| spotz[m] | Meeting in 3 minutes | 13:57 |
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| fungi | i'll be there with bells on | 13:57 |
| fungi | well, maybe no bells this time | 13:58 |
| spotz[m] | hehe, we have a free form agenda anyways:) | 13:59 |
| spotz[m] | #startmeeting diversity-wg | 14:00 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Mar 12 14:00:51 2024 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:00 |
| opendevmeet | Useful Commands: #action #agreed #help #info #idea #link #topic #startvote. | 14:00 |
| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 14:00 |
| spotz[m] | #chair fungi | 14:01 |
| opendevmeet | Current chairs: fungi spotz[m] | 14:01 |
| spotz[m] | #topic Roll Call | 14:01 |
| fungi | heya | 14:01 |
| spotz[m] | I had 2 main things to discuss, PTG and lack of survey results | 14:03 |
| spotz[m] | Do we also want to talk about your fund raising ideas? | 14:03 |
| fungi | i also wanted to brainstorm survey promotion ideas | 14:03 |
| spotz[m] | Perfect | 14:03 |
| spotz[m] | So historically we have met on Monday, but do we want to just grab our normal Tuesday slot provided no conflicts? | 14:05 |
| spotz[m] | #topic PTG | 14:05 |
| fungi | we do have some slots for opendev i wanted to avoid conflicts with, lemme check | 14:09 |
| fungi | also sorry for the prolonged silence, i missed that you asked a question right before switching the topic rather than after | 14:10 |
| fungi | yeah, i have no conflicts at this time | 14:11 |
| fungi | sounds good to me | 14:12 |
| spotz[m] | Ok so Monday or Tuesday?:) | 14:15 |
| spotz[m] | And yeah I got out of order:( | 14:16 |
| fungi | yeah, i'm free 14-15z on both monday and tuesday | 14:16 |
| fungi | opendev's doing wednesday and thursday anyway | 14:17 |
| fungi | openstackl release team's on friday, and openstack tc is thursday/friday (so far) | 14:17 |
| fungi | and openstack security sig hasn't picked times yet but i'll make sure that doesn't conflict | 14:18 |
| spotz[m] | Ha we actually have our meeting that week! So why don't we just go with that? | 14:18 |
| fungi | perfect. it's been decided for us | 14:19 |
| spotz[m] | Yep, ok I'll grab that slot as soon as I find the bot commands:) | 14:20 |
| spotz[m] | Anything else on this topic? | 14:20 |
| fungi | nothing from me | 14:20 |
| spotz[m] | #topic Diversity Survey | 14:21 |
| fungi | on promoting it, we've mentioned it in a recent foundation newsletter, but should do more | 14:23 |
| fungi | i can send something to the foundation mailing list and/or project mailing lists, but wonder if there are other venues we should be reaching out to | 14:24 |
| fungi | the challenge is striking a balance between reaching our community members and drawing unwanted attention from vandals/trolls | 14:24 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah which is what I hope happened with that one comment we received last time | 14:25 |
| fungi | there are, unfortunately, people outside our community who like to undermine any efforts they deem leftist/woke/cancelculture/whatever | 14:25 |
| spotz[m] | We can ask all the community managers to reach our to their projects | 14:25 |
| spotz[m] | I'd say we could reqard folks but then that takes anonymity away | 14:26 |
| fungi | oh, that's a good idea. that also helps spread out and reduce the repetitiveness of things sent to mailing lists | 14:26 |
| fungi | getting community managers involved is a good idea i mean | 14:26 |
| fungi | rewards for taking surveys less so, right | 14:27 |
| spotz[m] | And they should have a good relationship with their folks so it's closer to them vs us | 14:27 |
| spotz[m] | And my book comand didn't work:( | 14:27 |
| fungi | not only do survey rewards undermine anonymity, they also add different incentives to the list of variables which already influence survey results | 14:27 |
| fungi | i don't see you issuing any commands in #openinfra-events | 14:28 |
| fungi | are you in the right channel? | 14:28 |
| spotz[m] | That could be why:) | 14:28 |
| spotz[m] | Or not | 14:29 |
| fungi | maybe something's screwy with the matrix bridge connecting that channel? | 14:29 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah rewards are a double edge sword to begin with and for this type of survey it would hurt vs help | 14:29 |
| spotz[m] | So let's try the community managers first and see if that helps any | 14:30 |
| fungi | you don't seem to be in the #openinfra-events channel at all | 14:30 |
| spotz[m] | openstack-events! | 14:31 |
| fungi | i'll reach out to ildikov and clarkb about it, since the three of us are the current set of community managers | 14:31 |
| fungi | spotz[m]: you want openINFRA not openSTACK (the ptg is for more than just the openstack project) | 14:31 |
| fungi | we switched and combined channel names when we moved from freenode to oftc, years ago | 14:32 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah but it's not finding the openinfra room, I'll log into IRC after the meeting | 14:32 |
| spotz[m] | Ok so any other thoughts on the Survey? It really sucks it's been about a year with no new results | 14:33 |
| fungi | mainly just hoping that if we promote it in more places we might get people filling it out finally | 14:34 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah ok let's go with that contacting the community managers to reach out to their projects to promote. We can also do the Foundation list ourselves | 14:36 |
| fungi | sounds good. do you want to do the foundation list one? since i'm the openstack community manager, that will help vary the notifications and maybe make them a little less repetitive | 14:40 |
| spotz[m] | I can do it, let's maybe put together an etherpad so we can make sure we have a similar message to all the groups, doesn't have to be the same | 14:40 |
| fungi | looks like you got the ptg slot booked | 14:41 |
| spotz[m] | yeah got frustrated with it:) | 14:41 |
| fungi | yeah, i can work with you on a rough outline of what the important details to communicate are | 14:41 |
| spotz[m] | #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/surveyemail | 14:42 |
| spotz[m] | if you want to use that | 14:42 |
| fungi | spotz[m]: as for getting matrix to join "hidden" channels on oftc, there are instructions at https://zuul-ci.org/docs/zuul/latest/howtos/matrix-irc.html | 14:42 |
| fungi | "It will display No results for ... Disregard that and hit enter or click Join, and you will join the room. | 14:43 |
| spotz[m] | I just blame the user:) | 14:43 |
| spotz[m] | Anything else on the survey topic? | 14:46 |
| fungi | nope, we can hack on that pad over the course of the week | 14:46 |
| fungi | maybe shoot for reaching out to the community managers next week? | 14:46 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah and then give them time to add suggestions | 14:47 |
| spotz[m] | Ok do we have anything else we want to discuss? | 14:48 |
| fungi | you said something about survey responses... i haven't checked them, were there any at all? | 14:49 |
| spotz[m] | 5 which might include both of us | 14:49 |
| spotz[m] | I know it includes me | 14:50 |
| fungi | none this calendar year though? | 14:51 |
| fungi | i think my test submission was during the last summit | 14:51 |
| spotz[m] | There's not time stamp but it's the same number as right after Summit | 14:52 |
| fungi | okay, so yeah nobody's taken it this year | 14:52 |
| fungi | i didn't have any other topics of discussion in that case | 14:52 |
| fungi | i threw a few notes into the survey communications etherpad so far | 14:53 |
| spotz[m] | Me neither and we're almost at time | 14:53 |
| spotz[m] | Cool I'll work on it too | 14:53 |
| fungi | thanks! | 14:53 |
| fungi | and yeah, i could use a quick break to put the kettle on before my next meeting at the top of the hour | 14:54 |
| spotz[m] | Ok let's close out then I need coffee:) | 14:54 |
| spotz[m] | #endmeeting | 14:54 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Mar 12 14:54:32 2024 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:54 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2024/diversity_wg.2024-03-12-14.00.html | 14:54 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2024/diversity_wg.2024-03-12-14.00.txt | 14:54 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2024/diversity_wg.2024-03-12-14.00.log.html | 14:54 |
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