| fungi | meetin' time, y'all! | 14:00 |
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| ildikov | o/ | 14:01 |
| spotz[m] | Hey give me 2 minutes an egg broke on the counter | 14:03 |
| fungi | yikes! | 14:04 |
| fungi | the dangers of work-from-home ;) | 14:04 |
| spotz[m] | Danger of fresh eggs, sometimes the shells aren't that thick and they break in your hand | 14:06 |
| spotz[m] | #startmeeting diversity-wg | 14:06 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting started Tue Jun 11 14:06:20 2024 UTC and is due to finish in 60 minutes. The chair is spotz[m]. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. | 14:06 |
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| opendevmeet | The meeting name has been set to 'diversity_wg' | 14:06 |
| spotz[m] | #topic Roll Call | 14:06 |
| spotz[m] | #chair fungi | 14:06 |
| opendevmeet | Current chairs: fungi spotz[m] | 14:06 |
| ildikov | o/ | 14:07 |
| fungi | ohai | 14:09 |
| spotz[m] | We tend to free form it but agenda is at #link https://etherpad.opendev.org/p/diversity-wg-agenda | 14:09 |
| spotz[m] | Being that we have ildikov I figured we could discuss the page/survey emails | 14:10 |
| ildikov | +1 | 14:10 |
| fungi | awesome, and yes we discussed it at some length in the community managers meeting yesterday, so she has some context at least | 14:10 |
| spotz[m] | Woohoo! | 14:11 |
| ildikov | yep, I really appreciate fungi keeping us on our toes about the D&I efforts! | 14:11 |
| spotz[m] | So better late then never I did get my version of the letter off to the Foundation list I believe on 5/30 | 14:11 |
| fungi | yep, looked good, thanks for sending that! | 14:12 |
| spotz[m] | Sorry it took so long kept slipping my mind:( | 14:13 |
| fungi | one of the things that came up in the cm meeting yesterday was that the communications so far haven't indicated the intended audience (who should take the survey) | 14:13 |
| fungi | like it's obvious to us that we want feedback from anyone who participates or has participated in our communities in any way, but i don't think we've actually stated that anywhere | 14:14 |
| fungi | so probably being clearer about that in the direct project community outreach is something we should be aware to include | 14:15 |
| fungi | also we were brainstorming additional ways to reach potential survey-takers, and another missed opportunity is post-conference attendee outreach from the foundation events people | 14:15 |
| spotz[m] | We might have reached out but it was a year ago at this point | 14:18 |
| fungi | yeah, i mean, we did have a keynote slide in vancouver but i don't recall it being included in the communications to attendees after the event | 14:18 |
| fungi | though maybe we did, my memory's gotten pretty terrible | 14:18 |
| ildikov | yeah, being more clear about audience and purpose might help people to feel more inclined to take the survey | 14:18 |
| ildikov | fungi: I don't remember it being included either | 14:19 |
| spotz[m] | I don't remember if we did or didn't:( | 14:19 |
| ildikov | so if it was, that just shows that we need to make the mention more prominent, or just mention it more often | 14:19 |
| spotz[m] | I do tend to think a bit historically where it was well known the survey was for everyone, we can definitely tighten up the wording that goes to the projects to make sure | 14:21 |
| ildikov | there are various reasons someone can feel that the survey is not for them, so I think it's always good to re-state that | 14:22 |
| ildikov | and we get new people in our projects/ecosystem too, and they may not know anything about it yet | 14:22 |
| ildikov | I don't think we're saying that this should be explained in length all the time, just to be more explicit | 14:24 |
| fungi | oh, also on the "more often" point, we did talk about the fact that it's probably worth periodically reminding our communities about too, so finding more long-lived means of doing that might help | 14:25 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah I think if we do that in the Community emails, and then say in 2 months we do another to the Foundation list and add it in there. I don't think we want to send another one there so soon | 14:26 |
| fungi | i did include it in a foundation newsletter at the beginning of this year, though that didn't seem to result in any new takers | 14:26 |
| spotz[m] | Was that before the page revamp? | 14:27 |
| fungi | i think it was immediately after | 14:28 |
| fungi | #link https://superuser.openinfra.dev/articles/openinfra-newsletter-62/ | 14:29 |
| ildikov | spotz[m]: we were thinking about mentioning the webpage, survey and WG maybe quarterly on the community communication channels, unless there's a news item to share | 14:29 |
| fungi | and yeah, it links to the new page | 14:29 |
| spotz[m] | Oh sweet | 14:29 |
| spotz[m] | We did a semi-amateurish evaluation of the European events and I think next year we should be pro-active about encouraging diversity which we are for Asia. I did meet one new person at CERN and told them about the group | 14:30 |
| ildikov | +1 | 14:31 |
| ildikov | events are easier to start getting involved, as you just show up and see what catches your interest, etc | 14:32 |
| ildikov | this could be something to talk about with our member ecosystem as well, as a brainstorming idea | 14:32 |
| ildikov | since the motivation to participate doesn't always line up with opportunity | 14:33 |
| ildikov | and we can be more mindful of mentioning diversity related efforts and the survey in event comms as well in general | 14:34 |
| fungi | we could probably have some success more strongly leaning on project leaders to at least take the survey | 14:34 |
| ildikov | or even going that far to have them help encouraging their projects/teams | 14:35 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah I know at CERN I ran into people who took advantage of it being nearby. So in that case I think the roadshow was a success | 14:35 |
| ildikov | as them taking the survey will not be visible to others, it won't serve as an example to follow in itself | 14:36 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah it's hard, in the past I've posted I took the survey have you. But I think there's always the doubt that we're truly anonymous | 14:37 |
| ildikov | have you heard people being concerned about that? | 14:38 |
| spotz[m] | No but I haven't heard anyone talking about it at all:( | 14:39 |
| ildikov | there's so much going everywhere that if you don't do a big campaign about something, then it gets lost in the noise | 14:40 |
| ildikov | a diversity survey shouldn't fall into that category, but at the end of the day mostly everything does | 14:41 |
| spotz[m] | Yeah which is why we pushed to announce at Summit hoping to get some attention | 14:41 |
| ildikov | exactly | 14:42 |
| ildikov | what I'm saying is, announcing it at a Summit in itself is not enough | 14:42 |
| spotz[m] | Which is why we're here a year later with no progress | 14:44 |
| ildikov | but we are talking about how to communicate about it more | 14:44 |
| spotz[m] | So the individual communities, maybe Superuser and newsletters that go out from the Foundation? | 14:47 |
| ildikov | +1 | 14:48 |
| fungi | oh, right, one of the possibilities we had discussed earlier in the year was a superuser article specifically about the wg's activities and the survey | 14:50 |
| spotz[m] | Ok 5 minutes left, do we want to put a checklist together of things to do? Next step I think is the community focused emails and maybe 4-8 week before we do something community wide? | 14:55 |
| spotz[m] | I don't want us to be "spam" | 14:56 |
| fungi | that sounds good to me | 14:56 |
| fungi | and yeah, the worst thing we could do is create reminder fatigue in our communities | 14:56 |
| ildikov | +1, finding the right balance will be important | 14:58 |
| spotz[m] | Ok I added a checklist in the agenda if you want to peek | 14:58 |
| fungi | thanks! | 14:58 |
| * fungi needs to bring in his trashcan really quick before his 15:00 utc conference call | 14:59 | |
| spotz[m] | I think that's it for us timewise today anyways. Go get your can:) | 14:59 |
| spotz[m] | Thanks for joining us today ildikov | 14:59 |
| spotz[m] | #endmeeting | 14:59 |
| opendevmeet | Meeting ended Tue Jun 11 14:59:57 2024 UTC. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot . (v 0.1.4) | 14:59 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2024/diversity_wg.2024-06-11-14.06.html | 14:59 |
| opendevmeet | Minutes (text): https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2024/diversity_wg.2024-06-11-14.06.txt | 14:59 |
| opendevmeet | Log: https://meetings.opendev.org/meetings/diversity_wg/2024/diversity_wg.2024-06-11-14.06.log.html | 14:59 |
| ildikov | @spotz[m] sure thing, I'm happy I could make it! | 15:00 |
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