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openstackgerrit | Steve Martinelli proposed a change to openstack/barbican-specs: Update doc theme for barbican-specs https://review.openstack.org/111899 | 04:45 |
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openstackgerrit | Douglas Mendizábal proposed a change to openstack/barbican-specs: Add Containers to python-barbicanclient https://review.openstack.org/110056 | 05:56 |
jaosorior | rm_work: sleep aready :P | 07:38 |
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openstackgerrit | Juan Antonio Osorio Robles proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Do not override venv https://review.openstack.org/111998 | 12:17 |
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openstackgerrit | Stanislaw Pitucha proposed a change to openstack/barbican-specs: Spec for certificate api addition https://review.openstack.org/108429 | 12:36 |
openstackgerrit | Stanislaw Pitucha proposed a change to openstack/barbican-specs: Spec for certificate api addition https://review.openstack.org/108429 | 12:39 |
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jaosorior | Mr. woodster, I had a comment on this CR: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111601/ not a big deal but I wanted to know if you had any thought about it. | 13:53 |
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alee | woodster, ping | 17:06 |
alee | woodster, looks like rellerreller has approved https://review.openstack.org/107111 -- just need you and jvrbanac :) | 17:07 |
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woodster | Alee: we are in planning meetings today but will weigh in later this afternoon for sure | 17:52 |
alee | woodster, cool :) | 17:52 |
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openstackgerrit | Kaitlin Farr proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Adds store_secret_supports to secret_store https://review.openstack.org/110386 | 17:58 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/barbican: Correct container create response code to be 201 https://review.openstack.org/111302 | 19:29 |
rm_mobile | Woot | 19:29 |
rm_mobile | Is consumer registration next? :P | 19:30 |
chellygel | rm_mobile, we are currently reviewing it | 19:31 |
rm_mobile | :P | 19:31 |
rm_mobile | I'm stuck in intern presentations | 19:31 |
rm_mobile | Speaking of which, I thought you were an intern :/ | 19:31 |
rm_mobile | Are you not? :P | 19:32 |
chellygel | you should be enjoying those! -- nope im a dev :P | 19:32 |
rm_mobile | Heh | 19:32 |
chellygel | im young but not thaaaat young | 19:32 |
rm_mobile | Same thing had happened to me at both this and my previous job | 19:32 |
rm_mobile | I kept starting at the same time as the interns | 19:32 |
rm_mobile | So people kept asking I was one T_T | 19:33 |
rm_mobile | *assuming | 19:33 |
rm_mobile | OK, out of that if you need anything | 19:43 |
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openstackgerrit | Kaitlin Farr proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Adds store_secret_supports to secret_store https://review.openstack.org/110386 | 19:57 |
openstackgerrit | Kaitlin Farr proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Adds store_secret_supports to secret_store https://review.openstack.org/110386 | 19:59 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/barbican-specs: Add Containers to python-barbicanclient https://review.openstack.org/110056 | 20:09 |
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chellygel | rm_mobile, we are approving some changes -- you will have to rebase :S | 20:10 |
chellygel | rm_work, ? maybe? | 20:10 |
rm_work | chellygel: yeah that's fine | 20:10 |
rm_work | let me know when the last of them is merged | 20:11 |
rm_work | I'm about ready | 20:11 |
chellygel | yes, will do. | 20:11 |
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openstackgerrit | John Wood proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Eager load KEKDatum record when EncryptedDatum is retrieved https://review.openstack.org/111601 | 20:23 |
rm_work | chellygel / reaperhulk / redrobot / woodster / hockeynut / jvrbanac / others: if I really am not expecting an exception to be raised, and if there were an exception it would be an "unknown serverside error", is just letting it raise the 500 it would raise by default an "ok" approach? | 20:25 |
rm_work | I started typing "pecan.abort(500" and then realized that's what would get raised anyway if I didn't even put the try/catch in | 20:26 |
openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/barbican-specs: blueprint for restructuring the pkcs11 plugin to support wrap/unwrap https://review.openstack.org/107775 | 20:29 |
jaosorior | reaperhulk: Nice explanation for the spec 107775 :D I'm really eager to see some code for that | 20:33 |
woodster | alee: are you there? | 20:37 |
alee | woodster, yup | 20:38 |
alee | woodster, in a meeting but I can answer questions .. | 20:38 |
woodster | alee: no worries, just added a comment to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107190/ | 20:39 |
woodster | jaosorior: I updated https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111601/ per your comments | 20:40 |
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jaosorior | woodster: thanks, that looks classy :) | 20:43 |
jaosorior | +1 | 20:43 |
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openstackgerrit | John Wood proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Eager load KEKDatum record when EncryptedDatum is retrieved https://review.openstack.org/111601 | 20:51 |
woodster | jaosorior: sorry, I somehow added an extra line in there :\ | 20:51 |
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openstackgerrit | Chelsea Winfree proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Add Certificate Interface & Symantec Plugin https://review.openstack.org/107190 | 20:52 |
jaosorior | woodster: well, it's a small review, so it's not a big deal to check it from my phone. If it would be larger I would leave it for tomorrow | 20:53 |
jaosorior | Like chellygel 's CR which I'll check in the morning | 20:54 |
chellygel | ;) jaosorior | 20:54 |
jaosorior | Damn, laundry's boring X_x | 20:54 |
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jaosorior | chellygel: yooooo | 20:58 |
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jaosorior | woodster: maybe it would be appropriate to change the commit message, since now it's not only about the KEKDatum and the EnxryptedDatum | 21:00 |
jaosorior | But containers also | 21:00 |
jaosorior | Anyway, my laundry's ready and I'm off. I'll check it tomorrow morning | 21:01 |
jaosorior | Have a good one, people! :) | 21:02 |
rm_work | chellygel / reaperhulk / redrobot / woodster / et al: can I assume everything is merged for today so I can rebase now? | 21:14 |
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chellygel | yes rm_work should be good. | 21:14 |
redrobot | rm_work https://review.openstack.org/#/c/105562/ is still in zuul queue | 21:14 |
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rm_work | k | 21:16 |
bdpayne | anyone aware of a nice writeup somewhere on best practices for deploying barbican? | 21:16 |
bdpayne | I've read through the getting started guide | 21:17 |
bdpayne | but it feels like there's some holes and a lot of that is oriented towards dev rather than production | 21:17 |
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rm_work | heh | 21:17 |
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rm_work | yes, there are some holes :/ | 21:17 |
bdpayne | :-) | 21:17 |
rm_work | and yeah, it's very dev oriented | 21:17 |
bdpayne | fwiw, I lead the openstack security guide book effort, and as barbican matures I'll be looking to writeup something like this for the book | 21:18 |
bdpayne | for now, I'm just looking to wrap my head around it all and understand what the devs believe to be best practices | 21:18 |
rm_work | I just had to try to follow it a month or so ago, took me a bit to get everything set up :P | 21:18 |
alee | woodster, I responded to your response. | 21:18 |
openstackgerrit | Adam Harwell proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Add support to Barbican for consumer registration https://review.openstack.org/107845 | 21:18 |
redrobot | bdpayne I don't think we have a deployment guide yet, since we're still working through our own deployment | 21:19 |
redrobot | bdpayne there's about 3 different back-end options in various stages of development, and each will bring their own sets of recommendations | 21:20 |
bdpayne | ok | 21:20 |
bdpayne | by backend, you mean where it stores the secrets? | 21:20 |
redrobot | yes, in addition to how crypto operations are handled. | 21:21 |
bdpayne | ok, interesting | 21:21 |
bdpayne | I can certainly read through the code and learn as I go | 21:21 |
bdpayne | just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some valuable resource that someone took the time to put together :-) | 21:21 |
redrobot | there's basically two choices for storage: Store encrypted data inside Barbican's SQL DB, or defer that to a 3rd party. | 21:22 |
bdpayne | right, and it looks like the sqldb goes through sqlalchemy, so it can be mysql or postgres, etc? | 21:22 |
redrobot | bdpayne correct. Fort 3rd party storage, it could be a KMIP device, or a DogTag instance | 21:23 |
redrobot | we call those the SecretStore plugins | 21:23 |
redrobot | so, DB, KMIP or DogTag are your SecretStore plugin options | 21:24 |
bdpayne | gotcha | 21:24 |
bdpayne | the other thing I was missing... is if there's some configuration needed for encrypting the secrets? | 21:24 |
redrobot | the DB plugin, whose name escapes me at the moment also gives you the option of the Cryptographic Backend | 21:24 |
bdpayne | so that the various workers can all read from the same backend | 21:25 |
redrobot | both the API node, and the Worker node would have an instance of the SecretStore plugin | 21:25 |
bdpayne | ah, perhaps this cryptographic backend is what I'm refering to? | 21:25 |
redrobot | so cryptographic backend choices are: Dev plugin, which is what we're using out of the box | 21:26 |
* bdpayne appreciates the walkthrough :-) | 21:26 | |
redrobot | and the PKCS11 plugin, which we'll be using to talk to Luna SA HSMs | 21:26 |
redrobot | the dev cryptographic plugin is not recommended for a production deployment | 21:27 |
redrobot | you're welcome :) | 21:27 |
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redrobot | I've been meaning to write a guide to the pluggable backend system, but I haven't had time to get to it | 21:28 |
bdpayne | so is the dev cryptographic backend just a null cipher? | 21:28 |
redrobot | it uses Fernet from PyCA's cryptography lib | 21:29 |
redrobot | but the master key is stored in the barbican config file | 21:29 |
bdpayne | gotcha | 21:29 |
bdpayne | so that's why you don't like it for production? | 21:29 |
redrobot | yeah, since the master key would be stored in plaintext in any API or Worker node | 21:30 |
bdpayne | however, this is probably the only option for a DB secretestore? | 21:30 |
redrobot | no, the PKCS11 plugin would be the recommended option for DB SecretStore | 21:30 |
bdpayne | hmm, ok, I'll check that out | 21:30 |
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redrobot | the PKCS11 part is about to be refactored per this spec https://github.com/openstack/barbican-specs/blob/master/specs/juno/restructure-pkcs11-plugin.rst | 21:31 |
redrobot | bdpayne actually, the plaintext file looks better https://raw.githubusercontent.com/openstack/barbican-specs/master/specs/juno/restructure-pkcs11-plugin.rst | 21:31 |
bdpayne | ah, interesting | 21:32 |
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redrobot | all crypto opretations would happen in the PKCS11 device (HSM) | 21:32 |
redrobot | no keying material will be available outside of the HSM | 21:32 |
bdpayne | so what about deployments without an HSM? | 21:33 |
redrobot | bdpayne we would recommend DogTag SecretStore as an alternative | 21:33 |
bdpayne | heh... have you ever installed dogtag? ;-) | 21:34 |
bdpayne | I mean... on a non RH system | 21:34 |
bdpayne | alas, I digress | 21:34 |
redrobot | hehe, yeah, I've heard that a couple of times :) | 21:34 |
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bdpayne | this gives me lot to start digging into | 21:34 |
rm_work | fffff | 21:34 |
bdpayne | which is right where I need to be right now | 21:34 |
rm_work | woodster / redrobot / reaperhulk: the gate for 105562 didn't pass T_T | 21:34 |
bdpayne | if I get this put together, I'll see about writting something up | 21:35 |
redrobot | bdpayne awesome! thanks! If you have any more questions just let us know | 21:35 |
bdpayne | will do! | 21:35 |
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redrobot | rm_work heh... you're really earning that ATC status, huh? | 21:38 |
redrobot | rm_work oh bummer, that's tsv's CR | 21:40 |
rm_work | redrobot: T_T | 21:41 |
redrobot | rm_work did you already rebase? | 21:41 |
rm_work | yeah | 21:42 |
rm_work | but not onto that | 21:42 |
rm_work | >_> | 21:42 |
rm_work | sooooo mine could totally go first ;) | 21:42 |
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rm_work | though I'm still waiting on my first check | 21:43 |
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alee | bdpayne, what system would you be installing on? dogtag can be installed on fedora or rhel. There has also been a lot of work done getting it to install on debian based systems. | 21:48 |
alee | woodster, any questions about my response? or my patch? | 21:48 |
openstackgerrit | Venkat Sundaram proposed a change to openstack/python-barbicanclient: remove tenant-id from uri https://review.openstack.org/112149 | 21:52 |
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bdpayne | alee I'm looking at doing this on a highly modified version of ubuntu | 21:53 |
bdpayne | I've tried doing dogtag before and it was... well, quite a bit more complex than I'd prefer for this deployment | 21:53 |
rm_work | redrobot: woodster: reaperhulk: jvrbanac: hockeynut: could you take a look now? it will pass jenkins (with rechecks possibly, but i've tested the devstack deploy and functional tests and they will eventually pass) | 22:04 |
rm_work | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/107845/ | 22:04 |
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alee | bdpayne, fair enough, but you might want to take another look as things progress. A lot of work has gone into making the latest version of dogtag pretty seamless to install. | 22:21 |
bdpayne | good to know | 22:21 |
alee | bdpayne, and I'm working to make the barbican/dogtag interaction seamless too. | 22:22 |
alee | and the latest version of dogtag will be in the next version of ubuntu. | 22:22 |
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bdpayne | although, perhaps I'm missing something, but it still seems like a weird architecture to me | 22:22 |
bdpayne | so dogtag stores a secret so that barbican can store other secrets | 22:22 |
bdpayne | with an HSM, this all makes sense | 22:23 |
bdpayne | but I don't get the security argument for dogtag | 22:23 |
alee | bdpayne, dogtag has a known tested production backend to store secrets. | 22:24 |
alee | whether in an hsm or not. | 22:24 |
alee | all the secrets would be stored in dogtag | 22:25 |
bdpayne | oh, I see | 22:26 |
alee | bdpayne, there is a possible key wrapping mechanism to ensure secure transit of secrets from client through barbican to dogtag, but its not required. | 22:26 |
bdpayne | so barbican just becomes an api middleware for dogtag? | 22:26 |
rm_work | woodster: damn, dsvm did fail. not sure if i have to wait to recheck until the other tests finish <_< | 22:26 |
alee | bdpayne, yup | 22:26 |
alee | bdpayne, there is a lot that barbican will be doing - like generating symmetric and asymmetric keys and contacting CA's to get certs, but the idea will be for you be able to do that with dogtag as a backend | 22:28 |
bdpayne | ok | 22:29 |
bdpayne | so yeah, looks like there'a bit for me to explore with this as well | 22:30 |
chellygel | rm_work, i dont think it matters... you can rerun it anyway -- it just wont cancel the firs tone | 22:30 |
chellygel | first one* | 22:30 |
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rm_work | hmm | 22:30 |
bdpayne | I think I'll start with a basic install without dogtag, and then add that layer of complexity after things are otherwise working | 22:30 |
rm_work | well, i tried "recheck no bug" (starting to think I should file a bug) and waiting to see what happens | 22:30 |
alee | bdpayne, gotta go - but feel free to ask if you have any questions | 22:30 |
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bdpayne | yep, thanks | 22:31 |
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openstackgerrit | Arvind Tiwari proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Reorganize code to use store crypto plug-in https://review.openstack.org/111412 | 22:39 |
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openstackgerrit | Chelsea Winfree proposed a change to openstack/barbican: Add Certificate Interface & Symantec Plugin https://review.openstack.org/107190 | 23:24 |
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openstackgerrit | Venkat Sundaram proposed a change to openstack/barbican: remove project-id from resource URIs https://review.openstack.org/105562 | 23:57 |
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