Tuesday, 2015-06-16

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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer: Fix script name in tox.ini for Elasticsearch  https://review.openstack.org/19187200:12
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openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Spec to remove the pipeline from the api server  https://review.openstack.org/14310303:39
openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/ceilometer: Use notification-agent to post samples(WIP)  https://review.openstack.org/19204503:40
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openstackgerritRyota MIBU proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Add spec for event alarm evaluator  https://review.openstack.org/17289305:29
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Imported Translations from Transifex  https://review.openstack.org/19049706:12
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19171406:35
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer-specs: Spec for using a aggregation pipeline in MongoDB  https://review.openstack.org/16834907:01
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gordc^ for those interested in midcycle, i probably should've posted this earlier but please add topics you are interested in... if we have no topics we don't really need a midcycle (unless it's just to party)08:47
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/ceilometer-specs: Dynamic pipeline configuration using file reloading  https://review.openstack.org/18861309:01
ildikovgordc: could we use it for hacking like sort out the code split, etc?09:09
gordcyes we could. i think jd__ said he'd need help09:09
gordcalso i think the agent code will be a lot too.09:09
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ildikovso we could have a kind of hackfest maybe09:15
ildikovI don't know how the event alarm evaluator will evolve, but we have a quite long list for future lifecycle there too09:15
ildikovso if the guys can come we can sort out a few things there too09:15
ildikovwe can check the etherpad for status and deal with the high prio stuff, I mean hands on as opposed to just talking09:18
ildikovgordc: sounds good enough or still sounds like a party? :)09:19
gordcildikov: are you adding this to the etherpad?09:19
gordcildikov: i think we have different definitions of 'party'09:19
ildikovgordc: that can happen :)09:20
gordcildikov: :) i need to go ask my boss tonight. i'll mention the party stuff09:21
gordcildikov: i added a comment to this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/19148309:21
openstackgerritAleksey Ripinen proposed openstack/ceilometer: Samples with last timestamp in sqlalchemy backend  https://review.openstack.org/18967009:22
gordcildikov: the change in performance is actually pretty small... i'm getting the query optimiser is doing something special... or we are doing something wrong elsewhere.09:22
ildikovgordc: cool, just don't mention your boss the alcohol and other drugs ;)09:23
cdentApparently I've arrived in channel at the best time09:23
ildikovgordc: I saw the numbers09:23
silehtjd__, https://github.com/grafana/grafana-plugins/pull/2409:23
gordccdent: it got very serious. we know you don't joke around.09:24
ildikovare they good enough to change that function?09:24
cdentThat's right sir. I am always on task09:24
ildikovgordc: LOL :)09:24
jd__sileht: \o/09:25
gordcildikov: i debate that too.. it is better... just not 'this is amazing' better... it's more just a self-pat-on-the-back better09:25
silehtjd__, the 'templating thing' of grafana does really match our API, but I have written something that at least list our resources09:26
ildikovgordc: :)09:26
ildikovgordc: I know we have a constraint there regarding to duplicates, but I'm not 100% convinced at the moment09:26
silehtjd__, no more JS for me before my holiday09:27
jd__sileht: you meant 'does not' ?09:27
ildikovgordc: what is per project pipeline? (I'mm not finished with my morning coffee yet, so I prolly ask smth obvious...)09:27
gordcildikov: fair enough. i'll mark it wip for now09:28
gordcildikov: it's sort of related to your pipeline spec from a long time ago.09:28
silehtjd__, the 'Templating UI' is not configurable (like the query UI) and the field proposed is clearly thinked for graphite and influx09:28
ildikovgordc: sorry, I didn't want to kill that small patch09:28
jd__sileht: ok09:28
ildikovgordc: this is what I thought, so that is why I asked :)09:29
gordcildikov: someone had a request to be able to handle 'sharding' on ceilometer side. ie. you control where the data gets stored to based on project.09:29
silehtjd__, graphite and influx have just a notion of TAG, when gnocchi is much more precise about their attributes09:29
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gordcildikov: not your full spec of controlling polling at project level though09:29
ildikovgordc: yeap, it's another aspect of my ancient bp09:30
silehtjd__, our attributes are against resources, not metrics, when on graphite and influx the tag are directly on metric09:30
gordcildikov: yeah, the basic idea is you can say proj1, proj2 meters go to one db, proj3 goes to another db09:30
ildikovgordc: I think more granular config is still a need, but I know we have other fires to fight with before that09:30
ildikovgordc: got it, but it will fall back to get the config from db as you have the info there09:31
ildikovgordc: I mean, projects are created dynamically09:32
gordcildikov: yeah, but if you have different config for collector (groups) you can point to different db.09:32
silehtjd__, but Gnocchi API is smarter about that, you don't have to use they Templating system to create graph like 'all cpu_util of all instances of project_id foobar'09:32
gordcildikov:right. so i guess that was the other part. i don't know how to do it dynamically... lol09:32
_nadya_sileht: are you discussing new Gnocchi API? :)09:33
gordcildikov: all i know is that right now in a production, ceilometer apparently can generate 20Gb/min and if we don't have multiple dbs, stuff will hit the fan real quick.09:33
openstackgerritliusheng proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Spec to remove the pipeline from the api server  https://review.openstack.org/14310309:34
_nadya_sileht: that's great! do we have some centralized doc or spec? There are some thoughts from our side about this09:34
ildikovgordc: I got that part, but this per project config sounds complex for me, I mean if we do one step now for DB then we should think about where it leads09:35
_nadya_sileht: or you gonna discuss this here or on mid-cycle summit?09:35
sileht_nadya_, I will publish a short blog post about what I have done for grafana with Gnocchi09:35
ildikovgordc: and again, the dynamic part brings the pain09:35
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jd__sileht: I like when you say smarter09:37
jd__gordc: for events?09:37
gordcildikov: yeah, i didn't try to figure out the dynamic part yet.lol09:38
_nadya_gordc: hi, Gordon! What about mid-cycle meetings? Will it take place? Or no decision yet?09:38
gordcjd__: for meters.09:38
gordci guess gnocchi would solve the 20gb issue.. but i think there's still a requirement for multiple 'gnocchi/dbs'09:39
gordc_nadya_:hmm... let me check the doodle09:39
_nadya_gordc: oh, I guess I can do it by myself :)09:41
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ildikovgordc: the devil hides behind the details ;)09:43
ildikovgordc: do we have a minimum number of attendees to have the mid-cycle?09:44
gordc_nadya_: we have up to 7 ... if we chose july20-2309:44
gordcildikov: tbh, i don't think we will ever reach double digits considering how distributed our contributer base is.09:45
_nadya_gordc: the place is still under discussion?09:45
gordc_nadya_: yeah, i think jasonamyers will get back to us... but somewhere in EU probably.09:46
ildikovgordc: I got somem maybes last week, I will encourage the guys that if they really plan to come then add ttheir names there09:46
gordc_nadya_: western EU... if you're looking at a budget... ireland, paris, berlin?09:46
gordcildikov: cool cool.09:47
gordci think realistically it'll be difficult for the APAC developers... and some Americas dev.09:48
_nadya_gordc: good, I will talk to our management today. Maybe some from my french colleagues will be able to visit09:48
_nadya_gordc: so Paris looks the best09:49
ildikovgordc: you mean the location?09:49
gordc_nadya_: sounds good. target july 20-2309:49
gordcildikov: yeah.09:49
ildikov_nadya_: I still have the plain ticket from the almost January mid-cycle to Dublin, so I would prefer that option :)09:50
gordcildikov:sell it on craigslist.09:50
ildikovgordc: only the date can be changed on it, I can't cancel or sell or modify the destination...09:51
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gordcsell your identity with it.09:51
ildikovgordc: I don't plan to sell my ID along with the plane ticket :)09:51
gordcsimilar thoughts i see.09:51
_nadya_ildikov: ok!09:51
ildikovyeap :)09:51
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ildikov_nadya_: it of course does not mean that I don't go if the final verdict will be Paris09:52
_nadya_ildikov: :)09:53
cdentgordc: we need to have a converation about software architecture09:53
cdentyou say: "i sort of think this makes the notification agent 'too dumb'?"09:54
ildikovcdent: now that sounds serious :)09:54
cdent"dumb" should always be the goal, yeah?09:54
cdentif it ain't dumb, it's broken09:54
cdentqed: openstack is broken09:55
cdentlet's make it more dumb09:55
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gordccdent: your logic is sound. i have no rebuttal09:55
cdentIN YOUR FACE09:55
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gordccdent: go stare at the sea.09:56
cdentwhen I don't show up on a call in a little while and get asked about it later can I say "gordc said I had to go stare at the sea"?09:57
gordccdent: yeah, i don't really have an answer to the too dumb part... i sort of would like to for the agent to do something.09:57
gordccdent: i use that excuse if i could... i have very good attention when staring at the sea... and a beer in hand.09:58
cdentit chooses what to listen to and does the transformations from notification -> sample or event, yeah, just not the calculations that the second half of pipeline.yaml describes?09:58
gordccdent: ah i see.. i thought it offload that crap too... yeah only probably i can see with that is that it's building stuff it may never use.09:59
gordccdent: same for polling agent split.09:59
cdentMind you I'm halfway making this stuff up I've still not finished my audit of the code because gnocchi keeps being busted (in the name of excellent progress) and that gets the priority09:59
cdentwhy would it be building stuff it never uses?10:00
gordccdent: fair enough. i'll let you guys break gnocchi, and i'll break ceilometer.10:00
cdentchoosing what to hear/poll and choosing what to transform are/should-be two different things ?10:00
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gordccdent: i see.. so you want to break the pipeline in two. sources go to agents, sinks go to this 'pipeline-agent'10:01
cdentThat's the issue I'm trying to figure out: the agents should configure what they hear but something _else_ should configure what the transforms (and dispatch) on the stuff heard is10:01
cdentyes, exactly10:01
cdentOr rather, I'm not sure I want it, but I think we need to consider if that option is a reasonable one to pursue because if it is, now when we are splitting repos may be the time.10:03
gordccdent: seems like a sane argument... something to test out i guess.10:03
gordccdent:i think it's going to be another repo split process i think... might be too much work to go crazy and smash ceilometer all at once.10:03
cdentI wrote this down last week as a thing I'd like to try but haven't yet scraped out the time: https://tank.peermore.com/tanks/cdent-rhat/StandalonePollster10:03
cdentHULK SMASH10:04
cdentnow really brb10:04
gordci'm going to go eat and ask manager for midcycle approval. bbl10:06
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openstackgerritAleksey Ripinen proposed openstack/ceilometer: Cover impl_db2 by tests  https://review.openstack.org/18225310:17
jd__gordc: not sure, but yeah Gnocchi solves it10:21
openstackgerritAleksey Ripinen proposed openstack/ceilometer: Cover hbase and mongodb by tests  https://review.openstack.org/18091310:24
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openstackgerritMerged openstack/gnocchi: Introduce gnocchi-metricd  https://review.openstack.org/19065810:41
jasonamyersGordc still up for discussion Fabio mentioned our Berlin office10:49
gordcjasonamyers: cool cool. i think there's a slight preference for ireland if possible but i think we can do another vote for that.11:09
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ildikovgordc: \o/ :)11:17
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jd__"production grade"11:49
jd__what a troll11:49
cdentI wondered how you would react to that11:50
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jd__cdent: surprised? ;)11:54
jd__though I'm not going to reply to the thread as there is already my answer into that mail so I'm not sure what more I can bring other than noise11:55
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pasquier-sjd__, sorry but no troll was intended12:07
jd__pasquier-s: no offense taken :)12:08
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thorstHi!  I'm looking at what the process is to integrate a new compute inspector?  I'm working on the nova compute PowerVM driver.  Should I simply start with a blue print, or is some background info needed beforehand?12:11
jasonamyersBTW is code the next step for my spec?12:13
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cdentjasonamyers: if it has merged, then yeah12:15
jasonamyersexcellent on it12:16
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openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/ceilometer: Remove useless execute bit on rst file  https://review.openstack.org/19218212:51
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cdentjd__: on your aodh posting are you looking for responses from people like me or people not like me?13:35
jd__cdent: if that's not people13:37
jd__cdent: if that's not people like you I don't know who it's gonna be13:38
cdentThat's kinda my point. Yeah, of course I'll respond if needed but getting input from me on questions like this is almost redundant.13:39
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openstackgerritPradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/ceilometer: Fix alarm rest notifier logging to include severity  https://review.openstack.org/19219913:44
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jd__cdent: does not matter, if nobody care except us, that's it13:55
cdenttrue enough13:55
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jasonamyersokay so on the July 20-22nd, we can provide a conference room in Dublin, IE to sit up to 20.14:05
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ildikovjasonamyers: thanks for the news14:08
ildikovjasonamyers: sounds so far so good :)14:09
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openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: utils: replace utcnow() by new oslo.utils version  https://review.openstack.org/19222514:33
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silehtjd__, why in aodh we still have a ceilometer directory with one migration script ?14:39
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jd__sileht: ah rebase issue :)15:09
jd__sileht: fixed :)15:10
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cdentjd__: have you got that missing bit of code for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/191087/ Get that in there and we'll have that once giant stack of dependencies all merged up and: yay and stuff15:25
jd__cdent: oh yeah I was waiting for the previous patch to merge, let me fix that15:25
openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: metricd: start several processes to process more metric  https://review.openstack.org/19108715:27
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openstackgerritJulien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: utils: replace utcnow() by new oslo.utils version  https://review.openstack.org/19222515:29
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openstackgerritPradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/ceilometer: Gnocchi Dispatcher support in Ceilometer  https://review.openstack.org/17820916:08
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openstackgerritChris Dent proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Spec for sending polled meters to notification agent  https://review.openstack.org/19228616:57
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19171417:18
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometermiddleware: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19229417:18
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19171419:14
openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometermiddleware: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19229419:14
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Updated from global requirements  https://review.openstack.org/19043419:22
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openstackgerritDoug Hellmann proposed openstack/ceilometer: Update version for Liberty  https://review.openstack.org/19239919:50
openstackgerritRohit Jaiswal proposed openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Removes whitespace from CLI queries  https://review.openstack.org/19241819:54
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