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| ianw | mordred: when you're around, I think you still are one of the reigning authorities on these build bits :) I've put comments in https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/792312 showing the testing running, review if you have time appreciated :) | 04:12 |
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| openstackgerrit | Antoine Musso proposed opendev/bindep master: Ensure dpkg-query uses C/English https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/bindep/+/703055 | 10:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged opendev/irc-meetings master: Move Nova weekly meeting to Tuesday 16:00 UTC https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/irc-meetings/+/792454 | 14:16 |
| openstackgerrit | Riccardo Pittau proposed opendev/glean master: Add test dib on ubuntu focal https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/glean/+/792184 | 14:18 |
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| mordred | Btw ... Matrix is working on bridging with libera | 15:17 |
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| gtema | that's cool | 15:18 |
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| clarkb | fungi: if you get a chance can you review https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/792220 that is the last cleanup for the mailman ansible stuff | 15:51 |
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| fungi | oh, yup | 16:11 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Rabotyagov proposed opendev/system-config master: Add mirroring of Erlang Solutions repo https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/792651 | 16:12 |
| fungi | for some reason i thought i'd already reviewed it | 16:12 |
| openstackgerrit | Dmitriy Rabotyagov proposed opendev/system-config master: Add mirroring of Erlang Solutions repo https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/792651 | 16:15 |
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| dtantsur | clarkb: I'm tried of that ML thread, just wanted to clarify what I meant: I meant buying Matrix or something like that from a friendly FOSS vendor rather than putting a new service in your hands or hands of any other volunteers (incl. libera) | 16:17 |
| dtantsur | that's still a lot of work, I know it | 16:17 |
| clarkb | dtantsur: I undersatnd but someone would still need to rewrite all the bots, maintain those bots when they break (we know how they break against irc but don't have that experience with matrix), help new users with matrix while being new users ourselves etc | 16:17 |
| clarkb | its not just about running the server | 16:18 |
| dtantsur | yep, totally agreed | 16:18 |
| clarkb | also moderation | 16:18 |
| noonedeadpunk | Btw regarding Libera - have I missed talks about moving there from freenode? | 16:18 |
| clarkb | I'm mostly trying to say that things happen in this community because people do the work | 16:18 |
| dtantsur | I'm already sorry for starting this conversation. I should have known how it would end. | 16:18 |
| gtema | I am honestly not really sure we are in the possition - community is not agains of switching to it if it would be there | 16:18 |
| clarkb | the people who do the work today happen to be comfortable on irc, we recognize that it isn't perfect, but moving to matrix would greatly impact our ability to help anyone | 16:18 |
| clarkb | but until someone else shows up and asys we're doign the work I want to keep what we've currently got in some sort of viable state | 16:19 |
| clarkb | gtema: yes but SOMEONE has to get us there that was the whole point of my last email | 16:19 |
| clarkb | and literally no one is volunteering for anything which makes me feel like I'm being asked to do it | 16:19 |
| gtema | clarkb, we (in our team) decided today to try setting up own matrix server | 16:19 |
| dtantsur | It could be a community-wide initiative. Dunno. Maybe something for the TC to discuss. I'd like to help, but I cannot drive it. | 16:20 |
| gtema | it if goes well we might come with a potential solution for that | 16:20 |
| noonedeadpunk | ouch... that would be such a mess... With the same approach we may jsut go to each own slack | 16:20 |
| dtantsur | mmmm, I'm not sure we want our own server, to be honest.. but that's another story, and I've started THAT CONVERSATION again, so sorry again :) | 16:20 |
| noonedeadpunk | and that would be super frustrating imo | 16:20 |
| gtema | slack is not free, I don't understand why it appears without end in the discussion | 16:20 |
| * dtantsur wishes everyone a great weekend without any work-related messengers | 16:21 | |
| clarkb | I just want to get the discussiob back on track to "what do we do about freenode in the near term to address immediate concerns" | 16:21 |
| noonedeadpunk | well, ok, let's s/slack/mattermost/ if that would be comfortable... | 16:21 |
| gtema | I am relatively fine with matrix bridge. Not the "best" but is better then nothing | 16:21 |
| clarkb | if we want to talk about matrix then that is a compeltely separate issue that will take time and planning and buy in | 16:21 |
| clarkb | please stop conflating the two issues | 16:21 |
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| dtantsur | fair | 16:21 |
| gtema | ok | 16:22 |
| dtantsur | Honestly, I'm mentally past the point "we've migrated to OFTC" :) | 16:22 |
| clarkb | the discussions can happen concurrently but at the very least lets start a separate thread, see if people are actually interested in so on. Maybe the first step is documenting how to use the bridge | 16:22 |
| gtema | +1 | 16:22 |
| dtantsur | actually if gtema does PoC for his team, we can learn a lot | 16:22 |
| clarkb | then people can use riot (or whatever it is called now) and the weechat plugin and start getting their feet wet | 16:23 |
| dtantsur | I think this should be a topic for the next in-person forum/ptg. as the last slot on Thursday. | 16:23 |
| gtema | LOL | 16:23 |
| clarkb | dtantsur: I feel like "we've migrated to oftc" hasn't been widely accepted. Personally I think that is a reasonable move myself. | 16:23 |
| * dtantsur records his agreement with moving to oftc | 16:24 | |
| * gtema also | 16:24 | |
| noonedeadpunk | Well, personally for me moving to another IRC server is fine and fair move. But to make ppl do insane setups to be able to collaborate - that's just not fair | 16:24 |
| noonedeadpunk | And community is lacking new contributors coming | 16:25 |
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| clarkb | noonedeadpunk: right but as I've said that is a completely separate issue than the one in front of us. One that would take time to address whereas the immediate issue is more immediate | 16:25 |
| noonedeadpunk | and move to matrix might make things even worse imo | 16:25 |
| tosky | even worse? | 16:25 |
| clarkb | noonedeadpunk: yes that is one possibility and I think that should be discussed in a seoparate discussion is all I'm asking | 16:25 |
| clarkb | tosky: well it might alienate the people we do have | 16:25 |
| noonedeadpunk | yeah | 16:26 |
| dtantsur|afk | let's get a matrix channel to discuss matrix? </kidding> | 16:26 |
| clarkb | and if it doesn't magically fix the problem of bringing in new people you now have no people | 16:26 |
| tosky | clarkb: not if they can still use IRC | 16:26 |
| clarkb | tosky: sure, that is why the bridge seems like a good starting point | 16:26 |
| clarkb | (and we don't even need to deploy anything for peopel to use it aiui, they just connect to the main matrix servers and bridge through that) | 16:26 |
| noonedeadpunk | also last time I sued riot client it was soooooooo slow... It was kind of year ago so things might be improved dramatically... | 16:27 |
| tosky | noonedeadpunk: the fact it's not called "riot" may say something about its development | 16:27 |
| tosky | and it's not the only client | 16:27 |
| clarkb | they renamed it too because people didn't like the name | 16:27 |
| tosky | because one of the good thing of matrix.org is that the protocol and the implementation are not mixed up (like in rocket.chat and mattermost) | 16:28 |
| clarkb | Element is the new name of riot | 16:28 |
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| noonedeadpunk | ah ,well... | 16:28 |
| noonedeadpunk | I just actually dropped it and felt so relived... And never wanted to come back to using it :) | 16:28 |
| noonedeadpunk | *relieved | 16:29 |
| noonedeadpunk | But I for some reason completely have missed ML thread regarding it... Isn't it to [all]? | 16:30 |
| clarkb | noonedeadpunk: it is not tagged | 16:31 |
| clarkb | you should probably filter untagged messages as equivalent to [all] | 16:31 |
| noonedeadpunk | doh.... | 16:31 |
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| noonedeadpunk | ok, thread went to just holivar pretty soon | 16:40 |
| noonedeadpunk | *holy war | 16:40 |
| fungi | there are two different primary threads in fact | 16:43 |
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| noonedeadpunk | why threads are bad and what we should do with regards to freenode clinic death? | 16:43 |
| noonedeadpunk | but yeah | 16:44 |
| noonedeadpunk | I'd say we should really have backup plan in place asap, and looking over it now, most opinions were in favor of leaving IRC in some form ? | 16:45 |
| clarkb | noonedeadpunk: yes, but leaving IRC is not really a viable "immediate" solution hence my attempts to steer back towards what do we do this week | 16:47 |
| clarkb | fungi is workin on a more viable backup right now (and should hit the ml soon) | 16:47 |
| noonedeadpunk | Also I think we more need it in case of emergency? As eventually, except of a sense of solidarity, we don't super risk of data exposure or being "sold" - we store all archives openly on eavesdrop (ofc except pms :( ) | 16:49 |
| noonedeadpunk | as if network will operate - we can "live" with that till PTL or more proper solution will be made | 16:50 |
| noonedeadpunk | *PTG | 16:50 |
| fungi | heading out to an appointment now, back soonish | 16:50 |
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| clarkb | fungi: I know its friday and we probably shouldn't expect much no your thread, but there haven't been any responses yet. Assuming we don't hear any yays or nays should we adopt a formal position ourselves? | 22:48 |
| clarkb | fungi: for me personally I would prefer oftc | 22:48 |
| fungi | there has actually been a response so far... | 22:49 |
| clarkb | oh? I must've msised it then | 22:49 |
| fungi | on the kata-dev mailing list to the post i made there asking people to follow up to service discuss :/ | 22:50 |
| clarkb | oh to kata | 22:50 |
| clarkb | ya I wasn't looking there because you told people to followup on the main thread :) | 22:50 |
| fungi | http://lists.katacontainers.io/pipermail/kata-dev/2021-May/001923.html | 22:50 |
| fungi | i've already replied to it at length | 22:51 |
| clarkb | yup caught up now | 22:51 |
| fungi | i'm kinda hoping to see the openstack tc to come to some consensus | 22:53 |
| fungi | as to what the openstack community would prefer to do | 22:54 |
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| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Switch ethercalc over to a LE cert https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/792708 | 23:03 |
| clarkb | I'll WIP that because I haven't updated DNS yet | 23:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Cleanup puppet things from zuul where we don't puppet anymore https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/792709 | 23:15 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Drop logstash filter jobs https://review.opendev.org/c/openstack/project-config/+/792710 | 23:27 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Remove system-config-legacy-logstash-filters job https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/792247 | 23:28 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Cleanup puppet things from zuul where we don't puppet anymore https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/792709 | 23:43 |
| openstackgerrit | Clark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Remove system-config-legacy-logstash-filters job https://review.opendev.org/c/opendev/system-config/+/792247 | 23:43 |
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