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| Qiming_ | zaneb ? | 01:10 |
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| Qiming_ | stevebaker, there? | 01:25 |
| stevebaker | Qiming_: hi | 01:25 |
| Qiming_ | hi, stevebaker, how far are we today from turning convergence on in production environment? | 01:26 |
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| Qiming_ | oh, it is too big a question ... | 01:26 |
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| stevebaker | yeah, big question | 01:26 |
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| Qiming_ | let me try put it this way: all ingredients for trying out convergence have landed? | 01:27 |
| stevebaker | I would encourage people who run production environments to try convergence in a non-production environment to see if it meets their needs | 01:27 |
| stevebaker | Qiming_: yes, apart from all the bugs we don't know about yet, there should be enough convergence there to be useful when enabled | 01:28 |
| Qiming_ | so, feature wise, it is already there, stability wise, it takes time, as always | 01:28 |
| Qiming_ | thanks, stevebaker, I'll encourge our teams to try it | 01:29 |
| stevebaker | phase 1 features are there, which is basically concurrent stack updates, and spread stack load across all servers | 01:29 |
| Qiming_ | okay, continue | 01:29 |
| stevebaker | *actual convergence* hasn't been done yet (observing reality vs desired template) | 01:29 |
| Qiming_ | ah I see | 01:29 |
| Qiming_ | that will the big thing for Mitaka, :) | 01:30 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: Grenade: Run heat_integrationtests instead of tempest smoke https://review.openstack.org/209890 | 05:26 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/heat: Imported Translations from Zanata https://review.openstack.org/228118 | 06:08 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed openstack/heat: Convergence: Fix to use cache_data for FnGetRefId (1) https://review.openstack.org/226663 | 06:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: Grenade: Run heat_integrationtests instead of tempest smoke https://review.openstack.org/209890 | 06:39 |
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| AJaeger | heat team, could you import translations again, please? https://review.openstack.org/228118 | 07:09 |
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| skraynev | AJaeger: as soon as gate will be fixed. we have issue with ceilometer project decoupling | 08:32 |
| sirushti | skraynev, not just that, we've got issues in tempest and Heat too with the recent change in devstack disabling cinder v1 api. the project-config change is merged btw! | 08:33 |
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| sirushti | ramishra, Hi, around? | 08:35 |
| skraynev | sirushti: yes. I have seen issue with cinder mentioned by you. However I also see on last patches issue with ceilometer alarms | 08:36 |
| skraynev | sirushti: I posted comment about it in bug | 08:36 |
| ramishra | sirushti: hi | 08:36 |
| skraynev | https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1500715/comments/2 | 08:36 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1500715 in heat "ERROR: Service ceilometer does not have required endpoint in service catalog for the resource type OS::Ceilometer::Alarm" [Critical,Triaged] - Assigned to Rabi Mishra (rabi) | 08:36 |
| sirushti | skraynev, This might fix failing tempest tests - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228785/ We'll have to wait for jenkins | 08:36 |
| skraynev | sirushti: I think, that ceilometer now do not add necessary endpoint.. but I may be wrong. let's see on Jenkins result for your fix related with cinder issue (if it fails for ceilometer too - we need to think about fixing it again) | 08:38 |
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| openstackgerrit | Cedric Brandily proposed openstack/heat: Use oslo.middleware SSLMiddleware https://review.openstack.org/225277 | 08:39 |
| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: Use Cinder v2 api in integration tests https://review.openstack.org/228791 | 08:43 |
| sirushti | ramishra, re:bug 1500714 I've just tried something, feel free to take it over^ | 08:43 |
| openstack | bug 1500714 in heat "publicURL endpoint for volume service in RegionOne region not found" [High,Triaged] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1500714 - Assigned to Rabi Mishra (rabi) | 08:43 |
| sirushti | ramishra, oops, wrong patch | 08:44 |
| ramishra | I've the patch ready, just doing the tests. We should use v2 endpoint for integration tests. | 08:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Sirushti Murugesan proposed openstack/heat: Use Cinder v2 api in integration tests https://review.openstack.org/228791 | 08:45 |
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| sirushti | ramishra, sure, I've just uploaded this patch^ to mostly test tempest and get jenkins result | 08:48 |
| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Change cinder client version to 2 for integration tests https://review.openstack.org/228796 | 08:48 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed openstack/heat: Convergence: Fix to use cache_data for FnGetRefId (2) https://review.openstack.org/228798 | 08:57 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rakesh H S proposed openstack/heat: Convergence: Fix to use cache_data for FnGetRefId (3) https://review.openstack.org/226668 | 08:59 |
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| sirushti | skraynev, ramishra It seems like the ceilometer failure is gone now -> http://logs.openstack.org/79/226879/1/check/gate-heat-dsvm-functional-orig-mysql/54ab78c//console.html#_2015-09-29_08_48_20_025 | 09:04 |
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| skraynev | sirushti: is it your patch or intoduced by rabi? | 09:15 |
| skraynev | *introduced | 09:15 |
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| skraynev | sirushti: you are right. | 09:17 |
| skraynev | sirushti: checked this one https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228586/ | 09:17 |
| skraynev | looks like alarm issue is fixed | 09:17 |
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| sirushti | skraynev, mine's just for testing Tempest with a depends-on, it'll be abandoned. Rabi now has put a patch up for the heat-dsvm gate. It'll need a depends-on too! | 09:22 |
| skraynev | sirushti: ok. let's wait Jenkins results | 09:23 |
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| ramishra | sirushti: it seems the tempest-dsvm-heat failures are still there. | 10:09 |
| sirushti | ramishra, yeah, bumping the client version for cinder in tempest didn't seem to work. It seems there's more rework needed, so I skipped them for now! | 10:11 |
| ramishra | ok:) | 10:13 |
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| ramishra | skraynev: around? | 12:55 |
| skraynev | ramishra: yes | 12:59 |
| skraynev | shardy: I have added explanation for bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/heat/+bug/1497274 , but have not tried to reproduce it on devstack yet | 13:00 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1497274 in heat "Creation of stack with WaitCondition/WaitHandle resources periodically fails because of concurrent transactions" [High,Triaged] - Assigned to Peter Razumovsky (prazumovsky) | 13:00 |
| ramishra | skraynev:, sirushti: I think I got the issue with the api tests. | 13:00 |
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| ramishra | pushed a patch https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228881/, should we change the depends-on and try this patch? | 13:01 |
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| shardy | skraynev: Hmm, if we're overwriting the metadata like that then something is seriously wrong with our locking :( | 13:04 |
| sirushti | ramishra, yes please! :) Thanks! | 13:04 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rabi Mishra proposed openstack/heat: Change cinder client version to 2 for integration tests https://review.openstack.org/228796 | 13:06 |
| skraynev | shardy: I don't think, that we have any locking for such writes.. also it looks like delay between get fresh data writing, and in this delay another signal write his metadata | 13:06 |
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| skraynev | ramishra: yeah. looks good for me. Hope, that it will fix | 13:09 |
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| pas-ha | is the window for rc2 is open? have -2 from Thiery on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/227244/ | 13:39 |
| pas-ha | or better, merge this one in master and stable/liberty ;) https://review.openstack.org/#/c/218929/ | 13:40 |
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| jordanP | hi | 15:01 |
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| jordanP | is someone working on that tempest test failure ? | 15:02 |
| jordanP | is someone updating https://review.openstack.org/#/c/228881/2 ? | 15:02 |
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| daneyon_ | shardy stevebaker SpamapS et al, the magnum community is looking at front-ending heat templates with jinja templates to provide conditional logic. It would be helpful for you to provide your input to the review. https://review.openstack.org/#/c/ and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/210169/ | 16:28 |
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| shardy | daneyon_: Interesting, I don't actually see the jinja part in those links tho | 16:31 |
| shardy | daneyon_: Could you pls start a ML thread about it? | 16:31 |
| shardy | daneyon_: I know we've discussed the conditional/templating thing re HOT a few times now, and dismissed it for a variety of reasons - this is probably a good opportunity to at least revisit that discussion | 16:32 |
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| daneyon_ | shardy et al here is the correct url: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/211771/ | 16:32 |
| shardy | daneyon_: AWS do conditionals now so one could argue our CFN compatible API should support them, at which point it becomes harder to resist adding them to the native DSL | 16:33 |
| daneyon_ | shardy I think it would be a big help for magnum's case to support conditional logic. | 16:33 |
| shardy | daneyon_: FWIW, looking at that link it seems like a lot of the requirements are really similar to TripleO | 16:34 |
| shardy | e.g composing a heat deployment based on multiple possible environments and implementations | 16:35 |
| shardy | we've found that provider resources and the resource_registry are a very powerful way to achieve that for TripleO | 16:35 |
| shardy | has that approach been considered for magnum? | 16:35 |
| daneyon_ | shardy that is correct | 16:35 |
| shardy | daneyon_: also, we're looking at adding enhanced composability features to further enable the tripleo composability model (as well as TOSCA composition paradigms) | 16:36 |
| daneyon_ | shardy I think it's a lack of understanding provider resources, regisrty, etc.. | 16:36 |
| shardy | It'd be good to ensure we're not working on two solutions to the same problem in paralell ;) | 16:36 |
| daneyon_ | shardy what resources do you recommend for looking into provider resources, etc.. | 16:37 |
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| shardy | daneyon_: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/heat/template_guide/composition.html | 16:37 |
| daneyon_ | shardy agreed. | 16:37 |
| daneyon_ | shardy let me review the link | 16:38 |
| shardy | daneyon_: http://hardysteven.blogspot.co.uk/ has a bunch of content related to how TripleO does things too, including a primer on provider resoures | 16:38 |
| shardy | daneyon_: also the Heat "beyond the basics" talk from Paris: | 16:38 |
| daneyon_ | shardy here are the magnum templates: https://github.com/openstack/magnum/tree/master/magnum/templates | 16:38 |
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| shardy | https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fw0JhywwA1E | 16:38 |
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| shardy | daneyon_: https://github.com/hardys/demo_templates/tree/master/kilo_summit_heat_beyond_the_basics/example1_provider_environment | 16:39 |
| shardy | that has a very simple screncast example too | 16:39 |
| daneyon_ | shardy magnum supports 3 container orchestration engines, kubernetes, docker swarm and mesos. Each has it's own grouping of heat templates. | 16:39 |
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| SpamapS | Yeah, shardy has this nailed. You don't need a template language or a terrible python generator to make your templates. | 16:39 |
| SpamapS | You just need a copy of shardy's brain. | 16:40 |
| SpamapS | :-D | 16:40 |
| shardy | heh | 16:40 |
| shardy | daneyon_: I'll leave a comment on the review, but it may be a good idea to start a ML thread too, so we can share more general ideas on how to best implement this | 16:40 |
| shardy | daneyon_: FWIW I think it's a solved problem and the jinja thing will turn into a maintainability issue fairly quickly | 16:41 |
| shardy | daneyon_: but if that proves not to be the case, we can discuss heat features to support Magnum usage | 16:41 |
| daneyon_ | shardy i.e. kubernetes has different templates for the different OS distros (Atomic, Coreos, etc..). Their is significant overlap between these. The magnum community decided that front-ending the heat templates with jinja would provide conditional logic and reduce the # of templates. | 16:42 |
| shardy | daneyon_: So you extract the overlapping common parts, and put them in a nested stack | 16:42 |
| shardy | daneyon_: then, you reuse that chunk of logic via an alias elsewhere, e.g OS::Magnum::Foo | 16:42 |
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| shardy | daneyon_: that is the pattern which is used (successfully) throughout TripleO | 16:43 |
| daneyon_ | shardy 3 years back I did a lot of work with Puppet. We were using a ton of composition to make puppet work. The multiple layers of composition became very difficult to deal with. | 16:43 |
| shardy | https://github.com/openstack/tripleo-heat-templates/blob/master/overcloud-resource-registry-puppet.yaml | 16:43 |
| shardy | daneyon_: there's an example, you end up with an environment file, and the resource_registry is used to select the implementation for the type aliases | 16:44 |
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| shardy | daneyon_: The heat composition model isn't perfect, but it's relatively simple | 16:45 |
| daneyon_ | shardy why do you think it's more beneficial to use composition instead of implementing conditional logic in heat templates? | 16:45 |
| shardy | at least it's worth checking out before layering logic on top of the templates | 16:45 |
| shardy | daneyon_: because it's conceptually simpler and it's easier to test | 16:46 |
| shardy | each heat template does one thing, and the nested templates can be developed/tested/maintained independently of those which use them | 16:46 |
| daneyon_ | shardy I think it would be beneficial for the heat community to chime-in on the reviews that I shared. | 16:46 |
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| shardy | the alternative (as we discovered with tripleo's mergepy tool) is one gigantic template which is hard to maintain | 16:46 |
| daneyon_ | shardy that's understandable | 16:47 |
| daneyon_ | shardy let me spend time digging through all the resources you provided. I appreciate it. | 16:48 |
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| stevebaker | morning | 20:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Rob Pothier proposed openstack/heat: Update Baymodel in Magnum resources https://review.openstack.org/229143 | 20:43 |
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| manishg | hi folks, I'm looking at the heat code and trying to understand the rationale behind having another layer of scheduler on top of eventlet. I see a scheduler.py and wonder why the tasks (from a stack template) cannot be each dispatched to a separate thread (as-per dependencies)? | 21:40 |
| manishg | It seems like this was already discussed a while back. I found this - http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/event/ced7d22ac4c037f102b3cf3ade553104#.VgmY8s47SLw | 21:40 |
| manishg | which is the etherpad for http://icehousedesignsummit.sched.org/event/ced7d22ac4c037f102b3cf3ade553104#.VgmY8s47SLw . Any idea what happened to action items | 21:40 |
| manishg | from the etherpad? | 21:40 |
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| manishg | I'm trying to evaluate if heat for our deployments (here at yahoo). | 21:48 |
| manishg | s/if // | 21:48 |
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| manishg | looking at the history of the file, it seems zaneb is the main contributor and not touched much by others besides some fixes. | 21:53 |
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| stevebaker | manishg: yep, you'll be wanting to talk to zaneb, but its a bit late for him | 22:34 |
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| manishg | stevebaker: thanks. will talk to zaneb tomorrow. | 23:39 |
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