Wednesday, 2014-10-01

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openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix some sphinx warnings/errors  https://review.openstack.org/12153200:39
openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Sync environment and composition docs from openstack-manuals  https://review.openstack.org/12153300:39
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openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make sure that AutoScalingGroup depends on the launch config  https://review.openstack.org/12525102:02
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openstackgerritAngus Salkeld proposed a change to openstack/heat: Make sure that AutoScalingGroup depends on the launch config  https://review.openstack.org/12525102:37
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zanebasalkeld: I just approved the patch to open Kilo development https://review.openstack.org/#/c/125104/02:42
zanebasalkeld: so juno-rc1 should get cut tomorrow02:42
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SpamapSzaneb: FYI, adopt/abandon going away is kind of the nail in the coffin for Heat in HP Helion. We've been talking about fixing it so we can use it as an escape valve for when things get wedged...02:43
zanebSpamapS: it's not going away02:44
SpamapSIt's being turned off by default, yes?02:44
zanebyes, but you can enable it02:44
SpamapSoff by default will lead to less awareness02:44
SpamapSless users02:44
SpamapSless contribution02:44
zanebpersonally I'd recommend only enabling abandon02:44
zanebwe need to make sure it gets fixed for Kilo02:44
SpamapSI get why it has to happen.02:44
asalkeldthanks zaneb02:44
zanebletting it drift for another 6 months is not acceptable02:45
SpamapSWe've been tossing around the idea of redirecting a couple of the convergence-focused guys to work on making it viable.02:45
zanebSpamapS: I'm well aware that people need it02:45
asalkeldneed people to maintain it02:45
asalkeldfunctional tests...02:45
zanebI'm kind of annoyed that the original author (a) merged such a half-baked thing, and then (b) promised to fix it but hasn't given 6 months to do so02:46
asalkeldzaneb, maybe the more hard core approach is to just remove the whole feature:-O02:46
asalkeldbut maybe being there is good to encourage people to help out02:47
zanebasalkeld: I think in future we probably need to demand that new features get delivered like this (disabled by default)02:47
zaneband put pressure on submitters to actually stand behind their stuff02:47
asalkeldbut still sucks that we have the api endpoints and nothing behind it02:47
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asalkeldtho' endless feature config options are sucky02:48
zanebasalkeld: yeah, it's really unfortunate02:48
zanebthere's no good answers :(02:48
SpamapSzaneb: sure.. I'm kind of annoyed that I didn't see that it was half-baked and either address that or not rely on it probably working02:48
zaneband especially not at this stage if the game02:48
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asalkeldi can see why nova made extensions02:49
SpamapSasalkeld: feature configs are great if you want to run CD.02:49
SpamapSasalkeld: but not so much for less invested users. :-P02:49
asalkeldwell it also means more divergence in fuctionality02:49
asalkeld(across clouds)02:50
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asalkeldenabled here, but not there02:50
SpamapSAnyway, the pile of things that make it hard to use Heat just seems to stay static... we fixed some BIG ones, but not being able to operate out of band of Heat is almost as big of an inconvenience.02:50
asalkeldlater zaneb02:50
zanebo/02:50
SpamapSs/we fixed/you all fixed/02:50
SpamapSI've done nothing lately. :-P02:50
zanebSpamapS: that's just development... you fix the immediate issues and that gets you unblocked and you discover the next issue02:51
zanebit never really ends02:51
zanebbut your capabilities are increasing all the time02:51
SpamapSzaneb: getting unblocked would be awesome. Hasn't happened yet. :-P02:51
asalkeldSpamapS, you need convergence to get unblocked?02:52
SpamapSand I'm not complaining.. I'm lamenting my own inability to identify the blockage before the log train gets backed up to the mill.. :-P02:52
asalkeldok, well SpamapS I am all ears02:52
asalkeldbbl: just heading to lunch02:53
zanebSpamapS: that's not true, we broke down a lot of barriers02:53
asalkeldkids getting hungry02:53
SpamapSasalkeld: No, but I need action control, performance for metadata query, and resource groups that enable merge::map to go away from tripleo-heat-templates.02:53
zanebbut yeah, in general there's no way to know in advance what your next problem will be02:53
SpamapSMost of these things shadower is working on. :)02:53
asalkeldok02:53
SpamapSzaneb: You have, I appreciate that. It pains me to be in this position asking for more and not able to actually unblock myself. :-/02:54
asalkeld"just" need to go from problem to solution faster02:54
zanebSpamapS: I understand. We all do the best we can, when we can02:54
SpamapSI think the real issue is that we're only just now at the point where we reliably deploy clouds of any size.02:55
SpamapSAlso did not anticipate the need for sophisticated workflow control.02:56
SpamapSanyway, just wanted to point out that adopt/abandon were one way I was hoping to be able to handle things in a troubleshooting guide.. like "The stack is wedged, abandon, edit, adopt, move on with life."02:57
zanebSpamapS: then you should enable them in your config02:57
SpamapSBut I'll be the first to admit I didn't do anything to fix it so I can't expect it to get better either. :-P02:57
SpamapSzaneb: they don't work. :-/02:57
SpamapSwe lose metadata access02:57
zanebSpamapS: is there a bug for that?02:58
SpamapSand while I do actually have the ability to do metadata updates via SSH using ansible.. there are times when that isn't enough because "reasons"02:58
SpamapSzaneb: yes02:58
zanebnot seeing it in https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bugs?field.tag=abandon-adopt02:58
zanebso I may have missed one in tagging02:58
SpamapSzaneb: It's entirely possible it has been fixed. :-P02:59
zanebI tried to tag the fixed bugs also02:59
SpamapSahh looky, fix committed02:59
SpamapShttps://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/130073402:59
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1300734 in heat "Stack abandon deletes stack domain project" [High,Fix committed]02:59
SpamapSOne problem I also have, is that HP's internal product people froze Heat on 8/6 .. so I'm dealing with a ton of awesome fixes that aren't available until after we release. :-P03:00
zanebyeah, that's just about the worst time to freeze03:02
zanebright in the middle of landing all the brand new features, and well before the release bug-fixing03:03
SpamapSdon't get me started. ;)03:03
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SpamapSit's basically like 'hey, let's freeze right before stabilization commmences"03:03
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zanebSpamapS: tell them what you really think!03:04
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SpamapS'nite03:04
zanebo/03:05
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openstackgerritKanagaraj Manickam proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: heat resource abandon and adopt  https://review.openstack.org/12470705:30
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asalkeldhttp://status.openstack.org/elastic-recheck/#137417505:55
asalkeldowch,: 18 fails in 24 hrs / 32 fails in 10 days05:55
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/12428106:01
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openstackgerritKanagaraj Manickam proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: heat resource abandon and adopt  https://review.openstack.org/12470706:23
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ikke-tguys, how to clean away heat stack stuck in: DELETE_IN_PROGRESS06:35
ikke-tdo i mess things up badly if i just nuke the row from db?06:35
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ikke-thow to use heat: update stack set deleted_at='2014-10-01 09:41:00', status_reason='Stack DELETE completed successfully', status='COMPLETE' where id='a8fc9d68-35a4-4dbb-a2a6-878e8919da64';06:43
ikke-t;)06:43
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skraynevGood morning!06:54
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asalkeldhi skraynev06:54
asalkeldhi pas-ha06:54
skraynevhi asalkeld, pas-ha ;)06:54
pas-hamorning :)06:54
skraynevikke-t: try to re-execute "heat stack-delete"06:55
skraynevikke-t: It worked for me.06:55
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/12369907:11
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ikke-tskraynev, thanks, i had tried it already, no help08:00
ikke-tin some cases it works though08:00
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skraynevikke-t: Hm.. strange. in this case it looks like problem with db.08:01
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skraynevif it's really need you may delete it manually from db ;)08:02
ikke-tthat's how i solved it08:02
ikke-tjust made me wonder what cruft it leaves behind08:03
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skraynevikke-t: btw I met it some times ago and Last master does not demonstrate such problem (of course I may be a lucky man)08:05
ikke-ti'm stuck with rhosp08:05
ikke-tin this case08:06
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asalkeldthis bug seems to be hitting a lot, if anyone is feeling brave: https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/130487508:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1304875 in tempest "tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow fails with DB error resource with id XXX not found" [Undecided,New]08:06
asalkeldsame as this https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/137417508:06
uvirtbotLaunchpad bug 1374175 in heat "test_server_cfn_init failed in gate-tempest-dsvm-neutron-heat-slow: AssertionError: Timed out waiting for 10.1.0.4 to become reachable" [High,Confirmed]08:06
skraynevasalkeld: looks like hard reproducible.08:08
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asalkeldyeah, I didn't say it was easy:-(08:11
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pas-hato all Fedora people - I need to add a couple of packages to a standard Fedora20 cloud image. how should I proceed? may be some how-to link..08:19
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cmysterpas-ha: maybe its a question for the fedora channel ?08:58
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pas-hacmyster, found #fedora-cloud, went there :)09:07
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openstackgerritYanyan Hu proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add current_size attribute for OS::Heat::AutoScalingGroup  https://review.openstack.org/12306610:35
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openstackgerritYanyan Hu proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add current_size attribute for OS::Heat::AutoScalingGroup  https://review.openstack.org/12306610:39
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skraynevwill be heat meeting today?11:01
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asalkeldskraynev, in 45mins11:14
asalkeld(thanks nearly forgot)11:14
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skraynevasalkeld: he-he. np, I forgot that it will be at 12.00 UTC, I thought it was 11.00 UTC :)11:16
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skraynevasalkeld: argh... unstable Jenkins gate... can not pass still.11:20
asalkeldtoo many issues11:21
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skraynevyeah :(11:23
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asalkeldskraynev, this looks ok to me: http://docs-draft.openstack.org/41/121741/8/check/gate-openstack-manuals-tox-doc-publish-checkbuild/7e0f901/publish-docs/hot-guide/content/composition_how-to-use-template-resources-for-composition.html11:54
asalkeld(the http: link)11:54
asalkeldtho' the whole thing looks horrid11:55
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skraynevasalkeld: I meant to add note about raw template.11:55
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asalkeldhuh?11:55
asalkeldwhat do you mean raw template11:56
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skraynevin this doc you told about url links which may be used when you provide template11:56
skraynevf.e. heat stack-create -u hhtps://example.com/tmpl.yaml11:57
skraynevs/hhtps/https11:57
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asalkeldi am discribing how to put the link straight into the resource type11:57
asalkeldresoruces:11:58
asalkeld foo:11:58
asalkeld   type: <url>11:58
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skraynevyeah. ok. let me explain on example11:59
asalkeldok11:59
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skraynevif you use this link https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/hello_world.yaml12:00
skraynevit will not work12:00
skraynevyou should use only such https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/heat-templates/master/hot/hello_world.yaml12:00
skraynevPossibly it's actual only for templates if you use github...12:00
zanebmeeting time12:00
asalkeldskraynev, i am using http://example.com not github12:00
asalkeldhi zaneb12:01
skraynevhi zaneb12:01
skraynevasalkeld: it's ok. I just ask you to add note about github case. (I think that some users may try to use link on github for resource mapping and they will not work )12:03
asalkeldok12:04
skraynevasalkeld: ps. if it's not really big deal for you ;) After that I ready to give +2.12:07
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PutnsHi, i got an issue with heat. Ive got a fresh OS installation and stack creation fails12:17
PutnsResource CREATE failed: Forbidden: You are not authorized to perform the requested action, identity:list_roles. (HTTP 403)12:17
Putnsas in, fails for non-admin users12:18
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Putnsgoogling it up returns some bug reports for havana and such12:19
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openstackgerritYanyan Hu proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add current_size attribute for OS::Heat::AutoScalingGroup  https://review.openstack.org/12306612:26
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Switch to oslo.utils  https://review.openstack.org/12500912:40
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larsksPutns: what version of Heat are you using?12:51
Putnsuhh, should be the latest12:51
Putnsmaster branch, i guess12:52
larsksHave you read this? http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/04/heat-auth-model-updates-part-2-stack.html12:52
Putnsnope12:52
larsksI *think* failure to configure auth properly as documented there can cause the error you are seeing.12:53
larsks...but I am not 100% positive.12:53
Putnshmm12:53
Putnswell, i was just following the installation documentation on the official site12:53
larsksYup.12:53
Putnsill look into this, thanks12:54
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skraynevzaneb: any additional meeing items or open discussion?13:01
skraynevs/meeing/meeting13:01
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asalkeldi should go to bed, everyone else sleeping here13:02
zanebunless anybody else has bugs to look at13:02
therveI'll just say that the weekly meeting is not the appropriate place for design discussions13:02
asalkeldyeah13:03
zanebprobably a good time for skraynev's question13:03
skraynevyeah, thx.13:03
therveThe last 2 I attended were stucked around HARestarter which is frustrating13:03
skraynevit' related with snapshots feature and snapshot deletion policy13:03
zanebtherve: it's hard, because there can be some value in a real-time discussion sometimes13:03
asalkeldsubject keeps restarting :-O13:03
skraynevhttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/117473/13:03
thervezaneb, Sure. We can organize some outside of the weekly meeting though.13:04
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asalkeldnight all13:04
zanebtherve: that's probably a good idea13:04
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skraynevtherve: explained me that I was wrong and that it's two different independent things13:05
skraynevbut I wanted to ask: how will be better to rename it13:06
zaneblooking...13:06
therveYeah that's some confusing API naming, sorry about that13:06
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zanebhandle_delete_backup would be ok I think13:07
skraynevzaneb: ok, but what about name of Policy ? will we leave it as Snapshot, which does not related with real snapshot mechanism?13:08
zanebwe can't change HOT13:09
zaneb*old versions of13:09
skraynevI understand ...13:09
skraynevbut may be some workaround...13:09
skraynevexplanation in documentation?13:10
zanebdocumentation is good :)13:10
skraynevgot it.13:11
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skraynevthx. that is all ;)13:11
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Putnsi followed the instructions in that post, larsks, restarted everything, still the same issue :(13:25
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larsksPutns: Bummer.  Are you installing from source or from packages?13:29
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Putnspackages13:29
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openstackgerritJan Provaznik proposed a change to openstack/heat: Convert values into string for string properties  https://review.openstack.org/12535614:09
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sdakemorning asalkeld14:31
sdakeasalkeld sbaker is on pto this week14:31
sdakeHe is back oct 7 in the office GMT-7 time ;-)14:32
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sdakecompliance training.14:41
* sdake ughs14:41
sdakeseems like just last year I did this nonsense14:42
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sdake6 minutes down - 2 to go14:57
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openstackgerritWilliam C. Arnold proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement AZ spanning for AWS ASGs  https://review.openstack.org/11613915:02
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openstackgerritVijendar Komalla proposed a change to openstack/heat: Encrypt Heat template hidden parameters  https://review.openstack.org/9790015:05
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adrienvergeHi all16:07
adrienvergeCan we open a new spec folder for kilo?16:07
adrienvergehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/124746/16:07
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Fix some sphinx warnings/errors  https://review.openstack.org/12153216:45
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Include parameters info in stack-abandon data  https://review.openstack.org/11184316:45
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FirespiritHi all, I use heat to spawn windows 2012 in our cloud and i use a cinder resource to attach disk to my instance but when i login to the server my disk is there but not online. Does a resource exist that can attach volume to windows server and bring them online and setup them as a active partition in windows^17:44
Firespirit?17:44
zanebFirespirit: no.17:47
zaneb(nor is there one for Linux, fwiw)17:47
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Firespiritthanks Zaneb17:49
Firespiritdo you know by any chance how from the heat template to execute powershell script on the server^17:49
Firespirit?17:49
zanebI don't recall if cloud-init now supports windows17:50
Firespiritok i will try to do search about that.17:50
zanebbasically cloud-init is how Heat interfaces to the server when it's running Linux, so you need the windows equivalent17:50
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Open Kilo development  https://review.openstack.org/12510417:50
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Firespiritif anyone here have more info about how i can run powershell stuff on windows server with heat template i will love if you can share with me :D17:51
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zanebgokrokve: ^ any ideas?17:52
alexpilottizaneb: teh Windows equivalent is: https://github.com/stackforge/cloudbase-init17:52
zanebaha!17:53
gokrokveFirespirit: you will need to run powershell command to initialize these volumes. They are bare block devices without filesystem and partitions17:53
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Firespiritthat's what i tought. i'm new with cloudstack/heat technologies and globally cloud tech :)17:54
Firespiritalexpilotti: i see the git repo you link but how i can use it now :)17:55
alexpilottiFirespirit: http://www.cloudbase.it/cloud-init-for-windows-instances/17:55
Firespiritok! i will check if instance i spawn have this install by default :)17:56
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gokrokveFirespirit: http://paste.openstack.org/show/117543/18:09
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gokrokveFirespirit: Here is the code how we use it: https://github.com/stackforge/murano/blob/master/meta/io.murano/Classes/resources/WindowsInstance.yaml18:11
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gokrokveFirespirit: And heat stack part generation https://github.com/stackforge/murano/blob/master/meta/io.murano/Classes/resources/Instance.yaml#L10118:13
gokrokveWe use windows-cloud-init on our images. See the link above provided by alexpilotti18:13
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jdandrearyansb: yt?18:36
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openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix loguserdata.py syntax for Python < 2.6  https://review.openstack.org/12546919:19
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openstackgerritZane Bitter proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix cloud-init Python syntax for Python < 2.6  https://review.openstack.org/12546920:00
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/heat: Template not required on stack-adopt  https://review.openstack.org/11184420:50
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andersonvomanybody suddenly having problems installing qpid-python?21:04
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larsksandersonvom: On which os?21:08
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andersonvomlarsks: precise6421:11
larsksandersonvom: there's a python-qpid...seems to install without a problem.  Is that what you wanted?21:14
larsksandersonvom: oh, huh, and there is also "qpid-tools - Python bindings for qpid/mlib"21:14
andersonvomlarsks: hummm.. really? let me try that21:14
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andersonvomlarsks: no such package python-qpid, when I try to install qpid-toold it requires qpid-python and blows up just like when running pip install -r requirements.txt21:17
larsksandersonvom: Have you done a recent apt-get update?  I just did, and then "apt-get install qpid-tools", and it installed with no errors.21:18
larsksThat's the limit of my ubuntu knowledge, though...21:18
andersonvomlarsks: I meant installing them through pip =)21:19
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larsksAh.21:19
larsksWell, never mind then.21:19
andersonvomlarsks: I 've had problems with conflicting packages between the different services (heat, glance, nova, etc), so I created a virtualenv for each project and tried installing everything separately21:20
andersonvomthing is, heat just won't work. all other projects install fine21:20
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larsksDid the problem just crop up?  Or do you always run into that with heat?21:21
larsks(I'm wondering if pypi is just having a bad day or something...)21:21
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uberjhas anyone seen "esource CREATE failed: EndpointNotFound: publicURL endpoint for network service in RegionOne region not found" when using devstack?21:28
uberjI get that message when I try to deploy a stack21:28
uberj(stack-list and stack-create submissions work)21:28
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larsksuberj: does an appropriate endpoint exist in your service catalog?21:29
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uberjlarsks: erm, how do I check that? some keystone command I'm guessing21:51
uberjkeystone endpoint-list ?21:52
andersonvomlarsks: sorry, went for a quick bite. it started a few days ago, when I decided to go into a virtualenv to run heat21:56
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larsksuberj: "keystone endpoint-get --service network" ought to help (run that with admin credentials)22:09
uberjlarsks: does devstack spit out the credentials somewhere handy?22:10
uberjoh22:11
larsksuberj: you should have an "openrc" file somewhere...22:11
uberjI'm reading openrc22:11
uberjand it says22:11
larsksYeah.22:11
uberj# source openrc [username] [tenantname]22:11
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larsksRight.  ". openrc admin" (or "source openrc admin")22:11
uberj[stack@wesley devstack]$ keystone endpoint-get --service network22:11
uberjpublicURL endpoint for network service not found22:12
larsksuberj: so, heat wasn't lyin'.22:12
uberjheh22:12
larsksuberj: you need to do something like this: http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/install-guide/install/apt/content/neutron-install-network-node.html22:12
larsksuberj: ...but devstack should have done that for you, so it sounds like something went awry.22:13
uberjyeah22:13
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asalkeldmorning22:35
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uberjlarsks: when you test heat do you use heat stand alone or do you spin up an entire devstack?22:50
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asalkeldare we good to approve patches now? the new branch has been made? - looking on github23:14
asalkeldno stable/juno23:15
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asalkeldand no new tags23:16
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