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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/ceilometer: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/199896 | 06:14 |
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| jasonamyers | good morning | 06:18 |
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| openstackgerrit | OpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/aodh: Imported Translations from Transifex https://review.openstack.org/199409 | 06:25 |
| openstackgerrit | Miguel Grinberg proposed openstack/ceilometer: Tolerate alarm actions set to None https://review.openstack.org/199909 | 06:30 |
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| cdent | morning all | 06:41 |
| idegtiarov | morning!!! | 06:42 |
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| jasonamyers | hey cdent and idegtiarov | 06:43 |
| cdent | you got the snacks jasonamyers ? | 06:43 |
| jasonamyers | yes | 06:43 |
| jasonamyers | it's 1:45AM so it's coffee and water all around | 06:44 |
| jasonamyers | but in Dec I will make sure there are enough cookies to cause diabetes | 06:44 |
| _nadya_ | hello folks! | 06:45 |
| jasonamyers | hey _nadya_ | 06:45 |
| ityaptin | hi! | 06:45 |
| cdent | here's the hangout link: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/event/ctemrfbaldn2hfi2iam4v16cqfc | 06:45 |
| cdent | (one of several different links, google is so bad about cool uris) | 06:46 |
| ildikov | morning | 06:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Vilgelm proposed openstack/ceilometer: Remove fileutils https://review.openstack.org/199515 | 06:53 |
| cdent | etherpad was being a real pain yesterday I hope it is as bad today | 06:54 |
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| ildikov | for me it's a pain every second day it always disconnects... | 06:55 |
| * cdent has a sad: | 06:55 | |
| cdent | I couldn't find a thermos so I have two cups of coffee cooling besdie me | 06:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Vilgelm proposed openstack/ceilometer: [WIP] Remove fileutils https://review.openstack.org/199515 | 06:56 |
| cdent | jasonamyers: if you kill your video you might lower some of _nadya_'s lag, hangouts is weird that way | 07:01 |
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| jd__ | yop | 07:14 |
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| cdent | morning jd__ you gonna join the party | 07:16 |
| jd__ | cdent: "The video call is full" | 07:17 |
| cdent | carp | 07:17 |
| jd__ | how many people are connected? | 07:18 |
| zqfan_afk | jd__: 10 | 07:18 |
| cdent | ten-ish | 07:18 |
| jd__ | yeah that's the max | 07:19 |
| jd__ | cdent: do you know if we can host public BJ? | 07:19 |
| jd__ | 'cause I know it scales to 100 | 07:19 |
| cdent | jd__: we have one ready to go but people preferred hangouts | 07:19 |
| jd__ | ah | 07:19 |
| jd__ | tough choice :D | 07:20 |
| cdent | didn't think we were going to cross the ten threshold | 07:20 |
| jd__ | yeah I'm surprised too | 07:20 |
| jasonamyers | jd__ if you are interested in this topic I can drop to let you in | 07:20 |
| jd__ | what's the topic? I missed the agenda | 07:20 |
| cdent | I've already dropped so I can do some investigating | 07:20 |
| cdent | agenda: https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=cXZqcTY2ZXJjcnYxbG9kaGtoMHZwNmxrNDRAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ | 07:20 |
| jasonamyers | jd__: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-integration-tests | 07:20 |
| jd__ | I'm just back from vacation so I'm lagging on everything | 07:20 |
| jd__ | thanks cdent for the agenda | 07:20 |
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| jd__ | cdent: which timezone is this ? | 07:21 |
| cdent | says in lower left: gmt+0 (utc) | 07:21 |
| jd__ | cdent: riiiight didn't see that, I've a huuuuge screen :p | 07:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/gnocchi: ceph: make the driver asynchronous https://review.openstack.org/199140 | 07:23 |
| jd__ | I left my spot I'm not interested (yet) in rally | 07:23 |
| jd__ | I'll join the next one though | 07:23 |
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| cdent | jd__: I kinda think that maybe the 10 people limit might be a good thing, just to keep things focused? Not sure though | 07:26 |
| jd__ | cdent: yeah, if we're just 10-12 that should be ok | 07:26 |
| jd__ | it's also likely people rushed in for the first spot but are going to be busy later and leave | 07:26 |
| jd__ | if we end up having 10 more people waiting to enter we'll reconsider :) | 07:27 |
| cdent | the bluejeans thing remains an option if it comes up but I bet people don't have the plugin installed | 07:27 |
| jasonamyers | I'm happy to move in and out just ping me on irc | 07:27 |
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| jasonamyers | cdent: can you hop back in? | 07:32 |
| therve | sileht, jd__ : Hey! Is https://review.openstack.org/#/c/199909/ quickly approvable? I broke stuff apparently | 07:34 |
| jd__ | therve: got a test? | 07:34 |
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| therve | jd__, I guess. Didn't write the patch though. | 07:34 |
| zqfan_afk | headphone doesn't work any more, forced to quit temporarily | 07:36 |
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| therve | jd__, It's unfortunate that wsme allows None in place where you expect a list :/ | 07:39 |
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| cdent | jasonamyers: if you're going to be in there and something comes up (in terms of the process is not going as planned) give me a ping | 07:58 |
| cdent | otherwise jd__ I've made room for you on the call for the next topic; at the end of it can you poll the participants to see if they need/want a second session on the same topic tomorrow? | 07:58 |
| jd__ | ok | 07:59 |
| jd__ | i'll try to remember that :D | 07:59 |
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| jasonamyers | there is still an open spot cdent | 08:01 |
| cdent | jasonamyers: I'll give it a few and then come back | 08:01 |
| jd__ | who is sheng Liu? | 08:01 |
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| cdent | jd__: makes senset that that would be liusheng | 08:03 |
| jd__ | ah the other way around :D | 08:03 |
| jd__ | liusheng: you're posting weird screenshot on G+ | 08:03 |
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| sileht | therve, oh god what is this | 08:04 |
| liusheng | jd__: sorry, a mistake by my colleague | 08:04 |
| jd__ | liusheng: well you could clean that up :) | 08:05 |
| * sileht hates the JSONEncodedDict sqlalchemy data type | 08:05 | |
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| liusheng | jd__: sorry, we tried, but cannot find how to | 08:05 |
| jd__ | cdent: there's still a spot I think | 08:05 |
| jd__ | liusheng: arf ok | 08:05 |
| liusheng | first time using this app | 08:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Sergey Vilgelm proposed openstack/ceilometer: [WIP] Switch to the oslo_utils.fileutils https://review.openstack.org/199515 | 08:09 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/ceilometer: Tolerate alarm actions set to None https://review.openstack.org/199909 | 08:12 |
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| sileht | therve, I have added a test and a comment of where we fail in the past ^^ | 08:13 |
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| therve | sileht, Awesome, thanks | 08:14 |
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| openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Transformers for events pipeline https://review.openstack.org/162167 | 08:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Igor Degtiarov proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: Transformers for events pipeline https://review.openstack.org/162167 | 08:21 |
| ildikov | gordc: morning :) | 08:23 |
| ildikov | gordc: just a quick check whether you're awake or joined the hangouts while you were still sleeping | 08:24 |
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| prad | cdent, morning | 08:36 |
| cdent | morning prad | 08:37 |
| prad | all going as planned i hope? | 08:37 |
| cdent | yeah, working out just fine so far prad | 08:37 |
| prad | looks like the hangout is full | 08:37 |
| prad | not letting me in | 08:37 |
| cdent | yeah, there's a limit of 10 and we've decided that's basically a good thing: more than that it gets noisy, but if we do need to go over bluejeans can handle it | 08:38 |
| prad | yea | 08:39 |
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| jasonamyers | prad you can have my spot in the next session | 08:40 |
| prad | cool, so v3 apis going on right now? | 08:41 |
| prad | its 4:40~ AM here, i'll go make some coffee meanwhile | 08:42 |
| jasonamyers | yeah prad | 08:47 |
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| jd__ | I'm out for now, let me know if you need me later :) | 08:54 |
| jasonamyers | gordc https://github.com/kennethreitz/requests/labels/Planned | 08:54 |
| jasonamyers | that's how is done for python requests | 08:54 |
| jasonamyers | using github | 08:54 |
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| jasonamyers | they have someone go in and comment up all the planned work | 08:57 |
| jasonamyers | but the planned tag is something we use to get resources to help | 08:57 |
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| * cdent misses github issues (when compared with launchpad) | 09:01 | |
| gordc | jasonamyers: cool cool. yeah my concern is writing stuff that is important to one set of cores, but when leadership changes, that goals may change. | 09:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/aodh: Tolerate alarm actions set to None https://review.openstack.org/199974 | 09:02 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: want to avoid listing stuff that aren't guaranteed | 09:03 |
| cdent | gordc that right there, in a nutshell, is one of the major failings of openstack as opensource | 09:03 |
| cdent | fear of being held to a commitment when none was made | 09:03 |
| cdent | EnterpriseSource™ | 09:04 |
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| gordc | cdent: sorry multi-tasking... failings or 'agile' | 09:08 |
| * cdent dies | 09:08 | |
| gordc | you don't like agile? we do scrum | 09:08 |
| * cdent sighs and then dies again | 09:08 | |
| cdent | if mgt instituted it, then it is not agile | 09:09 |
| jasonamyers | gordc: like so many things something is better than nothing | 09:09 |
| jasonamyers | it's not a commitment it's a list of things the cores would like to accomplish | 09:10 |
| jasonamyers | as cores come and go they can edit and change | 09:10 |
| r-mibu | what is current topic? | 09:10 |
| ildikov | gordc: if we have goals like stability and performance improvements and we know what to do for it, it shouldn't be something that's dropped, when we have new cores on board | 09:10 |
| jasonamyers | event based alarming | 09:10 |
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| r-mibu | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/event-based-alarming | 09:11 |
| cdent | r-mibu: event based alarming | 09:11 |
| cdent | jinz | 09:11 |
| jasonamyers | living document type thing *only posted that so cdent would sigh again* | 09:11 |
| r-mibu | Question #1? | 09:11 |
| cdent | x | 09:11 |
| cdent | r-mibu: I'm not on the call | 09:11 |
| ildikov | r-mibu: the topic seems to be the split | 09:13 |
| r-mibu | thanks | 09:13 |
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| cdent | gordc: if you're on the current call, can you figure out before the end of it if another session is needed tomorrow? | 09:27 |
| _nadya_ | э | 09:30 |
| _nadya_ | э | 09:30 |
| _nadya_ | sorry, my son is making some fun | 09:31 |
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| jasonamyers | :) | 09:35 |
| jasonamyers | he'll be patching ceilometer in no time | 09:35 |
| jasonamyers | he's already better than me :P | 09:36 |
| _nadya_ | :D | 09:36 |
| _nadya_ | folks, are we gonna discuss the roadmap tomorrow or the ways how to manage the roadmap (and the project)? | 09:36 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/aodh: Tolerate alarm actions set to None https://review.openstack.org/199974 | 09:37 |
| openstackgerrit | Mehdi Abaakouk (sileht) proposed openstack/ceilometer: Tolerate alarm actions set to None https://review.openstack.org/199909 | 09:38 |
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| cdent | _nadya_: I reckon that every session is talking about what the roadmap is or will be, at least in some fasion. The renamed session tomorrow morning is about how to make sure the roadmap is captured | 09:41 |
| jasonamyers | _nadya_: yeah in place of the APIv3 section | 09:41 |
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| ildikov | would that make sense to move that session later, I mean if we want to summarize what we discussed within these two days? | 09:44 |
| ildikov | or at least leave some room closer to the end of the mid-cycle? | 09:44 |
| ildikov | although I don't know how many people we will have on board at that time | 09:44 |
| _nadya_ | I think that after todays' sessions the schedule will be fixed a bit. because some of sessions may not be needed | 09:46 |
| openstackgerrit | Pradeep Kilambi proposed openstack/ceilometer: Declarative meters support https://review.openstack.org/197633 | 09:47 |
| cdent | ildikov: I kind of thing the delete or deprecate sessions (which are intentionally vague and long) can capture a lot of the "so where we going" questioning | 09:47 |
| _nadya_ | cdent: thanks, Chris. The roadmap is a very painful for me now that's why I'm asking. It's really important question | 09:48 |
| ildikov | yeap, reusing would've been my next question, thanks cdent, I support the idea | 09:49 |
| cdent | yeah, totally agree | 09:49 |
| gordc | cdent: sure | 09:50 |
| ildikov | cool, I'm glad I finally brought it up, I've been missing it for a while now | 09:50 |
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| cdent | gordc: also can you remind people to drop if they are not interesting in the forthcoming session | 09:57 |
| ildikov | gordc: I need to grab a coffee, should not take more than 5 mins, brb | 09:59 |
| gordc | cdent: done | 09:59 |
| cdent | thanks gordc | 09:59 |
| gordc | cdent: also, we can skip tomorrow alarming session. we've decided to move it to review | 09:59 |
| cdent | k | 09:59 |
| gordc | #action tell Ryota results of whether he should code for ceilometer and/or aodh | 10:00 |
| gordc | re: target goals, i think we do list the big issues (see Gnocchi) but i'm not against having wiki | 10:02 |
| gordc | that said, are we reviewing these goals as well? because i'd rather not waste time reviewing hypotheticals. | 10:03 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/gnocchi: rest: returns 404 when controller does not exists https://review.openstack.org/199505 | 10:43 |
| prad | ildikov, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/197633/9/etc/ceilometer/meters.yaml | 10:53 |
| openstackgerrit | Mannu proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: spec file for ceilometer-measurement-filter https://review.openstack.org/195030 | 10:56 |
| openstackgerrit | Mannu proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: ade changes to incroprate review comments https://review.openstack.org/200011 | 10:56 |
| prad | ildikov, so thats the current yaml i'm working on for declarative | 10:57 |
| ildikov | prad: ok, so this is what I kind of call internal | 10:57 |
| ildikov | prad: s/call/called/ | 10:57 |
| prad | ildikov, yea so we can either have two separate files or have multiple sections in the same yaml one for defaults and one for custom | 10:57 |
| ildikov | prad: I think it's better to keep them separate | 10:58 |
| ildikov | prad: but we can consider this as an administartive question | 10:58 |
| prad | yeah | 10:59 |
| ildikov | prad: in my opinion it is better to give the user less chance to ruin something | 10:59 |
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| gordc | ildikov: i typed in etherpad what i was hoping | 10:59 |
| gordc | and i think what _nadya_ was expecting | 10:59 |
| ildikov | so if the custom is in a separate file than it is already a win as they will not modify the other one accidentally or smth like | 10:59 |
| gordc | i think it's less about users managing it and more about projects managing it | 11:00 |
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| _nadya_ | gordc: thank you for being a translator:) | 11:00 |
| gordc | _nadya_: :) i liked your idea. i'm assuming that's what you meant. | 11:01 |
| gordc | if not, it is what you mean now. | 11:01 |
| cdent | starting on https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-collection-split | 11:01 |
| prad | gordc, so these nova,neutron yaml files will be in ceilometer or individual projects? | 11:01 |
| ildikov | gordc: I saw it, thanks! | 11:01 |
| gordc | prad: their projects | 11:01 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: yep, exactly | 11:02 |
| ildikov | hmm, ok, then I'm lost :) | 11:02 |
| prad | yea thats interesting, not what i had in mind | 11:02 |
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| ildikov | gordc: the projects managing it partwe agree on, although having these files in the other projects' repo is something I need to understand more to see, why it's beneficial | 11:05 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/python-ceilometerclient: Typo: Show an sample => Show a sample https://review.openstack.org/195612 | 11:05 |
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| openstackgerrit | Mannu proposed openstack/ceilometer-specs: spec file for ceilometer-measurement-filter https://review.openstack.org/195030 | 11:10 |
| gordc | ildikov: i think if it's not in their repo. they won't care. just like i don't care about any files in nova/cinder... | 11:11 |
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| ildikov | gordc: the care part is right, from this PoV, those files will never make it in to those repos :) | 11:13 |
| gordc | ildikov: unless we give them an existing base. then maybe... hopefully... probably not... | 11:14 |
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| ildikov | gordc: I guess it could be a next step to what prad is working on, right? | 11:16 |
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| prad | ildikov, gordc, note how many projects we have, this might be a multi-person/multi-cycle? effort | 11:20 |
| prad | i dont see us getting all projects migrated to this by liberty | 11:21 |
| ildikov | without proper testing we will not have benefit from having files in other repos either although if this could be a tempest test suite with jobs for each relevant project the files can live anywhere | 11:22 |
| ildikov | if they are in our repo, then users can see why they have the data they get, if this is something we would want to provide | 11:23 |
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| jasonamyers | out until the delete topic | 11:28 |
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| _nadya_ | cdent: Chris, just a clarification. this code will go to a separate polling agent https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/blob/master/ceilometer/compute/pollsters/instance.py ? I'm asking because it is kind of message processing | 11:33 |
| cdent | That's a subclass of Pollster so will be a part of the polling agent's code | 11:34 |
| cdent | is that what you're asking _nadya_ ? | 11:34 |
| cdent | the stuff that needs to be in the the notification agent is this stuff: | 11:35 |
| cdent | https://github.com/openstack/ceilometer/tree/master/ceilometer/transformer | 11:35 |
| cdent | (and it is already in there, but it is also in the polling agent currently, and doesn't need to be if we are sending notifications) | 11:35 |
| _nadya_ | cdent: yep, thanks. I was thinking that maybe it's possible to make services send notifications 'on demand', so pollster agent's mission was just ping some service. just thoughts | 11:39 |
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| gordc | ildikov: yeah next step. not something for liberty. but i think we should promote it (declarative stuff) | 11:45 |
| gordc | i was thinking of doing a session on that. | 11:45 |
| gordc | prad: yeah, i was thinking of doing just the projects we have currently. | 11:46 |
| gordc | prad: and maybe as new projects get added, we can help them build their own meter.yaml file | 11:46 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: Gordon, you are doing a lot of experiments with HA mode, right? | 11:46 |
| ildikov | gordc: I agree that we should focus on the declarative aspect first and even promote it | 11:46 |
| ildikov | gordc: it also sounds like a nice session topic, IMHO | 11:46 |
| gordc | ildikov: i think i added it in etherpad. in case anyone wants to co-present | 11:47 |
| cdent | can somone remind me of that etherpad? | 11:47 |
| gordc | _nadya_: err... i do some testing.lol | 11:47 |
| ildikov | gordc: cool, checking :) | 11:47 |
| gordc | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-m-summit-talks | 11:47 |
| gordc | _nadya_: not production level testing though. | 11:48 |
| cdent | thanks gordc | 11:48 |
| cdent | gordc: i could probably get down on some a la carte if hat's what you're thinking of presenting? | 11:49 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: aha, ok. I have a goal to prove my management that Ceilo is great tool, so it looks like I need to do some HA tests :) And will talk about your new spec... | 11:50 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah. that's the one i had to promote declarative stuff. | 11:51 |
| cdent | as long as we can have some killing kittens imagery | 11:51 |
| gordc | cdent: i didn't write anymore then that but i think we can quickly write something for 15th | 11:51 |
| ildikov | and the etherpad now died... :S | 11:51 |
| cdent | cool gordc, let's plan to make it so? | 11:52 |
| gordc | cdent: sounds good. how to kill kittens. | 11:52 |
| gordc | i did the other two below too... i don't know if i'll submit as it's a lot of work benchmarking.lol | 11:52 |
| gordc | ildikov: works for me. | 11:53 |
| cdent | we should be doing benchmarking in any case, and prior to summit | 11:53 |
| cdent | rally supposed to help us with that | 11:53 |
| _nadya_ | cdent: I'll try to find resources for that | 11:54 |
| gordc | cdent: yeah... i figured i'd propose topic and it'd force me to benchmark | 11:55 |
| ildikov | anyone to join for Gnocchi maybe with some roadmap highlights? | 11:55 |
| gordc | i know someone is going to say: "you're benchmarking wrong" | 11:55 |
| gordc | ildikov: i don't know enough about highlights... but i'll benchmark gnocchi | 11:55 |
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| gordc | _nadya_: are you doing that for this cycle? i was going to propose for tokyo summit. | 11:56 |
| ildikov | gordc: and do you want to talk about it? :) | 11:56 |
| gordc | ildikov: i can be a puppet and read from a script. | 11:57 |
| ildikov | gordc: I meant roadmap for Telemetry, I hope Gnocchi still belongs to it | 11:57 |
| _nadya_ | gordc: not sure. Will be clear during the next two weeks | 11:57 |
| gordc | ildikov: i believe it is. we don't really have another alternative. | 11:57 |
| gordc | unless someone is working on a secret db project. | 11:57 |
| ildikov | gordc: :), no one I would know about | 11:58 |
| gordc | _nadya_: sounds good. maybe i'll submit a talk on benchmarking ceilometer...and back out if i don't have time. | 11:58 |
| gordc | ildikov: true true. | 11:58 |
| ildikov | gordc: should we go for one on Gnocchi too or let's leave it out from this for Tokyo? | 11:59 |
| ildikov | gordc: did you get any answer from jd__, when you asked last time? | 11:59 |
| gordc | ildikov: i don't think so. maybe i missed it. | 11:59 |
| jd__ | asked what? | 11:59 |
| gordc | or he missed it. | 11:59 |
| gordc | jd__: you have a speaker session about gnocchi for tokyo? | 12:00 |
| jd__ | gordc: I proposed a talk, now I'm waiting | 12:00 |
| gordc | jd__: cool cool | 12:00 |
| gordc | ildikov: are you going to mention it in your 'componentisation' talk | 12:00 |
| jd__ | who's up for alarm split? | 12:01 |
| gordc | in | 12:02 |
| jd__ | cdent: joining? | 12:02 |
| ildikov | gordc: yeap, sure | 12:05 |
| gordc | cool cool | 12:07 |
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| prad | gordc, talk on declarative meters? i would be up for that hopefully i can get it all into liberty | 12:08 |
| gordc | prad: you better! | 12:09 |
| gordc | prad: you can add your name to etherpad. | 12:09 |
| prad | heh | 12:09 |
| prad | gordc, which one? | 12:09 |
| gordc | we'll look like fools if it doesn't get in. | 12:09 |
| gordc | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-m-summit-talks | 12:09 |
| gordc | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-m-summit-talks | 12:10 |
| prad | kk | 12:11 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/gnocchi: carbonara: stop storing full res timeserie in archives https://review.openstack.org/195097 | 12:15 |
| cdent | gordc, jd__ ping me if you want me on this call, I needed a voice break but can come back if required | 12:19 |
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| jasonamyers | I've been away from this code for too long | 12:27 |
| sileht | cdent, I have take a look to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196446/2 and I guess you should modify this too to not break the heat gating: https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/heat.yaml#L72 | 12:27 |
| jasonamyers | blah | 12:27 |
| cdent | sileht: there's still a bunch of pending questions with the devstack and grenade people if what I'm doing there is right at all as well as how to deal with the dependency structures that exist between things | 12:30 |
| cdent | so I'm sort of waiting... | 12:30 |
| sileht | cdent, do you I track that on the review, or this was a known issue ? | 12:31 |
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| cdent | probably wortwhile writing it down in as many places as possible as there's not been a lot of forward motion from the people who know what's up... | 12:32 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: http://docs.openstack.org/developer/nova/v2/polling_changes-since_parameter.html | 12:32 |
| cdent | jd__, gordc: I assume no alarm split session tomorrow then? | 12:32 |
| gordc | cdent: we all good | 12:32 |
| gordc | you have a lot of work assigned to you (half joke) | 12:32 |
| cdent | _all_ good? that's pretty amazing | 12:32 |
| gordc | 'all' is dependent on your work | 12:33 |
| cdent | if it ain't on the etherpad then it ain't happening | 12:33 |
| sileht | cdent, seems congress, tripleo and rally jobs needs to be updated too | 12:33 |
| cdent | from the look of that etherpad nothing is going to happen | 12:33 |
| cdent | sileht: yeah, it's because of that cascade that I suspect that just going around updating all the jobs is not the right thing | 12:33 |
| cdent | as that's a horrible way to manage plugins | 12:33 |
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| sileht | cdent, and here I have just grep 'ceilometer' in yaml files, but project have part of the gate script in its own code tree | 12:34 |
| sileht | perhaps we can miss some of them ... | 12:35 |
| gordc | jd__: tell cdent what he needs to do. :) | 12:35 |
| * cdent nods at sileht | 12:35 | |
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| cdent | sileht: i've asked again over in #openstack-qa | 12:38 |
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| gordc | cdent: how does 9 and 11 UTC sound? what time is that for russia based ppl... i think that's 5 and 7 for china | 12:42 |
| cdent | gordc: sound for what? | 12:43 |
| gordc | cdent: as the session times for tomorrow. | 12:44 |
| cdent | you mean in stead of 8 and 10? | 12:44 |
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| gordc | yeah. i'm wondering if we can push them both an hour | 12:44 |
| cdent | it all depends on _nadya_ | 12:44 |
| * cdent looks at _nadya_ | 12:44 | |
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| _nadya_ | what should I decide? aha... I'm ok with 9-11 | 12:45 |
| cdent | based on the doodle poll, it ough to work to push to 11 and 12 | 12:45 |
| cdent | I can make that adjustment if people are okay with that? | 12:46 |
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| gordc | cdent: just asking. i assume you had a 2hr space as buffer | 12:46 |
| cdent | the schedule was just an exact replica for the prior day | 12:47 |
| cdent | but now that we've cancelled some sessions | 12:47 |
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| cdent | we can move as we want | 12:47 |
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| cdent | the gap between morning and afternoon is because of holes in people's availability | 12:47 |
| cdent | have a look at this updated: https://www.google.com/calendar/embed?src=cXZqcTY2ZXJjcnYxbG9kaGtoMHZwNmxrNDRAZ3JvdXAuY2FsZW5kYXIuZ29vZ2xlLmNvbQ | 12:48 |
| _nadya_ | cdent: let's ask ityaptin too :) | 12:48 |
| * cdent looks at ityaptin | 12:48 | |
| gordc | cdent: ah i see. i thought you shuffled after cancelling. if ppl can make it i prefer to do 9 and 11. if we're worried people might be expecting original times. i'll live. | 12:48 |
| cdent | ityaptin: didn't vote on the doodle poll! | 12:49 |
| cdent | :) | 12:49 |
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| gordc | i'll just be a slightly more groggy person at current proposed times. | 12:49 |
| ityaptin | _nadya_, cdent: I'm good with new schedule | 12:49 |
| cdent | gordc I'd prefer to bump (as shown on the new schedule) if that works for you | 12:49 |
| cdent | gordc: I'm going to send an email announcing updated schedule unless you say no soon | 12:51 |
| gordc | cdent: yay! | 12:51 |
| _nadya_ | cdent: maybe two last session for today will be delayed tomorrow? | 12:51 |
| _nadya_ | cdent: not too early to announce? | 12:52 |
| cdent | We can announce again if that happens. The idea is to remind people to look at the calendar, often. | 12:52 |
| jasonamyers | catch you all in a few gonna grab a nap during break | 12:53 |
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| ildikov | _nadya_: I can't attend the last two today, so I'm with you on moving :) | 12:56 |
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| gordc | ildikov: when do you plan on moving it to? | 13:02 |
| gordc | ildikov: i think cdent is not reading this and is typing email | 13:02 |
| cdent | It's too late to change a session today | 13:03 |
| cdent | The only reason that changing sessions tomorrow is okay is because we cancelled some sessions | 13:03 |
| ildikov | cdent: fair enough | 13:03 |
| cdent | and we are moving things where the related participant are keen enough with the move | 13:04 |
| cdent | if in today's later sessions we decide that tomorrow's version can or should move or not even happen then fine | 13:04 |
| cdent | but we need to stick today's schedule as published | 13:04 |
| gordc | cdent: very elegant arguments. i would just say 'no'.lol | 13:04 |
| cdent | je suis elgegant | 13:05 |
| gordc | canadian french, close enough | 13:06 |
| gordc | 'je suis' is good enough for canada. | 13:07 |
| cdent | je parles franglais | 13:07 |
| gordc | with a lisp? | 13:07 |
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| cdent | oui | 13:09 |
| gordc | coolio | 13:10 |
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| cdent | I'm a pretty bad typer though | 13:13 |
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| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/ceilometer: [WIP] The start of a grenade plugin for ceilometer https://review.openstack.org/196441 | 13:48 |
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| cdent | gordc: do you recall when you did this: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/160824/ was there any way to test that it worked before it merged, or did you have to merge it first? | 13:57 |
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| gordc | cdent: looking | 14:00 |
| gordc | cdent: no way to test | 14:01 |
| gordc | just set it experimental and fixed it after it merged | 14:01 |
| gordc | cdent: i rotated it: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1QgjDOLRnKDboqP8P1LvV0kR5aQEv_VJsDtMlh6u7tIY/edit?usp=sharing | 14:02 |
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| gordc | llu: llu-laptop: ^ i don't know if that helps explains my coordination spec | 14:05 |
| cdent | thanks gordc that is what I feared/expected | 14:06 |
| cdent | meh | 14:06 |
| gordc | cdent: i feel like that's common practice (or maybe just whenever i pay attention), merge as experimental/non-voting, fix, and then enable | 14:08 |
| cdent | yeah, I'm just impatient | 14:08 |
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| gordc | cdent: i think the argument was they want you to prove it's stability before gating. | 14:17 |
| cdent | Oh I don't have a problem with the job being experimental | 14:18 |
| cdent | I have a problem with waiting for the job to exist before I can use it | 14:18 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/ceilometer: Tolerate alarm actions set to None https://review.openstack.org/199909 | 14:19 |
| gordc | ah yeah, you're best buds with infra aren't you. should be no problem | 14:19 |
| gordc | cdent: me, not so much. | 14:19 |
| ildikov | I need to drop off, I hope you will take notes on the etherpads :) | 14:19 |
| gordc | you hope wrong | 14:19 |
| cdent | gordc: naw man, I've been spending too much time on ceilometer instead of devstack lately, the shine has gone off me | 14:20 |
| cdent | ildikov: we'll try | 14:20 |
| cdent | or at least I will | 14:20 |
| gordc | cdent: get outta here! you were our trojan horse | 14:20 |
| cdent | I know, right. But you guys made me do this other stuff and now *shrug* | 14:21 |
| * cdent feels shame | 14:21 | |
| cdent | I JUST WANTED TO MAKE EVERYONE HAPPY | 14:21 |
| gordc | damn. back to the bubble | 14:21 |
| ildikov | cdent: thanks :) | 14:21 |
| ildikov | laters :) | 14:22 |
| cdent | I fear I have too many coffee | 14:23 |
| jasonamyers | WAT no such thing | 14:24 |
| openstackgerrit | Chris Dent proposed openstack/ceilometer: [WIP] The start of a grenade plugin for ceilometer https://review.openstack.org/196441 | 14:24 |
| cdent | my eyeballs are starting to shake around | 14:24 |
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| * cdent wonders if we should make the polling agents erlang | 14:27 | |
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| jasonamyers | ooo | 14:28 |
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| cdent | I was mostly joking | 14:28 |
| jasonamyers | that be fun | 14:28 |
| jasonamyers | don't joke about the erlang | 14:28 |
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| jasonamyers | :P | 14:29 |
| cdent | but it makes sense. Ideally there would be not just hundreds but thousands of polling agents | 14:29 |
| cdent | just strewn about all over the place | 14:29 |
| cdent | doing their own little happy little coordination dance | 14:29 |
| jasonamyers | whoa | 14:29 |
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| * cdent is thinking cern sized installations | 14:29 | |
| jasonamyers | nod | 14:29 |
| jasonamyers | still a big thought | 14:30 |
| cdent | and the only way to achieve that level of spread is to have tiny messing oriented processes | 14:30 |
| cdent | messaging | 14:30 |
| cdent | not messing | 14:30 |
| cdent | but probably that too | 14:30 |
| jasonamyers | ha | 14:30 |
| * cdent feels like there is not enough on the d-or-d etherpad to make for a proper meeting | 14:31 | |
| jasonamyers | maybe it'll be quick | 14:31 |
| jasonamyers | deprecate all the things | 14:31 |
| gordc | cdent: use rust | 14:31 |
| jasonamyers | :( | 14:31 |
| jasonamyers | rust is also cool | 14:31 |
| cdent | rust is also cool, but I was thinking leveraging the erlang's process management whoo ha | 14:32 |
| cdent | aw crap | 14:32 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: rewrite openstack in rust... 7 years later rewrite openstack in xyz | 14:32 |
| * cdent shoots self | 14:32 | |
| cdent | I used the word leveraging | 14:32 |
| jasonamyers | gordc: 7 years... more like 2 cycles | 14:32 |
| jasonamyers | rust -> go 0 | 14:32 |
| jasonamyers | -> erlang | 14:33 |
| jasonamyers | 9 | 14:33 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: that will worry people 7 years let's people realise the mistake. | 14:33 |
| jasonamyers | haha | 14:33 |
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| gordc | cdent: did we ever get numbers from tim bell? | 14:33 |
| gordc | re: cern sized installations | 14:34 |
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| cdent | actually, what I really think is that we should switch to zmq style brokerless messaging and go fully p2p event driven with roaming agents that do one thing only singleton's that can only do two things: respond to an event with a specific behavior or another event (or both) | 14:35 |
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| cdent | gordc: I have had no communication with tim bell | 14:35 |
| * cdent was too busy horsing with qa | 14:36 | |
| cdent | now you want me to horse cern as well | 14:36 |
| * cdent sighs | 14:36 | |
| gordc | cdent: check it: https://blueprints.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+spec/rpc-zeromq | 14:37 |
| cdent | not quite the same | 14:38 |
| cdent | hell there's "rpc" right there in the title. | 14:38 |
| cdent | no sir | 14:38 |
| cdent | events | 14:38 |
| gordc | i just read zeromq | 14:38 |
| gordc | i don't care much for messages that wrap | 14:39 |
| gordc | you can put your event stuff in roadmap | 14:40 |
| cdent | It's not a ceilometer thing, it's an openstack thing | 14:40 |
| cdent | which essentially means: it's not a thing | 14:40 |
| cdent | unless I start up my own thing, which earlier jasonamyers promised he was going to get me funding for | 14:40 |
| gordc | you can put next to schematisation task | 14:41 |
| cdent | ha! | 14:41 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: has cisco money... which based on rate they're buying up cloud companies... it's a lot of monies. | 14:42 |
| jasonamyers | gord: http://ycharts.com/companies/CSCO/cash_on_hand | 14:43 |
| cdent | gordc: put something on here about what you need to have as outcome from that: https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/ceilometer-d-or-d | 14:43 |
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| cdent | jeebus | 14:44 |
| cdent | brb | 14:44 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: good lord... | 14:45 |
| gordc | i'm going to be busy all day looking at that site. | 14:46 |
| jasonamyers | gordc http://ycharts.com/companies/AAPL/cash_on_hand | 14:49 |
| jasonamyers | http://ycharts.com/companies/HPQ/cash_on_hand | 14:49 |
| gordc | jasonamyers: i'm surprised hp is still rising tbh. | 14:52 |
| jasonamyers | they do well on services | 14:52 |
| gordc | who knew printers would continue to remain in demand | 14:52 |
| gordc | if i recall, after their split, the hardware/printer stuff was profitable part. | 14:53 |
| gordc | or maybe it was printer was only part of hardware that was profitable | 14:53 |
| jd__ | gordc: hint on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/196723/? | 14:54 |
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| cdent | it's getting on to be about time: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/event/ctemrfbaldn2hfi2iam4v16cqfc | 14:56 |
| gordc | jd__: i was thinking maybe using a different option instead of reusing the option (conf.database.connection) that oslo.db defines. | 14:57 |
| gordc | jd__: this doesn't happen a lot but once or twice someone asked why the help message says sql if they're using mongo/hbase? | 14:57 |
| gordc | not a huge blocker. i don't know who's using mongo/hbase for just alarms. | 14:58 |
| gordc | but something to consider. | 14:58 |
| jd__ | gordc: can we merge this one and "fix" oslo.db? | 14:58 |
| cdent | _nadya_, jd__, sileht: you going to be able to make this next session? | 15:01 |
| gordc | jd__: done | 15:01 |
| jd__ | cdent: yep | 15:01 |
| cdent | k3wl | 15:01 |
| cdent | we're waiting on you jd__ | 15:04 |
| jd__ | yup | 15:04 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/aodh: Move 'alarm_connection' to 'connection' https://review.openstack.org/196723 | 15:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/aodh: api: remove unused extra_hooks https://review.openstack.org/197154 | 15:06 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/aodh: api: remove v1 handling https://review.openstack.org/197155 | 15:06 |
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| edmondsw | gordc, is there a field that all CADF events will have, which could be used in a filter on GET /v2/events to get all CADF events but only CADF events? | 15:40 |
| edmondsw | I'm thinking all CADF events, not just those from keystonemiddleware.audit | 15:41 |
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| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Remove useless migration module https://review.openstack.org/197157 | 15:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: impl_log: make methods static https://review.openstack.org/197159 | 15:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: Remove code related to metadata/metaquery https://review.openstack.org/197158 | 15:49 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: messaging: remove unused cleanup function https://review.openstack.org/197160 | 15:49 |
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| gordc | edmondsw: sorry for delay, we're doing our virtual midcycle meetup today/tomorrow. | 15:58 |
| cdent | gordc: I forgot to ask, I assume tomorrow d or d can be deleted? | 15:58 |
| gordc | let me do a quick check | 15:58 |
| openstackgerrit | Julien Danjou proposed openstack/aodh: doc: use pbr autodoc feature to build api doc https://review.openstack.org/200155 | 15:59 |
| gordc | cdent: probably. i don't have any follows up but maybe ildikov_afk will read something and rage | 15:59 |
| cdent | i'll let it ride for now | 15:59 |
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| gordc | edmondsw: typeURI might be a plausible option that is just CADF | 16:01 |
| edmondsw | gordc, I'll take a look... tx | 16:02 |
| gordc | edmondsw: there are a few others that are required by cadf and arguably unique... but their values tend to be variable | 16:02 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/aodh: Remove useless migration module https://review.openstack.org/197157 | 16:03 |
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| * cdent suits up | 16:25 | |
| cdent | once more into the breach: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/event/ctemrfbaldn2hfi2iam4v16cqfc | 16:26 |
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| cdent | https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/gnocchi-production-ready | 16:26 |
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| cdent | prad, jd__ anyone else? | 16:31 |
| cdent | ityaptin or ildikov_afk or idegtiarov wanna get in on the gnocchi chat? | 16:32 |
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| Beetnik | Hey | 17:35 |
| Beetnik | Anyone know how I query heat stuffs with ceilometer CLI? | 17:36 |
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| Beetnik | anything created by heat seems to have an id looking something like arn::openstack::heat::longidofsomdescription::stacks/something and if I use that as ID, ceilometer complains that it doesn't exist | 17:37 |
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| gordc | Beetnik: what would 'heat stuffs' be? | 17:51 |
| gordc | alarms or heat related meter/events? | 17:52 |
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| Beetnik | so, really, the question came up in a discussion about using ceilometer to monitor how many members there were of an autoscalinggroup. Then I had a quick look just doing a ceilometer meter-list and resource-list and see loads of arn::openstack::..... stuffs there, but I can't seem to "do anything with it" | 17:55 |
| * Beetnik is away: Not around | 17:57 | |
| gordc | Beetnik: hmm.. so ceilometer doesn't poll any data from Heat, it just builds meters and events from the notifications Heat emits | 17:58 |
| gordc | Beetnik: you can do event-list (if you have events enabled) to get more verbose data that Heat emits but not sure what exactly can be used from Heat events. it all really depends on what Heat emits and then we can build data from it. | 17:59 |
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