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| sab | What does murano use for presistence? | 06:10 |
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| sergmelikyan | sab, what do you mean by persistence? | 06:33 |
| sergmelikyan | If you are talking about where Murano stores different bits about state of the deployed apps and uploaded packages and so on - it is any RDBMS supported by SQLAlchemy, SQLAlchemy is used as ORM in Murano. | 06:34 |
| sergmelikyan | But migrations tested only against SQLite & MySQL | 06:34 |
| sergmelikyan | So usually in production it is MySQL | 06:35 |
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| sab | sergmelikyan, I beleive each environment is associated with a session, are these session data stored in RDBMS or temporary files? | 06:38 |
| sergmelikyan | There is two types of session in Murano: backend session & UI session. Each of them stored in own database. | 06:39 |
| sergmelikyan | I believe you are interested in backend one: https://github.com/stackforge/murano-api/blob/master/muranoapi/db/models.py#L131 | 06:40 |
| sergmelikyan | It is a mapping class for SQLAlchemy that represents session object | 06:41 |
| sergmelikyan | sab, if you are interested in details how session is used Murano, ping me :) | 06:41 |
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| sab | sergmelikyan, thanks..absolutely I would be interested :) | 06:44 |
| sergmelikyan | sab, sorry, searched for some docs about session but could not find them :( | 06:48 |
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| sergmelikyan | So we use session a lot like transactions in ordinar databases | 06:48 |
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| sergmelikyan | When user userA tries to edit state of environment envA, session object is created. | 06:49 |
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| sergmelikyan | All changes made to envA by userA are stored in session 'sessionA'. | 06:50 |
| sab | sergmelikyan, Thats okay, I will see if I can contribute some docs on sessions :) | 06:51 |
| sab | will each environment be associated to one tenant? is it a one-to-one relation | 06:52 |
| sergmelikyan | Untill envA is not deployed, any changes made by userA are transient and does not visible to enyone except userA. | 06:52 |
| sergmelikyan | If any other user, for example userB will try to edit envA, new session object sessionB will be created for userB. | 06:53 |
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| sergmelikyan | At this point we have two different sessions open with two different set of changes made to the envA. | 06:53 |
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| sergmelikyan | We could not reliable merge changes done by two users, so we decided to use 'first win' strategy. First user that will start deployment wins. Changes made by others will be lost. | 06:55 |
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| sergmelikyan | So if userB will start deployment first, sessionB will change state from open to deploying, and all other sessions opened for envA will be marked as invalid. Once deployment started for envA no session may be opened for this envA till it finished deployment. | 06:57 |
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| sergmelikyan | Once deployment finished changes tracked in sessionB will be transfered to envA. | 06:57 |
| sergmelikyan | sessionB will have state deployed and may not be used anymore to track changes. | 06:58 |
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| sergmelikyan | sab, each tenant may have many environments | 06:59 |
| sergmelikyan | many to one relation (many envs one tenant) | 06:59 |
| sergmelikyan | sab, https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3F5XCmYtnRdWDdET1EzX2xIeWs/edit | 07:00 |
| sergmelikyan | You may be interested - it is a small demo for Murano v0.5 | 07:00 |
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| sergmelikyan | sab, http://www.mirantis.com/blog/murano-0-4-brings-metadata-repository-neutron-support/ | 07:02 |
| sergmelikyan | sab, http://www.mirantis.com/blog/murano-v0-3-lets-you-deploy-linux-applications/ | 07:02 |
| sergmelikyan | Demos for 0.4 and 0.3 version | 07:02 |
| sergmelikyan | May give you a little taste what Murano is like. We can try to deploy Murano together if you still have issues with devstack scripts for Murano. | 07:03 |
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| sab | sergmelikyan, with respect to userA and userB editing envA , why dont we consider it as two different environment, may be make one as a new environment as envA-1, because changes made by two users make it two distinct environments? | 07:05 |
| sab | sergmelikyan, I installed it with devstack scripts in murano-api repo. it works. But it did not install murano repository. | 07:07 |
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| sergmelikyan | sab, murano-repository is a part of murano-api from 0.5 | 07:10 |
| sab | sergmelikyan, okay. my murano is version 0.4.1, however I am upgrading to icehouse from havana today. | 07:12 |
| sergmelikyan | sab, for 0.4 you should use this scripts: https://github.com/stackforge/murano-deployment/tree/release-0.4/devstack-scripts | 07:13 |
| sergmelikyan | But there may be issues :( | 07:14 |
| sergmelikyan | sab, about feature that you are talking about, do I get correctly: if userA tries to deploy his envA and envA is already deployd/deploying propose to create new environment envA-1? | 07:14 |
| sab | sergmelikyan, yes. you got it right | 07:15 |
| sergmelikyan | It is not so easy to implement, but may be done. Feel free to propose blueprint for this feature, looks very reasonable feature. | 07:16 |
| sab | sergmelikyan, murano-deployment scripts was referencing to a "heat-horizon" repository which does not exist any more? | 07:17 |
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| sab | sergmelikyan, yeah sure I will do that | 07:17 |
| sergmelikyan | sab, I am not sure :( Scripts were introduced very late in last days of 0.4, so have no time to try them. If you are feeling strong that you need 0.4.1 - we may join with dteselkin to debug and fix them if there any issues. | 07:18 |
| sergmelikyan | But I propose to move 0.5 :) | 07:18 |
| sergmelikyan | *move to | 07:19 |
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| sab | sergmelikyan, I am moving on with 0.5 :) | 07:21 |
| sergmelikyan | 0.5 is MVP of Application Catalog and has many new features and is current version on Murano. I am not sure, but I expect that versions prior 0.5 will receive only critical security fixes | 07:21 |
| sergmelikyan | sab, cool :) | 07:21 |
| sergmelikyan | dteselkin_, please reflect in our devstack scripts that we need Horizon with this fix: https://review.openstack.org/82833 | 07:24 |
| sergmelikyan | It is available only in Juno :( But 0.5 is targeted to IceHouse, I believe we should apply this patch manually | 07:24 |
| sergmelikyan | For IceHouse respectively | 07:25 |
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| sergmelikyan | sab, https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/486062/Session%20Handling%20Blueprint.docx | 07:50 |
| sergmelikyan | sab, if you interested in deep session related details :) | 07:50 |
| sergmelikyan | may be a little outdated | 07:50 |
| sab | sergmelikyan, looks good. | 07:55 |
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| dteselkin_ | sergmelikyan, thanks, I'll add the patch | 08:03 |
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| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, what do you think about creating bug to move Statistics page from Manage panel? | 08:21 |
| sergmelikyan | And possibly to rename Manage to something else? | 08:21 |
| katyafervent | Statistic page is already under Manage | 08:22 |
| katyafervent | Oh, you want to move it to deployment? | 08:22 |
| katyafervent | Billing information will be at Statistic page, does the user need that info - I guess so | 08:23 |
| sergmelikyan | katyafervent, possibly... I think we should have as simple UI as possible and after moving Statistics to Deployment we could safely disable Mange for simple users | 08:24 |
| sergmelikyan | But then we have question about Deployment panel... | 08:24 |
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| tsufiev_ | sergmelikyan, what is the question? | 09:26 |
| sergmelikyan | Why we call dasboard which has three panels: statistic, catalog, envs Deployment | 09:28 |
| sergmelikyan | We definetely should think about new name | 09:28 |
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| tsufiev_ | sergmelikyan, 'Applications' ? | 09:49 |
| tsufiev_ | or: 'Deployment' -> 'Application Catalog', 'Application Catalog' -> 'Applications' | 09:50 |
| tsufiev_ | so, the will be 3 panels: Environments, Applications and Statistics | 09:50 |
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| sergmelikyan | tsufiev, looks good :) | 10:05 |
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| ruhe | weekly meeting will start in 20 minutes at #openstack-meeting-alt | 16:43 |
| ruhe | please take a look at the agenda before the meeting https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/MuranoAgenda | 16:44 |
| ruhe | it's bigger than usual | 16:45 |
| ruhe | meeting starts in a minute | 17:01 |
| ruhe | at #openstack-meeting-alt | 17:01 |
| sergmelikyan | julienvey, Hi :) May be you will be interested in Murano 0.5 demo, please take a look at: https://drive.google.com/a/mirantis.com/file/d/0B3F5XCmYtnRdWDdET1EzX2xIeWs/edit | 17:01 |
| julienvey | sergmelikyan: that's exactly what I was looking for =P | 17:03 |
| julienvey | sergmelikyan: thanks! | 17:03 |
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| sjmc7 | thanks for getting through everything | 18:01 |
| sergmelikyan | It was very intense :) | 18:02 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: thank you for the list. it's great to have real-worl usecases | 18:02 |
| igormarnat | sjm7: thank you! | 18:02 |
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| slagun | I'd like to suggest several DSL improvements to be included in 0.5 | 18:02 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: btw, did read that thread about Murano, Heat and TOSCA | 18:02 |
| ruhe | ? | 18:02 |
| sjmc7 | no problem. i appreciate your receptiveness | 18:02 |
| igormarnat | We'll need to allocate more time to discuss an approach and first steps towards Tosca and Misral | 18:02 |
| sergmelikyan | Let's discuss any technical details in IRC any time, and decide to call for some feature-specific meetings after some draft is available | 18:02 |
| sjmc7 | ruhe - yeah, i have been following it a bit. i think HP has been pushing TOSCA pretty hard | 18:03 |
| igormarnat | slagun, are you sure you mean 0.5? | 18:03 |
| slagun | yes. They are small but important | 18:04 |
| slagun | 1. Rename Workflows to Methods in MuranoPL | 18:04 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: i'd like to have more feedback on TOSCA from people running production catalogues. there is an interesting thread "[openstack-dev] [Heat] Design summit preparation - Next steps for Heat Software Orchestration" | 18:04 |
| slagun | 2. Make images be a class object rather than string value | 18:04 |
| sjmc7 | i know one of the people working on that in Heat works at HP and will be at the summit | 18:05 |
| igormarnat | slagun, are there bug ids? | 18:06 |
| sjmc7 | ruhe - what in particular are you interested in? | 18:06 |
| sjmc7 | requirements? experience? | 18:07 |
| igormarnat | sjmc7: I think there are several questions for us, one of important is workflows | 18:07 |
| sergmelikyan | slagun, we have pretty limited time for 0.5: IceHouse is released and a few days till summit... | 18:07 |
| ruhe | sjmc7: TOSCA seems like a nice fit for static things, but i'd like to have more examples/documentation about dynamic things - workflows and events (lifecycle) | 18:07 |
| sjmc7 | igormarnat - yeah. i know there's been a lot of discussion about overlaps in murano/mistral/heat | 18:07 |
| sjmc7 | as far as my experience goes, tosca is indeed just static things, so it'd be a replacement for HOT i guess | 18:08 |
| sjmc7 | i'm not sure what it gives you above HOT | 18:08 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, May be we can we meet in Hangouts with you and guy you had mentioned? :) I think it will be much more productive. | 18:08 |
| igormarnat | yep, we are going to figure out what can be done using HOT/Tosca in combination with Mistral | 18:08 |
| sergmelikyan | TOSCA has workflows based on BPEL | 18:08 |
| sjmc7 | sergmelikyan - yeah, i can see when he's available | 18:09 |
| slagun | I think those 2 improvements would take 2-3 hours combined to implement but would eliminate many question that would arise otherwise | 18:09 |
| slagun | it is hard to explain why it is so important not to have 'w' in image name | 18:10 |
| sergmelikyan | slagun, if you have time let's discuss improvements you had mentioned - I may work on them at my free time. If we will finish them on time - good. | 18:10 |
| sergmelikyan | slagun, it is very important :) ativelkov commented this as "WTF?!" when saw :) | 18:10 |
| slagun | I know. That looks really awkward | 18:11 |
| igormarnat | sjmc7, btw, did you have a chance to take a look at scenarios which are missing in new DSL? | 18:12 |
| sjmc7 | igormarnat - no, i have not - i'm just getting to grips with the current DSL this week | 18:12 |
| sjmc7 | i was getting engine errors yesterday because it can't find the base classes so i need to get that straightened out first | 18:13 |
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| igormarnat | Ok, it's somewhat hard time - a lot of changes arriving | 18:14 |
| sergmelikyan | sjmc7, https://review.openstack.org/89576 fixed today :( So if you had imported io.murano from CLI this is the issue | 18:14 |
| sjmc7 | yeah, igormarnat - after the 0.5 release i'm hoping it'll be a bit more stable | 18:15 |
| sjmc7 | aaaah, that might be it sergmelikyan | 18:15 |
| sjmc7 | i was checking i hadn't done anything stupid before asking you guys :) | 18:15 |
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