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| asalkeld | hi Qiming | 01:14 |
| Qiming | hi | 01:15 |
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| asalkeld | I feel I just have to share this (sorry in advance:-) http://www.news.com.au/lifestyle/health/the-disgusting-removal-of-a-25yearold-blackhead/story-fneuzlbd-1226740833219 | 01:38 |
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| asalkeld | wow lots of specs out there | 03:56 |
| asalkeld | stevebaker, are you still in NZ? | 03:56 |
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| elynn | Hi jamielennox|away, are you there? | 06:54 |
| skraynev | good morning chat :) | 06:58 |
| asalkeld | hi skraynev | 06:59 |
| skraynev | hi asalkeld | 07:00 |
| asalkeld | moving network | 07:00 |
| asalkeld | brb | 07:00 |
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| shardy | morning all | 07:47 |
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| skraynev | morning shardy | 07:59 |
| asalkeld_ | yo | 08:00 |
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| skraynev | guys, could you take a look at https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1387978 ? | 08:03 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1387978 in heat "Can not delete stack if volume go to error_deleting state" [Low,New] | 08:03 |
| skraynev | need advice about it. | 08:03 |
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| asalkeld_ | skraynev, need more info in that bug | 08:05 |
| asalkeld_ | a template | 08:05 |
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| asalkeld_ | maybe get some output as to the real volume state | 08:05 |
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| skraynev | ok, will update. the issue, that it has not constant reproducing :( | 08:06 |
| skraynev | I will try to reproduce and update it. | 08:06 |
| asalkeld_ | but, yes not good to have a stack "stuck" in any state | 08:08 |
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| asalkeld_ | remote: New Changes: | 08:25 |
| asalkeld_ | remote: https://review.openstack.org/132190 | 08:25 |
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| pas-ha | morning all | 09:05 |
| elynn | morning pas-ha | 09:05 |
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| skraynev | pas-ha: could you give more details how you suggest to deprecate parser module? | 09:54 |
| skraynev | AFAIK, we have not any deprecation warning for this change. | 09:54 |
| pas-ha | just put a LOG.warning() in the beginning of the module, so when it is imported WARNING is spewn in logs | 09:55 |
| skraynev | and I think that developers with custom plugins will be surprised anyway | 09:55 |
| pas-ha | that's the point of what I suggest - warning will be displayed but the code will still work | 09:55 |
| skraynev | for one cycle (kilo) ? | 09:56 |
| pas-ha | why not | 09:56 |
| skraynev | just clarify :) | 09:57 |
| pas-ha | in is not that burdensome to have an extra file of about 20 lines in the repo if it will keep compat for other people | 09:57 |
| skraynev | btw, I am not fully sure, that log warning is enough. I think if you use resource and it works.. you have not any reason look in logs.. | 09:57 |
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| pas-ha | error then - in normal deployment there should be some log monitoring tool to catch those and notify the operator | 09:58 |
| pas-ha | basically the same we are doing for client plugins | 09:59 |
| pas-ha | to deprecate self.nova() and the like | 10:00 |
| pas-ha | we could have just removed those, but we care of people using Heat, especially since we allow it to be extendable | 10:01 |
| skraynev | yeah, I know and remember it. | 10:02 |
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| skraynev | but still initial change was introduced in Juno... and it's so sad that we did not add deprecation warning previously :( | 10:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Steven Hardy proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Add spec for ceilometer_metric_signals https://review.openstack.org/132198 | 10:09 |
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| shardy | elynn: ^^ | 10:10 |
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| elynn | shardy: :) | 10:10 |
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| elynn | Dinner time now :) | 10:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Ethan Lynn proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add CERT file support in heat-keystone-setup-domain https://review.openstack.org/131698 | 10:15 |
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| tiantian | skraynev: hi, trouble you, after adding plugin_dirs in heat.conf: plugin_dirs=/usr/lib/heat, /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor/, then the heat-engine process won't start, what's problem:( | 10:29 |
| skraynev | tiantian: hi. | 10:31 |
| skraynev | some traceback? | 10:31 |
| shardy | tiantian: you could be kind to us and provide tha actual error ;) | 10:31 |
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| tiantian | DistutilsFileError: The setup.cfg file /root/setup.cfg does not exist. | 10:32 |
| tiantian | if I run the '/opt/stack/heat/bin/heat-engine --config-file=/etc/heat/heat.conf' in /root | 10:33 |
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| tiantian | if I remove the plugin_dirs in heat.conf, and then success | 10:33 |
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| tiantian | whether the plugin_dirs config error? | 10:35 |
| Putns | some plugin in the plugin_dir is failing | 10:35 |
| tiantian | I find something is changed of use plugins, so not sure what's correct way | 10:37 |
| tiantian | see the traceback :http://paste.openstack.org/show/127528/ | 10:39 |
| shardy | tiantian: The instructions have changed, now you do setup.py install for the contrib resource | 10:40 |
| shardy | rather than add the directory to the plugin_dirs | 10:40 |
| shardy | cd /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor && sudo python setup.py install | 10:41 |
| shardy | then ensure you *don't* have /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor in plugin_dirs | 10:41 |
| shardy | by default, the install will put the plugin in /usr/lib/heat/, as mentioned in the README | 10:41 |
| skraynev | mmm | 10:42 |
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| skraynev | shardy: gave good recommendation and I have not anything to add :) | 10:42 |
| skraynev | just one small thing | 10:42 |
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| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/contrib/nova_flavor/README.md | 10:43 |
| skraynev | tiantian: you specify /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor/ | 10:43 |
| skraynev | and it does not work for me too | 10:43 |
| skraynev | but path: /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor/nova_flavor - works fine | 10:43 |
| skraynev | so probably it was wrong directory. | 10:44 |
| shardy | skraynev: does that actually register the resource though? | 10:44 |
| shardy | I thought the setup.py thing was due to the move to stevedore | 10:45 |
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| tiantian | <shardy>: you mean just config the plugin_dirs=/usr/lib/heat | 10:45 |
| shardy | tiantian: well, just leaving it commmented works for me | 10:46 |
| skraynev | shardy: tbh, I check it without setup.py , so... | 10:47 |
| skraynev | may be it works too | 10:47 |
| shardy | skraynev: does the resource show in heat resource-type-list? | 10:47 |
| skraynev | sure | 10:47 |
| skraynev | first check! | 10:47 |
| shardy | Ok, cool, whatever works then :) | 10:47 |
| skraynev | OS::Nova::Flavor | 10:47 |
| KanagarajM | asalkeld_, pas-ha: for the review resource level adoption patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/124707, could you suggest if something to be done from my side? | 10:51 |
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| tiantian | <shardy>: leaving plugin_dirs commented, and cd /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor && sudo python setup.py install, still doesn't work for me:( | 10:53 |
| tiantian | heat-engine is running, but resource-type-list there is no OS::Nova::Flavor resource | 10:54 |
| pas-ha | KanagarajM, not sure. the main contra-argument was the the whole adopt-abandon currently is buggy, so people worry about adding more functionality to it | 10:55 |
| shardy | pas-ha: Not only is it buggy, it's disabled by default | 10:56 |
| shardy | so this feature will have to be disabled by default also | 10:56 |
| pas-ha | shardy, *that* buggy the :) | 10:56 |
| shardy | (until someone steps up to solve the issues) | 10:56 |
| KanagarajM | in this patch blue-print, i have added the dependency with those adopt/abandon related bugs and we could solve together. | 10:58 |
| tiantian | <shardy>: skraynev's way works for me | 10:58 |
| KanagarajM | i have seen that already owners are assigned to those bugs, so i was thinking to work with this blue-print | 10:59 |
| skraynev | shardy, tiantian: lol. experiment surprise again: try to copy nova_flavor/nova_flavor folder to /usr/lib/heat | 10:59 |
| shardy | KanagarajM: AFAIK vijendar has not been actively working on those bugs (which is basically the whole problem we have) | 10:59 |
| skraynev | and execute setup install | 10:59 |
| shardy | so you may want to drop him a mail and offer to help :) | 10:59 |
| skraynev | it works for me too | 11:00 |
| skraynev | note: plugin_dirs is commented | 11:00 |
| skraynev | in this case | 11:00 |
| shardy | KanagarajM: I just want to make sure we set your expectations correctly - IMO we can't merge your new stuff until the existing stuff works safely | 11:01 |
| tiantian | skraynev: try :) | 11:01 |
| shardy | There's no point in merging more stuff which has to be disabled IMO | 11:01 |
| shardy | KanagarajM: If you're willing to help solve the problems, than that is awesome, thanks! :) | 11:01 |
| tiantian | skraynev: leaving plugin_dirs commented, and cd /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor && sudo python setup.py install, in this case , works for you? | 11:02 |
| skraynev | agree with shardy | 11:02 |
| skraynev | about disabled staff | 11:02 |
| shardy | If we can fix the problems and re-enable it, it will be a nice feature, I know a lot of folks want a way to bring existing resources under Heat control :) | 11:03 |
| skraynev | tiantian: oh. gorget it | 11:04 |
| skraynev | I find that plugin_dirs has default :) | 11:04 |
| skraynev | so if you copy /opt/stack/heat/contrib/nova_flavor/nova_flavor to /usr/lib/heat it will work without uncommenting plugin_dirs in configuration file :) | 11:05 |
| skraynev | s/gorget/forget | 11:05 |
| tiantian | Ok, I got :) | 11:05 |
| * skraynev thinking where stevedore used here ??!! | 11:06 | |
| KanagarajM | shardy: sure I will work with vijendar to get help to fix the bugs and feature proposed in this blueprint. As i see that both are related to each other. so it would easy me to push the patch if this blueprint also approved. | 11:06 |
| shardy | KanagarajM: feel free to just push the code and mark it WIP when you have something ready for review/discussion | 11:07 |
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| KanagarajM | shardy: ok. i had the impression that it is not a good idea to push a patch for blue-prints which is under review as the feature may change after the patch work. so would like to know if the feature defined in the blue-print is fine? | 11:14 |
| shardy | KanagarajM: IMHO it's perfectly fine, you can always push another revision, and seeing code is a great way to clarify your approach and communicate it to spec reviewers | 11:15 |
| shardy | (I mean pushing code at the same time as spec is fine) | 11:16 |
| tiantian | bye all:) | 11:16 |
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| openstackgerrit | huangtianhua proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add OS::Cinder::VolumeType resource https://review.openstack.org/132214 | 11:17 |
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| KanagarajM | shardy: sure. | 11:19 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/heat: Fix error raising in cfn with wrong output section https://review.openstack.org/131222 | 11:23 |
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| * asalkeld_ packing | 11:28 | |
| asalkeld_ | not looking forward to 25hr flight time | 11:29 |
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| mikal | asalkeld_: via Dubai? | 11:32 |
| asalkeld_ | mikal, sinapore | 11:32 |
| asalkeld_ | singapore | 11:33 |
| asalkeld_ | ga | 11:33 |
| asalkeld_ | mikal, are you there yet? | 11:33 |
| mikal | Yep, I've been hiding in London this week | 11:33 |
| mikal | I fly to Paris tomorrow | 11:33 |
| mikal | Its made last minute summit prep much easier I think | 11:34 |
| asalkeld_ | i still have a game of lazer tag to play with the kids tomorrow moring | 11:34 |
| mikal | Cause I can chase people in their own timezone | 11:34 |
| asalkeld_ | nice | 11:34 |
| asalkeld_ | looks chilly there | 11:35 |
| asalkeld_ | in brisbane i can't use blankets - hot and sweaty already | 11:35 |
| mikal | Its not too bad | 11:35 |
| mikal | Not super warm, but not freezing either | 11:35 |
| asalkeld_ | ok | 11:36 |
| * shardy looks outside and notes actual sunshine instead of rain ;) | 11:36 | |
| asalkeld_ | good to know | 11:36 |
| mikal | Well, for a CBR person at least | 11:36 |
| asalkeld_ | shardy, you taking a brolly | 11:36 |
| mikal | Its like 13 degrees here in London | 11:36 |
| asalkeld_ | that seems really cold | 11:36 |
| shardy | asalkeld_: Probably, and/or a waterproof coat, it's bound to rain ;) | 11:37 |
| mikal | Meh, warm winters day | 11:37 |
| mikal | To me at least | 11:37 |
| asalkeld_ | i quickly adapted from christchurch to brisbane | 11:37 |
| shardy | mikal: +1 (I'm about one hour from London) | 11:37 |
| asalkeld_ | one gets soft very quickly | 11:37 |
| asalkeld_ | that core reviewer party looks nice | 11:38 |
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| asalkeld_ | shardy, i believe murano auth is the same as we use atm | 11:40 |
| asalkeld_ | (webhooks) | 11:40 |
| asalkeld_ | i could be wrong | 11:40 |
| shardy | asalkeld_: So.. AWS then? | 11:40 |
| asalkeld_ | ec2 based stuff | 11:40 |
| asalkeld_ | afaik | 11:40 |
| shardy | asalkeld_: Ok, I'd love to come up with an alternative to that (particularly for Ceilometer alarm notifications) | 11:41 |
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| asalkeld_ | yeah | 11:41 |
| asalkeld_ | i assume you are chatting to ayoung about it | 11:42 |
| shardy | we have discussed it, but not that particular issue for a while | 11:43 |
| shardy | I think oauth is supposed to be the alternative, but expiry is non-optional for that atm, so it won't work | 11:43 |
| shardy | (it can be disabled globally, but not per-url) | 11:43 |
| shardy | I should talk to Steve Martinelli about it again next week | 11:44 |
| asalkeld_ | yeah, it's not so easy | 11:44 |
| asalkeld_ | shardy, where are you staying? | 11:44 |
| asalkeld_ | i (and a pile of miratis) are at le meridien | 11:46 |
| shardy | asalkeld_: place near Rome metro, I'll have to check the name | 11:47 |
| shardy | I'm fairly terrified, my previous experiences of cheap paris hotels has been pretty bad | 11:47 |
| asalkeld_ | apartments are the way to go i think | 11:48 |
| asalkeld_ | (if you have your family) | 11:49 |
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| skraynev | therve: ping | 11:53 |
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| asalkeld_ | signing off, see you all in paris | 12:02 |
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| pas-ha | guys, can someone clarify what is docs team demanding? I'm kind of lost in the process they are pushing on us (I know, docs are a must, but still..) | 12:55 |
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| shardy | pas-ha: It might help if you clarified what you're talking about, link? | 13:23 |
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| pas-ha | just a bunch of recent -1s from docs team on many of our reviews | 13:24 |
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| pas-ha | like this https://review.openstack.org/132214 | 13:24 |
| ryansb | they -1'd a review of mine because I didn't make a WSDL (errr, WADL I guess) of the API change I was proposing | 13:25 |
| pas-ha | do they want we submit changes for docs in the same time we submit changes to code? | 13:25 |
| ryansb | basically they want docs for the change submitted as well | 13:25 |
| ryansb | yes, as I understand it, that's what they're pushing for. | 13:25 |
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| pas-ha | but who then controls the merge? docs must be merged after the code is merged, as implementation might change during review :) | 13:26 |
| shardy | pas-ha: I think they just want it posted | 13:26 |
| shardy | One of those requests (about api-ref) is wrong anyway | 13:27 |
| ryansb | ... Hmm, I did not consider that issue. I imagine they would defer to us to merge because (obv) it's our feature | 13:27 |
| pas-ha | and probably workflow-1'ed... that might work | 13:27 |
| shardy | Yeah, we should WIP any docs patch until the feature lands | 13:27 |
| ryansb | good call. | 13:27 |
| shardy | I don't really get why we can't automatically generate the resource-type list, like we do for the existing template_guide, but perhaps it's considered too hard as it's in a different tree | 13:28 |
| shardy | maybe that's an optimization we can look at adding somehow | 13:28 |
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| pas-ha | wasn't there a discussion about moving docs to some other non-wadl tool? I seem to recall stevebaker involved... | 13:29 |
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| pfreund_ | Is it possible to do a +1 on a blueprint ? | 13:31 |
| shardy | pas-ha: I'll reply to that review, IMHO Sam Harwell is asking for several things which aren't required | 13:31 |
| shardy | only adding the new resource type is needed, IMO | 13:31 |
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| pas-ha | pfreund_, sure | 13:31 |
| pfreund_ | pas-ha: in launchpad ? | 13:32 |
| ryansb | what tool do you guys use to generate WADL for an endpoint? | 13:32 |
| pas-ha | no, in a heat-specs repo | 13:32 |
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| pas-ha | if the blueprint dates back to when we did not have that - no luck | 13:32 |
| pas-ha | other than commenting on it I suppose | 13:33 |
| pfreund_ | I just want to make a feedback on a blueprint (add-quota-api-for-heat) | 13:35 |
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| pfreund_ | I say that it's blocking for me, for a production env | 13:35 |
| pfreund_ | (french gov cloud) | 13:35 |
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| shardy | pfreund_: I believe the consensus is that quota's for heat don't make sense, and that quotas should enforce usage of real resources, e.g be applied at the underlying service level | 13:38 |
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| pfreund_ | shardy: so they will disapear ? | 13:38 |
| shardy | pfreund_: Or, at least, there were some strong assertions to that effect | 13:38 |
| shardy | pfreund_: they don't yet exist? | 13:39 |
| shardy | I am saying it's currently questionable whether we will ever merge any implementation | 13:39 |
| pfreund_ | I don't need them, I want to remove the 100 max stack | 13:39 |
| shardy | pfreund_: that is a config file setting, not a quota | 13:40 |
| shardy | actually, wait | 13:40 |
| pfreund_ | What I try to say is that I would like it to be a quota, and then put it at -1 | 13:40 |
| pfreund_ | like I do for other services | 13:41 |
| pfreund_ | I create a tenant which will launch maybe 1 thousands stacks | 13:41 |
| ryansb | oh, so you want to allow users infinite stacks? | 13:41 |
| pfreund_ | maybe more | 13:41 |
| pfreund_ | not all users | 13:41 |
| pfreund_ | 1 "super" tenant | 13:41 |
| pas-ha | that two lines were greate together ^^^^ | 13:42 |
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| ryansb | lol. | 13:42 |
| pfreund_ | :) | 13:42 |
| shardy | pfreund_: Ok, maybe we could enable that, IIRC the objections were about providing fine-grained quota control of all the things, that use-case sounds reasonable to me | 13:43 |
| ryansb | I recall the reasoning behind not having quotas for stacks is that the "stack" is not a real thing. It's just a notion of a group of things | 13:43 |
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| ryansb | err, by quota for stacks I meant quotas for heat | 13:43 |
| shardy | ryansb: Yeah, in particular SpamapS had some strong feelings on the topic | 13:44 |
| ryansb | and the quotas would be enforced by the managers of whatever the resources were | 13:44 |
| shardy | but having *some* limits makes sense, so e.g folks can't DoS heat by creating one millions of stacks containing RandomString resources or something | 13:44 |
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| ryansb | yeah, and I guess deployers who *really* hate limits can crank it up to maxint | 13:47 |
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| pfreund_ | shardy: I'll be able to explain more monday if you come in Paris | 13:53 |
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| shardy | pfreund_: Ok, np - it sounds like something we can probably support without doing the full quota implementation which was previously proposed. | 13:53 |
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| pas-ha | pfreund_, that sounds reasonable. Please raise a spec and we will surely discuss it. | 13:57 |
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| SpamapS | shardy: yes, there is a sanity limits on things like stacks per user already. Adding detailed quotas wouldn't really add any value to Heat. | 14:02 |
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| shardy | SpamapS: sure, but allowing per-tenant control of max_stacks_per_tenant to satisfy pfreund_'s use-case may be reasonable, no? | 14:04 |
| shardy | It can probably be done in a much simpler way than was proposed in those quota patches | 14:04 |
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| SpamapS | pfreund_: why wouldn't you just let the usual nova/etc. quotas handle that? | 14:07 |
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| pfreund_ | I would like to, but today I'm limited with the 100 max_stacks_per_tenant, I would like to supress it | 14:08 |
| SpamapS | and sporadically now | 14:08 |
| pfreund_ | and use other services quotas | 14:08 |
| SpamapS | pfreund_: make it 2000 | 14:08 |
| pfreund_ | yes, that's why it should be greate to do heat quota-update 2000 admin | 14:08 |
| pfreund_ | and maybe keep 100 for other tenants | 14:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anderson Mesquita proposed a change to openstack/heat-specs: Detailed Resource Show https://review.openstack.org/121979 | 14:12 |
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| SpamapS | pfreund_: I don't believe that is really worth the complexity. The limits are entirely implementation specific and meant to prevent you from OOM'ing your engines | 14:17 |
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| pfreund_ | SpamapS: do you mean I have to know these "max" when I deploy openstack and never change it after ? (for a prod environement) | 14:21 |
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| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed a change to openstack/heat: Move parameters from stack to raw_template https://review.openstack.org/128852 | 14:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed a change to openstack/heat: Add DB model for resource graph and also persist the graph https://review.openstack.org/128590 | 14:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed a change to openstack/heat: Functionality to read graph from db https://review.openstack.org/130182 | 14:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed a change to openstack/heat: Database model change for resource versioning https://review.openstack.org/124993 | 14:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Anant Patil proposed a change to openstack/heat: Convergence: Changes to remove backup stack. https://review.openstack.org/132262 | 14:22 |
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| SpamapS | pfreund_: no. It is like innodb_buffer_pool_size. It is sized to the smallest engines you ever expect to deploy. If you lower it below the size of the biggest collection, the biggest collection will just be unable to create new stacks. | 14:29 |
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| SpamapS | pfreund_: it is not ideal, and there's also the issue of db rows eventually becoming expensive, but that would be in the many thousands per many thousands of users. I don't think a whole API to prevent having too many DB rows is really important when you can likely just set the limit for your expected growth per user and resize your engines whenever you want to raise or lower the limit. | 14:35 |
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| pfreund_ | SpamapS: "resize your engines" mean to change configuration and restart the service ? | 14:38 |
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| pfreund_ | well to be clear about the use cas, it's creating a tenant behind a marketplace, using Helion Commercial (with support and production constraint) | 14:39 |
| pfreund_ | usecase sorry | 14:39 |
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| SpamapS | pfreund_: sure. My point is, just raise it for everybody. Nothing will break. | 14:51 |
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| pfreund_ | oh yes ok | 14:52 |
| pfreund_ | SpamapS: I'm trying to find where to change it. I can only see this parameter in https://github.com/openstack/heat/blob/master/heat/common/config.py | 14:53 |
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| pfreund_ | is it hidden somewhere in a conf file ? | 14:53 |
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| shardy | pfreund_: it's max_stacks_per_tenant in heat.conf | 14:53 |
| pfreund_ | ok thanks | 14:54 |
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| pas-ha | ok guys, I'm signing off, see some of you in Paris next week :) | 16:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | Tetiana Lashchova proposed a change to openstack/heat: Deny to create stack on an openstack which doesn't have Neutron https://review.openstack.org/132305 | 17:05 |
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