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openstackgerrit | Ren Qiaowei proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: XenAPI support: List the instances https://review.openstack.org/112244 | 04:55 |
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openstackgerrit | Rikimaru Honjo proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer-specs: Add spec for deleting alarm history https://review.openstack.org/103849 | 06:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Hisashi Osanai proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: enable to get swift's service type from configuration file https://review.openstack.org/112771 | 07:24 |
ildikov | eglynn: good morning! | 07:29 |
eglynn | ildikov: good morning | 07:29 |
ildikov | eglynn: what do you think about moving the pipeline section from the Dev doc to the Admin guide? | 07:30 |
eglynn | hmmm, moving or duplicating? | 07:30 |
eglynn | seem like that content would still be relevant to developers | 07:30 |
ildikov | eglynn: in the Dev doc we could add some info about how to add the extensions, like discovery, etc., but the how to set up the pipeline does not really belong to the development doc to me | 07:30 |
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ildikov | eglynn: so I would move most of the content to the admin guide and then add a reference to the Dev doc, when the Admin guide is finished and publicly available | 07:32 |
ildikov | eglynn: same as the install guide, which I plan to clean up once I finished this part | 07:32 |
eglynn | ildikov: do you mean ... | 07:33 |
eglynn | 1. assume that devs have read the admin guide first | 07:33 |
eglynn | 2. then just add some *extra* info in the dev doc on how to do pluggable discovery, that builds upon the concepts described in the admin guide? | 07:34 |
ildikov | eglynn: so for instance we have now a nice doc about the transformers that how they work and how to set them up | 07:35 |
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ildikov | eglynn: ... I think that it should be in the Admin guide and if a developer would like to know more about how they work, then he/she should read the Admin guide | 07:36 |
ildikov | eglynn: so we can have some duplication about the main concepts, like what the pipeline is | 07:37 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... so just the bare minimum | 07:37 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... but as we finally will have an Admin guide, we do not have to or more we should keep all the information in the Developer guide, IMHO | 07:37 |
ildikov | eglynn: so I don't assume that the developers read the whole admin guide first | 07:38 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... but if they need any information about how to set up and operate Telemetry, they should read it and they can find information on how to extend it in the Dev guide | 07:39 |
eglynn | ildikov: yeah, so the keys IMO are... | 07:39 |
eglynn | (a) where to draw the line between the subject matter in admin-orieinted dev-oriented docco (there is some corss-over I think) | 07:40 |
eglynn | and: | 07:40 |
eglynn | (b) allow at least some repetition of the base concepts, to reflect the reality that a lot of devs are not going to read full telemetry section of the admin guide before jumping into writing code | 07:41 |
ildikov | eglynn: TBH, our deveoper guide is not really a developer guide | 07:41 |
eglynn | yeah, for a long it was THE one and only guide | 07:41 |
eglynn | yeah, for a long *time it was THE one and only guide | 07:41 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... you can check the dev guide of Nova for instance, it's smaller than ours IIRC, because they do not duplicate information about how to operate Nova | 07:42 |
ildikov | eglynn: I thought so that it was the one and only, but now it will change | 07:42 |
eglynn | but yeah, slimming down the pipeline section in the dev section is fine | 07:42 |
eglynn | but I wouldn't totally eliminate it, as writing discovery extensions, pollsters etc is a developer task | 07:43 |
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eglynn | so devs would need to understand that context | 07:43 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... we are developing a user facing product, so we need to distinguish between the different types of documentation too | 07:43 |
ildikov | eglynn: the Admin guide is available online, so a link to the appropriate section of the admin guide will not hurt anyone | 07:44 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... we should avoid the bigger amount of duplication, because it will be out of sync after a while | 07:44 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... after a really short while actually | 07:44 |
eglynn | ildikov: is ceilometer completely user-facing? | 07:45 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... and nowadays our developer doc is more a user guide, than a developer doc | 07:45 |
ildikov | eglynn: why wouldn't it be? | 07:45 |
ildikov | eglynn: or let's say that operator facing, so we can argue about the user types in the system, but the point of my original question was not this | 07:46 |
eglynn | ildikov: because much of the motivation for collecting the data that we collect is more operator-facing | 07:46 |
ildikov | eglynn: yeap, but it's kinda the same thing, I mean the operator mostly doesn't want to develop new features to Telemetry/Ceilometer | 07:47 |
eglynn | by user-facing, I assumed end-user (e.g. the guy who spins up an instance) | 07:48 |
eglynn | anyway, that's a digression | 07:48 |
ildikov | eglynn: sorry, for me an operator is also a user with admin rights | 07:48 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... from our, as developer's, PoV I mean the operator is a user also | 07:49 |
ildikov | eglynn: anyway, that's still not the point, I will ad the relevant parts to the admin guide, in case of the pipelines mostly by reusing the content in the developer doc and if the Admin guide will be once out in the wild, then I will propose some changes to the Dev doc and then we can continue this discussion | 07:51 |
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eglynn | ok, I would make a different distinction between operators and users (in terms of their objectives etc.) but as you say that's not really the point | 07:52 |
eglynn | yeah, agreed, first priority is to get this content into the admin guide | 07:53 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... then it will be less theoretical at least :) | 07:53 |
eglynn | since that's what we';re under the kosh for, from the TC gap analysis PoV | 07:53 |
ildikov | eglynn: we need to make the amount of duplication to the minimum, but it's a next step | 07:53 |
eglynn | then we can slim down the in-tree docs to avoid the kind of duplication/divergence you mention | 07:54 |
eglynn | my own $0.02 is that we should be prepared to live with *some* duplication for pragmatic reasons | 07:54 |
eglynn | but yeah as you say, we can duke that out when you propose to removal patch to the in-tree docs | 07:55 |
ildikov | eglynn: my personal opinion is that if I have to read two sections from the Admin guide chapter of Telemetry to get the base concepts and then I can find more developer related docco in the Dev guide of Ceilometer to do some hacking, I would be more than satisfied... | 07:55 |
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ildikov | eglynn: ok, so I have the next step, will continue writing | 07:56 |
ildikov | eglynn: thanks for your time | 07:56 |
eglynn | ildikov: cool, thank *you* for your attention to this :) | 07:57 |
ildikov | eglynn: np, it was the last time I put my name anywhere as a docco driver ;) | 07:58 |
eglynn | jd__, sileht, ildikov: I'd love to get https://review.openstack.org/101009 over the line this morning, so that I can unblock the corresponding BP | 07:59 |
eglynn | ... otherwise I suspect the rel mgr will be gunning for that BP to be dropped from the juno slate | 07:59 |
eglynn | (... i.e. if it's still blocked on the spec landing at our 1:1 at 1145UTC) | 08:00 |
ildikov | eglynn: I saw your hint comment here yesterday, it's just not really my area, so I thought to give the possibility to other cores to have a look at and approve | 08:01 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... if there isn't any candidate, I will have one more look at it later (before 1145UTC) | 08:01 |
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eglynn | ildikov: thank you! | 08:02 |
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_nadya_ | guys, maybe it's already discussed somewhere... but what has happened with py26 job? "Could not find mongod command" | 08:15 |
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DinaBelova | _nadya_, yeah, that looks pretty strange | 09:36 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, ildikov - do you know what's going on there? like here: http://logs.openstack.org/71/112771/2/check/gate-ceilometer-python26/d6a7161/console.html | 09:37 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: "File Not Found"? | 09:37 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: I don't know what's going on, looks at first glance like build logs are being lost | 09:38 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: do the infra folks have any insight on this? | 09:38 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, hehe, no idea yet - the most suspicious thing is line "echo 'Could not find mongod command'" | 09:39 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: I'm not seeing that | 09:39 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, 2014-08-12 07:28:07.870 | Could not find mongod command | 09:39 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: meh! I messed up copying the link :) | 09:40 |
DinaBelova | hehe :) | 09:40 |
* eglynn dropped the "l" in .html ... | 09:40 | |
eglynn | k, looking now | 09:40 |
DinaBelova | eglynn - looks like "which mongod" returned actually nothing | 09:41 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: hmmm, smells like the infra folks have possibly changed their centos-6 image | 09:41 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, I suspect this as well | 09:41 |
DinaBelova | let me try ping someone in infra channel | 09:41 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: ... so previously I'd assume that the mongodb-server RPM was pre-installed in the centos-6 image used in the gate | 09:42 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: that would be great thanks! | 09:42 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, although the strange moment is that only python26 jobs are failing | 09:42 |
DinaBelova | is it consistent with this idea? | 09:42 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: yeah, so the py27 jobs run on Trusty | 09:42 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: (whereas only the py26 run on CentOS6) | 09:43 |
DinaBelova | a-ha! | 09:43 |
DinaBelova | okay, gotcha | 09:43 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: that said, I'm not 100% clear on how we ensure that the equivalent apt-get on the mongodb package is done on the Trusty slaves | 09:44 |
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eglynn | DinaBelova: ... i.e. whether it's baked into the Trusty image used by the gate, or installed on demand | 09:44 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, yeah, got it | 09:44 |
jd__ | eglynn: checkin' | 09:45 |
DinaBelova | jd__, thank you sir! | 09:45 |
eglynn | jd__: checkin' the bigger-data-sql BP review? | 09:46 |
jd__ | eglynn: yes – don't look at me like I'm lagging | 09:46 |
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DinaBelova | jd__, ah, sorry | 09:46 |
DinaBelova | I mixed two topics | 09:46 |
eglynn | jd__: thank you sir! :) | 09:46 |
DinaBelova | in my mind | 09:46 |
jd__ | DinaBelova: no problem :) | 09:46 |
DinaBelova | jd__, looks like I'm lagging :) | 09:47 |
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DinaBelova | blocked gate is not really funny thing | 09:48 |
openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer-specs: 'big-data' sql part 2 https://review.openstack.org/101009 | 09:51 |
jd__ | what's blocking DinaBelova ? | 09:51 |
DinaBelova | jd__ - ceilo py26 job is constantly failing | 09:52 |
DinaBelova | jd__ - like here - like here: http://logs.openstack.org/71/112771/2/check/gate-ceilometer-python26/d6a7161/console.html | 09:52 |
DinaBelova | jd__ - Could not find mongod command | 09:52 |
jd__ | Could not find mongod command | 09:52 |
jd__ | erf | 09:52 |
jd__ | did you check the infra config repository? | 09:52 |
jd__ | there might have been some change these last days triggering that | 09:52 |
DinaBelova | jd__, one moment please, /me in progress | 09:53 |
jd__ | hehe go ahead | 09:53 |
DinaBelova | jd__ - that's not so easy :D | 09:53 |
DinaBelova | jd__ - I see nothing special there among the commits that might cause smth like this :-\ | 09:56 |
eglynn | jd__: thank you sir! | 09:56 |
eglynn | ... /me unblocks https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/bigger-data-sql in the nick of time :) | 09:56 |
jd__ | DinaBelova: too bad | 09:56 |
DinaBelova | jd__, :( | 09:57 |
jd__ | time to go and rant on #openstack-infra | 09:59 |
DinaBelova | jd__, /me already | 09:59 |
DinaBelova | no answer yet :) | 09:59 |
DinaBelova | jd__, btw - don't see logs like that on logstash :-\ looks like they were not uploaded there yet | 10:01 |
jd__ | a mystery | 10:02 |
jd__ | a great opportunity for Dina Holmes | 10:02 |
ildikov | DinaBelova: not helping much, but the topic is on the ML too: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042704.html | 10:02 |
DinaBelova | jd__ :D | 10:02 |
DinaBelova | ildikov, a-ha, thanks | 10:03 |
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ildikov | DinaBelova: so there is +1 vote for the missing Mongo install, but it still sounds strange to me :S | 10:05 |
DinaBelova | ildikov, if the image was updated it might be no mongo on it and that's it | 10:06 |
DinaBelova | ildikov - strange situation, but technically that's possible | 10:06 |
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ildikov | DinaBelova: yeap, sure, in that case it's possible | 10:06 |
eglynn | jd__: you may wanna cast your eye over this gnocchi thread http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042080.html | 10:10 |
eglynn | jd__: ... just to check that /me is not telling lies in that discussion with sandy | 10:10 |
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eglynn | DinaBelova: I'm hearing chatter internally about the epel6 mongod package being retired for some "security reasons" | 10:14 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, wowow! | 10:15 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, actually I have no idea what should be done in this case | 10:16 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: *possibly* it was an unintended side-effect of https://fedorahosted.org/rel-eng/ticket/5963 | 10:16 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, a-ha | 10:16 |
* DinaBelova reading | 10:16 | |
eglynn | DinaBelova: mongo not listed there specifically, that's just a working theory | 10:16 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, okay, I'll keep this in mind | 10:16 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: I'll follow up with the Red Hat guy who apparently has a bit more on this when he comes online later on today | 10:17 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, okay, cool | 10:17 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, thank you so much | 10:17 |
eglynn | np! | 10:17 |
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eglynn | DinaBelova: seems like we may be out of the woods on that one | 10:33 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: the epel6 retirement was reverted http://pkgs.fedoraproject.org/cgit/mongodb.git/commit/?h=el6 | 10:33 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, a-ha! | 10:33 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, so we need some rechecks I guess | 10:34 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: ... minimal detail in either the original or reverting commit | 10:34 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: ... smells like someone cleaning up after a mistake and hoping no one will notice :) | 10:34 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, it looks so, yes :) | 10:34 |
DinaBelova | but that's good for us | 10:34 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: ... yep I've kicked off a reverify onhttps://review.openstack.org/112980 to check | 10:35 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, okay, let's wait :) | 10:35 |
eglynn | cool | 10:35 |
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eglynn | DinaBelova: ... latest I hear is that it was indeed a mistake, couchdb was the intended victim | 10:38 |
eglynn | meh! one DB is much the same as another, what could possibly go wrong? | 10:38 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, lol | 10:39 |
DinaBelova | yeah, that's rough mistake for sure | 10:39 |
DinaBelova | it was scary :) | 10:39 |
eglynn | yeap | 10:39 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: meh, still failing ... it'll prolly take a while for the mirrors to catch up | 10:41 |
eglynn | https://jenkins07.openstack.org/job/gate-ceilometer-python26/902/consoleText | 10:41 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, I see in the zuul that it's failing | 10:41 |
DinaBelova | yeah | 10:41 |
DinaBelova | I just wanted to write you :) | 10:41 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, well, possibly that's not so quick fix | 10:41 |
eglynn | yeah, we prolly just need to wait a few hours for everything to propogate | 10:41 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, +1 | 10:41 |
eglynn | ¡Ay, caramba! ... the restore of mongodb to epel6 may take a bit longer than I thought :( | 10:55 |
eglynn | (may require a retag for example, one of the Red Hat folks is chasing that down) | 10:55 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: ^^^ | 10:55 |
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DinaBelova | eglynn, that's bad :( | 11:05 |
DinaBelova | that means gate will be blocked until that'll be done | 11:05 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: yeap, totally, the investigation is on-going | 11:06 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, ok - please keep in touch with me about this issue, if that's not hard for you - all gate locks make me crazy : | 11:10 |
DinaBelova | :) | 11:10 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: s/all gate locks/all gate logs/ ? | 11:10 |
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DinaBelova | eglynn, I meant blocks | 11:10 |
DinaBelova | ЖВ | 11:10 |
DinaBelova | :D | 11:10 |
DinaBelova | oh, sorry, wrong layout | 11:10 |
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eglynn | a-ha, got it! | 11:10 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, :D we have too many letters in the alphabet :D | 11:11 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: yeap, I hear ya ... to simplify, I propose that we all standardize on the Ogham alphabet ;) | 11:14 |
eglynn | http://unicode-table.com/en/sections/ogham/ | 11:14 |
eglynn | ... all in favour, shout ᚗ !! | 11:14 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, :D:D:D | 11:14 |
DinaBelova | 32 letters instead of russian 33 :D | 11:14 |
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DinaBelova | not so big performance :D | 11:14 |
DinaBelova | although much simpler for sure | 11:15 |
eglynn | perfect for carving on rocks also | 11:15 |
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eglynn | DinaBelova: FYI mongo retagging has been submited https://admin.fedoraproject.org/updates/mongodb-2.4.6-5.el6 | 11:22 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, yay! | 11:23 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: pbrady is actively chasing +1s on that | 11:23 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, that's really cool, thank you for the pushing this initiative | 11:23 |
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openstackgerrit | Ilya Tyaptin proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: [HBase] Catch AlreadyExists error in Connection upgrade https://review.openstack.org/113504 | 11:57 |
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jd__ | eglynn: good answers on that Gnocchi thread, no worries | 12:11 |
eglynn | jd__: cool, thanks for wading thru' it | 12:11 |
openstackgerrit | Vitaly Gridnev proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Update docs with Sahara notifications configuration https://review.openstack.org/113272 | 12:15 |
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openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: normalise resource data https://review.openstack.org/111313 | 12:48 |
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openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: [HBase] Refactor hbase.utils https://review.openstack.org/111270 | 12:59 |
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_nadya_ | eglynn: hi! I've added the comment in the patch about 'per disk metering'. Please take a look https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111038/6/ceilometer/compute/pollsters/disk.py | 13:05 |
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cdent | eglynn: figured out the agent-collector ordering stuff: https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1355809 | 13:24 |
eglynn | thanks! | 13:25 |
* eglynn looks | 13:25 | |
eglynn | cdent: nice one! ... the AMQP restart explains why I didn't see it my simple test | 13:26 |
* cdent nods | 13:26 | |
* eglynn gets away without being classified an idiot ... | 13:26 | |
eglynn | ... for now! ;) | 13:26 |
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cdent | eglynn: are there docs somewhere that ought to be updated with this discovery? It seems like it really only matters for test environments (where that first polling is important). | 13:33 |
eglynn | cdent: maybe worth a note in the new admin guide | 13:34 |
ildikov | eglynn: do we have anything about testing in the Dev docs? | 13:34 |
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ildikov | eglynn: and of course I will add a note to the admin guide too :) | 13:37 |
openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Adding comparison operators in query for event traits https://review.openstack.org/112582 | 13:40 |
openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: switch to sqlalchemy core https://review.openstack.org/113524 | 13:44 |
openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: switch to sqlalchemy core https://review.openstack.org/113524 | 13:46 |
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eglynn | ildikov: sorry, on a call there | 13:58 |
eglynn | ildikov: ... re. testing, I think though that this ordering issue could apply to any situation where AMQP is restarted (e.g. an upgrade) | 13:58 |
ildikov | eglynn: np | 13:58 |
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ildikov | eglynn: yeap, I know, I was just wondering if need anything to written down as we have now a growing set of Tempest tests too, etc. | 13:59 |
ildikov | eglynn: ... anyway, not top prio | 13:59 |
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eglynn | ildikov: we may have a shrinking set of Tempest tests | 14:08 |
eglynn | ildikov: (when the in-tree func testing thing gets off the ground) | 14:08 |
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ildikov | eglynn: right, I always forget that it's not an ideal world that we are living in... | 14:13 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/gnocchi: Switch to tooz 0.3 https://review.openstack.org/113267 | 14:23 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: o/ | 14:26 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: re. that mongodb coverage thread, seems like a consensus is emerging on keeping both sql-a and mongodb coverage | 14:28 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: does either option (a) or (b) discribed here http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-August/042651.html sound sane to you? | 14:30 |
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DinaBelova | eglynn, I was thinking about making just voting job - afair it was b | 14:31 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: cool :) ... would you be up for proposing an infra patch for that? | 14:32 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, of course sir :) | 14:32 |
eglynn | DinaBelova: thank you! :) | 14:32 |
DinaBelova | eglynn, np! | 14:32 |
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openstackgerrit | Nejc Saje proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Central agent work-load partitioning https://review.openstack.org/113549 | 15:05 |
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openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: switch to sqlalchemy core https://review.openstack.org/113524 | 15:09 |
openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed a change to stackforge/gnocchi: storage: implement archiving policy https://review.openstack.org/113555 | 15:21 |
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prad | gordc, eglynn, Could you give your input on Nadya's comments in https://review.openstack.org/#/c/111038/ | 15:29 |
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eglynn | prad: done | 15:57 |
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eglynn | amalagon: o/ | 16:03 |
amalagon | o/ | 16:03 |
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eglynn | 1:1 time? | 16:03 |
amalagon | yep! | 16:03 |
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openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: Allow tests to run outside tox https://review.openstack.org/110262 | 16:50 |
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openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: switch to sqlalchemy core https://review.openstack.org/113524 | 17:53 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Set page size when Glance API request is called https://review.openstack.org/106304 | 18:37 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Replace assertTrue with assertIsNotNone for check an object https://review.openstack.org/82764 | 18:42 |
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openstackgerrit | gordon chung proposed a change to openstack/ceilometer: switch to sqlalchemy core https://review.openstack.org/113524 | 19:11 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: correct DB2 installation supported features documentation https://review.openstack.org/113051 | 20:15 |
openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Add notifications for identity authenticate events https://review.openstack.org/111656 | 20:15 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Allow tests to run outside tox https://review.openstack.org/110262 | 21:20 |
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flwang | eglynn: any lucky you there? | 22:05 |
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openstackgerrit | A change was merged to openstack/ceilometer: Avoid duplication of discovery for multi-sink sources https://review.openstack.org/112980 | 23:36 |
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