Wednesday, 2014-10-29

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openstackgerrit	Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Update docs to reflect HOT version support. https://review.openstack.org/131159	01:27
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Qiming	stevebaker, two minutes?	01:35
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stevebaker	Qiming: hi	02:19
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Qiming	stevebaker, two questions, one of which is solved	02:20
Qiming	just noticed some patches on removing 'instance_user', that was something I was about to work on	02:21
Qiming	I'm glad someone else has taken over	02:21
Qiming	another question is about test case	02:21
stevebaker	Qiming: did you see my comment on the tempest changes required? without doing that we would need a flag day to switch over	02:22
Qiming	do you have a pointer teaching me how to mock a method labeled with '@classmethod'?	02:22
Qiming	stevebaker, I saw that	02:22
stevebaker	Qiming: you could just do ClassName.methodname = mock.Mock()	02:23
Qiming	that is all?	02:23
stevebaker	pretty much	02:23
Qiming	ah, I'm glad I asked, thanks!	02:23
stevebaker	I'm sure shardy wouldn't mind if you took over the instance_user change, especially the related tempest changes	02:24
asalkeld	stevebaker, re: software-config-swift-signal	02:24
asalkeld	would that be hardcoded in the template?	02:24
Qiming	okay	02:24
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asalkeld	stevebaker, from my comment in the spec "this would not make the template very portable if the user has to hardcode this in their template. Would it at all be possible for heat to figure out the best approach?"	02:25
stevebaker	asalkeld: it just adds an option to the signal_transport property	02:25
asalkeld	stevebaker, couldn't we just do the right thing?	02:26
asalkeld	so if i grab a template and move clouds where there is no zaqar	02:26
asalkeld	i have to edit the template	02:26
asalkeld	(which is sucky)	02:26
stevebaker	asalkeld: sure, there could be a later blueprint which adds an AUTO option which checks for zaqar, then swift, then enabled heat-api-cfn, then heat-api.	02:27
stevebaker	asalkeld: in the meantime you could just make it a template property	02:27
asalkeld	er, how about just have no option	02:27
stevebaker	i mean a template parameter	02:27
asalkeld	(no property)	02:27
asalkeld	it is only auto	02:28
asalkeld	as a user why do i care	02:28
asalkeld	it must just work	02:28
asalkeld	IMHO	02:28
stevebaker	asalkeld: because there are real tradeoffs that the user might want to influence (unauthenticated secret webhook vs authenticated message vs authenticated heat api call)	02:28
asalkeld	mmmm, i think this should be default AUTO	02:29
stevebaker	asalkeld: also, what is installed on the server image, they might hard-code to one method	02:29
stevebaker	asalkeld: absolutely, default AUTO when it exists	02:29
asalkeld	can you add it from the start?	02:29
asalkeld	i'd like to reduce the usability issues before there are new ones	02:30
stevebaker	that could cause more unexpected breakages than it solves. As soon as AUTO is the default and TEMP_URL exists, an image which hasn't been rebuilt with the new swift enabled hook will break.	02:31
stevebaker	asalkeld: maybe after a suitable period with a deprecation warning the default could switch to AUTO	02:32
asalkeld	stevebaker, can't we require glance tags?	02:32
asalkeld	so feature tags that say what the image supports	02:33
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asalkeld	maybe go to the extent of failing the create/update if those do not exist	02:33
asalkeld	this needs to be discoverable	02:34
stevebaker	sure, a bit of work is required for that	02:34
asalkeld	just tweak the image building instructions	02:34
asalkeld	and in your validate do a glance metadata get	02:35
asalkeld	stevebaker, you did say somewhere that we could install the agent in the userdata	02:35
asalkeld	is that real?	02:35
stevebaker	yep https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119282/	02:36
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asalkeld	seems like we are heading for and uber big server resources that sets up networking and installs the guest tooling	02:41
asalkeld	maybe just call it OS::Heat::Server	02:41
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stevebaker	asalkeld: yeah, it would need something like your __id__ template resource property though	02:55
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asalkeld	yeah	02:56
openstackgerrit	A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Allow mock-based patching in shell tests https://review.openstack.org/131190	03:00
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openstackgerrit	A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Fix shell tests for Python 3.4 https://review.openstack.org/131191	03:07
openstackgerrit	A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Fix event tests for Python 3.4 https://review.openstack.org/131192	03:08
openstackgerrit	A change was merged to openstack/python-heatclient: Fix template_utils tests for Python 3.4 https://review.openstack.org/131193	03:08
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elynn	Hi all :)	05:14
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elynn	Anybody knows why heat-keystone-setup-domain using keystone v3 instead of v2?	05:26
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morganfainberg	elynn, because domains don't exist in keystone v2.0	05:26
elynn	ok...	05:27
elynn	Do you know how to use --insecure or os-cert option in keystone v3?	05:27
morganfainberg	elynn, those are client-specific options	05:28
morganfainberg	--insecure should only mean don't check the server cert validity (if SSL is ued)	05:28
openstackgerrit	Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move creation of custom env into enironment module https://review.openstack.org/131638	05:28
elynn	It seems v3 doesn't support insecure or cacert as client parameters	05:28
morganfainberg	let me check what os-cert means	05:28
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morganfainberg	os-cacert?	05:29
morganfainberg	is this with heatclient or keystoneclient?	05:29
elynn	--os_cacert	05:29
elynn	with keystoneclient	05:29
morganfainberg	--os_cacert i think isn't the right option	05:29
morganfainberg	--os-cacert should be.	05:30
elynn	--os_key --os_cert	05:30
morganfainberg	underscores aren't the CLI options iirc	05:30
morganfainberg	OS_CACERT would be the env variable	05:30
morganfainberg	sec	05:30
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elynn	https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/v3/client.py#L45	05:30
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morganfainberg	those are options for the HTTPClient object	05:31
elynn	It seems keystoneclient doesn't accept insecure or cacert	05:31
morganfainberg	those are not cli options	05:31
morganfainberg	you linked to	05:31
asalkeld	Qiming, i think that function name needs to change	05:32
asalkeld	get_custom_environment	05:32
morganfainberg	elynn, the cli options are registered from https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/session.py#L660-L690	05:32
Qiming	asalkeld, suggestions?	05:32
asalkeld	Qiming, """Build a sensible environment for the nested stack.	05:32
morganfainberg	elynn, what version of keystoneclient are you using?	05:33
asalkeld	Qiming, build_nested_resource_environment	05:33
asalkeld	or something shorter	05:33
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elynn	I'm using keystoneclient 0.11.0	05:33
morganfainberg	ok	05:33
morganfainberg	and what does the command line look like that is trying to be invoked? (you can omit passwords etc)	05:34
Qiming	asalkeld, it seems to me more like just a function that can be used for nested stacks, but may be there could be other usages?	05:34
Qiming	I can fix the comment to avoid confusion	05:34
asalkeld	Qiming, afaik it's just for nested stacks	05:34
elynn	morganfainberg: How to use session with client v3?	05:35
morganfainberg	elynn, the session object is used by keystoneclient	05:35
elynn	In https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/bin/heat-keystone-setup-domain	05:35
asalkeld	Qiming, maybe: get_nested_stack_environment	05:35
morganfainberg	oh i see	05:35
elynn	above file seems only using client v3 , not using session()	05:36
Qiming	if it is only for nested stack, then we may just leave it in stack_resource.py ?	05:36
asalkeld	Qiming, I am ok with that, tho' I have thought once or twice about moving it	05:37
asalkeld	Qiming, do you need to move it?	05:37
asalkeld	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131337/1/heat/engine/stack_resource.py	05:37
asalkeld	i have that ^	05:37
Qiming	asalkeld, it is about this https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53313/23/heat/engine/resources/remote_stack.py	05:37
asalkeld	Qiming, ok yeah you might need it there	05:38
morganfainberg	elynn, that looks like it needs to be updated to support the session object	05:38
Qiming	a suggestion from zaneb, which I agree to	05:38
asalkeld	Qiming, but we need to figure out the behaviour we want there	05:38
elynn	morganfainberg: Is there any example for how to using session in keystoneclient?	05:39
asalkeld	Qiming, one question is why "PARAMETERS: properties.Schema(" and not environment	05:39
morganfainberg	elynn, this is jamielennox's patch that converts cinderclient over to using the session object: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/131098/	05:40
asalkeld	Qiming, i am not sure of that myself tho'	05:40
morganfainberg	erm	05:40
morganfainberg	wait	05:40
morganfainberg	no	05:40
Qiming	asalkeld, right, need a second thought on that	05:40
morganfainberg	elynn, that converts nova over to use cinderclient with a session object	05:40
morganfainberg	elynn, http://www.jamielennox.net/blog/2014/09/15/how-to-use-keystoneclient-sessions/ this is a good primer on how to use sessions	05:41
asalkeld	Qiming, great job taking that patch up	05:41
asalkeld	really needs doing	05:41
morganfainberg	elynn, there needs to be better/more documentation on this.	05:41
Qiming	asalkeld, if it is not treated as a nested stack, either 'properties' or 'parameters' would be okay for me	05:41
elynn	Thanks morganfainberg : D, I will have a look at it.	05:42
* morganfainberg apologizes on behalf of Keystone		05:42
morganfainberg	elynn, i mostly work on Keystone so less familiar with specifics in heat	05:42
asalkeld	Qiming, so let's assume it's a stand alone resource (i think that is right)	05:43
elynn	morganfainberg, Great! I will reach you if I have any questions about keystone ha!	05:43
Qiming	asalkeld, since it is a regular resource, calling that as 'properties' would make sense	05:43
morganfainberg	elynn, FYI you can also ask in #openstack-keystone	05:43
asalkeld	basically this is a heat::stack resource as so should look like our api	05:43
asalkeld	Qiming, not really	05:43
Qiming	however, the resource is named 'remote_stack', so users won't be confused if it is called 'parameters'	05:43
asalkeld	Qiming, our api says parameters and environment	05:44
morganfainberg	elynn, also we're all hopping on planes to head to the Paris summit in the next couple days, might get really quiet in IRC for a week or so while we work on lineing up the Kilo development cycle	05:44
Qiming	asalkeld, I see	05:44
elynn	morganfainberg, Have a nice trip on Paris :D	05:44
morganfainberg	elynn, I sure will :)	05:44
asalkeld	Qiming, it's our version of : http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/cfn.html#AWS::CloudFormation::Stack	05:45
Qiming	okay, so your previous question is about why we are not allowing environment to be specified?	05:46
asalkeld	Qiming, maybe it should match this: https://github.com/openstack/python-heatclient/blob/master/heatclient/v1/shell.py#L101-L107	05:46
asalkeld	with the timeout_mins	05:47
Qiming	asalkeld, remote_stack.py line 126-135	05:47
asalkeld	yip, so the question is "to what extent do we provide those options to the user"	05:49
Qiming	IMO the API call is consistent, though the current code silently provides a derived env based on the stack	05:49
asalkeld	also the "files"	05:49
asalkeld	Qiming, anything you can do is an improvement	05:50
Qiming	asalkeld, I agree those are all possible requirements	05:50
asalkeld	Qiming, we can chat about some more at summit too	05:50
asalkeld	Qiming, you going to be there?	05:50
Qiming	sure.	05:50
asalkeld	cool	05:50
Qiming	yes, presenting on behalf of our customer, :)	05:51
Qiming	asalkeld, and I have a demo about VM HA and cross-region scaling	05:51
asalkeld	ooo, nice	05:52
openstackgerrit	Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move creation of custom env into enironment module https://review.openstack.org/131638	05:55
openstackgerrit	OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed a change to openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/131643	06:01
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skraynev	good morning guys	06:22
openstackgerrit	Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Update docs to reflect HOT version support. https://review.openstack.org/131159	06:23
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arun_	How to specify network(neutron) in heat template in havana ?	06:49
arun_	- uuid doesnt work	06:50
asalkeld	arun_, i'd suggest looking for examples here: https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/tree/master/hot	06:50
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arun_	thank you asalkad....I am looking into it	06:51
asalkeld	np	06:53
asalkeld	hi skraynev	06:53
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openstackgerrit	Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adds multi-region support for stack resource https://review.openstack.org/53313	08:07
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Qiming	asalkeld, submitted a patch to remote-stack for review, though I have not got a email notification on it: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/53313/24	08:27
asalkeld	Qiming, nice i'll check it out	08:28
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asalkeld	Qiming, Co-Authored-By: name <name@example.com	08:29
asalkeld	put both you and Bartosz under that	08:29
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pfreund_	Hi, I would like to create in a hot template the equivalent of "create IAM user who can only write and read in a specific bucket". Is it possible to do that ?	08:35
pfreund_	it's already done for the container of course	08:36
pfreund_	but I don't know how to create the user and policy	08:36
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jamielennox	elynn: if you're still here: http://www.jamielennox.net/blog/2014/09/15/how-to-use-keystoneclient-sessions/ is probably best current doc	08:50
elynn	aha! than you jamielennox :D	08:51
jamielennox	elynn: it's by no means a complete doc and we need to write some more but it will hopefully get you started	08:51
elynn	I'm trying to add cert support in heat-keystone-setup-domain which use keystoneclient v3 instead of v2, now I think I find some way to do it.	08:52
elynn	Your blog helps me a lot !	08:52
jamielennox	oh - morganfainberg linked you to that earlier, i didn't make it that far through the conversation	08:52
jamielennox	elynn: anything particular you want some help with?	08:53
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elynn	jamielennox: I see that there are two options in session.py one is "verify" and the other is "insecure"	08:54
elynn	What's the difference between them?	08:54
jamielennox	so Session.__init__ only takes verify and it uses verify in the same way that requests does	08:55
jamielennox	False is insecure, True is use system CA, a string is a path to a ca cert	08:55
jamielennox	that is unfortunately not something we can represent very well in a config file or CLI line	08:56
jamielennox	so if you look at https://github.com/openstack/python-keystoneclient/blob/master/keystoneclient/session.py#L475	08:56
jamielennox	anything that loads from CLI or CONF lets you set insecure= cacert= etc and then it converts it into the verify= param to pass to __init__	08:57
jamielennox	so if you are writing an application you should just use verify (it overrides the others), if you are loading from a CLI or are porting something that already takes cacert, insecure etc then you should just pass those options through and let Session pick the right one	08:58
elynn	jamielennox, Now I get it!	08:59
shardy	morning all	09:00
elynn	morning shardy :)	09:00
shardy	elynn: Is there some reason you can't just use python-openstackclient?	09:01
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shardy	elynn: heat-keystone-setup-domain was only ever supposed to be a temporary thing, because tripleo didn't have openstackclient in their images yet	09:02
shardy	AFAIK everyone should be moving to openstackclient instead of using it, so FWIW, I'd rather see the effort go into making openstackclient do what you need	09:02
elynn	shardy: No, just that we have heat-keystone-setup-domain and it's convenient to use it.	09:03
shardy	elynn: Hmm, OK - perhaps we should consider replacing it with a shell script which wraps openstackclient at some point then	09:04
shardy	elynn: If you want to enhance it, that's fine, I just wanted to point out that, long term, that effort may be misplaced	09:04
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elynn	cookbook from chef using this tool to setup heat domain user. But it can support cert file as parameter in our environment.	09:07
elynn	so I consider enhance it a little	09:07
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shardy	elynn: Ok, fair enough, perhaps in future you might consider migrating that cookbook to openstackclient :)	09:08
elynn	shardy: just for temporary, maybe both this tool and cookbook will change in the future :D	09:09
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openstackgerrit	Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Adds multi-region support for stack resource https://review.openstack.org/53313	09:18
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pas-ha	morning all	09:54
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asalkeld	hi maishsk	10:42
maishsk	asalkeld: Hello to you too	10:42
maishsk	I do not remember is I asked this before but perhaps you can help me	10:42
asalkeld	sure, or others here	10:43
maishsk	How would you go about deploying a Heat stack - say two web servers, based on the same 'template' and make sure that they are deployed to different AZ's for redundancy?	10:43
therve	If you use AZs, just specify them when you start the server?	10:46
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openstackgerrit	Ethan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add CERT file support in heat-keystone-setup-domain https://review.openstack.org/131698	10:48
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maishsk	I did not explain properly then	10:52
maishsk	OS::Heat::AutoScalingGroup	10:52
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maishsk	easier if I paste - one sec	10:53
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maishsk	http://paste.openstack.org/show/126413/	10:56
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therve	You cannot (yet) specify different AZs in a group	10:56
therve	Possibly you can use scheduler hints to do something a bit similar	10:57
shardy	maishsk: AZ spanning for scaling groups is being worked on, but the code hasn't yet landed:	10:58
shardy	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/117987/	10:58
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therve	I hope we'll find a better solution :/	10:58
shardy	Yeah, I was just pointing out that folks are working on solving it ;)	10:59
maishsk	therve: Why do you say hope for a better solution?	10:59
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therve	maishsk, 1) Because groups aren't nova specific, whereas AZs are. 2) Because the implementation in that patch is suboptimal, to put it nicely.	11:00
maishsk	shardy: thanks	11:00
maishsk	therve: Does it work?	11:00
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therve	I don't know.	11:01
shardy	therve: FYI the spec has two +2's, so you may want to add your objections there, if you have specific concerns other than the way it's implemented	11:04
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shardy	https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105907/12	11:05
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maishsk	Isn't it done this way in AWS ?	11:10
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maishsk	(or did I just say something really really wrong ... :) )	11:10
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shardy	maishsk: Yes, but AWS autoscaling can only scale instances, whereas the native AutoScalingGroup can scale out any resource	11:13
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maishsk	But other resources would you scale out?	11:15
maishsk	shardy: theoretically speaking - that would probably be the only thing that you want to scale	11:16
shardy	Anything you like, for example scale out heat stacks, containing an instance, network resources, volumes, object storage, whatever	11:16
maishsk	but you wouldn't scale out networks or storage etc.	11:17
maishsk	the only other thing it would scale is another stack	11:17
maishsk	which would in turn call other resources	11:17
maishsk	but all of those other objects don't scale in a heat template anyways	11:18
maishsk	shardy: or do they?	11:18
maishsk	actually better to ask - should they?	11:18
shardy	maishsk: OS::Heat::AutoScalingGroup can scale out heat stacks	11:18
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asalkeld	maishsk, up to you to make sure your architecture makes sense	11:19
maishsk	I am just trying to think of a use case here	11:20
maishsk	for example	11:20
maishsk	If I would want to scale storage.	11:21
maishsk	that would mean that I either need more performance or space	11:21
shardy	https://github.com/openstack/heat-templates/blob/master/openshift-origin/F19/hot-template/openshift-scalable-cpu-nbgears/nodeinstance.yaml	11:21
shardy	There's an example, you can scale out a unit which defines an openshift node	11:22
shardy	the node template contains a server, software configuration, and network (port/floating IP)	11:22
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shardy	obviously you have to make sure the combination of resources, e.g the unit of scaling, makes sense	11:22
maishsk	then Ceilometer would need to recognize an event that I am running out of space and scale the volume - by adding a nother one	11:22
maishsk	I am pretty sure that is not possible - at least today	11:23
maishsk	shardy: that is what I am saying - which other unit of scaling is there - besides instances and other templates\	11:23
maishsk	nothing else is currently viable	11:24
shardy	maishsk: Your volume use-case is already possible, although it would require metrics from inside the instance	11:24
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maishsk	Now I get it	11:25
maishsk	and because AZ's are nova centric	11:26
maishsk	it other components are not aware of AZ's - so this is the problem?	11:26
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asalkeld	meeting coming up	11:58
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openstackgerrit	Qiming Teng proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move creation of custom env to environment module https://review.openstack.org/131638	12:11
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maishsk	asalkeld: Great to see that you are heading the central HA discussion	12:25
asalkeld	maishsk, hope it helps	12:26
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maishsk	I hope so	12:26
maishsk	It is something that originated at a presentation I gave a while back	12:26
asalkeld	maishsk, so this is ha of the services	12:27
asalkeld	not of guests	12:27
maishsk	correct Services	12:27
maishsk	guests have to take care of themselves	12:27
maishsk	:)	12:27
asalkeld	better integration with pacemaker ocf scripts etc..	12:27
asalkeld	ok, I am going to head off to bed... getting late	12:28
asalkeld	night all	12:28
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maishsk	asalkeld: g'night - see you in Paris next week!	12:28
skraynev	asalkeld: bye	12:28
Qiming	I have a different thought about having guests to take care of themselves	12:29
Qiming	guest availability is supported from vmware, from cloudstack, from azure, iiuc	12:29
Qiming	pacemaker/corosync way of handling it has two issues: 1) scalability, 2) another software stack to manage	12:30
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maishsk	Qiming: there was a whole discussion on the ML - have you been following?	12:33
Qiming	yes, I followed that	12:33
Qiming	it has been a constant question that gets the same answer always: nova will not do this, other services should do; heat should not do this, it's nova's job ...	12:35
Qiming	then: openstack should not do this, leave to linux-ha	12:35
maishsk	I know... One the basics requests that always come up in the beginning of OpenStack talks with any customer	12:38
maishsk	What we need is someone to decide.	12:38
maishsk	Who should do this? and pass that mandate to the appropriate group	12:39
Qiming	yes	12:39
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openstackgerrit	Pratik Mallya proposed a change to openstack/heat: Pass status reason when trove misbehaves https://review.openstack.org/131563	12:43
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openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add nested_depth to internal _create_stack RPC interface https://review.openstack.org/115732	12:45
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add nested_depth column to stack table https://review.openstack.org/115730	12:45
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: engine service add nested_depth to create_stack https://review.openstack.org/115731	12:45
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: engine service add stack_user_project_id to create_stack interface https://review.openstack.org/118136	12:45
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add user_creds_id to _create_stack RPC interface https://review.openstack.org/116335	12:45
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add stack_user_project_id to _create_stack RPC interface https://review.openstack.org/118137	12:45
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: engine service add user_creds_id to create_stack interface https://review.openstack.org/116334	12:45
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: StackResource add show_deleted option to nested() accessor method https://review.openstack.org/116333	12:45
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat: StackResource add force_reload to nested() accessor method https://review.openstack.org/116332	12:45
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openstackgerrit	Pratik Mallya proposed a change to openstack/heat: Pass status reason when trove misbehaves https://review.openstack.org/131563	12:58
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jdandrea	stevebaker: Yes! keystone catalog is terrific. I don't know why I didn't pick that for the paste.	13:04
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inc0	is meeting happening today?	13:09
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jdandrea	inc0: Happened. (I was hoping to make my first one, but fate conspired against me.) Minutes: http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/meetings/heat/2014/heat.2014-10-29-12.00.log.html	13:28
* jdandrea is going to miss all the pastry in Paris. Le sigh.		13:29
inc0	thank you	13:29
inc0	jdandrea, don't worry, we'll make sure that you'll know exactly how tasty that was	13:32
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Qiming	it could be HOT	13:35
jdandrea	inc0: yw ... oh, thank you. Yes, please keep me in the loop on that. :-p	13:36
jdandrea	Qiming: HOT pastry? :-D	13:37
inc0	new resource type	13:37
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jdandrea	OS::Hot::Pastry	13:37
inc0	resauce	13:37
inc0	le sauce	13:37
jdandrea	Ha! Someone should get right on that.	13:38
* jdandrea thinks about the Summit, if it's ever in Austin, TX: OS::Hot::Sauce		13:38
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Qiming	lol	13:38
skraynev	guys, I see you are preparing some tasty dishes for party ?	13:38
skraynev	do not forget about OS::Cold:Beer please :)	13:39
jdandrea	"It's 17:00 somewhere."	13:40
inc0	its 3pm here, so feel free to drink on my accounyt	13:42
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skraynev	solution: move your clock and enjoy ;)	13:43
skraynev	or come to somebody who enjoys	13:44
jdandrea	WIN.	13:44
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openstackgerrit	Pratik Mallya proposed a change to openstack/heat: Pass status reason when trove misbehaves https://review.openstack.org/131563	13:46
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openstackgerrit	Peter Razumovsky proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix error raising in cfn with wrong output section https://review.openstack.org/131222	13:54
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openstackgerrit	Peter Razumovsky proposed a change to openstack/heat: Fix error raising in cfn with wrong output section https://review.openstack.org/131222	13:58
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therve	shardy, I haven't made comments on that review, because I don't have an alternative solution unfortunately	14:09
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shardy	therve: Ok, fair enough :)	14:11
therve	I can still argue on it I guess, but I'm not sure how useful it'll be	14:11
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jdandrea	Can anyone recommend a crystal clear tutorial on how pymox works? I keep looking at the Heat tests and my eyes kind of glaze over. Google's docs aren't helping. (I know, "It's easy when you know how!")	14:53
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jdandrea	Re: Previous Q, Martin Fowler to the rescue: http://martinfowler.com/articles/mocksArentStubs.html	15:12
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skraynev	g'night all	15:46
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therve	Has someone seen "AttributeError: 'module' object has no attribute 'client_plugin'" running the tests?	17:01
therve	It seems to happen on weird conditions	17:02
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openstackgerrit	Thomas Herve proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add snapshot restore HTTP API https://review.openstack.org/92125	17:02
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openstackgerrit	A change was merged to openstack/heat: Update docs to reflect HOT version support. https://review.openstack.org/131159	17:11
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Move to oslo.serialization https://review.openstack.org/131826	17:11
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Convert strutils to oslo.utils.encodeutils https://review.openstack.org/131827	17:11
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Convert importutils to oslo.utils https://review.openstack.org/131828	17:12
openstackgerrit	Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/python-heatclient: Sync oslo and purge remaining deprecated modules https://review.openstack.org/131829	17:12
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openstackgerrit	Ryan Brown proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add a preview endpoint for stack updates https://review.openstack.org/122473	17:37
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-openstackstatus- NOTICE: Restarting gerrit to get fixed CI javascript		20:56
stevebaker	morning	20:58
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openstackgerrit	Pavlo Shchelokovskyy proposed a change to openstack/heat: Implement update of AWS::EC2::SecurityGroup rules https://review.openstack.org/88548	21:06
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ccrouch	zaneb: ping	21:32
ccrouch	call ?	21:32
zaneb	oh yeah	21:32
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