| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Don't use DB column names for sort keys https://review.openstack.org/124828 | 00:01 |
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| uberj | can someone explain (or point to docs) the reasons for having user_data_format? | 00:04 |
| uberj | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Nova::Server. When should I use the different formats? | 00:05 |
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| asalkeld | uberj, i am looking for you | 00:15 |
| asalkeld | uberj, http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/openstack.html#OS::Nova::Server | 00:16 |
| asalkeld | user_data_format : String | 00:17 |
| uberj | asalkeld: yeah, I saw that. but what is the point of user_data_format? when should I use the various different formats? | 00:17 |
| uberj | should I use SOFTWARE_CONFIG when I'm using a SC? I've seen examples that use RAW in that case. Should I use RAW? | 00:18 |
| asalkeld | seems like if you are using sc you should use SOFTWARE_CONFIG | 00:18 |
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| asalkeld | uberj, all the examples from here: https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/tree/master/hot/software-config/example-templates | 00:20 |
| asalkeld | use SOFTWARE_CONFIG | 00:20 |
| uberj | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/software-config/example-templates/example-cloud-init.yaml#L99 | 00:20 |
| uberj | that one uses RAW | 00:20 |
| asalkeld | uberj, but that is "example-cloud-init" | 00:20 |
| asalkeld | cloud-init understands multipart mime | 00:21 |
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| asalkeld | this seems to be how you want it interpreted on the guest | 00:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Huruifeng proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Enable support for software component https://review.openstack.org/117210 | 02:04 |
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| asalkeld | Yanyanhu, hi | 02:13 |
| Yanyanhu | hi, asalkeld | 02:13 |
| asalkeld | have you done any work on https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1375151 | 02:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1375151 in heat "'repeat_actions' default value is false if not setting in template" [High,Confirmed] | 02:13 |
| asalkeld | i am almost done with a fix for it | 02:13 |
| Yanyanhu | yes, I'm also working on this | 02:14 |
| asalkeld | i came across it at the same time i think | 02:14 |
| Yanyanhu | asalkeld, yes, if you have finished the patch, please propose it. I may finish it in an hour :-) | 02:15 |
| Yanyanhu | I wrote this patch but haven't finished the test | 02:16 |
| asalkeld | ok | 02:16 |
| asalkeld | we can compare;) | 02:17 |
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| Yanyanhu | asalkeld, ok :) | 02:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make sure that property defaults are converted correctly https://review.openstack.org/124943 | 02:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use properties in ceilometer alarm not parsed_template('Properties') https://review.openstack.org/124944 | 02:48 |
| asalkeld | Yanyanhu, ^ the first one needs a test (coming) | 02:48 |
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| Yanyanhu | asalkeld, got it. | 02:49 |
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| asalkeld | is that similar to your patch? | 02:50 |
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| Yanyanhu | no, but I think this is better, I just directly use 'props = dict((k, v) for k, v in self.properties.items())' in handle_create to include all keys which have default value. | 02:57 |
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| uberj | it would be cool if someone could build me a working image with devstack installed that followed along with CI. I waste so much time setting up devstack when I need it... | 03:39 |
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| uberj | hmm, can't find a SoftwareComponent example | 03:44 |
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| asalkeld | uberj, this is a good idea: https://github.com/ewindisch/dockenstack/ | 04:00 |
| asalkeld | but didn't work last time i tried | 04:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make sure that property defaults are converted correctly https://review.openstack.org/124943 | 05:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Angus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Use properties in ceilometer alarm not parsed_template('Properties') https://review.openstack.org/124944 | 05:24 |
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| skraynev | good morning | 05:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | unmesh-gurjar proposed a change to openstack/heat: Access Template class through template module https://review.openstack.org/124769 | 06:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sergey Kraynev proposed a change to openstack/heat: Handle error in templates with incorrect resources https://review.openstack.org/119341 | 06:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/124281 | 06:37 |
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| rushiagr | hi heat folks | 06:54 |
| rushiagr | I am writing a heat template | 06:54 |
| rushiagr | I have two .yaml files as my source of inspiration, both version 2013-05-23 | 06:54 |
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| rushiagr | one uses capital keywords as compared to the other (Default vs default) | 06:55 |
| rushiagr | also, one has values in quotes, the other don't (default: keyname vs default: "keyname") | 06:55 |
| rushiagr | what is the preferred one? I don't want to get into bad habits right from the start :) | 06:56 |
| skraynev | rushiagr: hi, please look examples here https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/tree/master/hot | 06:57 |
| tspatzier | hi rushiagr, you should use all lowercase keywords. | 06:57 |
| skraynev | according to it better to use lower case l) | 06:57 |
| tspatzier | rushiagr: when we started with HOT (2013-05-23) we did not do strict checking, so when you got an old template you might find mixed case. | 06:58 |
| skraynev | also yaml format allow to define string value without quotes | 06:58 |
| rushiagr | skraynev: tspatzier: cool, thanks. Useful.. | 06:58 |
| rushiagr | tspatzier: hmm.. small case, plus no quotes will be preferred by me then :) | 06:59 |
| tspatzier | rushiagr: you can also have a look here: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/hot_spec.html | 07:00 |
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| tspatzier | yeah, I also prefer it. Looks much nicer and less typing ;) | 07:00 |
| rushiagr | tspatzier: :) | 07:00 |
| rushiagr | tspatzier: thanks for the hot spec, exactly the thing I was looking for | 07:01 |
| rushiagr | :) | 07:01 |
| tspatzier | yw | 07:01 |
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| pas-ha | morning all | 07:14 |
| skraynev | hi pas-ha | 07:14 |
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| cmyster | morning | 07:18 |
| skraynev | hi cmyster | 07:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Don't use DB column names for sort keys https://review.openstack.org/124828 | 08:42 |
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| rushiagr | heat seems to create a user 'ec2-user' with ubuntu images. How can I make it create another user for me? I want it to have 'ubuntu' user, just as nova does | 08:59 |
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| rushiagr | 'ec2-user' doesn't seem to have the defaults which ubuntu user had, e.g. autocompletion, coloured output, etc | 09:00 |
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| pas-ha | rushiagr, ec2-user is auto created for AWS::EC2::Instance resource, in compliance with AWS | 09:01 |
| pas-ha | for OS::Nova::Server a default user for specific cloud image is created, e.g. ubuntu for Ubuntu, fedora for newer Fedora etc | 09:02 |
| rushiagr | pas-ha: but I created OS::Nova::Server | 09:02 |
| pas-ha | then probably you used old cloud image, that are mostly AWS targeted | 09:03 |
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| pas-ha | there is also a (now deprecated) instance_user config option | 09:03 |
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| pas-ha | please check what is configured there if you have enough access. also what is the Heat version you are running? | 09:04 |
| rushiagr | I created the image using DIB, with arguments 'vm ubuntu' | 09:04 |
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| my_openstack_use | hello | 09:05 |
| my_openstack_use | does anybody know what is the purpose of 'OS::Heat::ScaledResource' class? | 09:06 |
| pas-ha | then most probably this is the default user for that cloud image | 09:06 |
| rushiagr | pas-ha: ok, looks like I need to build with cloud-init-datasources element too | 09:06 |
| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Log translation hint for Heat.engine (part1) https://review.openstack.org/109512 | 09:06 |
| rushiagr | pas-ha: I'll ask for more info in triplo channel, to see if I get some help on this | 09:06 |
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| my_openstack_use | ^might not be a class | 09:07 |
| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Log translation hint for Heat.engine (part2) https://review.openstack.org/123387 | 09:08 |
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| pas-ha | my_openstack_use, looks like it is part of internal implementation of InstanceGroup | 09:09 |
| pas-ha | or even less, just some name plug for future | 09:10 |
| my_openstack_use | pas-ha: I've got an AWS::AutoScaling::AutoScalingGroup with a single instance on my stack | 09:12 |
| my_openstack_use | pas-ha: when I heat resource-show the instance, it's resource_type is OS::Heat::ScaledResource | 09:13 |
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| pas-ha | autoscaling group creates a nested stack, so that is the type of the resource in that nested stack | 09:14 |
| pas-ha | so, just an internal implementation | 09:14 |
| my_openstack_use | pas-ha: does this mean that I won't be able to distinguish between different scaled resources, e.g an instance and a loadbalancer inside an autoscaling group? | 09:15 |
| pas-ha | my_openstack_use, I think you can call resource-show on the nested stack itself to get the list of included resources | 09:16 |
| pas-ha | but why do you have an LB inside the autoscalinig group? | 09:17 |
| pas-ha | do you need LB itself to scale? | 09:18 |
| my_openstack_use | pas-ha: I don't. It's just the example for two different resources in a single autoscaling group that I could think of | 09:18 |
| pas-ha | nah, the simplest would be server + volume ;) | 09:19 |
| pas-ha | and I think we have an example for that in heat-templates | 09:19 |
| my_openstack_use | pas-ha: OK, I've called resource-show on my AWS::AutoScaling::AutoScalingGroup and I don't see anything about included resources | 09:20 |
| pas-ha | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/asg_of_stacks.yaml | 09:21 |
| pas-ha | it seems that is an example template you need | 09:21 |
| my_openstack_use | description, links, logical_resource_id, physical_resource_id, required_by, resource_name, resource_status, resource_status_reason, resource_type, updated_time | 09:23 |
| pas-ha | resource-list is the command, beg your pardon | 09:23 |
| my_openstack_use | am I missing a field? | 09:23 |
| my_openstack_use | oh, ok | 09:23 |
| pas-ha | resource-show will show you the info on that particular resource | 09:24 |
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| my_openstack_use | Well, the resource type here in resource-list output is still OS::Heat::ScaledResource | 09:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | liusheng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Log translation hint for Heat.engine (part3) https://review.openstack.org/123388 | 09:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | Visnusaran Murugan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Database model change for resource versioning https://review.openstack.org/124993 | 09:42 |
| openstackgerrit | Visnusaran Murugan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Validation to avoid duplicate stack names per tenant https://review.openstack.org/123397 | 09:45 |
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| inc0 | hello everyone | 09:57 |
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| cmyster | hi | 10:06 |
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| rushiagr | pas-ha: no luck. Even with latest ubuntu cloud image, it is creating ec2-user only, and not Ubuntu | 10:29 |
| rushiagr | please find my yaml file here https://github.com/rushiagr/cloud-cassandra/blob/master/heat/heat-ubuntu-basic.yaml | 10:30 |
| rushiagr | heat is latest out of devstack | 10:32 |
| therve | rushiagr, Check the heat configuration | 10:35 |
| therve | You should have instance_user = '' | 10:36 |
| therve | Or specify admin_user in your template | 10:36 |
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| rushiagr | therve: there is no instance_user config specified in /etc/heat/heat.conf file | 11:12 |
| rushiagr | therve: I specified admin_user and it worked perfectly fine | 11:12 |
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| rushiagr | therve: but I'm still not sure why it didn't pick up 'ubuntu' for the latest UEC image, when I specified OS::Nova::Server, and instead chose 'ec2-user' | 11:13 |
| rushiagr | I tried the same with ubuntu image generated from diskimage-builder, but same problem | 11:14 |
| therve | rushiagr, Because you don't have instance_user = '' in your conf :) | 11:14 |
| rushiagr | therve: oohh | 11:15 |
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| rushiagr | therve: let me try | 11:16 |
| rushiagr | therve: but anyway, not sure how the behavior is going to be as the comment in conf says the option is going to be removed soon (Juno?) | 11:16 |
| pas-ha | yes, the patches to tempest and heat are on review already | 11:18 |
| pas-ha | need to merge tempest first to merge the heat one | 11:18 |
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| rushiagr | pas-ha: this is w.r.t. instance_user config option? | 11:20 |
| pas-ha | yes | 11:20 |
| rushiagr | pas-ha: okay, cool | 11:21 |
| rushiagr | pas-ha: thanks | 11:21 |
| pas-ha | those are patches actually removing this option | 11:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to openstack/heat: Remove unused network_utils https://review.openstack.org/125008 | 11:21 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to openstack/heat: Switch to oslo.utils https://review.openstack.org/125009 | 11:21 |
| rushiagr | pas-ha: thanks for the heads up | 11:22 |
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| pas-ha | you're welcome | 11:22 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to openstack/heat: Switch to oslo.utils https://review.openstack.org/125009 | 12:29 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Implement restore operation https://review.openstack.org/124413 | 12:34 |
| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Implement snapshot operations https://review.openstack.org/124412 | 12:34 |
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| jdandrea | For Icehouse, is there an example that uses use OS::Ceilometer::Alarm for a server heartbeat check? (I know, HARestarter is to be avoided. Right now I just want to get the alarm working.) I found this for CWLiteAlarm but it uses AWS key/secret and cfntools. https://raw.githubusercontent.com/andrewklau/openstack-heat-templates/master/base-instance-iha.yaml | 13:02 |
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| jdandrea | I've been trying to cobble my own together for the past week or so but to no avail. | 13:03 |
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| jdandrea | Also reading here (search for 'heartbeat'): http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/irclogs/%23heat/%23heat.2014-01-17.log | 13:10 |
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| skraynev | therve: hi. | 13:17 |
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| skraynev | therve: which policy for changes from oslo? 1. All independent changes (one cherry-picked patch) are welcome or 2. sync only with some specific commit (we take all commits from our old version of oslo files to one specific commit in tree) ? | 13:21 |
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| therve | skraynev Sync only | 13:22 |
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| skraynev | therve: thx. | 13:22 |
| therve | skraynev, I didn't do a sync though because I'm waiting on the i18n work to finish | 13:22 |
| therve | To not get gettextutils conflicts all other the place | 13:23 |
| skraynev | therve: got it. thanks, I just look these https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125009/, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125008/1 | 13:23 |
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| therve | skraynev, It doesn't do a sync? | 13:24 |
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| ananta | Hi Vijendra | 13:25 |
| skraynev | therve: for me it looks like some independent changes. Sync some files instead of all oslo files. | 13:25 |
| therve | skraynev, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125009/ doesn't touch anything in oslo afaict | 13:26 |
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| therve | And https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125008/ just removes one | 13:26 |
| therve | So I don't know what you're talking about | 13:26 |
| skraynev | In the https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125009/ were removed some modules from oslo-incubator | 13:27 |
| therve | Right so it's not a sync | 13:27 |
| skraynev | so these changes are possible, right ? | 13:28 |
| therve | Yes | 13:28 |
| therve | skraynev, The fact that it was removed from oslo is irrelevent here. He just don't use it. | 13:29 |
| skraynev | ok | 13:29 |
| jdandrea | Well, I'm closer. I updated heat-cfntools on the VM to heat-cfntools-1.2.6-4.fc20.noarch. Everything is in place but cfn-hup-log finds no hook directories (or hooks). | 13:30 |
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| jdandrea | Per ahsalkeld's blog post advisement, I removed --watch from cfn-push-stats ... | 13:32 |
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| jdandrea | I get the sneaking suspicion that I shouldn't be using heat-cfntools, as it appears to be pushing stats to monitoring.us-east-1.amazonaws.com:8003. What equivalent tools are available to push stats to OS instead? | 14:23 |
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| larsks | jdandrea: you *should* be able to use heat-cfntools. It gets its config from files in /var/lib/heat-cfntools, I believe. | 14:32 |
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| larsks | ...which should be configured via cloud-init when the system first boots with appropriate information for your environment. | 14:33 |
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| sdake | jdandrea it should not push stats to monitoring.aws | 14:44 |
| sdake | if you see that happening recommend filing a bug | 14:44 |
| sdake | there is no aws url i nthe code base | 14:44 |
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| ryansb | jdandrea: can you tell me what you did to cause heat-cfntools to call to monitoring....aws.com? | 14:51 |
| jdandrea | Sure. | 14:51 |
| jdandrea | Posting to pastebin ... | 14:51 |
| ryansb | I have a hunch about where that call came from | 14:51 |
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| jdandrea | ryansb: Unable to finish my paste just yet. Stand by ... pardon the delay. I'll be back here asp. | 15:01 |
| jdandrea | (asap) | 15:01 |
| jdandrea | I will say that the closest I could find to sending a heartbeat was inspired by https://raw.githubusercontent.com/andrewklau/openstack-heat-templates/master/base-instance-iha.yaml (with --watch URL removed per http://ahsalkeld.wordpress.com/2014/09/25/deap-dive-into-using-heat-alarms/ ) ... | 15:01 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, about tox reinstalling requirements - have you tried tox -r ? or just remove .tox/ completely... | 15:02 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: many times | 15:03 |
| ryansb | jdandrea: ok. If I'm able to repro the issue I'll file a bug about it | 15:03 |
| pas-ha | strange, and it still pulls in wrong dependencies? | 15:03 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: not so much wrong as some dependencies just won't install | 15:06 |
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| zaneb | particularly the postgres and mysql client libs | 15:06 |
| zaneb | but reverting the patch that added those still doesn't help | 15:06 |
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| zaneb | aother stuff starts falling over | 15:06 |
| zaneb | or all the tests fail | 15:06 |
| Qiming | does it make sense to have a script send heartbeats directly to ceilometer (by calling ceilometer sample-create or just a curl call)? | 15:06 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, https://github.com/pshchelo/stackdev/blob/master/OpenStackDepends.rst | 15:07 |
| pas-ha | some of those missing? | 15:07 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: aha, could be, I'll check. thanks! | 15:07 |
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| pas-ha | on fedora the package names might be different though | 15:08 |
| pas-ha | you are a fedora guy, right? :) | 15:08 |
| jdandrea | ryansb: http://paste.openstack.org/show/117158/ | 15:09 |
| zaneb | yep | 15:09 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: they're probably similar though | 15:09 |
| * zaneb is used to translating ;) | 15:09 | |
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| sdake | yay for october 17 \o/ | 15:15 |
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| jdandrea | Meanwhile, on a completely different topic, I am working on a mechanism to schedule/place resources, not individually the way it's done today, but at the whole app level (e.g., an entire stack). | 15:18 |
| jdandrea | Up until now I've been doing this by writing a resource plugin that previews/adjusts the AZs for volumes/servers. The problem is using preview() within a resource is verboten, *especially* so with the convergence model, where resources shouldn't be poking around each other. | 15:18 |
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| jdandrea | That leaves me wondering, how might I be able to hook into the create/update phase of Heat from *outside* and effect this scheduling? I have ideas that involve scheduler filters, but the missing link is how to tie this into the create/update phases (or, if that's not doable, perhaps I'm missing some other angle). | 15:20 |
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| zaneb | jdandrea: have you talked with mspreitz about this? I know he has been pursuing similar ideas | 15:22 |
| ryansb | jdandrea: Thanks for the paste | 15:23 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: I have not, but I'd like to. I saw Gantt but that seems stalled. I'd really like to get involved in this. | 15:23 |
| jdandrea | ryansb: np | 15:24 |
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| zaneb | jdandrea: tbh I think the right place to do this will end up being either a layer above (i.e. preprocessing) or a layer below (i.e. in Nova/Gannt) Heat. or maybe both | 15:25 |
| zaneb | *Gantt | 15:25 |
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| jdandrea | zaneb: Agreed. I am poking around the layer above at the moment. Where it gets interesting for me is with anything involving a nested template (ASGs, RGs), especially with ASGs, which scale up/down from within Heat. If I'm outside of that, it isn't clear how to capture that change and re-plan (e.g., "here's what we had, here's what we have now, where does the new stuff go?"). | 15:27 |
| jdandrea | Even using preview() that blows up because I can't use preview from within a resource where nested *files* are concerned ... but I'm not 100% sure that's a bug: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1374042 | 15:28 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374042 in heat "Stack files dict missing from within resource plugin" [Undecided,Incomplete] | 15:28 |
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| mspreitz | jdandrea: Hi, I started looking at what you mentioned | 15:29 |
| jdandrea | mspreitz: Referred by zaneb. Would be interested to talk about resource scheduling at the "whole app" lev- oh hi! | 15:29 |
| mspreitz | but am confused about your latest remark | 15:29 |
| jdandrea | I'll try to unconfuse. :) | 15:30 |
| jdandrea | It's confusing to *me* sometimes. I'm learning as I go. | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | So I see a clearish separation | 15:30 |
| jdandrea | Sure. | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | Folks around me are using the stack lifecycle plug points to connect to something that does whole-stack placement... | 15:30 |
| jdandrea | Are these plug points in Icehouse? | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | A separate issue is how to get broken things replaced. | 15:30 |
| mspreitz | No, Bill Arnold got them in just recently | 15:31 |
| jdandrea | Right. I'm looking toward convergence for that, I imagine. | 15:31 |
| zaneb | jdandrea: mspreitz has a patch that will allow the autoscaling implementation to actually distribute across AZs. it should be merged early in Kilo development | 15:31 |
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| jdandrea | zaneb: Nice! | 15:31 |
| mspreitz | Yes. I figured to separate the AZ spanning from the general callout for placement | 15:31 |
| mspreitz | Because the community has not bought into doing placement in a general callout | 15:31 |
| mspreitz | but I figure does buy into spanning AZs | 15:31 |
| zaneb | jdandrea: we may want to have a plugin mechanism for distribution algorithms in that | 15:32 |
| jdandrea | mspreitz: *nods* ... and in my case, my go-do is to place things down to the host level (and for Cinder that gets interesting ... but that's another topic). | 15:32 |
| mspreitz | zaneb: I considered that, and we may, but currently it factors out relatively nicely | 15:32 |
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| jdandrea | So, as a heat dev novice, I approached the problem this way. | 15:33 |
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| zaneb | mspreitz: cool, I guess the first step is to see if what you have meets people's needs already :) | 15:33 |
| mspreitz | (BTW, I used weasel words because of the case of scale down) | 15:33 |
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| jdandrea | :) | 15:33 |
| jdandrea | I created a resource plugin based on StackResource. It takes a nested template. | 15:33 |
| bandwidth | question: Heat Client is always returning: ERROR: Authentication required | 15:34 |
| bandwidth | i followed the install guide, reinstalled, reconfigured, still no luck | 15:35 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: woohoo! it works! thank you so much :) | 15:35 |
| jdandrea | I got as far as the create phase. This plugin intercepts the nested template, fishes out info for server and volume resources (including any attachments, or other metadata), and sends this off to a library that knows about the cloud (it talks to nova, etc.). | 15:35 |
| bandwidth | is anybody ran into this issue before? | 15:35 |
| pas-ha | bandwidth, do you supply the required --os-... parameters? or have appropriate shell env variables defined? | 15:36 |
| jdandrea | It returns me resources and their AZ placements. HOWEVER ... because I have to target at the host level I use nova's az:host nomenclature (based on what it sees in nova and what it knows about AZs). For Cinder, I have to make each host its own AZ because they do not plan to use az:host nomenclature. | 15:36 |
| mspreitz | bandwidth: only with fairly simple goofs in environment variables for the client. I assume you checked those. | 15:36 |
| jdandrea | (Not good, but for now it gets me limping along.) | 15:36 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, glad to help :) | 15:36 |
| bandwidth | pas-ha mspreitz environment variables | 15:36 |
| mspreitz | jdandrea: for Cinder placement, you can use volume types | 15:37 |
| zaneb | pas-ha: that has been driving me crazy, and the error messages from pip are just terrible | 15:37 |
| jdandrea | So all of this works just fine. It breaks down at update time though. I'm also not thrilled that I'm so far away from the scheduler filters. I have another iteration where this occurs in a preprocessing kind of way, outside of Heat. In both cases there's the question of how to accomodate ResourceGroups and AutoScalingGroups. | 15:37 |
| bandwidth | with those variable, every other services works just fine (nova, cinder, neutron, etc...) | 15:37 |
| mspreitz | bandwidth: you know about giving auth information via CLI args or environmetn variables, right? | 15:37 |
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| bandwidth | mspreitz: yep | 15:38 |
| pas-ha | zaneb, no, I usually see "XXX.h was not found" and go look for what package supplies it :) | 15:38 |
| jdandrea | mspreitz: I was talking with the Cinder team about volume types. We went through a whole exercise around that and it dead-ended, not quite doing what we wanted. I can revisit that though. | 15:38 |
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| jdandrea | They were very helpful though - we went through a good deal of experimentation. | 15:38 |
| mspreitz | jdandrea: I have done the following. Create host-specific volume types. I am starting to forget details, but it worked, but was a hack. | 15:39 |
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| pas-ha | bandwidth, AFAIR heat client needs to know at least user, tenant, password and keystone endpoint url | 15:39 |
| pas-ha | are all those present in shell env? | 15:39 |
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| zaneb | pas-ha: maybe my debugging skills are rusty. 2 years of Python development makes you soft ;) | 15:39 |
| jdandrea | mspreitz: That sounds like what I tried to do. When I make each host its own AZ, that breaks the ability of Cinder to place at-will; you *must* specify an AZ. | 15:40 |
| mspreitz | jdandrea: I do not see why update should be a problem for you | 15:40 |
| bandwidth | pas-ha: export OS_USERNAME=demo | 15:40 |
| bandwidth | export OS_PASSWORD=********* | 15:40 |
| bandwidth | export OS_TENANT_NAME=demo | 15:40 |
| bandwidth | export OS_AUTH_URL=http://rdo:5000/v2.0 | 15:40 |
| mspreitz | jdandrea: No | 15:40 |
| bandwidth | export HEAT_INCLUDE_PASSWORD=1 | 15:40 |
| mspreitz | I did not make each host its own AZ | 15:40 |
| mspreitz | what I did was make host-specific volume types | 15:40 |
| pas-ha | bandwidth, OS_USERNAME? | 15:40 |
| jdandrea | mspreitz: Yes, I understand you didn't - what I mean is in *my* case ... | 15:40 |
| bandwidth | pas-ha: first line | 15:40 |
| pas-ha | oops | 15:40 |
| jdandrea | mspreitz: I would be interested to see how you got host-specific volume types to work, if that's available anywhere. I will check my notes too. It has been a while. | 15:41 |
| jdandrea | I am trying to be minimally invasive ... with mixed success. :) | 15:41 |
| bandwidth | pas-ha: like i said, everything works fine, exept for heat | 15:41 |
| pas-ha | strange. can you see heat in keystone catalog? | 15:41 |
| bandwidth | pas-ha: yep | 15:41 |
| jdandrea | As for updates ... | 15:41 |
| pas-ha | bandwidth, then I'm out of immediate ideas.. :( so any heat ... command fails on you? | 15:43 |
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| jdandrea | Oh, no. Phone call. :) | 15:44 |
| jdandrea | Back. | 15:44 |
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| bandwidth | pscheie: hum... maybe something about the region name. all the other services are configured on 'RegionOne' and this one on 'regionOne'... maybe lowercase R breaks everything | 15:44 |
| pas-ha | might be | 15:44 |
| jdandrea | One way I could handle updates (again, using the plugin and preview() method) is grab the updated template, send that plus the (cached) accumulated assignments back to the placement library, get the new placements, merge it all in, and send it along to Heat as an update. | 15:45 |
| jdandrea | For some reason, handle_create is being called instead. I was going to make a minimal test case to see what might be happening. update_allowed is set to True for my plugin. | 15:45 |
| jdandrea | ... and I can't use _responds_to_update (yet), because the folks I'm doing this for are not on the master branch (yet). | 15:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Further split autoscaling code https://review.openstack.org/123481 | 15:46 |
| jdandrea | So that's where I am at the moment. | 15:46 |
| mspreitz | OK, that sounds mysterious to me | 15:46 |
| jdandrea | Join the club. :) | 15:46 |
| mspreitz | Let me ask Bill if he tested update... | 15:46 |
| bandwidth | pas-ha: nope... wasn't that... out of ideas here too | 15:47 |
| bandwidth | pas-ha: thanks for the help | 15:47 |
| jdandrea | I'd rather not have it be mysterious. As a first pass, however, and being completely new to Heat, that's how I tackled it. I'm now looking to factor the process out of Heat. What remains, however, is how to handle nesting, ResourceGroups (which only have *one* declaration in a template, plus some #), and things like AutoScaling. | 15:48 |
| mspreitz | jdandrea: In testing the stack lifecycle plug points, Bill saw that the update pluings were called, implying that handle_update was called | 15:48 |
| jdandrea | mspreitz: I'm not (yet) familiar with the plug points. That sounds like it may be very useful. | 15:49 |
| mspreitz | When you preview the top-level stack, you get all the nested stuff expanded out for you | 15:49 |
| jdandrea | mspreitz: So it expands things like ResourceGroups and ASGs? Ooh. | 15:49 |
| mspreitz | yes | 15:49 |
| jdandrea | I think that would be a huge help here. | 15:49 |
| zaneb | therve: what's the story with bug 1374128? | 15:50 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1374128 in heat "Barbican client API changed" [Medium,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1374128 | 15:50 |
| mspreitz | the other case is this: a user's update operation invoked on a nested stack, e.g., a scaling operation on a scaling group | 15:51 |
| jdandrea | Actually, I tried this, come to think of it, but from within my plugin. I went up to the stack and asked for a stack preview. It failed because of lower level file-based includes. Only http worked. (The file dict was empty.) | 15:51 |
| mspreitz | In this case you do not start at the top | 15:51 |
| therve | zaneb, Once upon a time, some developers decided to break a library | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to openstack/heat: Switch to oslo.serialization https://review.openstack.org/125103 | 15:51 |
| openstackgerrit | Thierry Carrez proposed a change to openstack/heat: Open Kilo development https://review.openstack.org/125104 | 15:51 |
| therve | zaneb, You mean when am I going to fix it? | 15:52 |
| zaneb | therve: it was targeted for -rc1. is it going to make it, or should we bump? | 15:52 |
| mspreitz | Um, the file dict is not persisted? I do not remember hearing about a difficulty like this. Let me check with Bill again... | 15:52 |
| jdandrea | mspreitz: If I drop down to pdb and poke around, file is empty, yeah. :/ | 15:52 |
| therve | zaneb, Hum I should be able to get something up in the next hour if that's fine. | 15:52 |
| jdandrea | mspreitz: ty | 15:53 |
| zaneb | therve: that would work. I untargeted it, but there is still some other stuff pending so it can probably still get it anyway | 15:53 |
| therve | OK looking at it then | 15:53 |
| mspreitz | jdandrea: this is very strange. Bill reports having problems with files, he needed to use URLs to get everything to work. OTOH I know that many times I have successfully testing scaling of a group whose member type is a filename (relative URL reference technically, but the point is that it is backed by a file delivered by the client that created the stack) | 15:55 |
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| jdandrea | mspreitz: That's exactly what I ran into. I have to use http(s) schemes, not the file scheme nor filenames. | 15:55 |
| jdandrea | From what I can see, file is expressly not used as a scheme. The code base opts to check the file dict instead. | 15:56 |
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| jdandrea | You may be able to *scale* (I haven't made it that far, tbh), but with, say, a ResourceGroup that refers to a filename, if I try to preview my nested stack (which contains that RG and file reference) from within my resource plugin, it fails. | 15:57 |
| jdandrea | Actually, I take that back. I can be at the same level (within that stack) and it also fails. | 15:58 |
| bandwidth | pas-ha: found the solution to my problem... the user heat was not admin on tenant services | 15:58 |
| bandwidth | pas-ha: misconfiguration | 15:58 |
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| bandwidth | pas-ha: sorry about that... must have cut paste something wrong | 15:59 |
| mspreitz | I will check with colleagues about this. Email me at mspreitz@us.ibm.com for followups on the issues we discussed. I am off to the container meeting now. | 15:59 |
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| jdandrea | mspreitz: Sounds good. Will do. | 16:00 |
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| pas-ha | bandwidth, good to hear | 16:07 |
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| ananta | Hi i had a question regarding couple of bugs in stack abandon 1353670 & 1350908 | 16:11 |
| zaneb | ananta: o/ | 16:12 |
| uberj | has anyone had any luck running heat against any public clouds? | 16:12 |
| ananta | Wanted to know if they were targeted for juno | 16:12 |
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| zaneb | ananta: they are not, because juno is tomorrow | 16:13 |
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| zaneb | ananta: I just created bug 1375879. that one is now targeted for Juno | 16:13 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1375879 in heat "Disable Abandon/Adopt features by default" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1375879 | 16:13 |
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| ananta | Ok... my bad ... sorry... | 16:14 |
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| pas-ha | g'night all | 16:23 |
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| ananta | I shld go to sleep too... good night and good day! | 16:26 |
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| uberj | any rackspace people in here? How well does HEAT work there? | 17:13 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Fix subnet residue when resource deletion https://review.openstack.org/122601 | 17:14 |
| uberj | can't find anything about hp cloud doing heat | 17:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Skip validation if depends on not created resource https://review.openstack.org/108951 | 17:14 |
| randallburt | uberj: do you mean running your own heat against Rackspace cloud or using Rackspace's public heat endpoint? | 17:14 |
| uberj | randallburt: is the first possible? | 17:16 |
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| randallburt | uberj: yep. depending on what you need to do, you may have to enable one or more of the plugins in contrib/rackspace. You also need to use the v2 auth plugin since we don't have a v3 endpoint. | 17:16 |
| uberj | randallburt: wow, thats cool, can you point me to some docs? | 17:17 |
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| openstackgerrit | Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Update usage of Barbican library https://review.openstack.org/125122 | 17:17 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Remove unused network_utils https://review.openstack.org/125008 | 17:18 |
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| randallburt | uberj: I don't know that there are any for setting up Heat to work with Rackspace tbh. But here's our api docs and such (Cloud Orchestration under Application services) if that helps: http://docs.rackspace.com/ | 17:18 |
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| uberj | randallburt: what about the later? does rackspace have a icehouse equivalent heat api? | 17:21 |
| randallburt | uberj: yep. both api and in control panel. though we chase master a bit so it might not be 100% icehouse. | 17:22 |
| uberj | cool! | 17:22 |
| uberj | so it will be a little beyond icehouse | 17:23 |
| randallburt | uberj: should be | 17:23 |
| randallburt | uberj: actually, it should be closer to juno than icehouse | 17:25 |
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| sdake_ | zaneb around | 17:50 |
| zaneb | yep | 17:50 |
| sdake_ | do you know wht creates the fedora user | 17:50 |
| sdake_ | before we created ec2-user | 17:50 |
| zaneb | I don't | 17:50 |
| sdake_ | thanks | 17:50 |
| sdake_ | heavy wizardry ftw | 17:51 |
| zaneb | cloud-init has always seemed like a bit of a black art to me | 17:51 |
| sdake_ | yup ;) | 17:51 |
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| ryansb | Just accept the voodoo | 17:52 |
| sdake_ | worst part i si wrote thta years ago | 17:53 |
| sdake_ | but now don't know how it works ;( | 17:53 |
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| zaneb | I hate it when that happens | 17:53 |
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| larsks | sdake_: cloud-init creates the fedora user. Hopefully that is clear now :) | 17:55 |
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| larsks | sdake_: E.g., you can look at /etc/passwd on a f20 cloud image, which has no fedora user, and then see what creates based on the default /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg. And as you see with Heat, you can override that and get, e.g., an ec2-user instead. | 17:56 |
| larsks | zaneb: does heat look by default at /usr/share/heat/heat-dist.conf? | 17:58 |
| larsks | (and .../api-paste-dist.ini?) | 17:58 |
| zaneb | larsks: I don't even know what that is | 17:58 |
| sdake_ | lol | 17:59 |
| larsks | zaneb: must be a packaging thing, then, which suggests I need to go chase a packaging bug. | 17:59 |
| zaneb | probably | 17:59 |
| sdake_ | what creates /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg? | 17:59 |
| larsks | sdake_: packaging. | 17:59 |
| zaneb | although I wouldn't read anything in to my cluelessness | 17:59 |
| sdake_ | you mean the #cloud-config metadata blob ? | 17:59 |
| sdake_ | i suspect it is the cloud-config metadata blob | 18:00 |
| sdake_ | check out instance.py | 18:00 |
| larsks | sdake_: no, the cloud-init package creates an /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg which has defaults.y | 18:00 |
| larsks | you can override those with the cloud-config metadata blob. | 18:00 |
| larsks | But, e.g., fedora uses "fedora" and centos uses "cloud-user" based on defaults in that file. | 18:00 |
| sdake_ | heat does that | 18:00 |
| sdake_ | how do i emulate? | 18:00 |
| larsks | Right, and heat overrides that and uses ec2-user, as I was saying earlier. | 18:00 |
| larsks | sdake_: emulate which? You could just configure the filesystem cloud.cfg if you're trying to do that with virt-builder... | 18:01 |
| sdake_ | yes with vb | 18:01 |
| larsks | So just replace /etc/cloud/cloud.cfg with your preferred config. | 18:02 |
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| larsks | zaneb: re: the -dist.conf stuff, that's used in a lot of the RHEL packages to set sane defaults, and then things are often launched with multiple --config-file options, pointing both at /usr/share/... and also into /etc/heat... | 18:03 |
| zaneb | that makes a lot of sense | 18:04 |
| sdake | heat has that setup | 18:05 |
| sdake | atleast in repos | 18:05 |
| larsks | sdake: yeah, except apparently the current rdo packages are *missing* those options. | 18:05 |
| larsks | ...which is what led to my earlier question. | 18:06 |
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| larsks | Hmm, recent changes (9/11). | 18:06 |
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| sdake_ | ccrouch your id says "jboss" | 18:12 |
| sdake_ | need redhat/redhat ;-) | 18:12 |
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| ccrouch | sdake: i used to be redhat/jboss | 18:20 |
| ccrouch | but it was set so long ago that i have no idea how to change it :-) | 18:20 |
| ryansb | jboss4lyfe | 18:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Template not required on stack-adopt https://review.openstack.org/111844 | 18:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Include parameters info in stack-abandon data https://review.openstack.org/111843 | 18:39 |
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| jdandrea | I see heat_waitcondition_server_url is set to the private network (like everything else in our heat.conf), but my VMs can't reach that network. Must this URL be set to use the public network instead? (It works if I change it, but should that traffic be on the public net?) | 18:45 |
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| larsks | jdandrea: it is in theory contacting what is already a public api... | 19:03 |
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| sdake | jdandrea the transmission is secure - you don't have to worry about replay attacks, mim, etc | 19:20 |
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| jdandrea | larsks, sdake: Thanks. That's what I was going to ask about (replay, man-in-middle). | 20:01 |
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| larsks | jdandrea: the requests are signed using AWS-style hmac-based signatures. | 20:02 |
| jdandrea | larsks: Excellent. ty | 20:03 |
| jdandrea | larsks: Just to be sure, does that apply to heat_watch_server_url and heat_metadata_server_url as well? (I know there's that magic 169.254.169.254 IP that is used from the VM side.) | 20:06 |
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| larsks | jdandrea: I believe that applies to anything that talks to the heat aws-style apis (heat-api-cfn and heat-api-cloudwatch) | 20:07 |
| openstackgerrit | Zane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Disable Abandon & Adopt features by default https://review.openstack.org/125177 | 20:07 |
| jdandrea | larsks: Got it. | 20:07 |
| larsks | jdandrea: But! I am not necessarily authoritative :) | 20:07 |
| jdandrea | larsks: Fair enough. :) | 20:07 |
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| jdandrea | (Who is, in this case?) | 20:09 |
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| larsks | jdandrea: maybe shardy (out), asalkeld (probably coming online soon)... | 20:13 |
| jdandrea | ok, tx | 20:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Encrypt Heat template hidden parameters https://review.openstack.org/97900 | 20:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Vijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support for encrypt/decrypt parameters in heat-manage https://review.openstack.org/119836 | 20:49 |
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| uberj | https://pastebin.mozilla.org/6673403 line 138 runs twice... why? | 20:58 |
| uberj | I notice that when I remove line 171 it doesn't run twice | 20:58 |
| uberj | its almost as if chaining those two softwaredeploys together causes the first SD to run twice | 20:59 |
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| uberj | filing a bug for this one | 21:05 |
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| uberj | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1376008 | 21:14 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376008 in heat "Implicit dependancy between two SoftwareDeployment resources causes double run" [Undecided,New] | 21:14 |
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| zaneb | Heat cores: this is the last -rc1 review: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125177/ | 21:37 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Update usage of Barbican library https://review.openstack.org/125122 | 22:19 |
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| asalkeld | morning | 22:31 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, you still about? | 22:31 |
| asalkeld | (just wondering what's left todo before rc1) | 22:32 |
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| uberj | asalkeld: btw, tracked down that double run thing I was talking about yesterday https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1376008 | 22:40 |
| asalkeld | zaneb, your patch approved | 22:40 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1376008 in heat "Implicit dependency between two SoftwareDeployment resources causes double run (rdo-icehouse-release)" [Undecided,New] | 22:40 |
| asalkeld | well done | 22:41 |
| uberj | I was trying to get devstack up so I could test it but its not happy | 22:42 |
| asalkeld | np | 22:43 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, are you in/pto? | 23:23 |
| asalkeld | sdake, ^ | 23:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Disable Abandon & Adopt features by default https://review.openstack.org/125177 | 23:32 |
| asalkeld | release rc1 now? | 23:33 |
| asalkeld | lovely: https://launchpad.net/heat/+milestone/juno-rc1 | 23:33 |
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