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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make a top level contrib doc header https://review.openstack.org/91720 | 02:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed a change to openstack/heat: Provides ability to reference existing neutron resources https://review.openstack.org/82853 | 02:41 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: hello steve | 02:45 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: hi | 02:45 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: made the changes to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82853/, pl if you can review again... | 02:46 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: also if you can review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90336/ | 02:46 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: I'm way ahead of you, already +2ed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82853/ | 02:46 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: thanx a lot | 02:46 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: all reviewed | 02:47 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: good start to my morning:) | 02:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix stack_resource's handle_adopt https://review.openstack.org/91730 | 04:00 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, | 04:13 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, you about | 04:13 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I am | 04:14 |
| asalkeld | I am looking at a way to prevent loops in provider templates | 04:14 |
| asalkeld | and really need something that is global to a top level stack | 04:14 |
| asalkeld | to be able to see what templates have been used to create which resoruces | 04:14 |
| asalkeld | but this gets lost | 04:15 |
| asalkeld | any bright ideas? | 04:15 |
| asalkeld | I could have a.yaml > b.yaml > c.yaml > a.yaml | 04:15 |
| asalkeld | and there are each stacks | 04:16 |
| asalkeld | I need to be able to walk back an see if there is a loop | 04:16 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: could you follow Stack.parent_resource back up to the root stack? | 04:20 |
| asalkeld | I'll check that out | 04:20 |
| asalkeld | what happens across regions tho'? | 04:21 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: would that technically be a circular ref? | 04:24 |
| asalkeld | yeah, it could create a cross cloud storm | 04:24 |
| stevebaker | lol, lets do that | 04:26 |
| asalkeld | :) | 04:26 |
| stevebaker | but that would work, and they should be stopped by their max stacks limit | 04:27 |
| asalkeld | lets call it lightening | 04:27 |
| asalkeld | new feature | 04:27 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/89750 | 06:09 |
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| therve | Oh no gerrit bot | 08:57 |
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| shardy | skraynev: hey, you +1'd https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90029/, I actually don't think it will work at all for multi-tenant environments, would be interested to get your feedback on my comments | 09:45 |
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| sorantis | Hi, I’d like to have your opinion on a way forward after the latest review of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90029/ done by shardy | 10:39 |
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| sorantis | The way I understood it when we had been discussing implementation of this resource was that it was accepted in contrib/ because of the nature of nova flavors. This resource isn’t enabled by default in heat, so the assumption was that the user know what he’s doing when enabling it | 10:42 |
| sorantis | know* | 10:42 |
| sorantis | knows* | 10:42 |
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| shardy | sorantis: Hi | 11:15 |
| sorantis | shardy, hi! | 11:15 |
| shardy | the issue is, I don't think it's obvious at all that the resource, which is per-stack, scoped to a project, will actually create global flavors | 11:15 |
| shardy | I'm also not clear on the use-cases where that would be useful, since it will pollute the global flavor list and name collisions are very likely | 11:16 |
| shardy | basically, I think per-project nova flavors needs to be implemented first, then the resource will be usable | 11:16 |
| sorantis | I see, but isn’t it why it was decided to put it in contrib/ | 11:17 |
| shardy | sorantis: well I thought that was primarily because it's admin-only | 11:18 |
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| shardy | also there's no mention of the lack of support for tenant scoped flavors in https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/dynamic-flavors | 11:18 |
| sorantis | yes, this I didn’t include | 11:19 |
| shardy | I'm not saying we *can't* have the resource in contrib, I just think it's going to be of very limited value without project scoped flavors in nova | 11:19 |
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| shardy | so lets look at fixing that, or if anyone on the nova side is looking at that problem | 11:20 |
| sorantis | basically it will require having flavors for each project | 11:20 |
| sorantis | is there any discussion about this in nova? | 11:21 |
| shardy | yes, and make the is_public flag work properly, as currently all it does is hide the flavor from non-admin users, it's still visible in all projects | 11:21 |
| shardy | sorantis: I don't know, that is the discussion I want to happen, if it's not already | 11:21 |
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| sorantis | I see. I’ll check that | 11:23 |
| shardy | sorantis: Are you planning to start a ML thread? If not I'm happy to. | 11:26 |
| sorantis | ML? :) | 11:26 |
| shardy | mailing list, e.g on openstack-dev | 11:27 |
| shardy | that's probably the best way to discover if this is something nova folks are considering | 11:27 |
| shardy | I looked and did not find any related nova blueprints | 11:27 |
| sorantis | yup, neither did i | 11:27 |
| sorantis | I can start a thread | 11:28 |
| sorantis | Shall I refer to this resource ? | 11:28 |
| shardy | Ok, thanks, I'll look out for it | 11:28 |
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| shardy | yes, please refer to the review for the resource, and my previous thread linked in my comment | 11:28 |
| shardy | It would also be good to update the blueprint wiki page with a description of this problem | 11:29 |
| sorantis | yes, I’ll add this to the Issues section | 11:30 |
| therve | Do we know what's the purpose of the is_public flag? | 11:31 |
| shardy | therve: it hides the flavor from users without the admin role | 11:32 |
| therve | So not super useful | 11:33 |
| shardy | yeah, not useful at all really | 11:33 |
| shardy | everything about flavors is global, so if you create a private flavor, anyone with admin in any project can see it | 11:34 |
| shardy | There is nova flavor-access-id though: | 11:35 |
| shardy | http://docs.openstack.org/user-guide-admin/content/cli_manage_flavors.html | 11:35 |
| shardy | I'm not quite sure how that's supposed to work | 11:35 |
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| sorantis | shardy, what do you think about Angus’ comment? Could be a temporary solution until nova implements per-project flavors | 11:49 |
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| sorantis | updated the blueprint wiki page https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Heat/Blueprints/dynamic-flavors | 11:55 |
| shardy | sorantis: I've stated my opinion, that I would prefer we didn't merge stuff, even to contrib, if it's likely to be broken for the majority of users and cause confusion | 11:56 |
| shardy | It looks like others have a different view however, so perhaps the readme just needs a detailed description of all the issues so folks will undertand the limitations | 11:57 |
| shardy | *understand* | 11:58 |
| sorantis | I can include the identified issues in the readme. | 11:58 |
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| rpothier | Hi, I am trying to simulate ceilometer with a curl command to the ScalingPolicy | 12:09 |
| rpothier | is the API for that listed somewhere? | 12:09 |
| shardy | rpothier: you can just expose the URL as a stack output: | 12:10 |
| rpothier | shardy: thanks, is there any data with that? or I just need the URL? | 12:11 |
| shardy | sorry I though I had a template example doing that but I can't find it atm | 12:11 |
| shardy | rpothier: yes there is data, noted here: | 12:14 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resources/autoscaling.py#L998 | 12:15 |
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| shardy | the other way to di it is to use heat resource-signal <stack> <scaling policy resource name> | 12:15 |
| shardy | do it.. | 12:15 |
| shardy | if you run that with --debug it will give you a curl string, but it uses the native API, whereas atm ceilometer posts the data via the cloudformation-compatible API via a pre-signed URL | 12:16 |
| shardy | using this interface https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/api/cfn/v1/__init__.py#L80 | 12:17 |
| shardy | rpothier: the API docs do need updating to add the native resource signal interface | 12:17 |
| rpothier | shardy: OK, thanks | 12:18 |
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| sorantis | shardy: FYI, just started a thread | 13:49 |
| shardy | sorantis: thanks | 13:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Fixes stack rollback failure with AWS::EC2::Instance https://review.openstack.org/90336 | 14:25 |
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| sdake | morning | 14:28 |
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| shardy | hi sdake | 14:28 |
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| ramishra | Hi shardy | 14:51 |
| ramishra | shardy: I could manage to get stevebaker review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/82853/, if you have few mins please have a look. | 14:53 |
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| sorantis | zaneb: thanks for your feedback on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/90029/16 | 16:00 |
| zaneb | sorantis: np | 16:01 |
| sorantis | I will remove flavor_id from the property list | 16:01 |
| sorantis | now regarding the name property | 16:01 |
| sorantis | shall I remove it or keep it optional and default to the physical resource name? | 16:01 |
| zaneb | I would be inclined to remove it | 16:02 |
| zaneb | but you might be in a better position to know your use cases | 16:02 |
| sorantis | I can think of the following scenario | 16:02 |
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| sorantis | if you migrate from one cloud to another, you might want to keep the flavor names in sync | 16:02 |
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| sorantis | this of course implies that the user’s aware of potential name collision problem | 16:03 |
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| zaneb | that use case doesn't make sense to me | 16:04 |
| zaneb | what are the chances you have admin rights on multiple clouds? | 16:04 |
| zaneb | the only place you'd use this is on your own, internal cloud | 16:05 |
| sorantis | correct | 16:05 |
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| zaneb | and the point of putting these resources into a heat template is presumably so you can reference them from within the template (and therefore don't need to know the name) | 16:06 |
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| sorantis | hm, but you’ll never refer to the flavor by name in the stack template.. | 16:06 |
| sorantis | yes | 16:06 |
| sorantis | exactly | 16:06 |
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| sorantis | I’ll remove the name property then | 16:07 |
| zaneb | +1, thanks | 16:07 |
| zaneb | the only use case for the name I can think if is (1) you're TripleO, and (2) you want to set up the flavours for the cloud using Heat | 16:07 |
| zaneb | but I don't think TripleO wants/should need to do that | 16:08 |
| sorantis | they can always be added later on | 16:08 |
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| sorantis | steve also talked about the is_public flag | 16:09 |
| shardy | zaneb: I agree, for deployers it seems like this could be handled when the cloud is configured with existing nova tools | 16:09 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: tests remove stack_delete_after decorator https://review.openstack.org/90415 | 16:09 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Remove unused logger https://review.openstack.org/86855 | 16:09 |
| sorantis | shall i keep it? | 16:09 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Prefetch data in resource_get_by_name_and_stack https://review.openstack.org/89735 | 16:09 |
| shardy | It seems to me that a more useful interface would be something which took a VM specification and matched it to a "best fit" flavor, based on some constraints and introspection of the available flavors | 16:09 |
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| zaneb | sorantis: I think if we are not specifying a name, then there are probably no circumstances in which we'd want it to be public either | 16:10 |
| shardy | zaneb: is_public=False is still visble to all projects, so it's not really private | 16:10 |
| shardy | you just need to be admin to see it | 16:11 |
| zaneb | so I'd say remove it for now. like you said, if a concrete use case came up then we could consider it | 16:11 |
| sorantis | I’ll default it to False | 16:11 |
| zaneb | shardy: yes, I understand | 16:11 |
| sorantis | this flag makes little sense to me | 16:11 |
| zaneb | sorantis: remember, it's your use case that is broken, not Nova ;) | 16:12 |
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| sorantis | zaneb: probably :) | 16:14 |
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| sorantis | http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2013-November/018744.html defines the use case | 16:15 |
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| zaneb | sorantis: I'm curious to know why 'Telecom clouds' are so different from other kinds of private clouds. can you enlighten me? | 16:18 |
| zaneb | I see similar requirements coming out of e.g. NTT | 16:18 |
| shardy | FWIW, I can understand the use-case, I just think the nova interface has to support it before heat can | 16:20 |
| sorantis | I’m not saying they are different | 16:20 |
| zaneb | sorantis: well, in every other cloud in the world, the operator decides on the flavours and makes the customer choose | 16:22 |
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| sorantis | This get more complicated when your customer is IMS (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IP_Multimedia_Subsystem) or EPG (http://www.ericsson.com/ourportfolio/products/evolved-packet-gateway) | 16:25 |
| sorantis | gets* | 16:25 |
| sorantis | in such cases customers want to tell what they need and expect the operator to provide what’s needed | 16:26 |
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| sorantis | shardy: zaneb: is_public=False is still visble to all projects, so it's not really private | 17:09 |
| sorantis | I’ve just checked | 17:09 |
| sorantis | actually when I set is_public to False I can’t see the flavor in any project | 17:09 |
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| SpamapS | stevebaker: did you make any progress on the work to allow metadata access w/o stack parsing? | 17:09 |
| SpamapS | stevebaker: I am quite interested in breaking that up a bit and working on it together. | 17:10 |
| sorantis | I can see it in the admin page. but whey I tried to choose a flavor during instance creation it didn’t show the flavor | 17:10 |
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| sorantis | zaneb: I’ve set is_public to False, and added tenant access to flavor. In the documentation http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-ops/content/private-flavors.html it says “Make sure to add the admin project in addition to the original project.” (Best practice). Should I also grant access for the admin project? | 17:49 |
| zaneb | looking... | 17:49 |
| zaneb | sorantis: I would say probably yes | 17:52 |
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| sorantis | they didn’t say why it’s best practice though :) | 17:52 |
| zaneb | I guess because an admin won't easily be able to find and delete it if they need it | 17:53 |
| zaneb | "How Do I Modify an Existing Flavor?" | 17:55 |
| zaneb | "The OpenStack dashboard simulates the ability to modify a flavor by deleting an existing flavor and creating a new one with the same name." | 17:55 |
| zaneb | why not just say "you can't." | 17:55 |
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| sorantis | :) that’s negative | 17:56 |
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| zaneb | sorantis: thanks for the links to the IMS/EPG stuff (I was out to lunch momentarily) | 17:56 |
| sorantis | zaneb: np | 17:57 |
| zaneb | I still don't understand why the users don't choose the next flavour bigger than what they need | 17:57 |
| zaneb | and just use that | 17:57 |
| sorantis | what if it doesn’t exist? | 17:57 |
| zaneb | create a bunch | 17:58 |
| zaneb | there's no limit to the number you can have | 17:58 |
| zaneb | afaik | 17:58 |
| zaneb | if you let them create their own in any size you want then you're not charging them for the opportunity cost of the oddly-sized capacity you have left over | 17:59 |
| zaneb | it's a broken pricing model | 17:59 |
| zaneb | maybe the thing that's different about Telecom clouds is enormous margins :D | 17:59 |
| sorantis | maybe also a different pricing model :) | 18:00 |
| zaneb | but even if that's the case you'd be better off lowering your prices but charging for the extra capacity | 18:00 |
| zaneb | and by "better off" I mean "your incentives and your customers' will be better aligned" | 18:01 |
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| sorantis | hm.. is there restriction on flavor name size? | 18:09 |
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| sorantis | zaneb: horizon seems to have a size limit (25 characters) on the flavor name property, but there’s no such restriction in nova. Any idea why? | 18:12 |
| zaneb | perhaps they don't like it screwing up their pretty layouts? :D | 18:12 |
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| sorantis | zaneb: that’s a valid reason to screw up flavor naming :) | 18:25 |
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| sorantis | also the documentation is inconsistent | 18:29 |
| sorantis | “To view a flavor's access list, do the following: $ nova flavor-access-list <flavor-id>” it should be nova flavor-access-list --flavor <flavor-id> | 18:31 |
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| sorantis | Plus Horizon doesn’t show the admin tenant in the access list, even though i can clearly see it with nova flavor-access-list | 18:31 |
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