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| stevebaker | skraynev: I wonder if you would consider adopting bp rich-network-prop https://review.openstack.org/#/c/130093/ | 03:17 |
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| stevebaker | skraynev: since you've done a bunch of Server networks prop stuff already | 03:17 |
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| skraynev | Good morning all | 05:36 |
| asalkeld | hi skraynev | 05:36 |
| skraynev | stevebaker: hi, gladly. | 05:37 |
| skraynev | hi asalkeld | 05:37 |
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| cmyster | morning | 05:49 |
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| skraynev | hi cmyster | 06:05 |
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| asalkeld | anything to had here guys: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-ha-integration | 06:06 |
| asalkeld | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/kilo-crossproject-upgrades-and-versioning | 06:06 |
| asalkeld | the last one Dan's going to have to fill in a bit | 06:06 |
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| ikke-t | hi asakel, I noticed you are doing ha plan... would you know of sql status? any plans to get rid of the locking problem with galera cluster? | 06:13 |
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| ikke-t | asalkel that is, sorry about typo | 06:14 |
| ikke-t | the ha of sql is very important, with multi node write it would be even load balanced | 06:15 |
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| asalkeld | ikke-t, hi | 06:17 |
| asalkeld | ikke-t, my focus is "what can the services do to improve ha" | 06:17 |
| asalkeld | more than general ha setup | 06:17 |
| ikke-t | ok | 06:18 |
| asalkeld | ikke-t, but i know some redhat and mirantis ha experts will be there | 06:18 |
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| asalkeld | so they might be able to help | 06:18 |
| ikke-t | couple of things we've done for ha, is that we added localhost haproxy in front of any service api | 06:19 |
| ikke-t | so with three controllers, there is three apis for e.g. heat available in case of one process hung | 06:20 |
| asalkeld | ok, to make sure the user gets a response | 06:20 |
| ikke-t | and every node runs local haproxy, so in any direction the service is tripled | 06:21 |
| ikke-t | another thing for services, we added systemctl to respawn the service few times | 06:21 |
| ikke-t | that might be good to have by default for services | 06:22 |
| ikke-t | systemd that is... not systemctl | 06:22 |
| asalkeld | ikke-t, tho' the cluster guys i have talked to would rather us have ocf resources | 06:22 |
| asalkeld | line 33 | 06:23 |
| asalkeld | Cluster manager perspective (beekhof) | 06:23 |
| asalkeld | beekhof maintains pacemaker | 06:23 |
| asalkeld | "Consider writing OCF scripts instead of systemd unit file (to get better service monitoring)" | 06:24 |
| ikke-t | ocf? | 06:24 |
| asalkeld | ikke-t, ^ systemd doesn't have deep health check | 06:24 |
| ikke-t | no, it doesn't | 06:24 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/madkiss/openstack-resource-agents/tree/master/ocf | 06:25 |
| ikke-t | but it is local and fast | 06:25 |
| asalkeld | it's not important if it can't catch a problem | 06:25 |
| lifeless | pacemaker agents can be local and fast too AIUI | 06:25 |
| asalkeld | i think that level of speed is not a big deal | 06:26 |
| ikke-t | ok, different approach. we went without the cluster stuff in this env | 06:27 |
| ikke-t | pacemaker and friends | 06:27 |
| asalkeld | ok | 06:27 |
| ikke-t | is there ha meet next week in paris? | 06:28 |
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| ikke-t | I can't make it but it would be good for our other guys to come listen if there is | 06:30 |
| asalkeld | http://kilodesignsummit.sched.org/ | 06:30 |
| asalkeld | there are a bunch of ha related things | 06:30 |
| ikke-t | tnx, paris would've been interesting | 06:32 |
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| Samos123 | could we also use type: OS::Neutron::HealthMonitor to monitor port 80 of Wordpress instance and recreate the instance if port 80 didn't respond? this way we don't need to install cfntools inside guest VM right? | 06:39 |
| asalkeld | Samos123, also see this for installing guest tools "on the go" | 06:42 |
| asalkeld | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/119282/ | 06:42 |
| asalkeld | skraynev, do you know health monitor well? | 06:43 |
| asalkeld | i didn't think it generated a webhook that harestarter could use | 06:44 |
| skraynev | asalkeld: not 100% , I just used it, when played with neutron lbaas. | 06:46 |
| skraynev | however guys who does it sits in front of me, and I may ask him. | 06:47 |
| skraynev | for more details | 06:47 |
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| Gh0s7_ | hi | 06:53 |
| Firespirit | someone is familiar with swift that can help me ? | 06:54 |
| Samos123 | thanks guys im gonna play around with heat today and see what kind of example I can come up with | 07:02 |
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| ananta | Hi! Good afternoon/evening! | 07:12 |
| Firespirit | hi | 07:13 |
| Firespirit | you know swift ananta? | 07:14 |
| ananta | not really, sorry! | 07:14 |
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| mc__ | When I start a HOT in Dashboard including a NovaServer, then it fails with an error in the log "TRACE heat.engine.resource Error: Resource CREATE failed: StackValidationFailed: Property error : server: key_name "mykey" does not validate nova.keypair". But nova keypair-list lists the key and it was even recently created by nova add-key. I'm using Icehouse, Is there anybody who might know whats the problem? | 08:01 |
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| mc__ | ok, never mind. I created and added the keyfile in wrong ssh account. correcting that, it works now. | 08:15 |
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| pas-ha | morning all | 08:21 |
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| elynn | morning pas-ha | 08:25 |
| skraynev | hello pas-ha, elynn | 08:25 |
| elynn | I have question about heat-api-cfn & heat-api-cloudwatch | 08:26 |
| elynn | If I stop heat-api-cfn | 08:26 |
| elynn | What function will I break? | 08:26 |
| shardy | elynn: The main thing is signalling via pre-signed URLs, which is used for ScalingPolicy resources (yes, even the OS::Heat one unfortunately) and HARestarter | 08:27 |
| shardy | everything else should work via the native API, and there is a signal API there too, it's just not provided via pre-signed URLs | 08:27 |
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| Firespirit | someone is familiar with swift that can help me ? | 08:28 |
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| shardy | Firespirit: this is a channel for heat | 08:28 |
| elynn | shardy: what do you mean pre-signed urls? It's using in aws template? | 08:28 |
| shardy | elynn: I mean the URL we pass to ceilometer alarm resources | 08:28 |
| shardy | If you're using OS::Ceilometer::Alarm to trigger things in your stack, you do need the heat-api-cfn service | 08:29 |
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| shardy | we'd like to fix that, but it's turned out to be somewhat harder than expected | 08:29 |
| elynn | shardy: Waitcondition is also handle by heat-api-cfn? | 08:30 |
| shardy | elynn: Not if you use OS::Heat::WaitCondition | 08:30 |
| elynn | shardy: thx, I got it. | 08:31 |
| elynn | shardy: and what will happen when heat-api-cloudwatch is down? | 08:31 |
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| shardy | elynn: also, if you're using SoftwareDeployment resources, you must specify POLL_SERVER_HEAT as the signal transport for the Server resource and HEAT_SIGNAL for the signal_transport of the deployment resource | 08:32 |
| shardy | the default for both those is still CFN atm | 08:32 |
| shardy | elynn: nothing, unless you're posting data to it, e.g via cfn-push-stats | 08:33 |
| shardy | elynn: AWS::CloudWatch::Alarm won't work, unless you switch the implementation here (CWLiteAlarm uses the cloudwatch API) | 08:33 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/etc/heat/environment.d/default.yaml#L7 | 08:34 |
| shardy | Oh wait, actuallly it looks like the ceilometer implementation is the default now :) \o/ | 08:34 |
| elynn | shardy: So heat-api-cloudwatch is useless in kilo? | 08:35 |
| elynn | or in juno | 08:35 |
| shardy | elynn: well, not useless, possibly not *useful* unless you care about compatibility with CFN | 08:35 |
| elynn | shardy: So heat-api-cloudwatch is handle status that is push by cfn-push-stats, right? | 08:36 |
| shardy | elynn: yes | 08:36 |
| shardy | So if you want to push metrics from inside instances, you have to push them direct to ceilometer, e.g via curl or ceilometerclient | 08:37 |
| shardy | The tricky part about that is you then need to pass credentials into the instance | 08:37 |
| elynn | shardy: ... that's so tricky.. | 08:38 |
| shardy | If you pass data via heat-api-cloudwatch, heat can provide an AWS accesskey, which maps to a stack-domain-user | 08:38 |
| shardy | then we re-route the data to ceilometer inside heat | 08:38 |
| shardy | elynn: Yes, but I've been thinking about a solution for it | 08:38 |
| elynn | Is there any docs for your solution? | 08:39 |
| shardy | I'm planning to raise a spec proposing we enable OS::Ceilometer::Alarm resources to recieve signals from inside the instance, which can contain metrics which are then re-routed to ceilometer in a similar way to the CW API | 08:39 |
| shardy | elynn: not yet, I only thought of it yesterday :) | 08:40 |
| shardy | I'll try to raise a spec later today | 08:40 |
| elynn | shardy: Thanks for you explanation :) ha | 08:42 |
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| shardy | Or, maybe we'll end up with some other OS::Ceilometer resource which does a similar job | 08:43 |
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| elynn | In my env, ceilometer can't get memory usage, I dont know why | 08:50 |
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| ckmvishnu | angus: are you there? | 09:01 |
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| asalkeld | hi ckmvishnu | 09:13 |
| asalkeld | (was just having supper) | 09:14 |
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| ckmvishnu | just wanted to check if tomorrow would be good for a g+ session | 09:15 |
| asalkeld | sure | 09:16 |
| asalkeld | i'll be in, just ping me when you are ready | 09:16 |
| ckmvishnu | sure. is is possible to have zaneb along? | 09:16 |
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| asalkeld | i'd love that, but he says it's tricky with the time zones | 09:17 |
| ckmvishnu | ah, ok | 09:17 |
| ckmvishnu | np | 09:17 |
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| shardy | Any python3 gurus know what I'm supposed to do about this? | 10:30 |
| shardy | http://logs.openstack.org/26/131826/1/check/gate-python-heatclient-python33/f8b70c4/console.html | 10:30 |
| asalkeld | TypeError: can't concat bytes to str | 10:31 |
| asalkeld | missing six.text_type ? | 10:32 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Hmm, maybe, I'm not sure where though, as it's falling over the jsonutils.load(f) | 10:35 |
| shardy | maybe it doesn't know what encoding to use | 10:35 |
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| asalkeld | sorry shardy switched networks | 10:39 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: np, maybe the httppretty return value needs to be unicode | 10:42 |
| * shardy checks | 10:42 | |
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| * asalkeld really struggling to actually get some coding done | 10:46 | |
| asalkeld | all the summit noise | 10:46 |
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| shardy | I have the opposite problem, I need to stop coding and write demo/slides for summit ;) | 10:46 |
| shardy | coding is much more interesting than slides though ;) | 10:46 |
| asalkeld | yeah, i always feel it is waisted time when i finish a talk | 10:47 |
| asalkeld | did i really spend all that time on that talk, and now nothing to show for it | 10:47 |
| shardy | Yeah, although I try to reuse some material between events so it's not so bad | 10:50 |
| shardy | It's always the demo part that's stressful ;) | 10:50 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, don't tell me you are doing a demo | 10:50 |
| shardy | asalkeld: yeah, the plan is to do a step-by step showing how to do some things in templates, ideally demoing between each step | 10:51 |
| shardy | If it doesn't work, we'll just talk about templates a lot ;D | 10:51 |
| asalkeld | that sounds like my step by step sydney meetup | 10:52 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/asalkeld/sydney-templates | 10:52 |
| asalkeld | started at the first commit and progressed | 10:53 |
| asalkeld | tho' quite simple | 10:53 |
| asalkeld | https://github.com/asalkeld/sydney-templates/commits/master | 10:53 |
| * shardy forks | 10:53 | |
| shardy | asalkeld: FYI I also have https://github.com/hardys/demo_templates | 10:54 |
| shardy | where I'm starting to push the various demo templates I end up using | 10:54 |
| asalkeld | haha looks very similar | 10:54 |
| shardy | asalkeld: thanks for sharing, may save me some time :) | 10:54 |
| shardy | yeah | 10:54 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, at that talk i used dropbear | 10:55 |
| asalkeld | (not devstack) | 10:55 |
| asalkeld | heat was in standalone mode | 10:55 |
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| shardy | asalkeld: Interesting, I just ran devstack with OFFLINE=True and hacked the endpoints to point to localhost | 10:56 |
| shardy | mostly worked OK, but may get complex this time as we want to show SoftwareDeployments | 10:57 |
| asalkeld | ooo, that is the thing i avoided | 10:58 |
| asalkeld | (guest - heat comms) | 10:58 |
| shardy | asalkeld: Yeah I did last time, but I'm going to try this time, as it's the logical progression from the previous examples | 10:58 |
| shardy | planning to use my cirros software-config image so it boots fast | 10:58 |
| asalkeld | shardy, can't you use a "public" cloud? | 10:59 |
| asalkeld | you are showing *how* to use it | 10:59 |
| * shardy googles "dropbear" and ends up readinG "10 terrifying facts about the australian dropbear" | 10:59 | |
| asalkeld | shardy, internal rht openstack - doh | 10:59 |
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| asalkeld | you should know | 10:59 |
| asalkeld | maybe you guys don't have it anymore | 11:00 |
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| asalkeld | shardy, *cough* -> https://express.mirantis.com/home | 11:02 |
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| asalkeld | :-) | 11:02 |
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| shardy | Heh | 11:04 |
| asalkeld | well something like that | 11:04 |
| asalkeld | less stress in a demo is *much* better | 11:04 |
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| asalkeld | btw shardy i had good feedback from that session, people like to see things developing | 11:06 |
| shardy | The upgrades one? | 11:06 |
| shardy | Oh, sorry, the demo | 11:06 |
| asalkeld | i mean that kind of demo | 11:06 |
| asalkeld | start simple and building on it | 11:07 |
| shardy | Great, yeah that's what I'm shooting for, but introduce some of the more advanced features in a simple way | 11:07 |
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| skraynev | asalkeld: good night | 11:46 |
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| cmyster | one our later while going throught the backlog... | 12:03 |
| cmyster | thanks shardy for that :) | 12:03 |
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| boris-42 | skraynev oh finally your blog post is published https://www.mirantis.com/blog/5-steps-openstack-success-benchmarking-heat-rally/ | 15:33 |
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| pfreund_ | Is it possible to boot a server on cinder (root disk) in a hot template ? | 16:00 |
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| skraynev | skraynev: it's miracle))) | 17:09 |
| skraynev | g'night | 17:09 |
| skraynev | boris-42 ^ | 17:10 |
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| ananta | Hi! | 17:28 |
| ananta | zaneb: are you there? | 17:28 |
| zaneb | o/ | 17:28 |
| ananta | Hi! | 17:29 |
| ananta | just wondering if you could attend a G+ hangout session | 17:29 |
| zaneb | I don't have G+ | 17:29 |
| ananta | :) | 17:29 |
| zaneb | also, I am flying to Paris today | 17:29 |
| ananta | ok | 17:30 |
| zaneb | so unfortunately attending anything at all is more or less impossible until after the summit :/ | 17:30 |
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| ananta | I have updated the wiki and I have the PDF which describes the flow of stack create/update request as we think | 17:32 |
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| ananta | unfortunately I wouldn't be able to attend the summit | 17:33 |
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| ananta | the link: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/File:Persist-graph-stack-update2.pdf | 17:33 |
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| zaneb | ananta: thanks. I'm starting to get a better understanding of what you're proposing from your comments on the review | 17:34 |
| zaneb | I am a little confused, though | 17:34 |
| ananta | zaneb: we can discuss | 17:34 |
| zaneb | what's the point of storing the graph if it only contains data that could be obtained from the template? | 17:35 |
| zaneb | that's just performance optimisation | 17:35 |
| zaneb | which is not bad per se... | 17:35 |
| ananta | the problem is that one has to compute the graph every time we want to get the next set of ready nodes | 17:35 |
| zaneb | but the point of storing the graph IMO is to fix things like bug 1334514 | 17:36 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1334514 in heat "cannot delete the stack after heat-engine down in middle of stack-update" [Medium,Fix released] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1334514 | 17:36 |
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| ananta | yes | 17:38 |
| zaneb | ananta: I'd encourage y'all to have a close read of https://launchpadlibrarian.net/175881721/reason.pdf | 17:38 |
| zaneb | and make sure those issues are addressed in anything you're proposing | 17:38 |
| ananta | sure, thanks for the link... we did thought about cross dependencies between backup and current stacks | 17:39 |
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| ananta | I think that there should also be a way to re-start a create request | 17:41 |
| ananta | persisting graph helps there | 17:41 |
| ananta | if for some reason the heat engine foes down...or...due to external circumstances if the stack couldn't be provisioned, then one can re-sstart the create process | 17:42 |
| zaneb | I think we support that now? | 17:43 |
| zaneb | you just issue an update with the same template | 17:43 |
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| ananta | ok, but I was wondering if it would or not re-provision the resources which have failed | 17:45 |
| ananta | let's discuss sometimes later, its late for me...need some sleep... thanks and have a good day! | 17:47 |
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| zaneb | bye guys | 18:45 |
| zaneb | see y'all in Paris | 18:45 |
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| ryansb | o/ safe travels | 18:46 |
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