Thursday, 2015-04-30

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winston-dhemna: ping01:16
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thingeejgriffith: it's sad, but your retry technically is the suggested fix from some threads on this issue01:31
thingeenot really fix but workaround01:31
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openstackgerritVilobh Meshram proposed openstack/cinder: Driver get_stats refresh arg is useless  https://review.openstack.org/17889601:41
openstackgerritVilobh Meshram proposed openstack/cinder: Driver get_stats refresh arg is useless  https://review.openstack.org/17889601:44
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jungleboyjhemna: You still up?02:33
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winston-dis this https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CinderSupportMatrix up-to-date?02:43
winston-dhemna: ^^ is multi-attach being a mandatory feature or optional one?02:44
winston-dkmartin: ^^02:44
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openstackgerritRick Chen proposed openstack/cinder: Add patch for consistency group update in ProphetStor driver  https://review.openstack.org/16965303:28
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openstackgerritBharat Kumar Kobagana proposed openstack/cinder: RemoteFS: Acquire lock when copy image to volume  https://review.openstack.org/17820204:32
openstackgerritBharat Kumar Kobagana proposed openstack/cinder: Using 'fallocate' instead of 'dd' to create raw volumes  https://review.openstack.org/16452704:43
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openstackgerritBharat Kumar Kobagana proposed openstack/cinder: RemoteFS: Acquire lock when copy image to volume  https://review.openstack.org/17820205:07
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openstackgerritRick Chen proposed openstack/cinder: Add patch for consistency group update in ProphetStor driver  https://review.openstack.org/16965305:54
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openstackgerritLin Yang proposed openstack/python-cinderclient: Improve error message when exceed cinder quota exceed  https://review.openstack.org/17894606:34
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mkodererDuncanT: hi, any clue why this isn't merged? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/177114/07:34
mkodererDuncanT: does it need a +A from thingee?07:34
DuncanTmkoderer: I think it got caught by the gerrit meltdown, I'll kick it again07:34
mkodererDuncanT: already did that twice07:35
DuncanTRemoved and re-added +A, that usually sorts it07:35
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mkodererDuncanT: ah ok yep this looks better07:36
mkodererthx07:36
DuncanTIf you spot any more that are stuck, please let me know07:37
mkodererok07:39
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kodokuHi. How I configure cinder for use https with glance ? Because I see glance_api_servers but don't have https conf07:50
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openstackgerritPeter Wang proposed openstack/cinder: Add 'source-id' and 'source-name' support in VNX driver  https://review.openstack.org/17896908:05
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kodokuuOk I find but now new issue : Cannot create image of disk format: iso. Only vmdk disk format is accepted.  Maybe need to modify conf ?08:06
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e0neDuncanT: hi08:49
e0neare you aroud?08:49
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openstackgerritPeter Wang proposed openstack/cinder: Add 'source-id' and 'source-name' support in VNX driver  https://review.openstack.org/17896908:50
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kodokuWhy cinder-client not use endpoint  ?09:21
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openstackgerritRick Chen proposed openstack/cinder: Port ProphetStor driver to use new driver model  https://review.openstack.org/17899209:31
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DuncanTe0ne: Hi10:03
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openstackgerritGorka Eguileor proposed openstack/cinder: Preserve usage and reservations on quota deletion  https://review.openstack.org/16272210:13
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e0neDuncanT: i've got quetions about specs10:17
DuncanTe0ne: shoot10:17
e0nehttps://review.openstack.org/#/c/174823/ - Checking the existence of volume. i'm going to use it in persistance workflow PoC10:18
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e0nei don't get your point about REST API fot it10:19
e0neyuriy_n17: ^^10:21
e0neDuncanT: do we really needed rest api wich will communicate with drivers?10:25
DuncanTe0ne: The listed goal was debug.... that is easier to do with an api10:26
e0neDuncanT: it's a wrong goal10:26
DuncanTe0ne: Then the spec needs re-wording10:27
openstackgerritPranali Deore proposed openstack/cinder: Cinder os-attach api returns 500  https://review.openstack.org/17856510:27
e0neDuncanT, yuriy_n17:  the goal it to have ability for c-vol continue work on volumes after crash/restart/etc10:27
e0neDuncanT: agree. we'll update spec with clear usesaces and w/o rest api10:28
e0nethanks for clarification10:28
DuncanTSo if the only goal is to clean up after a possible failed create, just call delete and ignore the error10:29
DuncanTA volume that has never been used going into error occasionally is fine10:29
e0neDuncanT: imo, not only cean up. it could become available if manager failed after volume creation but before updating DB10:30
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e0neor even if it failes before volume creation on the back end side10:31
DuncanTIf there's a volume possibly in that state, just delete it and get on with your life... the user has usually gotten bored and done something else anyway10:31
e0nemakes sence10:32
openstackgerritShyama proposed openstack/cinder: Attaching a multiattach volume to same instance twice should reset state back to 'in-use' and not leave it in 'Attaching'.  https://review.openstack.org/17901910:32
e0neone more possible use case: what do you think about delete volume and try ti create again before setting to the error state?10:33
openstackgerritLin Yang proposed openstack/python-cinderclient: Fix typo in comment message  https://review.openstack.org/17902010:34
DuncanTWhy? If you did a restart or crash, you've potentially been gone a while, we have hard data that if the create is delayed by more than seconds it never gets used10:34
DuncanTWe can't avoid error creating completely, so we shouldn't go to heroic lengths to avoid it. A new driver call has introduction and maintainance costs10:35
DuncanTThe win is tiny10:35
DuncanTClean shutdown is a far bigger win overall and has nearly the same effect (crashes are rare things)10:35
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e0nei should agree with you10:37
e0neyou're right10:37
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e0nei'm trying to make it more fault tolerance but maybe i worry about it too much10:38
DuncanTI think the trick is to look at the size of the fault domain - clean shutdowns happen far more often than crashes10:39
DuncanTDriver changes are more expensive than core code changes10:39
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DuncanTIf we become too fault tolerant, then apps won't handle failure cases, which is bad since they *will* happe  at some point (even just running out of disk space)10:40
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e0neok, i've got your idea: fail fast and try once more. it makes sence10:43
e0nei need to rethink this blueprint and spec10:47
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e0neDuncanT: you'd got some questions to me about https://review.openstack.org/#/c/156292/8/specs/kilo/volume-details-views.rst (changes to rest api) yesterday. i'm ready to discuss it when you have a time10:50
DuncanTSure, give me a few minutes to re-read please10:51
e0neok10:51
e0neping me when you'll be ready10:51
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DuncanTOk, so I'm not 100% here but I think we have an issue. Basically, it's really hard to remove anything from an existing API11:01
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DuncanTe.g. /v2/{tenant_id}/volumes/detail can't be removed11:06
DuncanTOh, wait, I think I see11:07
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DuncanTYou're suggesting adding everything currently in detail to the default, and add even more to the detail list, not removing anything from either, right?11:07
DuncanTThat should be fine11:07
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openstackgerritShyama proposed openstack/cinder: Revert state if attachment already exists  https://review.openstack.org/17901911:12
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openstackgerritYuriy Nesenenko proposed openstack/cinder-specs: Checking the existence of volume  https://review.openstack.org/17482312:08
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openstackgerritAnton Arefiev proposed openstack/cinder: Targets test refactoring  https://review.openstack.org/17908213:56
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jgriffiththingee: it is kinda sad that a retry is the most common answer on those14:19
jgriffiththingee: I've trided resets on dm-mapper as well, with different success14:19
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tbarronmkoderer: w.r.t. https://etherpad.openstack.org/p/cinder-abc-driver-update, we inherity from ISCSIDriver, NFSDriver, FibreChannelDriver, etc.14:23
tbarrondo you already have people signed up to convert those?14:23
tbarronthey inherity from VolumeDriver today14:24
tbarroninherit14:24
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tbarrondunno why that 'y' was getting pressed14:24
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jungleboyjKilo is out and done in memory of Chris.  Nice touch!14:27
jungleboyjWe are a community.14:27
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jgriffithjungleboyj: +114:28
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lpetrutjgriffith: Hi14:48
SwansonSo Kilo is released?14:49
e0neSwanson: yes14:49
jgriffithlpetrut: Hey there14:50
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lpetrutjgriffith: I was about to send the implemenation for CHAP support in the Windows iSCSI driver. I'm pretty sure that this needs a BP, but would it require a spec as well?14:51
lpetrutIt's just about 100 LOC, basically parity feature14:51
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DuncanTlpetrut: A bp is probably fine.... if somebody really cares they can ask for a spec14:54
lpetrutgreat, thanks!14:54
Swansone0ne: Good news.  Thanks!14:55
lpetrutalso, regarding the CI, we had a few issues w/ false positives that are being fixed. Basically, we had a few bugs in our drivers and in order to get green results from the CI to get passed the driver cut, we cherry-picked on the CI bug fixes that haven't merged yet.14:56
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jgriffithlpetrut: yeah, agree with DuncanT spec is overkill IMHO14:56
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openstackgerritAnton Arefiev proposed openstack/cinder: Targets test refactoring  https://review.openstack.org/17908215:03
openstackgerritTom Hancock proposed openstack/cinder: Move logging sample to use oslo_log  https://review.openstack.org/17912015:05
DuncanThttps://www.surveymonkey.com/s/6QRKV6Z15:11
DuncanTMidcycle survey15:11
e0neDuncanT: question #3 is too hard15:12
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thingeeDuncanT: thanks. I can send that link to the list?15:14
DuncanTthingee: Please do15:16
DuncanTPoor Jay...15:16
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tbarroneharney: would you take another look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/175573/ ?  Pls. remove your -1 or update the review with why not :-)15:22
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eharneytbarron: i'll look, but i don't have a -1 there...15:23
tbarroneharney: ah, ty.15:23
tbarronyou did, and I didn't give in to all your demands :-)15:24
tbarronso you have another chance to do it.15:24
tbarronI appreciate it.15:24
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thingeecan I get someone from core look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/178872/17:41
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thingeewould like to stop gate failures with this workaround17:41
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erlonthingee: DuncanT: guys, is there any interest for this feature on cinder?17:54
erlonhttps://bugs.launchpad.net/cinder/+bug/125069617:54
openstackLaunchpad bug 1250696 in OpenStack Core Infrastructure "cinder is missing an equivalent to the large_ops test" [Wishlist,Triaged]17:54
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thingeeerlon: jgriffith will make this happen in I3 :)18:06
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scottdahemna: I've a question regarding multiattach and https://review.openstack.org/#/c/179019/2/cinder/volume/manager.py L#78118:44
scottdaif we get the attachment from volume_attachment_get_by_host #Line77918:44
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scottdaDosen't that mean that we'd never be able to attach a volume to a second instance on the same host18:45
scottda?18:45
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hemna_scottda, yah18:54
hemna_that's one of the limits of the current mechanism18:54
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erlonthingee: humm,  that seems cool19:03
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openstackgerritVilobh Meshram proposed openstack/cinder-specs: Nested Quota Driver  https://review.openstack.org/17314119:33
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thingeeerlon: if you want to spend time on it though. I don't think he's actively working on that since that was early 2014 ;)20:10
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erlonthingee: ihmm, will try to play with it, let see if I can do it before he cames up with something20:16
erlonthingee: ill talk to he also to see if he made any progress20:18
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jgriffitherlon_awaY: missed ya, but that test set is fair game20:24
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SwansonWhen retyping a volume how does the destination volume end up with the same ID as the original source volume?  I'm ending up with a new volume ID while cinder still references the original ID.20:44
SwansonThat make any sense?20:44
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smcginnisSwanson: I seem to remember some talk of that being fixed up in the database, but changed on the array.20:46
smcginnisjgriffith: ^^ Were you part of that conversation at the last mid-cycle? I think it was you that raised some concerns about it.20:47
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Swansonsmginnis: Well the net is that I'm retyping a volume to be out of my control.20:48
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openstackgerritRushil Chugh proposed openstack/cinder: Avoid LUN ID collisions in iSCSI drivers  https://review.openstack.org/17923920:57
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hemna__ping21:02
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xyang1Hi21:03
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hemna__xyang1, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4ikrkxwghvlehdg5fcuxcpa4ea?hl=en21:03
hemna__smcginnis, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4ikrkxwghvlehdg5fcuxcpa4ea?hl=en21:03
xyang1Ok21:03
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hemna__jgriffith, https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4ikrkxwghvlehdg5fcuxcpa4ea?hl=en21:05
jgriffithsmcginnis: Swanson not sure I follow the question?21:05
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jgriffithhemna__: thanks21:05
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smcginnisjgriffith: Could you remind us how retype works? I seem to remember a discussion at the midcycle about mucking with the database and changing volume ids.21:06
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SwansonI've two backends.  I create a volume and retype it to the other backend.  Off it goes.  But the volume I have has the ID of the newly created volume and not the original.21:06
hemna__xyang1 https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4ikrkxwghvlehdg5fcuxcpa4ea?hl=en21:06
hemna__xyang https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4ikrkxwghvlehdg5fcuxcpa4ea?hl=en21:06
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SwansonCreate v1 on BE1.  Retype to BE2.  I don't handle this in the driver so it (something above me) creates v2 on BE2 and copies v1 to v2.  Then v1 is deleted.  Cinder still references the ID of v1 but I only know about v2.21:10
SwansonHow do I know to rename v2 to v1?21:10
jgriffithsmcginnis: retype command should go:  api-->manager-->backend-driver21:12
jgriffithsmcginnis: driver updates the type, ok, response mean update DB21:12
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Swansonjgriffith: right now we do nothing in the driver specific to this.  for this at actually work correctly we have to handle retype?21:14
jungleboyjjgriffith: Are we meeting right now?21:15
jungleboyjjgriffith: If so, do you have the link for the hangout?21:15
smcginnisjungleboyj: https://plus.google.com/hangouts/_/g4ikrkxwghvlehdg5fcuxcpa4ea?hl=en21:15
jungleboyjsmcginnis: Thank you.21:16
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jgriffithSwanson: yep, unless you don't do anything with types, then it doesn't matter21:23
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jgriffithSwanson: https://github.com/openstack/cinder/blob/master/cinder/volume/drivers/solidfire.py#L98421:24
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Swansonjgriffith: I do nothing with types.  I'm just using them to specify which backend things go to.21:26
jgriffithSwanson: then it's a noop21:26
jgriffithSwanson: in other words they don't do anything on create, they don't do anything on retype :)21:27
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Swansonjgriffith: that's the thing.  the volume gets migrated on demand.  If I retype from backendtype1 to backendtype2.  I end up with my volume copied to a new volume on backendtype2.  The old volume is deleted but everything still references that id.21:30
rhedlindkmartin: hemna. Please add our name (X-IO technologies) to slide #10 under the FC driver list. For Kilo21:30
jgriffithSwanson: that's avishay's magic trick21:31
jgriffithSwanson: he likes copy/move UUID's around21:31
kmartinrhedlind, will do21:31
jgriffithSwanson: migrate to new host should not be enabled by default21:31
rhedlindkmartin: thanks!21:31
jgriffithSwanson: if it is, it *should* do the migrate and send a delete call to your driver21:31
jgriffithSwanson: if it doesn't, that's a bug21:31
jgriffithSwanson: but in my experience that code has never really worked that well21:32
jgriffithSwanson: you have about a 1 in 5 chance of it actuallyfinishing21:32
jgriffithSwanson: tends to fail silently quite a bit21:32
jgriffithand you can never figure out what's going on because now you have two volumes and no idea which one is 'good' or 'bad'21:32
smcginnisjgriffith: So since that is happening without us explicitly supporting retype, do we need implement retype so we can swap the volume IDs around on the array as well.21:32
jgriffithSwanson: unless you had a data marker that you can go back and read21:32
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jgriffithsmcginnis: no, so retype with migrate doens't need your help I don't think21:33
Swansonjgriffith: It deletes the original volume.  But that original ID is still listed under cinder list.21:33
jgriffithsmcginnis: because that's DB trickery, and it *should* delete the volume on your backend after it migrates it21:33
jgriffithSwanson: right21:33
smcginnisjgriffith: So outside our control, volumexyz is on backend1. Retype created volumeabc on backend2 and deletes volumexyz.21:34
jgriffithSwanson: that's the part I don't like. and gave a -1 for but I was outvoted21:34
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SwansonSo everything has migrated but it hasn't updated the db to the new ID.21:34
smcginnisjgriffith: Then the database still refers to volumexyz but we only have a volumeabc.21:34
jgriffithsmcginnis: exactly21:34
smcginnisjgriffith: That's the problem though.21:34
jgriffithsmcginnis: no no... you're missing the main detail21:34
jgriffithsmcginnis: the main point is if it's succesful, it *SHOULD* change the host column for the volume21:34
smcginnisCinder says go do something to volumexyz, but for us that doesn't exist anymore. We just have a volumeabc.21:35
jgriffithsmcginnis: so yes, it still has the same ID, BUT it's now pointing to a different backend host21:35
smcginnisjgriffith: How do we know to change the volume name if we don't implement retype directly?21:35
Swanson^^^^21:35
jgriffithsmcginnis: hmm... I'll have to look, sounds like "yet another bug" to me21:35
jgriffithsmcginnis: hehe... you're not supposed to21:35
jgriffithsmcginnis: that's the whole point21:35
jgriffithsmcginnis: so it's all done higher up, it's supposed to copy the contents of the volume then delete it before changing the host and performing the uuid swap21:36
jgriffithsmcginnis: the fact that it's not cleaning up is a bug21:36
jgriffiththat's what I'm saying21:36
jgriffithsmcginnis: the whole idea and how it works is pretty broken IMO and nearly impossible to debug21:36
SwansonThe uuid swap isn't making it to the backend.21:36
jgriffithSwanson: it doesn't need to!21:37
jgriffithSwanson: that's my point21:37
jgriffithSwanson: the uuid swap is DB only21:37
jgriffithSwanson: cinder creates a new volume on backend B with ID abcd21:37
jgriffithSwanson: attaches both volumes21:37
jgriffithSwanson: copies contents of original volume to backend B/abcd21:38
jgriffithSwanson: finishes that, then delete the volume on your backend21:38
jgriffithSwanson: Then, finally swap the UUID's of backend B/abcd to whatever used to be your volume21:38
jgriffithSwanson: see what i'm saying?21:38
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SwansonJgriffith: and when I'm given the original volume id I cannot find it on my backend because it was created with the new and now unreferenced abcd id.21:39
Swansonjgriffith that is.21:39
jgriffithSwanson: not unreferenced, it *should* be deleted from your backend21:39
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jgriffithSwanson: it flat out shouldn't exist any more21:39
jgriffithSwanson: FWIW, my premise has been that UUID swappingis BAD  and instead we should've implemented it with a lookup table or pointer or something21:40
SwansonThat's the destination.  The original pre migrated volume was deleted.21:40
jgriffithSwanson: what you're seeing/describing is exactly why I think it's a terrible thing to do21:40
SwansonI agree.21:40
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jgriffithSwanson: so let me ask you this....21:40
jgriffithSwanson: in your case is it doing something utterly stupid like "migrating from your backend TO your backend"?21:41
jgriffithSwanson: because that's what I'm starting to think you migh be saying... and it shouldn't be able to do that21:41
SwansonI'm controlling both backends but they are two separate devices.21:41
smcginnisSwanson: Correct me if I'm wrong, but were not getting A/abc and B/abc. Were getting A/abc and B/xyz.21:41
jgriffithsmcginnis: that's correct21:42
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jgriffithsmcginnis: that's what happens until the delete and then the UUID swap21:42
SwansonThat's correct.  Then it whacks A/abc and we are left with B/xyz and a cinder list shows B/abc21:42
jgriffithsmcginnis: which is a possible bug, it never tells the driver that it updated the UUID21:42
jgriffith(on the destination volume)21:42
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jgriffithThat makes sense21:42
smcginnisjgriffith: On the swap are we supposed to be informed somehow? Otherwise cinder db and the array are out of sync.21:42
jgriffithsmcginnis: bingo21:42
jgriffithsmcginnis: that's what I'm saying, I don't think that's taken into account21:43
smcginnisjgriffith: OK, so this is a bug in swap, but something we're missing in our driver. Do I understand right?21:43
smcginnis/but/not/21:43
jgriffithsmcginnis: yes and yes21:43
jgriffithsmcginnis: it's both21:43
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smcginnisjgriffith: A bug in our driver?21:43
jgriffithsmcginnis: migrate is horribly broken21:44
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smcginnisjgriffith: It appears so, at least from our perspective. :)21:44
jgriffithsmcginnis: there needs to be a step in the API or manager layer that not only does the swap, but issues a call to the driver to tell the driver there's been a swap21:44
jgriffithsmcginnis: quick look it's likely broken for EVERYBODY21:44
smcginnisjgriffith: I would think so if what your describing is right.21:45
jgriffithsmcginnis: so just like replication, it's pretty much hopeless21:45
jgriffithsmcginnis: trust me... :)21:45
smcginnisjgriffith: I don't doubt you. :)21:45
jgriffithsmcginnis: and I've got some beach front property I'll sell ya too :)21:45
Swansonjgriffith: this just needs a vol rename function of some type21:45
smcginnisjgriffith: Ooh, I like the beach. :-D21:45
jgriffithSwanson: kinda... or I've always thought a "driver_update" method would be ideal21:46
smcginnisSwanson: That's what I would think.21:46
jgriffithSwanson: and could be used for all sorts of things21:46
smcginnisDriver: create new LUN, cinder: copy data over, driver: delete old lun and update new lun name.21:46
jgriffithSwanson: so something like "driver.update_volume_info(some-metadata)"21:46
jgriffithsmcginnis: don't pigeon hole it to something like "new_lun_nam"21:47
jgriffithsmcginnis: have a generic21:47
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smcginnisjgriffith: No, I agree. update_volume_info could be used for multiple settings for the lun, not just name.21:47
jgriffithdriver.update_volume_info(['uuid=xyz'])21:47
smcginnis+121:48
jgriffithwell.. that doesn't really work, but you know what I mean21:48
jgriffith:)21:48
* jgriffith does some hand waving21:48
smcginnisWhat, that's not it?? I was about to submit that in a patch. ;)21:48
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jgriffithhehe21:48
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Swansonjgriffith: thanks for splaining how this works.  (Or nearly works.)21:48
smcginnisOK, so sounds like it's not just us. Swanson, we should get a bug filed.21:49
jgriffithSwanson: NP21:49
smcginnisjgriffith: Yeah, thanks John. Appreciate the help.21:49
Swansonsmcginnis: I'll look into it tomorrow morning.  My sister has been sitting outside my house long enough now that we're deep into a family incident.21:49
smcginnisSwanson: Hah!21:50
smcginnisAnyone else out there - if you've got retype migration working would love to know how.21:50
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openstackgerritWalter A. Boring IV (hemna) proposed openstack/python-cinderclient: Add volume multi attach support  https://review.openstack.org/8585622:21
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hemna_xyang22:56
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openstackgerritJohn Griffith proposed openstack/python-cinderclient: Add CLI read-only functional tests  https://review.openstack.org/17928023:02
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jgriffiththingee: some of those that your marking for backport probably don't meet the criteria, and a few don't seem to exist any more23:10
jgriffiththingee: just FYI23:10
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anishjgriffith: welcome to the hotel california ?23:18
jgriffithanish: LOL23:19
jgriffithI checked out, but can never leave23:19
jgriffithanish: 75 windows was just too much... time to start over23:19
jgriffithanish: errr.. channels23:20
anishjgriffith: thanks, that makes my 24 look sane23:20
jgriffithLOL23:20
jgriffithanish: wish I could pretend I was *using* all of them for something ;)23:20
anishI stubmled upon a firefox scriptlet that counts how many tabs you happen once23:20
anishthat was also fun23:20
jgriffithhaha23:20
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jgriffithI'm pretty disciplined about my browser23:21
jgriffithMy wife however... she'll have literally "hundreds" of tabs between browser and other apps23:21
anishI definitely am not23:21
jgriffithcalls me in once in a while because her laptoop is soooo sloooowwwww23:21
jgriffith:)23:21
jgriffithEZ fix23:21
jgriffithand I get to be a hero for a moment :)23:22
anishdon't ever tell her23:22
jgriffithanish: no way dude!23:22
jgriffith:)23:22
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openstackgerritOpenStack Proposal Bot proposed openstack/cinder: Merge tag '2015.1.0'  https://review.openstack.org/17928723:25
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openstackgerritVilobh Meshram proposed openstack/cinder-specs: Nested Quota Driver  https://review.openstack.org/17314123:27
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