Friday, 2021-05-21

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ianwmordred: when you're around, I think you still are one of the reigning authorities on these build bits :)  I've put comments in showing the testing running, review if you have time appreciated :)04:12
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openstackgerritIan Wienand proposed openstack/diskimage-builder master: Use containers for functional testing
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openstackgerritAntoine Musso proposed opendev/bindep master: Ensure dpkg-query uses C/English
openstackgerritTristan Cacqueray proposed zuul/zuul-jobs master: Add ansible-lint job
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openstackgerritMerged opendev/irc-meetings master: Move Nova weekly meeting to Tuesday 16:00 UTC
openstackgerritRiccardo Pittau proposed opendev/glean master: Add test dib on ubuntu focal
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mordredBtw ... Matrix is working on bridging with libera15:17
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gtemathat's cool15:18
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clarkbfungi: if you get a chance can you review that is the last cleanup for the mailman ansible stuff15:51
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fungioh, yup16:11
openstackgerritDmitriy Rabotyagov proposed opendev/system-config master: Add mirroring of Erlang Solutions repo
fungifor some reason i thought i'd already reviewed it16:12
openstackgerritDmitriy Rabotyagov proposed opendev/system-config master: Add mirroring of Erlang Solutions repo
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dtantsurclarkb: I'm tried of that ML thread, just wanted to clarify what I meant: I meant buying Matrix or something like that from a friendly FOSS vendor rather than putting a new service in your hands or hands of any other volunteers (incl. libera)16:17
dtantsurthat's still a lot of work, I know it16:17
clarkbdtantsur: I undersatnd but someone would still need to rewrite all the bots, maintain those bots when they break (we know how they break against irc but don't have that experience with matrix), help new users with matrix while being new users ourselves etc16:17
clarkbits not just about running the server16:18
dtantsuryep, totally agreed16:18
clarkbalso moderation16:18
noonedeadpunkBtw regarding Libera - have I missed talks about moving there from freenode?16:18
clarkbI'm mostly trying to say that things happen in this community because people do the work16:18
dtantsurI'm already sorry for starting this conversation. I should have known how it would end.16:18
gtemaI am honestly not really sure we are in the possition - community is not agains of switching to it if it would be there16:18
clarkbthe people who do the work today happen to be comfortable on irc, we recognize that it isn't perfect, but moving to matrix would greatly impact our ability to help anyone16:18
clarkbbut until someone else shows up and asys we're doign the work I want to keep what we've currently got in some sort of viable state16:19
clarkbgtema: yes but SOMEONE has to get us there that was the whole point of my last email16:19
clarkband literally no one is volunteering for anything which makes me feel like I'm being asked to do it16:19
gtemaclarkb, we (in our team) decided today to try setting up own matrix server16:19
dtantsurIt could be a community-wide initiative. Dunno. Maybe something for the TC to discuss. I'd like to help, but I cannot drive it.16:20
gtemait if goes well we might come with a potential solution for that16:20
noonedeadpunkouch... that would be such a mess... With the same approach we may jsut go to each own slack16:20
dtantsurmmmm, I'm not sure we want our own server, to be honest.. but that's another story, and I've started THAT CONVERSATION again, so sorry again :)16:20
noonedeadpunkand that would be super frustrating imo16:20
gtemaslack is not free, I don't understand why it appears without end in the discussion16:20
* dtantsur wishes everyone a great weekend without any work-related messengers16:21
clarkbI just want to get the discussiob back on track to "what do we do about freenode in the near term to address immediate concerns"16:21
noonedeadpunkwell, ok, let's s/slack/mattermost/ if that would be comfortable...16:21
gtemaI am relatively fine with matrix bridge. Not the "best" but is better then nothing16:21
clarkbif we want to talk about matrix then that is a compeltely separate issue that will take time and planning and buy in16:21
clarkbplease stop conflating the two issues16:21
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dtantsurHonestly, I'm mentally past the point "we've migrated to OFTC" :)16:22
clarkbthe discussions can happen concurrently but at the very least lets start a separate thread, see if people are actually interested in so on. Maybe the first step is documenting how to use the bridge16:22
dtantsuractually if gtema does PoC for his team, we can learn a lot16:22
clarkbthen people can use riot (or whatever it is called now) and the weechat plugin and start getting their feet wet16:23
dtantsurI think this should be a topic for the next in-person forum/ptg. as the last slot on Thursday.16:23
clarkbdtantsur: I feel like "we've migrated to oftc" hasn't been widely accepted. Personally I think that is a reasonable move myself.16:23
* dtantsur records his agreement with moving to oftc16:24
* gtema also16:24
noonedeadpunkWell, personally for me moving to another IRC server is fine and fair move. But to make ppl do insane setups to be able to collaborate - that's just not fair16:24
noonedeadpunkAnd community is lacking new contributors coming16:25
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clarkbnoonedeadpunk: right but as I've said that is a completely separate issue than the one in front of us. One that would take time to address whereas the immediate issue is more immediate16:25
noonedeadpunkand move to matrix might make things even worse imo16:25
toskyeven worse?16:25
clarkbnoonedeadpunk: yes that is one possibility and I think that should be discussed in a seoparate discussion is all I'm asking16:25
clarkbtosky: well it might alienate the people we do have16:25
dtantsur|afklet's get a matrix channel to discuss matrix? </kidding>16:26
clarkband if it doesn't magically fix the problem of bringing in new people you now have no people16:26
toskyclarkb: not if they can still use IRC16:26
clarkbtosky: sure, that is why the bridge seems like a good starting point16:26
clarkb(and we don't even need to deploy anything for peopel to use it aiui, they just connect to the main matrix servers and bridge through that)16:26
noonedeadpunkalso last time I sued riot client it was soooooooo slow... It was kind of year ago so things might be improved dramatically...16:27
toskynoonedeadpunk: the fact it's not called "riot" may say something about its development16:27
toskyand it's not the only client16:27
clarkbthey renamed it too because people didn't like the name16:27
toskybecause one of the good thing of is that the protocol and the implementation are not mixed up (like in and mattermost)16:28
clarkbElement is the new name of riot16:28
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noonedeadpunkah ,well...16:28
noonedeadpunkI just actually dropped it and felt so relived... And never wanted to come back to using it :)16:28
noonedeadpunkBut I for some reason completely have missed ML thread regarding it... Isn't it to [all]?16:30
clarkbnoonedeadpunk: it is not tagged16:31
clarkbyou should probably filter untagged messages as equivalent to [all]16:31
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noonedeadpunkok, thread went to just holivar pretty soon16:40
noonedeadpunk*holy war16:40
fungithere are two different primary threads in fact16:43
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noonedeadpunkwhy threads are bad and what we should do with regards to freenode clinic death?16:43
noonedeadpunkbut yeah16:44
noonedeadpunkI'd say we should really have backup plan in place asap, and looking over it now, most opinions were in favor of leaving IRC in some form ?16:45
clarkbnoonedeadpunk: yes, but leaving IRC is not really a viable "immediate" solution hence my attempts to steer back towards what do we do this week16:47
clarkbfungi is workin on a more viable backup right now (and should hit the ml soon)16:47
noonedeadpunkAlso I think we more need it in case of emergency? As eventually, except of a sense of solidarity, we don't super risk of data exposure or being "sold" - we store all archives openly on eavesdrop (ofc except pms :( )16:49
noonedeadpunkas if network will operate - we can "live" with that till PTL or more proper solution will be made16:50
fungiheading out to an appointment now, back soonish16:50
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openstackgerritMerged opendev/system-config master: Cleanup mailman puppetry
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clarkbfungi: I know its friday and we probably shouldn't expect much no your thread, but there haven't been any responses yet. Assuming we don't hear any yays or nays should we adopt a formal position ourselves?22:48
clarkbfungi: for me personally I would prefer oftc22:48
fungithere has actually been a response so far...22:49
clarkboh? I must've msised it then22:49
fungion the kata-dev mailing list to the post i made there asking people to follow up to service discuss :/22:50
clarkboh to kata22:50
clarkbya I wasn't looking there because you told people to followup on the main thread :)22:50
fungii've already replied to it at length22:51
clarkbyup caught up now22:51
fungii'm kinda hoping to see the openstack tc to come to some consensus22:53
fungias to what the openstack community would prefer to do22:54
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openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Switch ethercalc over to a LE cert
clarkbI'll WIP that because I haven't updated DNS yet23:04
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Cleanup puppet things from zuul where we don't puppet anymore
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed openstack/project-config master: Drop logstash filter jobs
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Remove system-config-legacy-logstash-filters job
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Cleanup puppet things from zuul where we don't puppet anymore
openstackgerritClark Boylan proposed opendev/system-config master: Remove system-config-legacy-logstash-filters job
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