs ExtraRoutes in Neutron20:54
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stevebakerI'm about to start my hangout20:57
stevebakerhttps://plus.google.com/u/2/events/ckhqrki6iepg12vkqk5vnt7ijd020:57
lifelessstevebaker: topic?20:58
stevebakerlifeless: What's new in OpenStack Heat Icehouse release20:59
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zanebin related news, I saw that Microsoft has made Skype video conference calls free21:01
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lifelesszaneb: hard to snoop on things people don't use :)21:01
zanebhopefully one day soon people will be able to stop using hangouts21:01
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lifelesszaneb: uhhh21:01
lifelesszaneb: if you are trolling, that was a masterpiece21:02
zaneblifeless: really not. I don't have a G+ account, so I am excluded from any process that involves hangouts21:03
zaneband I find it a giant pain when 'open' projects get organised around them21:03
jpeelerfor the record, no login is required to watch21:05
lifelesszaneb: skype is also proprietary, and one of the changes made by MS is to remove the p2p nature it used to have.21:05
zaneblifeless: I'm aware of that21:05
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lifelesszaneb: what about https://jitsi.org/ or similar?21:06
zaneblifeless: it also doesn't require me to create a public profile, keep cookies in my browser that track everything I do across the web, or change my name to something acceptable to Google21:06
zaneblifeless: don't get me wrong, if something truly open shows up that people will use I'll be ecstatic21:07
zanebbut right now I am very keen to see the hangout momentum reversed21:08
lifelessI'd be happy to use jitsi I think, its been on my todo to really test drive for a while21:08
lifelesszaneb: e.g. https://meet.jit.si/7r9snj0rijf3l3di21:11
lifelesszaneb: (in webkit browsers)21:11
zanebI used to use chrome21:12
zanebbut no longer21:12
zanebbecause Google's quality-control process does not extend to checking whether they uploaded the RPMs to the website21:13
lifelesstheres an LGPL thick client too21:13
zaneband someone keeps forgetting to do it21:13
zanebhence my 'yum update' was broken half the time21:13
lifelessfor jitsi21:13
zanebinstalling...21:15
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: An IO optimised method for accessing resource data  https://review.openstack.org/8849821:23
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sdakestevebaker just gave a nice overview of heat in rdo hangout - this link may work https://plus.google.com/u/0/events/ckhqrki6iepg12vkqk5vnt7ijd021:40
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sorantistherve: hi, could you please have a look at this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90029/1221:47
sorantisI need an opinion from the core team.21:48
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openstackgerritGeorge Peristerakis proposed a change to openstack/heat: Added field parameter identifying the custom validation  https://review.openstack.org/9117921:54
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mattoliverauMorning all22:14
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