| asalkeld | ok, so what you need is implicit major/minor versioning | 00:00 |
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| uberj | yeah | 00:00 |
| asalkeld | I think this is do'able | 00:00 |
| uberj | stevebaker mentioned doing that | 00:00 |
| uberj | just encode the version into the SC name | 00:00 |
| asalkeld | so what do want to happen | 00:00 |
| uberj | so Software::Mysql2.1 | 00:01 |
| uberj | or something | 00:01 |
| asalkeld | uberj, let's get smarter | 00:01 |
| uberj | asalkeld: I've been trying my entire life | 00:01 |
| asalkeld | why not support multiple types of the same name | 00:01 |
| asalkeld | then match based on the properties/attriblutes actually used | 00:01 |
| uberj | overloading, essentially | 00:02 |
| asalkeld | yip | 00:02 |
| asalkeld | it will need some work tho' | 00:02 |
| uberj | well, that would be cool, but you still kind of get file sprawl. plus, what if I just change a default? | 00:02 |
| asalkeld | one issue is we will not be able to do this with python resource types | 00:02 |
| asalkeld | uberj, we need a mechanism to do the schema versioning | 00:03 |
| asalkeld | we can argue about the details later | 00:03 |
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| asalkeld | uberj, do you *really* need this? | 00:04 |
| asalkeld | how much work are you willing to do? | 00:04 |
| uberj | actually, no, not right now, but I have a feeling my api will change in the future | 00:04 |
| uberj | I'm looking in the future | 00:04 |
| uberj | for what I'm doing I can probably get away with pretty static resource definitions | 00:05 |
| uberj | ...for a while | 00:05 |
| asalkeld | sure, uberj I'd suggest you write up some ideas on an etherpad | 00:05 |
| uberj | okay | 00:05 |
| asalkeld | we can start a ml discussion | 00:05 |
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| asalkeld | i know that code well | 00:05 |
| uberj | I will probably do that... because if my project gets traction I will need to solve this | 00:05 |
| asalkeld | (i wrote a lot of the env code) | 00:05 |
| uberj | ah, cool | 00:06 |
| asalkeld | it does sound like a good idea in general | 00:06 |
| asalkeld | but it needs to be done right | 00:06 |
| uberj | I wouldn't want it any other way :) | 00:06 |
| asalkeld | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat_resource_type_versioning | 00:07 |
| uberj | uhg, is there a way to turn on spell check? | 00:10 |
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| asalkeld | uberj, you are talking purely about resourcet templates | 00:12 |
| asalkeld | what about python resources? | 00:12 |
| asalkeld | they have the same issue | 00:13 |
| uberj | I haven't used python resources | 00:13 |
| asalkeld | I have | 00:13 |
| uberj | I'm guessing that is a native implementation of a resource? | 00:13 |
| asalkeld | yip | 00:13 |
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| uberj | like, the inputs in a resource map directly to some "def" | 00:13 |
| uberj | okay | 00:13 |
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| uberj | yeah | 00:14 |
| uberj | well, idk :P | 00:14 |
| asalkeld | if we could manage this too, it would be good | 00:14 |
| uberj | I just started thinking about this problem today | 00:14 |
| asalkeld | ok | 00:14 |
| uberj | so if you versioned the whole environment.d directory, that would work, but it doesn't solve the individual resource problem | 00:14 |
| uberj | I kind of see this as two separate issues | 00:14 |
| uberj | environment versioning/resource versioning | 00:15 |
| uberj | unless you decide to not do environment versioning at all and implement everything with resource versioning | 00:15 |
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| uberj | I see see environment versioning as a really nice way for a provider to cleanly release a set of resources that work well together | 00:16 |
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| uberj | so I, as an operator, know that if some dev upgrades to v1 he is using a determined set of versions of other resources | 00:16 |
| uberj | and not mysql2.3 and apache4.2 | 00:16 |
| uberj | makes it easier for me to test, too | 00:16 |
| uberj | I *also* see the need for resource versioning as well | 00:17 |
| uberj | but yeah, probably two separate problems | 00:17 |
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| asalkeld | uberj, have a look now | 00:26 |
| asalkeld | (at the etherpad) | 00:26 |
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| uberj | asalkeld: having heat decide which version "fits best" will cause non-obvious things to happen under the hood in heat. Look at this from my point of view: A dev comes to me and says "my app doesn't work", and I say "which version of resource X, Y, and Z are you using?". If heat is calculating that dynamically the versions will be tricky to pin down because it might be version 1, 2, and 3 for one dev and | 00:34 |
| uberj | versions 3, 2, and 1 for another, just because they have their resources are defined differently. I think in this case we might be giving users too much flexibility. I would much rather have a user tell me "My app doesn't work. I'm using version 3 of the environment.d/ directory (which has hardcoded versions of things)". If we do allow for dynamic lookup based on signature, I think it would be sufficient to | 00:34 |
| uberj | allow version pinning somehow. | 00:34 |
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| asalkeld | uberj, environment.d/ is an operator thing | 00:35 |
| asalkeld | not a developer thing | 00:35 |
| uberj | but if I put my resource definitions in there devs will use them | 00:35 |
| asalkeld | I dont' like the idea of forcing users to put version numbers in their templates | 00:36 |
| uberj | you already do | 00:36 |
| uberj | but | 00:36 |
| asalkeld | uberj, we do at the toplevel | 00:36 |
| asalkeld | but not at the resource level | 00:36 |
| uberj | I would suggesting adding another version key there | 00:36 |
| uberj | for the version of the operator environment you are using | 00:36 |
| asalkeld | ok, but that is effectively the same as a resource name v1/mysql v2/mysql | 00:38 |
| asalkeld | uberj, I think it's worth a broader discussion | 00:38 |
| uberj | yes, you could implement environment versioning in a granular way | 00:38 |
| uberj | yeah, I have to do other things right now. unfortunately, If I don't have a prototype that does cool stuff this all might be moot :) | 00:39 |
| asalkeld | I know you are interested in environment.d , but I think this is applicable to general resource types too | 00:39 |
| asalkeld | ok, it's a great point tho' | 00:39 |
| uberj | right, like I was saying, this might be two separate discussions | 00:39 |
| asalkeld | and we need to look at better ways of handling it | 00:40 |
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| asalkeld | zaneb, https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat_resource_type_versioning | 00:50 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement BlockDeviceMappings for LaunchConfiguration https://review.openstack.org/105647 | 01:20 |
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| tiantian | asalkeld: hi, are you around? would you please to review https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103725/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105647/ tks | 02:54 |
| asalkeld | hi tiantian | 02:54 |
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| tiantian | <asalkeld>: hi, hope you to review them :) | 02:57 |
| asalkeld | tiantian, I'll see how it goes - busy coding myself | 02:57 |
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| skraynev | Good morning | 05:08 |
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| cmyster | morning | 05:57 |
| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/104975 | 06:01 |
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| ckmvishnu | EngineService upon startup, create_periodic_tasks creates a ThreadGroupManager. But also created in service start() | 06:09 |
| ckmvishnu | shouldn't there be a check and reuse existing ThreadGroupManager? | 06:10 |
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| pas-ha | morning all :) | 07:56 |
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| tiantian | Sergey Kraynev: hi, about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111879/ would you please to see the reply | 08:06 |
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| asalkeld | skraynev, ^ | 08:07 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld, tiantian: in progress :) | 08:08 |
| asalkeld | also the resource_id could be set in resource.py (possibly) | 08:09 |
| asalkeld | (to None) | 08:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Set resource_id to None after deleting resource https://review.openstack.org/111879 | 08:13 |
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| skraynev | done | 08:14 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: agree :) | 08:14 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: I thought about such things, when see a lot of same code in similar places. | 08:15 |
| asalkeld | yip | 08:15 |
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| tiantian | <skraynev>: not all the resources set resource_id to some value after creation succeful | 08:19 |
| tiantian | s/successful | 08:19 |
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| skraynev | tiantian: ok, but why we can not to do it mandatory? and add this... I have not research it. May be it's not possible, in this case you may ignore my suggestion. | 08:39 |
| skraynev | tiantian: But still we should know may we make it as a rule for all resources. | 08:39 |
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| tiantian | agree with you, I will try to do this :) | 08:42 |
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| tiantian | skraynev: and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/103725/ hope you to review, tks | 08:45 |
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| AJaeger | HI Heat cores, could one of you approve this patch,please? it already has two +2s... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111480/ It will give you all specs published at http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/heat-specs/ | 09:38 |
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| Akshik | is it possible to execute scripts on the running instance [guest VM] | 10:25 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move size update to Cinder volume https://review.openstack.org/106622 | 10:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move VolumeAttachment updates to Cinder resource https://review.openstack.org/106623 | 10:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Unittests: Refactor Volume resources tests https://review.openstack.org/107362 | 10:36 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed a change to openstack/heat: After successful update of a stack, the backup stack and it's associated template, resources and events should be permanently deleted. https://review.openstack.org/111979 | 11:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix for Bug #1332300. After successful update of a stack, the backup stack and it's associated template, resources and events should be permanently deleted. https://review.openstack.org/111986 | 11:35 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1332300 in heat "Backup stacks should be hard-deleted" [Medium,In progress] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1332300 | 11:35 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed a change to openstack/heat: After successful update of a stack, the backup stack and it's associated template, resources and events should be permanently deleted. https://review.openstack.org/111986 | 12:01 |
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| openstackgerrit | Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Peruse existing disable_rollback in stack-update https://review.openstack.org/100245 | 12:26 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Move size update to Cinder volume https://review.openstack.org/106622 | 12:32 |
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| rakesh_hs | Hey,, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107551/ is awaiting reviews, please have a look when you have time | 13:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Eli Qiao proposed a change to openstack/heat: Raise exception if available_versions is empty https://review.openstack.org/112012 | 13:18 |
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| viktors | hi folks! Can somebody review patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/109658/ (Run migration tests on PostgreSQL and MySQL) ? | 13:26 |
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| AJaeger | Heat cores, could one of you approve this patch,please? it already has two +2s... https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111480/ It will give you all specs published at http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/heat-specs/ | 14:45 |
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| jasond` | AJaeger: i'm getting a 404 from both URLs | 14:50 |
| jasond` | oh, it WILL be published there | 14:51 |
| AJaeger | jasond`, read the review of 111480 - you first need to approve one patch for heat-specs and then it will show up on specs.o.o. | 14:51 |
| AJaeger | The infra-jobs for http://specs.openstack.org publishing are setup and most projects are life. Heat is one of the missing projects... | 14:51 |
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| AJaeger | Yes, it WILL ;) | 14:52 |
| AJaeger | jasond`, thanks for the approval. | 14:52 |
| jasond` | no problem | 14:52 |
| AJaeger | FYI, this is the infra patch that will change specs.o.o to link to the page: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111946/ | 14:53 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Template is not required on stack-adopt https://review.openstack.org/112044 | 15:10 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Template not required on stack-adopt https://review.openstack.org/111844 | 15:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: console url support in server resource https://review.openstack.org/109923 | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove function get_software_config https://review.openstack.org/101396 | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Cinder, trove, ceilo use ignore_not_found etc https://review.openstack.org/101397 | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Glance, swift use ClientPlugin.ignore_not_found https://review.openstack.org/100424 | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Neutron use ClientPlugin.ignore_not_found etc https://review.openstack.org/100423 | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Nova use ClientPlugin.ignore_not_found https://review.openstack.org/100422 | 15:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move nova_utils functions to nova client plugin https://review.openstack.org/101782 | 15:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat-specs: Fix publishing URL https://review.openstack.org/111480 | 15:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed a change to openstack/heat: Hard delete backup stack after successful update. https://review.openstack.org/111986 | 16:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements https://review.openstack.org/105166 | 16:49 |
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| openstackgerrit | William C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat: Template get_version breaks with Template object https://review.openstack.org/111348 | 17:47 |
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| jdandrea | I noticed that I can set availability_zone to 'nova:hostname' for Server resources, but I don't seem to be able to do that for Volume resources. Is there any way to target a specific host for Volumes as we can do for Servers? | 20:00 |
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| jdandrea | Cancel that: Cinder AZs != Nova AZs. :) | 20:06 |
| uberj | can someone tell me what I have done wrong? https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5826475 | 20:13 |
| uberj | "TypeError: unhashable type: 'dict' " is not a helpful enough error message | 20:13 |
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| uberj | here is heat barfing on it https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5826674 | 20:25 |
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| uberj | so I'm using a dict somewhere and I shouldn't be | 20:27 |
| * uberj whips out pdb | 20:27 | |
| pscheie | http://paste.openstack.org/show/90700/ | 20:28 |
| pscheie | Any idea of the cause of this error I get when I try to spin a stack with a new HOT template? | 20:29 |
| pscheie | I suspect it might have something to do with constraints: as that was the last thing I modified before getting this error. | 20:30 |
| uberj | pscheie: hard to tell without seeing the template | 20:30 |
| jdandrea | It sounds like a dict is being used as a key, yeah. *scratches head* | 20:30 |
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| zaneb | pscheie: it sounds like the next parameter is getting mixed in with your constraint | 20:32 |
| zaneb | or something | 20:32 |
| pscheie | Here's the template: http://paste.openstack.org/show/90702/ | 20:32 |
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| pscheie | zaneb, ah, that seems likely. | 20:32 |
| uberj | zaneb: https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5826763 | 20:32 |
| uberj | err | 20:32 |
| uberj | jdandrea: ^ | 20:32 |
| * jdandrea intended his thought toward uberj's pastebin entry and not pscheie. | 20:34 | |
| jdandrea | uberj: tx | 20:34 |
| uberj | jdandrea: so line 184 in https://pastebin.mozilla.org/5826475 is my issue | 20:35 |
| uberj | kind of sad I needed a debuger to find that out | 20:35 |
| uberj | not sure if your parser can detect that... | 20:35 |
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| jdandrea | uberj: Oh, interesting. I wonder if it's taking the dict "{ get_param: db_server }" as a key for get_resource without resolving it into a string first? | 20:37 |
| * pscheie wishes heat said where the Invalid type was being found. | 20:37 | |
| uberj | jdandrea: yeah, seems to be doing that | 20:37 |
| uberj | yeah, I would think you are not processing the data structure correctly | 20:39 |
| uberj | resource resolution in this case needs to happen depth first | 20:39 |
| * jdandrea is not the "you" in this case, but agrees with the depth first observation. | 20:40 | |
| uberj | I should probably file a bug | 20:41 |
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| pscheie | In http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/hot_spec.html#allowed-values why does the allowed_values start with a dash, but none of the sub-parts of instance_type start with a dash? | 20:50 |
| zaneb | pscheie: because "constraints" is a list of dictionaries | 20:51 |
| pscheie | IOW, when are leading dashes necessary and when are they no? | 20:51 |
| pscheie | zaneb, so it depends on the data type of the key? | 20:52 |
| zaneb | dashes mean list items | 20:52 |
| zaneb | so if you want a list, use dashes | 20:52 |
| zaneb | if you don't, don't | 20:52 |
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| pscheie | Aha! Found it: 'type: String' should be 'type: string' (lower case S) | 20:58 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: do you recall if someone was working on webhook based custom resources? | 22:12 |
| asalkeld | hey stevebaker, they might be | 22:13 |
| asalkeld | I do remember someone talkiing about it | 22:13 |
| asalkeld | can't remember tho' | 22:13 |
| asalkeld | grep the logs? | 22:13 |
| stevebaker | same, maybe tspatzier? | 22:14 |
| asalkeld | no, I don't think so | 22:14 |
| stevebaker | oh well, just wondering | 22:16 |
| stevebaker | any more reviews for this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/102397/ | 22:18 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, we have solum meeting now, I'll look later | 22:20 |
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| openstackgerrit | Jun Jie Nan proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Do not install pip in heat config element https://review.openstack.org/112163 | 22:55 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, isn't 5 retries a lot as a default? | 23:21 |
| asalkeld | maybe 2 | 23:21 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: the aim is to have enough attempts with exponential backoff to give the issue enough time to resolve itself, or to allow $human to intervene while attempts are still happening. We don't know the optimal number yet, but 2 seems like not enough | 23:27 |
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| asalkeld | yikes, looks like horrible hack:( | 23:28 |
| asalkeld | also is going to play nice with conected resources, like volumes | 23:30 |
| asalkeld | well, just stop thinking and push the +2 | 23:30 |
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| lifeless | asalkeld: :P | 23:40 |
| zaneb | asalkeld: in theory it should play nice with connected resources | 23:40 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld: I think that any distributed system of sufficient complexity is going to have races and transient failures, heat needs to be really good and handling those | 23:43 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, totally - this we all know is a hack, better things coming hopefully | 23:45 |
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