Tuesday, 2014-08-12

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openstackgerritRen Qiaowei proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: XenAPI support: List the instances  https://review.openstack.org/11224404:55
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openstackgerritRikimaru Honjo proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Add spec for deleting alarm history  https://review.openstack.org/10384906:23
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openstackgerritHisashi Osanai proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: enable to get swift's service type from configuration file  https://review.openstack.org/11277107:24
ildikoveglynn: good morning!07:29
eglynnildikov: good morning07:29
ildikoveglynn: what do you think about moving the pipeline section from the Dev doc to the Admin guide?07:30
eglynnhmmm, moving or duplicating?07:30
eglynnseem like that content would still be relevant to developers07:30
ildikoveglynn: in the Dev doc we could add some info about how to add the extensions, like discovery, etc., but the how to set up the pipeline does not really belong to the development doc to me07:30
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ildikoveglynn: so I would move most of the content to the admin guide and then add a reference to the Dev doc, when the Admin guide is finished and publicly available07:32
ildikoveglynn: same as the install guide, which I plan to clean up once I finished this part07:32
eglynnildikov: do you mean ...07:33
eglynn1.  assume that devs have read the admin guide first07:33
eglynn2.  then just add some *extra* info in the dev doc on how to do pluggable discovery, that builds upon the concepts described in the admin guide?07:34
ildikoveglynn: so for instance we have now a nice doc about the transformers that how they work and how to set them up07:35
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ildikoveglynn: ... I think that it should be in the Admin guide and if a developer would like to know more about how they work, then he/she should read the Admin guide07:36
ildikoveglynn: so we can have some duplication about the main concepts, like what the pipeline is07:37
ildikoveglynn: ... so just the bare minimum07:37
ildikoveglynn: ... but as we finally will have an Admin guide, we do not have to or more we should keep all the information in the Developer guide, IMHO07:37
ildikoveglynn: so I don't assume that the developers read the whole admin guide first07:38
ildikoveglynn: ... but if they need any information about how to set up and operate Telemetry, they should read it and they can find information on how to extend it in the Dev guide07:39
eglynnildikov: yeah, so the keys IMO are...07:39
eglynn(a) where to draw the line between the subject matter in admin-orieinted dev-oriented docco (there is some corss-over I think)07:40
eglynn(b) allow at least some repetition of the base concepts, to reflect the reality that a lot of devs are not going to read full telemetry section of the admin guide before jumping into writing code07:41
ildikoveglynn: TBH, our deveoper guide is not really a developer guide07:41
eglynnyeah, for a long it was THE one and only guide07:41
eglynnyeah, for a long *time it was THE one and only guide07:41
ildikoveglynn: ... you can check the dev guide of Nova for instance, it's smaller than ours IIRC, because they do not duplicate information about how to operate Nova07:42
ildikoveglynn: I thought so that it was the one and only, but now it will change07:42
eglynnbut yeah, slimming down the pipeline section in the dev section is fine07:42
eglynnbut I wouldn't totally eliminate it, as writing discovery extensions, pollsters etc is a developer task07:43
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eglynnso devs would need to understand that context07:43
ildikoveglynn: ... we are developing a user facing product, so we need to distinguish between the different types of documentation too07:43
ildikoveglynn: the Admin guide is available online, so a link to the appropriate section of the admin guide will not hurt anyone07:44
ildikoveglynn: ... we should avoid the bigger amount of duplication, because it will be out of sync after a while07:44
ildikoveglynn: ... after a really short while actually07:44
eglynnildikov: is ceilometer completely user-facing?07:45
ildikoveglynn: ... and nowadays our developer doc is more a user guide, than a developer doc07:45
ildikoveglynn: why wouldn't it be?07:45
ildikoveglynn: or let's say that operator facing, so we can argue about the user types in the system, but the point of my original question was not this07:46
eglynnildikov: because much of the motivation for collecting the data that we collect is more operator-facing07:46
ildikoveglynn: yeap, but it's kinda the same thing, I mean the operator mostly doesn't want to develop new features to Telemetry/Ceilometer07:47
eglynnby user-facing, I assumed end-user (e.g. the guy who spins up an instance)07:48
eglynnanyway, that's a digression07:48
ildikoveglynn: sorry, for me an operator is also a user with admin rights07:48
ildikoveglynn: ... from our, as developer's, PoV I mean the operator is a user also07:49
ildikoveglynn: anyway, that's still not the point, I will ad the relevant parts to the admin guide, in case of the pipelines mostly by reusing the content in the developer doc and if the Admin guide will be once out in the wild, then I will propose some changes to the Dev doc and then we can continue this discussion07:51
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eglynnok, I would make a different distinction between operators and users (in terms of their objectives etc.) but as you say that's not really the point07:52
eglynnyeah, agreed, first priority is to get this content into the admin guide07:53
ildikoveglynn: ... then it will be less theoretical at least :)07:53
eglynnsince that's what we';re under the kosh for, from the TC gap analysis PoV07:53
ildikoveglynn: we need to make the amount of duplication to the minimum, but it's a next step07:53
eglynnthen we can slim down the in-tree docs to avoid the kind of duplication/divergence you mention07:54
eglynnmy own $0.02 is that we should be prepared to live with *some* duplication for pragmatic reasons07:54
eglynnbut yeah as you say, we can duke that out when you propose to removal patch to the in-tree docs07:55
ildikoveglynn: my personal opinion is that if I have to read two sections from the Admin guide chapter of Telemetry to get the base concepts and then I can find more developer related docco in the Dev guide of Ceilometer to do some hacking, I would be more than satisfied...07:55
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ildikoveglynn: ok, so I have the next step, will continue writing07:56
ildikoveglynn: thanks for your time07:56
eglynnildikov: cool, thank *you* for your attention to this :)07:57
ildikoveglynn: np, it was the last time I put my name anywhere as a docco driver ;)07:58
eglynnjd__, sileht, ildikov: I'd love to get https://review.openstack.org/101009 over the line this morning, so that I can unblock the corresponding BP07:59
eglynn... otherwise I suspect the rel mgr will be gunning for that BP to be dropped from the juno slate07:59
eglynn(... i.e. if it's still blocked on the spec landing at our 1:1 at 1145UTC)08:00
ildikoveglynn: I saw your hint comment here yesterday, it's just not really my area, so I thought to give the possibility to other cores to have a look at and approve08:01
ildikoveglynn: ... if there isn't any candidate, I will have one more look at it later (before 1145UTC)08:01
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eglynnildikov: thank you!08:02
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_nadya_guys, maybe it's already discussed somewhere... but what has happened with py26 job? "Could not find mongod command"08:15
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DinaBelova_nadya_, yeah, that looks pretty strange09:36
DinaBelovaeglynn, ildikov - do you know what's going on there? like here: http://logs.openstack.org/71/112771/2/check/gate-ceilometer-python26/d6a7161/console.html09:37
eglynnDinaBelova: "File Not Found"?09:37
eglynnDinaBelova: I don't know what's going on, looks at first glance like build logs are being lost09:38
eglynnDinaBelova: do the infra folks have any insight on this?09:38
DinaBelovaeglynn, hehe, no idea yet - the most suspicious thing is line "echo 'Could not find mongod command'"09:39
eglynnDinaBelova: I'm not seeing that09:39
DinaBelovaeglynn, 2014-08-12 07:28:07.870 | Could not find mongod command09:39
eglynnDinaBelova: meh! I messed up copying the link :)09:40
DinaBelovahehe :)09:40
* eglynn dropped the "l" in .html ...09:40
eglynnk, looking now09:40
DinaBelovaeglynn - looks like "which mongod" returned actually nothing09:41
eglynnDinaBelova: hmmm, smells like the infra folks have possibly changed their centos-6 image09:41
DinaBelovaeglynn, I suspect this as well09:41
DinaBelovalet me try ping someone in infra channel09:41
eglynnDinaBelova: ... so previously I'd assume that the mongodb-server RPM was pre-installed in the centos-6 image used in the gate09:42
eglynnDinaBelova: that would be great thanks!09:42
DinaBelovaeglynn, although the strange moment is that only python26 jobs are failing09:42
DinaBelovais it consistent with this idea?09:42
eglynnDinaBelova: yeah, so the py27 jobs run on Trusty09:42
eglynnDinaBelova: (whereas only the py26 run on CentOS6)09:43
DinaBelovaokay, gotcha09:43
eglynnDinaBelova: that said, I'm not 100% clear on how we ensure that the equivalent apt-get on the mongodb package is done on the Trusty slaves09:44
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eglynnDinaBelova: ... i.e. whether it's baked into the Trusty image used by the gate, or installed on demand09:44
DinaBelovaeglynn, yeah, got it09:44
jd__eglynn: checkin'09:45
DinaBelovajd__, thank you sir!09:45
eglynnjd__: checkin' the bigger-data-sql BP review?09:46
jd__eglynn: yes – don't look at me like I'm lagging09:46
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DinaBelovajd__, ah, sorry09:46
DinaBelovaI mixed two topics09:46
eglynnjd__: thank you sir! :)09:46
DinaBelovain my mind09:46
jd__DinaBelova: no problem :)09:46
DinaBelovajd__, looks like I'm lagging :)09:47
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DinaBelovablocked gate is not really funny thing09:48
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/ceilometer-specs: 'big-data' sql part 2  https://review.openstack.org/10100909:51
jd__what's blocking DinaBelova ?09:51
DinaBelovajd__ - ceilo py26 job is constantly failing09:52
DinaBelovajd__ - like here - like here: http://logs.openstack.org/71/112771/2/check/gate-ceilometer-python26/d6a7161/console.html09:52
DinaBelovajd__ - Could not find mongod command09:52
jd__Could not find mongod command09:52
jd__did you check the infra config repository?09:52
jd__there might have been some change these last days triggering that09:52
DinaBelovajd__, one moment please, /me in progress09:53
jd__hehe go ahead09:53
DinaBelovajd__ - that's not so easy :D09:53
DinaBelovajd__ - I see nothing special there among the commits that might cause smth like this :-\09:56
eglynnjd__: thank you sir!09:56
eglynn... /me unblocks https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/bigger-data-sql in the nick of time :)09:56
jd__DinaBelova: too bad09:56
DinaBelovajd__, :(09:57
jd__time to go and rant on #openstack-infra09:59
DinaBelovajd__, /me already09:59
DinaBelovano answer yet :)09:59
DinaBelovajd__, btw - don't see logs like that on logstash :-\ looks like they were not uploaded there yet10:01
jd__a mystery10:02
jd__a great opportunity for Dina Holmes10:02
ildikovDinaBelova: not helping much, but the topic is on the ML too: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042704.html10:02
DinaBelovajd__ :D10:02
DinaBelovaildikov, a-ha, thanks10:03
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ildikovDinaBelova: so there is +1 vote for the missing Mongo install, but it still sounds strange to me :S10:05
DinaBelovaildikov, if the image was updated it might be no mongo on it and that's it10:06
DinaBelovaildikov - strange situation, but technically that's possible10:06
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ildikovDinaBelova: yeap, sure, in that case it's possible10:06
eglynnjd__: you may wanna cast your eye over this gnocchi thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042080.html10:10
eglynnjd__: ... just to check that /me is not telling lies in that discussion with sandy10:10
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eglynnDinaBelova: I'm hearing chatter internally about the epel6 mongod package being retired for some "security reasons"10:14
DinaBelovaeglynn, wowow!10:15
DinaBelovaeglynn, actually I have no idea what should be done in this case10:16
eglynnDinaBelova: *possibly* it was an unintended side-effect of https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/596310:16
DinaBelovaeglynn, a-ha10:16
* DinaBelova reading10:16
eglynnDinaBelova: mongo not listed there specifically, that's just a working theory10:16
DinaBelovaeglynn, okay, I'll keep this in mind10:16
eglynnDinaBelova: I'll follow up with the Red Hat guy who apparently has a bit more on this when he comes online later on today10:17
DinaBelovaeglynn, okay, cool10:17
DinaBelovaeglynn, thank you so much10:17
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eglynnDinaBelova: seems like we may be out of the woods on that one10:33
eglynnDinaBelova: the epel6 retirement was reverted http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/mongodb.git/commit/?h=el610:33
DinaBelovaeglynn, a-ha!10:33
DinaBelovaeglynn, so we need some rechecks I guess10:34
eglynnDinaBelova: ... minimal detail in either the original or reverting commit10:34
eglynnDinaBelova: ... smells like someone cleaning up after a mistake and hoping no one will notice :)10:34
DinaBelovaeglynn, it looks so, yes :)10:34
DinaBelovabut that's good for us10:34
eglynnDinaBelova: ... yep I've kicked off a reverify onhttps://review.openstack.org/112980 to check10:35
DinaBelovaeglynn, okay, let's wait :)10:35
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eglynnDinaBelova: ... latest I hear is that it was indeed a mistake, couchdb was the intended victim10:38
eglynnmeh! one DB is much the same as another, what could possibly go wrong?10:38
DinaBelovaeglynn, lol10:39
DinaBelovayeah, that's rough mistake for sure10:39
DinaBelovait was scary :)10:39
eglynnDinaBelova: meh, still failing ... it'll prolly take a while for the mirrors to catch up10:41
DinaBelovaeglynn, I see in the zuul that it's failing10:41
DinaBelovaI just wanted to write you :)10:41
DinaBelovaeglynn, well, possibly that's not so quick fix10:41
eglynnyeah, we prolly just need to wait a few hours for everything to propogate10:41
DinaBelovaeglynn, +110:41
eglynn¡Ay, caramba! ... the restore of mongodb to epel6 may take a bit longer than I thought :(10:55
eglynn(may require a retag for example, one of the Red Hat folks is chasing that down)10:55
eglynnDinaBelova: ^^^10:55
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DinaBelovaeglynn, that's bad :(11:05
DinaBelovathat means gate will be blocked until that'll be done11:05
eglynnDinaBelova: yeap, totally, the investigation is on-going11:06
DinaBelovaeglynn, ok - please keep in touch with me about this issue, if that's not hard for you - all gate locks make me crazy :11:10
eglynnDinaBelova: s/all gate locks/all gate logs/ ?11:10
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DinaBelovaeglynn, I meant blocks11:10
DinaBelovaoh, sorry, wrong layout11:10
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eglynna-ha, got it!11:10
DinaBelovaeglynn, :D we have too many letters in the alphabet :D11:11
eglynnDinaBelova: yeap, I hear ya ... to simplify, I propose that we all standardize on the Ogham alphabet ;)11:14
eglynn... all in favour, shout ᚗ !!11:14
DinaBelovaeglynn, :D:D:D11:14
DinaBelova32 letters instead of russian 33 :D11:14
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DinaBelovanot so big performance :D11:14
DinaBelovaalthough much simpler for sure11:15
eglynnperfect for carving on rocks also11:15
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eglynnDinaBelova: FYI mongo retagging has been submited https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/mongodb-2.4.6-5.el611:22
DinaBelovaeglynn, yay!11:23
eglynnDinaBelova: pbrady is actively chasing +1s on that11:23
DinaBelovaeglynn, that's really cool, thank you for the pushing this initiative11:23
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openstackgerritIlya Tyaptin proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: [HBase] Catch AlreadyExists error in Connection upgrade  https://review.openstack.org/11350411:57
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jd__eglynn: good answers on that Gnocchi thread, no worries12:11
eglynnjd__: cool, thanks for wading thru' it12:11
openstackgerritVitaly Gridnev proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Update docs with Sahara notifications configuration  https://review.openstack.org/11327212:15
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openstackgerritgordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: normalise resource data  https://review.openstack.org/11131312:48
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openstackgerritIgor Degtiarov proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: [HBase] Refactor hbase.utils  https://review.openstack.org/11127012:59
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_nadya_eglynn: hi! I've added the comment in the patch about 'per disk metering'. Please take a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111038/6/ceilometer/compute/pollsters/disk.py13:05
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cdenteglynn: figured out the agent-collector ordering stuff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/135580913:24
* eglynn looks13:25
eglynncdent: nice one! ... the AMQP restart explains why I didn't see it my simple test13:26
* cdent nods13:26
* eglynn gets away without being classified an idiot ...13:26
eglynn... for now! ;)13:26
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cdenteglynn: are there docs somewhere that ought to be updated with this discovery? It seems like it really only matters for test environments (where that first polling is important).13:33
eglynncdent: maybe worth a note in the new admin guide13:34
ildikoveglynn: do we have anything about testing in the Dev docs?13:34
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ildikoveglynn: and of course I will add a note to the admin guide too :)13:37
openstackgerritIgor Degtiarov proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Adding comparison operators in query for event traits  https://review.openstack.org/11258213:40
openstackgerritgordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: switch to sqlalchemy core  https://review.openstack.org/11352413:44
openstackgerritgordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: switch to sqlalchemy core  https://review.openstack.org/11352413:46
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eglynnildikov: sorry, on a call there13:58
eglynnildikov: ... re. testing, I think though that this ordering issue could apply to any situation where AMQP is restarted (e.g. an upgrade)13:58
ildikoveglynn: np13:58
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ildikoveglynn: yeap, I know, I was just wondering if need anything to written down as we have now a growing set of Tempest tests too, etc.13:59
ildikoveglynn: ... anyway, not top prio13:59
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eglynnildikov: we may have a shrinking set of Tempest tests14:08
eglynnildikov: (when the in-tree func testing thing gets off the ground)14:08
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ildikoveglynn: right, I always forget that it's not an ideal world that we are living in...14:13
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openstackgerritA change was merged to stackforge/gnocchi: Switch to tooz 0.3  https://review.openstack.org/11326714:23
eglynnDinaBelova: o/14:26
eglynnDinaBelova: re. that mongodb coverage thread, seems like a consensus is emerging on keeping both sql-a and mongodb coverage14:28
eglynnDinaBelova: does either option (a) or (b) discribed here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042651.html sound sane to you?14:30
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DinaBelovaeglynn, I was thinking about making just voting job - afair it was b14:31
eglynnDinaBelova: cool :) ... would you be up for proposing an infra patch for that?14:32
DinaBelovaeglynn, of course sir :)14:32
eglynnDinaBelova: thank you! :)14:32
DinaBelovaeglynn, np!14:32
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openstackgerritNejc Saje proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Central agent work-load partitioning  https://review.openstack.org/11354915:05
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openstackgerritgordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: switch to sqlalchemy core  https://review.openstack.org/11352415:09
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: storage: implement archiving policy  https://review.openstack.org/11355515:21
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pradgordc, eglynn, Could you give your input on Nadya's comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111038/15:29
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eglynnprad: done15:57
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eglynnamalagon: o/16:03
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eglynn1:1 time?16:03
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Allow tests to run outside tox  https://review.openstack.org/11026216:50
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openstackgerritgordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: switch to sqlalchemy core  https://review.openstack.org/11352417:53
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Set page size when Glance API request is called  https://review.openstack.org/10630418:37
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Replace assertTrue with assertIsNotNone for check an object  https://review.openstack.org/8276418:42
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: correct DB2 installation supported features documentation  https://review.openstack.org/11305120:15
openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Add notifications for identity authenticate events  https://review.openstack.org/11165620:15
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Allow tests to run outside tox  https://review.openstack.org/11026221:20
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flwangeglynn: any lucky you there?22:05
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openstackgerritA change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Avoid duplication of discovery for multi-sink sources  https://review.openstack.org/11298023:36
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