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| ramishra | stevebaker: Hello , u around? | 00:15 |
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| stevebaker | ramishra: hi! | 00:15 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: Just wanted to confirm/agree on the plan for the container stuff. I've created a new bug and uploaded the docker hook for it. I'm creating a new bp spec to work on the container resource spec with kubelet agent..option 2 we discussed last time. | 00:18 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: does that sound good? | 00:19 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: I've been looking at it, I'll do a review soon | 00:19 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: plan sounds good. | 00:19 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: I know I said we should map to https://cloud.google.com/compute/docs/containers/container_vms#container_manifest but I actually meant a config resource should represent one item in the containers list - which means we would have to do something else for volumes | 00:21 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: I don't know if we should actually do ^. It will come down to whether it is a good idea to define multiple containers in a config resource | 00:21 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: but I felt it would be good to represenet a pod in a config resource rather than a container | 00:22 |
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| stevebaker | ramishra: I'll read up on https://github.com/GoogleCloudPlatform/kubernetes/blob/master/docs/pods.md and comment in the review. You could be right | 00:23 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: this would help containers to share volumes for number of use-cases | 00:24 |
| stevebaker | yeah, there likely needs to be some concept of "logical host" | 00:24 |
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| ramishra | stevebaker: also, I've ignored the input/output stuff at the moment as there is no use for them with the manifest.. not sure, if we fins some way to use them;) | 00:25 |
| ramishra | s/fins/find | 00:26 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: I was going to suggest mapping inputs to env, but now I think it might be better to use OS::Heat::StructuredConfig/StructuredDeployment and use the get_input function | 00:26 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: yeah..the second option for StructuredConfig is logical.. But thats just inline replacement and not for the hook to do anything with it..right? | 00:28 |
| stevebaker | yep, nothing for the hook to do | 00:29 |
| ramishra | stevebaker: thanks.. will wait for your final review and have already started work on the bp spec for option 2, will share it in a few days.. | 00:30 |
| stevebaker | ramishra: thanks, it is certainly going in the right direction | 00:31 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ziad Sawalha proposed a change to openstack/heat: Update api docstrings to match guidelines https://review.openstack.org/73515 | 00:40 |
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| Qiming | morning | 01:05 |
| Qiming | stevebaker, around? | 01:05 |
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| sdake | yay its almost the 16-18th of october | 01:26 |
| sdake | my favorite time of year | 01:27 |
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| asalkeld | what happens then sdake | 01:28 |
| asalkeld | save me from googling | 01:28 |
| Qiming | sdake, so you will work all three days and nights? | 01:28 |
| sdake | asalkeld money falls from the shadowman | 01:28 |
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| asalkeld | i see, stock payout | 01:29 |
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| sdake | almost got openstack running in containers | 01:32 |
| sdake | \o/ | 01:32 |
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| stevebaker | Qiming: hi | 01:58 |
| Qiming | stevebaker, hi, regarding https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128365/6 | 01:59 |
| Qiming | I prefer your option 2) | 01:59 |
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| Qiming | but I would suggest not using 'remove_hints' as the name under 'remove_policies' | 02:01 |
| Qiming | I had some comments here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128365/4/heat/engine/resources/resource_group.py, for you and shardy to consider | 02:01 |
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| stevebaker | Qiming: yeah, me too. It would be good to get William Arnold involved in this, and for him to update the spec | 02:02 |
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| Qiming | stevebaker, yes | 02:02 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: actually for ResourceGroup '0' is not an index, its a resource name. So you would suggest NAME_LIST instead of REMOVE_HINT | 02:03 |
| Qiming | yes, leave some room for future extension | 02:04 |
| Qiming | the code today is only about index and/or name, then we call it 'index' or 'name', that is my only suggestion | 02:05 |
| stevebaker | there is no index, only name ;) | 02:06 |
| asalkeld | doesn't it make sense to have the same mechanism for the asg and this | 02:06 |
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| asalkeld | seems weird to have 2 | 02:06 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: I would assume asg would adopt the same format. asg already has one? | 02:06 |
| asalkeld | there is a spec | 02:07 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110379/ | 02:07 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: yes, that is what I'm trying to reconcile with shardy's change | 02:07 |
| Qiming | just added Bill to the review, solve the conflict as early as possible | 02:08 |
| asalkeld | i think from a user perspective it's important that they look the same | 02:08 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: if we can agree on the property schema now we can implement name_list now, and the other remove policies later | 02:08 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: without breaking the property api | 02:09 |
| Qiming | from program/script's perspective, maybe id as well? | 02:09 |
| stevebaker | Qiming: yes, id would be useful too | 02:09 |
| stevebaker | but tuskar have an immediate need for name only currently | 02:09 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, yeah we need buy in from both "camps" | 02:10 |
| stevebaker | I commented on patch set 2 of the spec but it appears to have had no influence on the spec | 02:11 |
| asalkeld | s/remove_policy/removal_policy | 02:11 |
| stevebaker | policies | 02:11 |
| asalkeld | yip | 02:11 |
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| stevebaker | asalkeld, Qiming: I've commented in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110379/4/specs/scale-down-plug-point.rst | 02:20 |
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| asalkeld | stevebaker, don't see your comment | 02:23 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld, Qiming, shardy: _now_ I've commented in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/110379/4/specs/scale-down-plug-point.rst | 02:24 |
| asalkeld | :) | 02:24 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, i quite like that, tho' _resource or _server or _instance to me are redundant | 02:25 |
| asalkeld | mmm, actually they are not | 02:26 |
| asalkeld | you can have newest_lauchconfig | 02:26 |
| stevebaker | yeek | 02:26 |
| asalkeld | you can have newest_template? | 02:26 |
| stevebaker | maybe | 02:26 |
| asalkeld | anyways, i like the name/id list | 02:27 |
| asalkeld | better than hints | 02:27 |
| stevebaker | or we can just have "oldest", "newest" at first | 02:27 |
| Qiming | stevebaker, +1 to your comments | 02:28 |
| asalkeld | potentially you could even have a url to get the resource | 02:28 |
| stevebaker | lets accumulate some opinions there and make sure shardy's review has the results | 02:29 |
| tiantian | asalkeld, stevebaker : hi, I want to ask something about the autoscaling:) | 02:30 |
| asalkeld | hi tiantian | 02:30 |
| tiantian | now we use create/terminate to implement the autoscaling. And one of our custom wants to specify the action of scaleup/scaledown, | 02:30 |
| tiantian | such as create/terminate, resume/suspend, start/stop, there is one benifit to speed up | 02:30 |
| tiantian | what do you think about this? | 02:30 |
| Qiming | tiantian, I like your idea | 02:31 |
| Qiming | are you planning to write this down as a specs/bp? | 02:32 |
| tiantian | plan | 02:32 |
| asalkeld | tiantian, yeah we thought of this for an image building "farm" | 02:32 |
| asalkeld | where you pre create a number of servers | 02:32 |
| asalkeld | then suspend them | 02:32 |
| asalkeld | the scale for a once off job by resuming | 02:33 |
| asalkeld | it will complicate the autoscaling | 02:33 |
| asalkeld | more and more this autoscaling stuff needs to head to a new repo | 02:34 |
| asalkeld | pity that task didn't go anywhere | 02:34 |
| Qiming | one openstack solution vendor (cannot recall the name) claimed that they can do scaling in/out in less than 5 seconds | 02:34 |
| stevebaker | asalkeld: isn't Qiming doing the cleanup which would make that easier? | 02:34 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, not sure | 02:34 |
| asalkeld | (that it would make that easier) | 02:35 |
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| asalkeld | or just scale containers | 02:36 |
| asalkeld | less than a second | 02:36 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, you would need two levels of scaling, the creation/deletion (they need to be ready ahead of time) then the activation stage (suspend/resume) | 02:37 |
| asalkeld | multiple alarms to deal with what is going on | 02:38 |
| tiantian | asalkeld: you mean to pre_create some instances? | 02:39 |
| asalkeld | yes | 02:39 |
| tiantian | When? | 02:40 |
| Qiming | yes, asalkeld, agree | 02:40 |
| asalkeld | well you define a "farm" of servers (say 2 more than are active) | 02:40 |
| Qiming | then scaling operation is not a stack-update, cool | 02:40 |
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| asalkeld | then when that reaches only one left empty you add a new server | 02:41 |
| asalkeld | the upper scaler is what the user interacts with | 02:41 |
| asalkeld | so it scales on what ever | 02:41 |
| Qiming | stack-update will still be needed, but not for every scaling up/down | 02:41 |
| asalkeld | the upper level just does suspend/resume | 02:42 |
| asalkeld | i think with convergence that would be an update | 02:42 |
| Qiming | if the user wants to change the size of the pool, he/she will do a stack-update | 02:42 |
| asalkeld | there is a spec for updating to non-active state | 02:42 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, maybe - but you could scale that | 02:43 |
| asalkeld | (autoscale) | 02:43 |
| Qiming | yes | 02:43 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, tiantian https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111235/ | 02:43 |
| asalkeld | re: per / resource state changes | 02:44 |
| Qiming | asalkeld, reading... | 02:45 |
| asalkeld | tiantian, put that idea on the summit sessions | 02:45 |
| asalkeld | maybe we need some slots for autoscaling | 02:46 |
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| Qiming | asalkeld, I don't like the server state assertion proposal | 02:48 |
| asalkeld | why? | 02:48 |
| Qiming | I'm gonna forward you a POC how things can be done without massive changes to Heat | 02:48 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, cool | 02:49 |
| asalkeld | what "things" | 02:49 |
| Qiming | it was a prototype, most logics are not complete, but you can get a rough idea of the whole picture | 02:49 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, poc for what? | 02:49 |
| Qiming | by things, I mean VM lifecycle events detection and notification | 02:49 |
| asalkeld | ok | 02:50 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, btw that summit session needs more info | 02:50 |
| Qiming | sending to your mirantis id | 02:50 |
| asalkeld | it's just a one-liner atm | 02:50 |
| asalkeld | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-heat-summit-topics line 62 | 02:51 |
| Qiming | either Heat subscribe to the queue directly, listen to 'nova' 'notifications', or it can delegate this to ceilometer which has already done that | 02:53 |
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| asalkeld | haven't got anything yet | 02:54 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, does this relate to convergence, or unrelated | 02:55 |
| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add unicode support for resource name https://review.openstack.org/128157 | 02:56 |
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| asalkeld | Qiming, tiantian would you be able to come to the midcycle meetup? | 03:05 |
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| Qiming | asalkeld, I don't think so | 03:14 |
| tiantian | when and where? | 03:14 |
| asalkeld | ok, that's too bad | 03:14 |
| asalkeld | tiantian, not decided yet | 03:14 |
| zhiwei | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/pluginguide.html#handle_update | 03:15 |
| zhiwei | where will this handle_update method be called? | 03:15 |
| tiantian | I am afraid not | 03:15 |
| asalkeld | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/heat-juno-midcycle-meetup | 03:15 |
| Qiming | travel budget contol, :P | 03:15 |
| asalkeld | not sure what would be closest for you | 03:15 |
| zhiwei | When I update stack with this type of resource, this method was not called. | 03:15 |
| asalkeld | zhiwei, so your own custom resource | 03:16 |
| zhiwei | yes | 03:16 |
| asalkeld | and you are on master | 03:16 |
| asalkeld | and you have changed the properties | 03:16 |
| zhiwei | yes | 03:16 |
| zhiwei | the validate method be called, but not the handle_update. | 03:17 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resource.py#L687-L693 | 03:18 |
| asalkeld | strange as there is nothing returning between the resource's validate and handle_update | 03:18 |
| asalkeld | unless something is causing an exception | 03:19 |
| asalkeld | zhiwei, have you changed a property that is not updatable? | 03:20 |
| asalkeld | that will cause a delete/create | 03:20 |
| zhiwei | no | 03:21 |
| asalkeld | so this https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resource.py#L800 might be throwing an UpdateReplace | 03:21 |
| asalkeld | so you have set something like this: https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/engine/resources/autoscaling.py#L121 | 03:22 |
| asalkeld | update_allowed=True on the property | 03:22 |
| asalkeld | zhiwei, that's all i can think of right now | 03:23 |
| asalkeld | without seeing your code/templates | 03:23 |
| asalkeld | logs etc.. | 03:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: docs: update jeos_building instructions https://review.openstack.org/123930 | 03:37 |
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| asalkeld | Qiming, how does your vmcluster relate to mike's ha autoscaling thing | 03:55 |
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| Qiming | asalkeld, currently, no relation so far. | 04:55 |
| Qiming | I started from pure VM HA perspective, and he started from autoscaling groups | 04:56 |
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| asalkeld | ok | 05:20 |
| asalkeld | Qiming, is it worth integrating those 2 ideas? | 05:21 |
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| asalkeld | or do you see them as solving very different problems | 05:21 |
| Qiming | asalkeld, I think so, I talked to Mike about this quite some time ago | 05:21 |
| asalkeld | they seem very similar in use case | 05:22 |
| Qiming | yes, I agree | 05:22 |
| asalkeld | but you even have fencing which is nice | 05:22 |
| asalkeld | but i prefer the use of ceilometer | 05:22 |
| Qiming | fencing is some technology from IBM Haifa Research Lab | 05:22 |
| asalkeld | well we could have hooks to the many linux ha fencing agents | 05:23 |
| asalkeld | would need some special setup | 05:23 |
| Qiming | I think our colleagues have submitted some patches to nova, cinder and neutron, for fencing compute, storage and network, respectively | 05:26 |
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| skraynev | Good, but rainy day today ;) | 06:28 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: hello ;) | 06:29 |
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| pas-ha | morning all | 06:45 |
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| skraynev | hey pas-ha | 06:48 |
| skraynev | zaneb: here? | 06:48 |
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| asalkeld | hi skraynev pas-ha | 07:28 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/128188 | 07:43 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Inherit roles for create_trust_context() https://review.openstack.org/128509 | 07:44 |
| tiantian | shardy: around? | 07:52 |
| tiantian | shardy: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128509/ any suggestion is welcome | 07:52 |
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| zsl | can anyone have a look at this bug:https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1381834? | 08:21 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1381834 in heat "More instances will be created when reupdate the stack twice after stack update failed the first time" [Undecided,New] | 08:21 |
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| zsl | Create a stack with desired capacity=7 | 08:22 |
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| zsl | Then update the template desired capacity to 11 and update the stack | 08:23 |
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| zsl | desired_capacity=11 which exceed the user qutoa=10. | 08:24 |
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| zsl | So i deleted 5 instances and change the template and modify the desired_capacity to 7 and reupdate the stack. | 08:25 |
| zsl | Heat create 10 instances for me | 08:25 |
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| zsl | I think there is bug in heat. Could anyone have a look at the bug 1381834 | 08:26 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1381834 in heat "More instances will be created when reupdate the stack twice after stack update failed the first time" [Undecided,New] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1381834 | 08:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | Visnusaran Murugan proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move parameters from stack to raw_template https://review.openstack.org/128852 | 08:46 |
| shardy | zsl: That may be a bug, but you should not delete servers managed by heat direct from nova like that | 08:52 |
| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Unit tests: remove dead code from Neutron Autoscaling test https://review.openstack.org/128728 | 08:52 |
| shardy | heat won't detect that they are deleted, so you will get unexpected results | 08:52 |
| shardy | that said, I'd expect you to get less than desired capacity, not more | 08:53 |
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| zsl | shardy: but i get more instances | 08:53 |
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| gooblja | Hello everybody :) I have some problems with Heat notifications... i am using qpid mq... i have heat version 2014.1.2.... in my heat config : http://paste.openstack.org/show/121418/ and it seams that heat dosen't send notifications to notifications.info queue. mybe i am missing something? | 08:57 |
| zsl | shardy: Thanks. | 08:57 |
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| shardy | zsl: looking at your bug, it may be the same as bug #1377681 | 08:58 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1377681 in heat "stack update action doesn't take effect" [High,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1377681 | 08:58 |
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| shardy | zsl: can you confirm you're using a heat containing those fixes? | 08:59 |
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| zsl | shardy: Let me see | 09:03 |
| zsl | shardy: I have the fixes in my environment | 09:04 |
| shardy | zsl: Ok, thanks, let me see if I can reproduce your issue | 09:05 |
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| zsl | shardy: I think we should not boot more instances for this case. | 09:05 |
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| zsl | shardy: I tired some case, only when update stack to exceed the quota. Then re-update the stack will produce this bug. | 09:08 |
| zsl | shardy: If the former update succeed , re-update is OK. | 09:08 |
| shardy | zsl: Ok, thanks, it sounds like we're not storing the ID's of those we do create before the quota limit is hit | 09:09 |
| shardy | if you delete the stack, are some instances left behind? | 09:09 |
| zsl | shardy: Let me try | 09:10 |
| zsl | shardy: I restarted my heat-engine, all instances disappeared and the stack in UPDATE_IN_PROCESS. I may need some time to reproduce and try to delete. | 09:15 |
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| tiantian | shardy,zsl: I want to reproduce it, but there is something wrong happened in step update desired_capacity from 7->11, see http://paste.openstack.org/show/121429/ | 09:24 |
| tiantian | I don't know why this happen, I'm trying... | 09:24 |
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| shardy | tiantian: Hey, thanks for updating 128509 - it will be good to fix two bugs with one patch :) | 09:26 |
| shardy | possibly we should backport the same fix to Juno, but without changing the config default | 09:27 |
| tiantian | yeah, I agree | 09:28 |
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| tiantian | I will do it after the patch is merged | 09:28 |
| tiantian | the pep8 job failed:( | 09:29 |
| shardy | It doesn't like your conf.sample - did you use generate_sample.sh? | 09:30 |
| shardy | Or you can use tox -e genconfig now | 09:30 |
| zsl | tiantian: Not sure why your update failed. May be you can check nova show instance. | 09:34 |
| tiantian | zsl: the instances are active in nova | 09:34 |
| zsl | shardy: After i delete the stack. All nova instances gone. | 09:35 |
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| zsl | shardy: Also notice that when i debug the heat\heat\engine\resources\autoscaling.py::handle_update, update to 8, code even not run to autoscaling.py::handle_update. | 09:37 |
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| zsl | tiantian: sorry, not familiar with heat. Not sure what happened. | 09:40 |
| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Inherit roles for create_trust_context() https://review.openstack.org/128509 | 09:42 |
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| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed a change to openstack/heat: Convert value type in alarm matching_metadata https://review.openstack.org/128861 | 09:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Peter Razumovsky proposed a change to openstack/heat: Convert value type in alarm matching_metadata https://review.openstack.org/128861 | 09:50 |
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| leong | any idea how i could use Heat template to allocate multiple floating ip to the pool. (e.g. allocate N floating IP using heat template, where N can be specified in heat paramter) | 10:19 |
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| shardy | leong: ResourceGroup will probably do what you need | 10:24 |
| shardy | http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/2014/09/using-heat-resourcegroup-resources.html | 10:24 |
| leong | thanks Shardy! that's exactly what I need :-) | 10:25 |
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| leong | for ResourceGroup, if the count is dynamic, how can I output the value of each item. e.g. get_attr: [floating_ip_group, resource.0.floating_ip_address], but the resource.N is dynamic | 10:52 |
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| Putns | is there a way for a resource plugin to get the stack ID, apart from making a property for that and assigning OS::stack_id to that? | 10:54 |
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| shardy | Putns: just reference self.stack.id :) | 10:56 |
| Putns | oh | 10:56 |
| Putns | there is such | 10:56 |
| Putns | great, thanks | 10:56 |
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| shardy | leong: I think removing the index gives you a list, does that help? | 11:03 |
| leong | hardy.. it throws me error: ERROR: The Referenced Attribute (floating_ip_group resource.floating_ip_address) is incorrect | 11:04 |
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| leong | hardy .. i got it works! get_attr: [floating_ip_group, floating_ip_address] | 11:06 |
| leong | thanks!!! | 11:06 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat-templates: Add ResourceGroup attribute example for all values https://review.openstack.org/128884 | 11:08 |
| shardy | leong: ^^ example | 11:08 |
| shardy | ah, you've sorted it, good :) | 11:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Merge tag '2014.2' https://review.openstack.org/128908 | 12:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed a change to openstack/heat: Hard delete backup stack after successful update. https://review.openstack.org/128918 | 13:21 |
| zaneb | we have a Juno release! | 13:21 |
| shadower | \o/ | 13:21 |
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| ryansb | \o/ | 13:23 |
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| pas-ha | \o/ | 13:42 |
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| pas-ha | zaneb, I think this is for you to merge :) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/128908/ | 13:42 |
| zaneb | what the hell is that? | 13:44 |
| pas-ha | don't know, looks like adding a release tag. no? | 13:45 |
| ryansb | why does tagging require a bunch of merges? | 13:46 |
| zaneb | it looks like it's trying to merge stuff from Juno back into master | 13:46 |
| zaneb | I can't understand when that would be a good idea | 13:47 |
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| ryansb | yeeeaah. I can already see the tag in gerrit | 13:48 |
| skraynev | Yahho!!! go to the party correspond Juno release. | 13:48 |
| ryansb | (just fetched it) | 13:48 |
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| zaneb | ok, so there's a script that merges Juno back to master | 13:54 |
| zaneb | and if you look carefully, it has resolved all the conflicts in favour of master | 13:54 |
| zaneb | so it actually doesn't change anything | 13:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Merge tag '2014.2' https://review.openstack.org/128908 | 15:07 |
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| skraynev | g'night guys:) | 16:01 |
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| elynn_ | good night skraynev :) | 16:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: ResourceGroup update refactor https://review.openstack.org/128364 | 16:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: ResourceGroup add remove_policies property https://review.openstack.org/128365 | 16:13 |
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| zaneb | damn poodles | 16:19 |
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| pas-ha | zaneb, lol | 16:26 |
| pas-ha | cats rule :) | 16:27 |
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| ryansb | I feel like "let's give a silly name to every major security vulnerability" improves awareness, but man is it annoying. | 16:34 |
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| ryansb | zaneb: can you point me to the right place to figure out if an update is destructive or not? So far the best I've been able to come up with is to iterate over the properties of the old+new stacks and compare | 17:11 |
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| ryansb | (checking if update_allowed=True) | 17:14 |
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| pas-ha | ryansb, I think it is a quite creative task | 17:19 |
| pas-ha | update_allowed=False will definitely cause UpdateReplace, but some places raise it inside handle_update.. | 17:20 |
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| ryansb | yeah, I saw that in the nova server resource | 17:21 |
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| pas-ha | also you might need to parse dependency graph, since a update_allowed=False property might take an another resource's attribute that might change during update as well | 17:22 |
| pas-ha | what you can be sure - if property is immutable=True - it will never be destroyed :) the stack update will simply fail when trying to modify it | 17:23 |
| pas-ha | but we have it for now only for some AWS-compatible resources | 17:24 |
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| ryansb | thanks pas-ha, that definitely gives me something to work with | 17:27 |
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| zaneb | ryansb: Resource._needs_update() should do most of the heavy lifting for you | 17:44 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Remove vim headers https://review.openstack.org/128943 | 18:31 |
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| jdandrea | Reality check Q: For OS::Ceilometer::Alarm, does it filter (query) based upon the resource_id value within the sample? | 18:37 |
| * jdandrea is looking at code and isn't finding it, so perhaps not | 18:37 | |
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| zaneb | jdandrea: I think there was a discussion here the other day that established that it didn't, but don't quote me or anything | 18:38 |
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| jdandrea | zaneb: I won't. ;) | 18:38 |
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| jdandrea | zaneb: I ask because I'm creating samples from a Server once per minute (a heartbeat of sorts). I see it in Ceilometer, but the alarm doesn't fire. | 18:38 |
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| jdandrea | zaneb: ... and based on yesterday's chat, I know that a Server doesn't know its resource ID (at least not at cloud-init time). | 18:39 |
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| jdandrea | (or at least I can't pass it in to cloud-init) | 18:39 |
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| jdandrea | zaneb: If Heat *does* expect resource_id to match, then I have a chicken-egg problem. | 18:40 |
| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: ResourceGroup add remove_policies property https://review.openstack.org/128365 | 18:40 |
| zaneb | jdandrea: I know nothing, sorry | 18:41 |
| jdandrea | zaneb: np | 18:41 |
| pas-ha | g'night all | 18:42 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: I thought we established you could use the nova metadata instance-id, if you're sending heartbeat data from inside the instance? | 18:43 |
| shardy | that is the same as the Instance resource_id | 18:43 |
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| jdandrea | shardy: We can (and I do), but it's not working, so I thought about it again ... and that instance-id does *not* look like a typical UUID. It's much shorter, like 0-0000140. | 18:43 |
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| shardy | jdandrea: Oh, hmm, that's not helpful :( | 18:44 |
| jdandrea | I went rummaging around in there and ... yeah, I didn't find it. :( | 18:44 |
| shardy | jdandrea: are you using SoftwareConfig resources by any chance? | 18:45 |
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| shardy | SoftwareDeployment resources are created after the server, so you'd be free to reference the server ID in the inputs to that | 18:46 |
| shardy | It's too much effort unless you're already using them tho.. | 18:46 |
| jdandrea | shardy: Not yet. I want to, but this project I'm working on is on Icehouse, so I'm blocked by a nested template update issue. | 18:46 |
| jdandrea | I have a SoftwareConfig version waiting in the wings though! | 18:46 |
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| jdandrea | shardy: I seem to recall from the Atlanta summit that there are env variables available in the SoftwareConfig case (was looking for the doc for that). | 18:47 |
| jdandrea | But maybe (still) not the resource id. | 18:47 |
| shardy | jdandrea: you can pass in whatever inputs you like, which could include the server resource ID | 18:48 |
| * jdandrea is really looking forward to using SoftwareConfig/Deployment. | 18:48 | |
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| jdandrea | shardy: Ah! Yes, of course. At that point the config is a separate bona fide resource, so it can get the server resource id easily that way, mhm. | 18:49 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/software-config/example-templates/wordpress/WordPress_software-config_1-instance.yaml#L98 | 18:49 |
| jdandrea | So much nicer. | 18:49 |
| shardy | You already pass the server_id in, so there's no reason why you can't also have a server_id input in input_values | 18:50 |
| jdandrea | Alas, for now ... I have this. | 18:50 |
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| jdandrea | shardy: That's for SoftwareConfig. I get/appreciate that. Meanwhile, I appear stuck for the cloud-init user_data case. | 18:50 |
| shardy | There must be some other uniquely identifying data availably via both the nova metadata and server attributes | 18:50 |
| shardy | Or you could drop some unique token in via OS::Heat::RandomString into the server metadata: property | 18:51 |
| shardy | (hack alert!) ;) | 18:51 |
| jdandrea | shardy: Interesting thought! | 18:51 |
| jdandrea | HA! Yes. | 18:51 |
| shardy | Just thinking out loud, will ponder some more, gotta go for dinner now | 18:52 |
| jdandrea | I mean, if resource_id (in Ceilometer) can be "any string" then that would help. But ... if Heat is expecting resource_id in the sample to MATCH the server resource id ... | 18:52 |
| jdandrea | Ok. Thanks! | 18:52 |
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| shardy | I think you can define whatever query you want when defining the alarm, but I could be wrong | 18:52 |
| * jdandrea notices that the Ceilometer alarm has no notion of the server resource, so it very likely should *not* care. | 18:53 | |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/hot/autoscaling.yaml#L122 | 18:53 |
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| shardy | you could replace the get_param: OS::stack_id with get_param: somerandomstringresource | 18:53 |
| shardy | or at least I think you could - asalkeld is probably the one to ask when he wakes up ;) | 18:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Adrien Vergé proposed a change to openstack/heat: Support Cinder scheduler hints https://review.openstack.org/126298 | 19:02 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Ensure all Neutron LoadBalancer members are deleted https://review.openstack.org/128729 | 19:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: ResourceGroup add remove_id to remove_policies https://review.openstack.org/129035 | 20:07 |
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| stevebaker | morning | 20:09 |
| shardy | stevebaker: hey | 20:11 |
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| shardy | stevebaker: FYI I went in a few circles today re the remove_properties but ended up implementing what you asked for, once I got my head around the scary three-level nesting of schema which was required ;) | 20:12 |
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| shardy | Also posted a WIP remove-by-id patch | 20:12 |
| stevebaker | shardy: lol, thanks. Its looking good | 20:14 |
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| stevebaker | shardy: reviewed | 20:19 |
| shardy | stevebaker: thanks, finishing now but I'll address your comment in the morning, sounds like we're getting there | 20:22 |
| stevebaker | yep | 20:23 |
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| asalkeld | morning | 22:37 |
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| asalkeld | https://ask.openstack.org/en/question/50858/heat-authentication-failure-in-devstack/ | 23:24 |
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| asalkeld | bbl doctor's | 23:29 |
| stevebaker | ok | 23:30 |
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