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| morganfainberg | jamielennox: ping | 02:18 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: hello | 02:35 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: any advice for wrapping my head around httpretty? | 02:35 |
| jamielennox | heh | 02:36 |
| morganfainberg | i'm spending some time doing reviews tonight. | 02:36 |
| morganfainberg | annnnd… well you have a bunch and this is the one that is taking the most effort. | 02:36 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: the readme on the front of https://github.com/gabrielfalcao/HTTPretty is good | 02:36 |
| morganfainberg | right, thats what i found | 02:36 |
| jamielennox | basically we have a bucket load of mocking the call to the requests library | 02:36 |
| morganfainberg | yeah. | 02:36 |
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| jamielennox | that sucks as if you change a parameter to the call the mock is broken | 02:37 |
| morganfainberg | oh god. | 02:37 |
| morganfainberg | that is sucktastic | 02:37 |
| jamielennox | httpretty just gets bellow that and says if you see a connection going to this URI then just return this | 02:37 |
| morganfainberg | so, shifty python namespace trickery to make things much nicer | 02:38 |
| jamielennox | and it works at the socket level so it doesn't matter if the request is via requests, httplib, urllib..... | 02:38 |
| morganfainberg | I approve. | 02:38 |
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| morganfainberg | this change has enough to it i needed opendiff to see where things map | 02:38 |
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| jamielennox | opendiff? | 02:38 |
| morganfainberg | mac thing | 02:38 |
| jamielennox | bah | 02:38 |
| morganfainberg | opendiff <file> <file2> | 02:38 |
| morganfainberg | is awesome | 02:38 |
| jamielennox | cause i really want something that can track movements in diffs | 02:39 |
| morganfainberg | i think linux has something similar. | 02:39 |
| morganfainberg | linux? | 02:39 |
| jamielennox | yea | 02:39 |
| morganfainberg | difftool | 02:39 |
| jamielennox | there are graphical diffs, but if you rearrange things it wont tract it | 02:39 |
| morganfainberg | it still has issues with that | 02:39 |
| jamielennox | vimdiff | 02:39 |
| morganfainberg | but opendiff is decent | 02:40 |
| morganfainberg | also, you going to deprecate (in another changeset) the diablo stuff? | 02:40 |
| jamielennox | there was this thing i saw a while ago | 02:40 |
| jamielennox | http://www.semanticmerge.com/ | 02:40 |
| jamielennox | but it's windows and java/c# only | 02:40 |
| morganfainberg | i see some of that still lingering in the tests. | 02:40 |
| jamielennox | i want that for python | 02:41 |
| morganfainberg | hehe | 02:41 |
| morganfainberg | you use an IDE for python dev? | 02:41 |
| morganfainberg | if so, which one? | 02:41 |
| jamielennox | gvim | 02:41 |
| morganfainberg | nice. | 02:41 |
| morganfainberg | i'm a slacker, i use pycharm :P | 02:41 |
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| jamielennox | my fingers are trained to the key combos, when i switch out of vim i end up with key combos in the text | 02:42 |
| jamielennox | whats worse is when pressing esc closes something | 02:42 |
| morganfainberg | hehe. my boss is the same way | 02:42 |
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| jamielennox | for example if you comment in gerrit and press cancel it thinks you want to just discard that comment without confirmation | 02:43 |
| jamielennox | the number of times i've had to rewrite gerrit inline comments.... | 02:43 |
| morganfainberg | yeah. | 02:43 |
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| morganfainberg | i just write a comment and hit save, can always discard later | 02:43 |
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| jamielennox | anyway, there are a few bugs i've hit in httpretty | 02:44 |
| jamielennox | so part of the rearrange might have been me working around those | 02:44 |
| morganfainberg | thats fine | 02:44 |
| morganfainberg | nothing is too crazy atm | 02:44 |
| morganfainberg | but i'm at the top of the file. | 02:44 |
| jamielennox | it's supposed to be fine with doing straight socket stuff but it doesn't like you doing memcache calls when it's expecting http | 02:44 |
| morganfainberg | ah. | 02:45 |
| jamielennox | it's known and i think they are working on it | 02:45 |
| morganfainberg | i' | 02:45 |
| morganfainberg | ll be honest, most of what i'm looking for here is test parity | 02:45 |
| jamielennox | i try really hard to not change how things work in those tests | 02:45 |
| morganfainberg | if the test parity is there, i'm happy, regardless of the tool. | 02:46 |
| jamielennox | just make it a bit more sane or change it around but leave the underlying test untouched | 02:46 |
| morganfainberg | makes sense | 02:46 |
| jamielennox | thanks for getting through them though, people have got back in to the habit of ignoring client | 02:46 |
| morganfainberg | you can play other forms of cleanup separate from "rip out the mock tool" | 02:46 |
| morganfainberg | well, i want to get through yours and the apliclient stuff | 02:47 |
| jamielennox | there are a couple there that have been up a week without any review | 02:47 |
| morganfainberg | tonight | 02:47 |
| jamielennox | he's not going to be happy with me i think | 02:47 |
| jamielennox | i redid a bunch of the base stuff for apiclient | 02:48 |
| jamielennox | and i know he is working on it too | 02:48 |
| morganfainberg | since there isn't much in keystone proper i am really keen on reviewing tonight (it's moving along without too many things lingering atm), and keystoneclient has some stagnation in the queue atm | 02:48 |
| morganfainberg | and i need to get another patchset for the cacher up. | 02:49 |
| morganfainberg | cacheing layer* | 02:49 |
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| jamielennox | o yea, i need to look through that | 02:49 |
| morganfainberg | btw, if you feel like being critical of a patch… i'd appriciate any feedback you have on the caching layer. | 02:49 |
| jamielennox | it's a great idea and i think it should be fine to do at the driver layer, but that sort of caching is always fiddly | 02:50 |
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| morganfainberg | yeah, it is. and a lot of how keystone works makes invalidations … "interesting" | 02:51 |
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| morganfainberg | once you get beyond the very basic CRUD interfaces | 02:51 |
| jamielennox | a little while ago i made the first attempts at making all those drivers into objects - i get some of the pain | 02:52 |
| morganfainberg | hehe. well i expect to move towards ABC with the drivers in icehouse. | 02:53 |
| morganfainberg | objects or not. | 02:53 |
| morganfainberg | i'd love things to be more builder style. | 02:54 |
| jamielennox | mixed opinions on that one, it should be fine in the server | 02:54 |
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| morganfainberg | right. | 02:54 |
| morganfainberg | oh so.. | 02:54 |
| morganfainberg | somethign i would like your input on... | 02:55 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1212939 | 02:55 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1212939 in keystone "periodic-keystone-python27-stable-grizzly fails due to"No module named netaddr" " [Undecided,Confirmed] | 02:55 |
| morganfainberg | i am torn on how to solve this. | 02:55 |
| morganfainberg | we do testing with vendor keystoneclient in grizzly | 02:56 |
| morganfainberg | but we don't install the client, so we end up missing netaddr | 02:56 |
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| morganfainberg | the easiest solution is add netaddr to test-requires (but it's not really the "right" answer) | 02:56 |
| jamielennox | the whole way we do vendor keystoneclient testing is not the right answer | 02:56 |
| morganfainberg | right. | 02:57 |
| jamielennox | i think i would just add it to test-requires, i'd also be interested to know if that's the only thing in keystoneclient's requirements.txt which isn't in keystone's test-requirements.txt | 02:57 |
| morganfainberg | it's the only thing that (at this point) causes an error. | 02:58 |
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| morganfainberg | but future changes are not guarenteed to be tracked this way | 02:58 |
| jamielennox | just something to be mindful of if you add things to keystoneclient's requirements | 02:59 |
| morganfainberg | grizzly and … folsom need backports of the requirements | 02:59 |
| jamielennox | there is no real other way around it, you can't make the test code install a module | 02:59 |
| morganfainberg | oh, that could get ugly fast. | 02:59 |
| jamielennox | it depends when netaddr got added to keystoneclient and i have a feeling it wasn't long ago | 03:00 |
| morganfainberg | no it wasn't | 03:00 |
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| morganfainberg | 2013-07-20 | 03:00 |
| morganfainberg | was for an oslo sync. | 03:00 |
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| jamielennox | yea, i remember | 03:00 |
| morganfainberg | do you want to propose a fix to stable/grizzly or should I? | 03:02 |
| jamielennox | so it should be on keystone's test-requirements.txt because we can't 'install' the client in tests | 03:02 |
| morganfainberg | yeah | 03:02 |
| jamielennox | i don't mind, you trying to go to bed? | 03:02 |
| morganfainberg | short of refactoring how "vendor" tests are done. | 03:02 |
| morganfainberg | nope, i'm trying to review clientcode ;) | 03:02 |
| jamielennox | heh, i thought of that for a while | 03:02 |
| jamielennox | ayoung and i even tried to see if we could move them into tempest or somewhere | 03:02 |
| jamielennox | ok | 03:03 |
| jamielennox | i'll do it | 03:03 |
| morganfainberg | that would be a better place to do it, tempest that is | 03:03 |
| morganfainberg | imo | 03:03 |
| jamielennox | can't apparenlty | 03:03 |
| jamielennox | tempest doesn't use the individual clients | 03:03 |
| morganfainberg | actually, what might make sense is adding a vendor target to tox, | 03:03 |
| jamielennox | it tests the api directly | 03:04 |
| morganfainberg | that does an actual install of the clients we want to test with | 03:04 |
| morganfainberg | and then get infra to gate on it if possible | 03:04 |
| morganfainberg | i know, more gate tests = ick. | 03:05 |
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| jamielennox | that is indeed better, but that would still involve having it running from the keystone dir right? | 03:07 |
| morganfainberg | not if it's installed in the venv. | 03:07 |
| morganfainberg | it might be doable to do that. | 03:07 |
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| morganfainberg | basically a "vendor-requires" that is installed post "test-requires" or some such | 03:08 |
| morganfainberg | but only in the tox -evendor27 tests | 03:08 |
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| morganfainberg | or whatever it ends up being | 03:08 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: agh, there is a bunch of others that don't get installed | 03:09 |
| morganfainberg | well, test suite works w/ just netaddr | 03:09 |
| jamielennox | ok, didn't realize the requirements install was called from within tox - but it makes sense if it's controlling the venv | 03:09 |
| morganfainberg | immidiate fix is just adding that one | 03:10 |
| morganfainberg | but, we need to revisit how we do vendor test. | 03:10 |
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| jamielennox | the problem is you wouldn't know based on what is installed by default | 03:11 |
| morganfainberg | hrm? by default? | 03:12 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i see it missing: PrettyTable, simplejson, six, and netaddr | 03:12 |
| jamielennox | and argparse | 03:12 |
| jamielennox | so not default, but by other dependencies | 03:12 |
| morganfainberg | ah | 03:13 |
| jamielennox | so i think oslo.config would take care of argparse | 03:13 |
| morganfainberg | and six, likely as well. | 03:13 |
| morganfainberg | just a hunch | 03:13 |
| jamielennox | i'm not sure why keystone doesn't use six | 03:13 |
| jamielennox | well, i know why, but it's not good | 03:13 |
| morganfainberg | because we haven't gotten there yet? | 03:14 |
| jamielennox | no attempt has been made | 03:14 |
| morganfainberg | well, if I implement ABC, we will be starting there | 03:14 |
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| jamielennox | ok, i'm going to ignore the rest - i would suggest pretty table isn't installed but it isn't tested either | 03:15 |
| morganfainberg | probably | 03:15 |
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| jamielennox | morganfainberg: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43397/ | 03:17 |
| morganfainberg | thanks | 03:17 |
| jamielennox | np | 03:18 |
| jamielennox | it's still work hours for me | 03:18 |
| morganfainberg | hehe | 03:18 |
| morganfainberg | it's always work hours for me | 03:18 |
| morganfainberg | <— startup employee | 03:18 |
| jamielennox | explains why you're always on late | 03:19 |
| morganfainberg | yep | 03:19 |
| morganfainberg | that and i actually really like working on this code. | 03:19 |
| morganfainberg | i'd do it in my spare time if i wasn't paid to do it | 03:19 |
| morganfainberg | heck, if i wasn't having a flight to HK covered, i'd be going on my own dime. | 03:20 |
| morganfainberg | thankfully i don't have to pay out of pocket | 03:21 |
| jamielennox | it's great - and there's always so much to do :) | 03:21 |
| morganfainberg | yep yep | 03:21 |
| jamielennox | i'm covered for this one because the higher up consider HK 'local' | 03:21 |
| jamielennox | we'll see what happens when they shift back to the US | 03:22 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: line 537, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41333/7/tests/test_auth_token_middleware.py new file - was it intentional to change from a 401 to a 404 in the register? | 03:23 |
| jamielennox | also i would love line number anchoring in gerrit | 03:23 |
| morganfainberg | yes. please | 03:24 |
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| jamielennox | It wasn't intentional to change a test - but i'm not sure i did | 03:24 |
| jamielennox | if you do a get like that on an invalid token it should be a 404 right? | 03:25 |
| jamielennox | a 401 would be that your token doesn't have permission to validate it | 03:25 |
| morganfainberg | except you're expecting 401 | 03:25 |
| morganfainberg | a couple lines later | 03:25 |
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| morganfainberg | or am i mis-understadnign the httpretty stuff | 03:25 |
| jamielennox | ah | 03:25 |
| morganfainberg | i'm fine commenting on it and moving on. | 03:26 |
| morganfainberg | just you're here :P | 03:26 |
| jamielennox | how did that work? | 03:26 |
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| morganfainberg | yeah thats what i'm baffled about | 03:26 |
| jamielennox | o right | 03:26 |
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| jamielennox | no that makes sense | 03:26 |
| jamielennox | so this is auth_token middleware we are testing | 03:26 |
| jamielennox | so middleware calls keystone gets a 404 | 03:26 |
| morganfainberg | oh duh | 03:26 |
| jamielennox | returns a 401 to user | 03:26 |
| morganfainberg | 404 = 401 from middle ware | 03:26 |
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| morganfainberg | i'm gonna toss a "please comment some of this stuff" in the tests comments (not a −1, just not straightforward with this much delta) | 03:27 |
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| jamielennox | sounds good | 03:27 |
| jamielennox | just saying though it's no more confusing than the original :) | 03:28 |
| morganfainberg | no no, but it doesn't hurt to add comments in when doing this kind of refactor | 03:28 |
| morganfainberg | esp. if it makes it easier to understand going forward | 03:29 |
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| morganfainberg | +2'd | 03:43 |
| morganfainberg | phew. | 03:43 |
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| jamielennox | gracias | 03:45 |
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| jamielennox | ahh, how are you supposed to make backwards compatible changes when test code stubs private methods | 03:55 |
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| koolhead17 | danwent: hi | 04:53 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox: you proposed the change on master. iirc that change is only needed for stable/grizzly | 05:03 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: wow, i thought you'd have left for sure | 05:03 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: i just finished my review bunch for the evening | 05:04 |
| jamielennox | how do i propose to stable, just base it on that branch | 05:04 |
| jamielennox | ? | 05:04 |
| morganfainberg | yeah | 05:04 |
| morganfainberg | just start with stable/grizzly | 05:04 |
| morganfainberg | make the change, then git review | 05:04 |
| morganfainberg | well you know, commit, etc :P | 05:05 |
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| clarkb | git review stable/grizzly | 05:05 |
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| clarkb | that will propose it against stable grizzly in gerrit | 05:06 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: i thought it had a defaultbranch, so it wasn't needed | 05:06 |
| morganfainberg | clarkb: ah. my mistake then. | 05:06 |
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| clarkb | it might. depends on the.gitreview file | 05:06 |
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| morganfainberg | hmm. i wonder how often we merge transifex stuff. *looks at the 33203 lines of change for the one in keystone* | 05:07 |
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| jamielennox | clarkb: it just works | 05:08 |
| jamielennox | if the upstream branch is stable/grizzly then gerrit knows to put it there | 05:08 |
| jamielennox | or in this case it did | 05:08 |
| morganfainberg | .gitreview is set right | 05:09 |
| morganfainberg | for keystone | 05:09 |
| morganfainberg | on that branch | 05:09 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: mind abandoning https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43397/ | 05:09 |
| jamielennox | thought i would try that way first as i'm more likely to remember that | 05:09 |
| jamielennox | new one is: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/43402/ | 05:09 |
| morganfainberg | yep | 05:09 |
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| sridevi | Hi mark | 05:40 |
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| stevemar | morganfainberg is on a review spree! | 05:57 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar: mebbe | 05:59 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: i'm pretty suree | 05:59 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: well, keystoneclient needed some love | 06:00 |
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| morganfainberg | stevemar: and… i think i'm gonna go to bed. | 06:06 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: until tmrw sir | 06:06 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: yep yep, | 06:06 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox: thanks for the CC on the email. | 06:12 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: catch ya tomorrow | 06:13 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i'll see email tomorrow | 06:13 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: unlikely i'll be on irc | 06:13 |
| jamielennox | but i thought you might be interested as we've talked about it | 06:13 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: then have a good weekend. right… day is different over there… send me lotto numbers for tomorrow? :P | 06:13 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: i'll try and remember, have a good night | 06:14 |
| morganfainberg | jamielennox: yeah, i'm happy to be included, don't have much to say regarding it at the moment, but good to be looped in. | 06:14 |
| jamielennox | i should have added some others but i really wasn't sure who, and i didn't think it was right for ML | 06:14 |
| jamielennox | besides you're a machine, what's the harm in another 8 patches to look at | 06:15 |
| morganfainberg | god. | 06:15 |
| morganfainberg | don't make my brain hurt :P | 06:15 |
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| morganfainberg | once we're through the feature freeze, i'm looking forward to doing more cleanup stuff | 06:15 |
| morganfainberg | see if we can narrow down that open bug list. | 06:15 |
| jamielennox | i think that's becoming more important as it keeps getting bigger | 06:15 |
| morganfainberg | nice clean slate for working on icehouse. | 06:16 |
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| morganfainberg | yeah. | 06:16 |
| jamielennox | luckily/unfortuanetly client doesn't work on that schedule | 06:16 |
| morganfainberg | right. | 06:16 |
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| jamielennox | i've no idea how long we are supposed to keep things deprecated for in that case | 06:17 |
| morganfainberg | i'd aim for 2 releases | 06:17 |
| morganfainberg | same as keystone proper | 06:17 |
| morganfainberg | i mean | 06:17 |
| morganfainberg | like, h->i->j | 06:18 |
| jamielennox | 2 server releases | 06:18 |
| morganfainberg | yeah | 06:18 |
| jamielennox | yea, otherwise we'd be done with it in about a month | 06:18 |
| morganfainberg | anything we deprecate now, we tag for J removal | 06:18 |
| morganfainberg | erm | 06:18 |
| morganfainberg | k? | 06:18 |
| stevemar | yes K | 06:18 |
| jamielennox | ay, yuk | 06:18 |
| morganfainberg | when we deprecate we include in the deprecation warning when it will be removed. | 06:19 |
| morganfainberg | and docstring | 06:19 |
| stevemar | then 2 releases | 06:19 |
| morganfainberg | it's a pain, but at least we will have a schedule | 06:19 |
| stevemar | true true | 06:19 |
| jamielennox | seriously, what time is it for you two? | 06:20 |
| morganfainberg | 2320 | 06:20 |
| jamielennox | that's not so bad | 06:20 |
| morganfainberg | socal. | 06:20 |
| jamielennox | not as bad as i though | 06:20 |
| jamielennox | t | 06:20 |
| morganfainberg | nah, but i haven't gone to sleep before 0300 the last 3 days | 06:20 |
| morganfainberg | stupid caching thing on my mind :P | 06:21 |
| jamielennox | it's 4:20pm on a friday here, write this blueprint then i need a beer | 06:21 |
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| stevemar | its 2:20am for me :) | 06:21 |
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| morganfainberg | only 1 beer? | 06:21 |
| morganfainberg | in fact. i could go for a beer. or 3 | 06:21 |
| jamielennox | 1 at a time | 06:21 |
| morganfainberg | no craft beer at home atm =( i ran out. | 06:22 |
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| morganfainberg | jamielennox: i'll see if i can get through the keyring stuff tomorrow. those were another couple reviews that i'm going to need to take some more time to not miss something. | 06:23 |
| jamielennox | morganfainberg: no worries | 06:24 |
| jamielennox | the keyring change itself is pretty easy | 06:24 |
| jamielennox | it's the test change that it depends upon is a little scary | 06:24 |
| morganfainberg | yeah. just after httpretty, brain felt fried. | 06:24 |
| jamielennox | it's a much better system | 06:24 |
| jamielennox | means we actually test the client code rather than stubbing out the base of client in our tests | 06:25 |
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| morganfainberg | i commented that the PKI caching one from Kieran should be based on your httpretty one | 06:25 |
| morganfainberg | anyways.... | 06:26 |
| jamielennox | when i'm feeling like i don't have anything to do i'll just start picking test files and rewriting them with httpretty | 06:26 |
| morganfainberg | zzzzz | 06:26 |
| jamielennox | good night | 06:26 |
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| gongysh | henrynash: ping | 06:35 |
| henrynash | gongysh:hi | 06:35 |
| gongysh | henrynash: what is your opinion of the bug https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1215627 | 06:35 |
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| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1215627 in keystone "Keystone Should re-use non-expired tokens, instead of generating new tokens." [Undecided,Confirmed] | 06:35 |
| gongysh | it is nice if we can have it fixed since the nova is creating too much token during running. | 06:36 |
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| gongysh | the nova will use the neutron client to flush the all instances IP information periodically, which will generate many tokens. | 06:37 |
| gongysh | flush -> refresh, or get or query. | 06:38 |
| henrynash | gongysh; I agree that the number of tokens is a probelm | 06:38 |
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| gongysh | henrynash: then what is your advised solution? do u agree to the solution in the bug 1215627? | 06:39 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1215627 in keystone "Keystone Should re-use non-expired tokens, instead of generating new tokens." [Undecided,Confirmed] https://launchpad.net/bugs/1215627 | 06:39 |
| henrynash | gongysh: sp is the idea that we re-use the token ID with a new expiry time? | 06:39 |
| henrynash | gongysh: (sorry slow to respond since I am on a call) | 06:40 |
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| gongysh | henrynash: Yes, we can refresh the expiry time whenever the token is reused. | 06:41 |
| gongysh | henrynash: or we can just return the token with old expiry time. | 06:41 |
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| henrynash | gongysh: so I want to be clear of the user case: are we trying to optimise for when a user asks for a new token lists of times when they have a perfectly good one already, or when their token is expiring? | 06:43 |
| gongysh | henrynash: we can add one configuration option to allow use the active token, such as reuse_valid_token = False | 06:43 |
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| jamielennox | gongysh: what is the scenario here? why is it filed as a keystone bug? | 06:44 |
| jamielennox | it sounds like it is an issue with the way that services consume keystone tokens | 06:45 |
| gongysh | keystone will always return a new token if user calls the authentication API even if the information given by user are the same. | 06:47 |
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| jamielennox | gongysh: i would consider that to be the expected behaviour | 06:47 |
| henrynash | gongysh: and would we re-use the token even the scope/details of that token were different to the last one, or only if it has been requested for the same scope | 06:48 |
| henrynash | gongysh: worried about auditing etc. | 06:48 |
| gongysh | henrynash: I am expecting reuse token if the scope is the same. | 06:48 |
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| henrynash | gongysh: ok, so IF we do think that repeated requests for the same scoped token is a key cause of token bloat, then I can see this as a reasonable optimisation | 06:52 |
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| gongysh | henrynash: ok | 06:53 |
| gongysh | I will update the bug accordingly | 06:54 |
| gongysh | henrynash: Can I just put the chat log into the bug comment? | 06:55 |
| henrynash | gongysh: sure | 06:55 |
| gongysh | thanks | 06:55 |
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| jamielennox | what happens to token expiry times in that case? | 06:55 |
| jamielennox | is there a threshold/ | 06:56 |
| jamielennox | my token expiry is scoped to now + some amount of time | 06:56 |
| henrynash | gongysh: ….and if we do this, we would not change the expiry time…we would just pass back the same token ID IF the scope was the same | 06:56 |
| jamielennox | if i request the same token again at what point should i get a new token | 06:56 |
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| henrynash | jamielennox: I guess it expires the same……hmm, yes, actually that is a problem…should we or should we not set a new expiry time…. | 06:57 |
| ekarlso- | how did the split backend stuff go keystone folks ? | 06:58 |
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| henrynash | jamielennix: I think we'd have to reset the expiry time….otherwise people's code for expecting when tokens expiry might get upset | 06:59 |
| jamielennox | ekarlso-: it's considered done - i don't have any experience with setting it up though | 06:59 |
| jamielennox | henrynash: if we reset the expiry then it has to be a new token | 07:00 |
| henrynash | gongysh: we need to discuss expiery time as part of this optimisation if we do it | 07:00 |
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| gongysh | henrynash: yes | 07:00 |
| jamielennox | PKI tokens cannot be changed - and UUID ones really shouldn't be | 07:01 |
| henrynash | jamielennox: hmmm, tricky…I kind of agree….I see why you said about a threshold (below which you re-issue a new token with a new expiry time) | 07:02 |
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| henrynash | jamielennox: intersteing idea | 07:02 |
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| gongysh | henrynash: I am also think we have a threshold. | 07:02 |
| gongysh | think -> thinking | 07:02 |
| jamielennox | henrynash: the problem is that i know the intended direction is to make token times shorter so that we can not do revocation | 07:03 |
| jamielennox | to ~5min | 07:03 |
| henrynash | jammielennox: maybe that is a better solution (and all this has to be a configurable optimisation, disabled by defaullt) | 07:03 |
| jamielennox | at which point what threshold makes sense? | 07:03 |
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| henrynash | jamielennox: and agree with that goal…which would make such an optimisation useless | 07:03 |
| jamielennox | but i guess that time would be configurable so you could still do this with a threshold that was also configurable | 07:04 |
| jamielennox | if you set this up for an enterprise that doesn't change i can see having PKI tokens that are valid for a day or so | 07:04 |
| henrynash | gongysh: all good info…I think we need a small bp on this | 07:04 |
| jamielennox | but honestly it sounds like the service that is consuming token should be doing a better job on caching the token | 07:05 |
| jamielennox | there is keyring in keystoneclient for this | 07:05 |
| gongysh | henrynash: yes | 07:05 |
| henrynash | sorry, gotta drop off line for a bit | 07:05 |
| jamielennox | yea, i'm out too | 07:05 |
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| jamielennox | gongysh: a blueprint is a good idea, then put it on the ML | 07:05 |
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| gongysh | ok, I will try to register a BP, and then keep the chat log, and then send out it on ML (openstack-dev) | 07:06 |
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| gongysh | jamielennox henrynash: I have sent out the email to openstack-dev. | 07:41 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, do you have notes for your set up? I think I need to use the Foreman version of Puppet on RHEl6, as the one that ships with it is 2.6.8 and it seems to be missing some of the functions that the Keystone puppet module requires. | 12:10 |
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| rcrit | ayoung, https://etherpad.openstack.org/openstack-secure-ssl | 12:43 |
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| rohitk | @nova-core: Please +1 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35365/ | 13:02 |
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| jswarren | @glance-core: Please +2 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/40232/ | 13:21 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, I hope you don't mind that I cleared the Authorship colors on that doc. The hot oink highlighting was burning my brain | 13:31 |
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| rcrit | reminded me of princesses | 13:32 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, you have some internal URLs there. I think we need the EPEL/RDO equivalents | 13:32 |
| dolphm | ayoung: are you talking about etherpad? | 13:32 |
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| ayoung | dolphm, yep | 13:32 |
| dolphm | ayoung: i'm curious- you turned off rendering of authorship colors (i do this all the time) or actually wiped away the authorship data? | 13:33 |
| rcrit | ayoung, well, the daily builds aren't public AFAIK. | 13:33 |
| rcrit | I may just have to rip that part out and do some hand-waving. | 13:34 |
| ayoung | dolphm, rcrit there should be EPEL bits for theformeman. | 13:34 |
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| rcrit | perhaps but untested by me, and probably ancient (relatively) | 13:34 |
| ayoung | let me ask Perry | 13:35 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, actuall, lets ask in #theforeman | 13:35 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, any reason the Keystone_IdM page can't be made public? | 13:42 |
| rcrit | no | 13:42 |
| ayoung | ah nevermind | 13:42 |
| ayoung | it is on rdo, which is public | 13:42 |
| ayoung | let me update the link | 13:43 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, I meant | 13:43 |
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| ayoung | "I started with these instructions for setting up a Foreman server and an OpenStack controller and compute node" | 13:43 |
| ayoung | points to docspace | 13:43 |
| rcrit | ayoung, that's not up to me. | 13:43 |
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| ayoung | rcrit, so we can push that article to openstack.redhat.com and others should be able to read it. | 13:50 |
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| dolphm | oh god there's 2x mtaylor's now | 14:09 |
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| rcrit | ohadlevy, you offered puppet help yesterday. I'll take you up on it now :-) | 15:06 |
| rcrit | ohadlevy, there is a program named certmonger which manages certificate requests, using either NSS or OpenSSL | 15:07 |
| rcrit | ohadlevy, for either it can generate the keys, submit a CSR to a CA and fetch the certificate | 15:07 |
| rcrit | ohadlevy, but for OpenSSL if the key file already exists, it assumes you pre-generated the key so it tries to use it | 15:07 |
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| rcrit | ohadlevy, so I've got a race condition. I have the execution of certmonger as a before of File[$key] but certmonger doesn't block. | 15:08 |
| rcrit | ohadlevy, you submit a request and it does its work in the background. This means that sometimes puppet touches the key file before certmonger gets to it | 15:09 |
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| rcrit | ohadlevy, Any tips on getting ordering right in this case? I still need a File entry for the key so I can make sure perms and ownership are correct. | 15:09 |
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| cfriesen | I noticed yesterday that in Grizzly regardless of the number of vCPUs the value of /sys/fs/cgroup/cpu/libvirt/qemu/instance-X/cpu.shares seems to be the same. If we were overloaded, this would give all instances the same cpu time regardless of the number of vCPUs in the instance. | 15:58 |
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| cfriesen | Is this design intent? It seems to me that it would be more correct to have the instance value be multiplied by the number of vCPUs. | 15:58 |
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| branen_ | Are there any openstack/requirements core members out there that can approve my minor version update? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42991/ Thanks | 16:06 |
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| zyluo | dolphm, ping | 16:08 |
| dolphm | zyluo: pong | 16:08 |
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| dolphm | zyluo: i replied to your comment in the review, you don't need to message me privately about it | 16:13 |
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| zyluo | dolphm, so you are accusing me of plagiarism is what you are saying? | 16:15 |
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| dolphm | zyluo: he plagiarized your change, made an improvement, and then you plagiarized the improvement back. obviously you agree with his improvement, so just get it worked out and create a dependent patchset | 16:18 |
| zyluo | dolphm, I think there is a misunderstanding but I've never looked in to his patch | 16:18 |
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| zyluo | dolphm, just wanted to be clear that my work is original. | 16:19 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: ayoung hey guys, I did some research and if we send notifications in the managers for keystone/identity/core.py for projects and users we are fine. But... if we do the same for services and endpoints in keystone/catalog/core.py Managers class then we don't have the right endpoint id passed in and three notifications are sent... http://paste.openstack.org/show/45035/ | 16:19 |
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| lbragstad | bknudson: ^ | 16:19 |
| bknudson | do we care if work is original or borrowed from other openstack code? | 16:19 |
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| bknudson | lbragstad: I think we need to find the right layer to send notifications | 16:21 |
| bknudson | the problem with doing it at the controller level is now we've got to do it in 2 places, for v2 and v3 (and then v4 when that comes around) | 16:22 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: it should definitely be done by managers | 16:22 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: i don't see a use case for doing it in controllers or drivers | 16:22 |
| lbragstad | bknudson: right I agree... I tested this out by calling to send the notification in keystone/catalog/controllers.py in the V2 and V3 classes and we have the right ID and only one notification is sent | 16:22 |
| bknudson | I think the controller layer is a bad spot because what it should be doing is translating the response and then calling a manager. | 16:22 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: ++ | 16:22 |
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| bknudson | "translating the request that comes in and translating the response that goes out" is what I should have said | 16:23 |
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| bknudson | so maybe the problem has to do with the endpoint controller doing too much | 16:23 |
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| bknudson | and what the extra stuff the v3 controller is doing should be pushed down to the manager. | 16:23 |
| lbragstad | calling to send notifications in the managers like dolphm suggested works just fine for projects/tenants and users | 16:24 |
| dolphm | lbragstad: on the plagiarism thing, they both did a bit of original work and they should both get credit. accepting one patch or the other is unfair to the other person | 16:24 |
| dolphm | bknudson* ^ | 16:24 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: how do we give 2 credit? Co-authored-by? | 16:25 |
| dolphm | bknudson: dependent commit | 16:25 |
| lbragstad | dolphm: plagiarism? | 16:25 |
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| zyluo | dolphm, the word plagiarism is really bothering me. | 16:25 |
| MaxV | Someone knows how you could put something on a vote to the openstack mailing list? | 16:25 |
| dolphm | zyluo: bothers me too | 16:25 |
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| zyluo | dolphm, I'll just let my patch go and you guys can accept his. | 16:26 |
| dolphm | zyluo: if either author abandoned and said 'the other patch looks great' or whatever, then awesome. as-is, neither of you are acknowledging your exact duplicate submissions | 16:26 |
| henrynash | gyee: ping | 16:27 |
| dolphm | zyluo: obviously you reported the bug, and your first patchset was published before his... are you sure? | 16:27 |
| rohitk | Hi nova-core: requesting a review for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/35365/, thanks! | 16:27 |
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| zyluo | dolphm, it doesn't matter now. I was just suprised to hear you say I've copied work before going to bed | 16:29 |
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| zyluo | dolphm, just wanted to be clear about that plagiarism ever happend. | 16:30 |
| dolphm | zyluo: i'd rather you two just work it out, hence i blocked both | 16:30 |
| zyluo | s/ever/never | 16:30 |
| bknudson | which are the reviews? | 16:30 |
| zyluo | dolphm, thanks I'll review his | 16:30 |
| dolphm | bknudson: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42301/ https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42380/ | 16:31 |
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| bknudson | that is uncannily similar... maybe there's really only one way to fix it. | 16:32 |
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| bknudson | I like the commit message on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/42380/ better... doesn't have funky # | 16:36 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: that's just citing an inline comment by block quoting it, no? | 16:41 |
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| zyluo | bknudson, dolphm yes it was | 16:42 |
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| dolphm | keystoneclient/middleware/auth_token.py L470-471 | 16:42 |
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| dolphm | zyluo: bah, i meant to -2 both... apologies | 16:45 |
| dolphm | zyluo: exactly what i *didn't* want to do was choose one patch over the other | 16:45 |
| dolphm | zyluo: they're now both (temporarily?) blocked | 16:46 |
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| zyluo | It's already Saturday here. I'll ping him next monday. | 16:47 |
| dolphm | zyluo: understood | 16:47 |
| dolphm | zyluo: thank you | 16:47 |
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| ohadlevy | rcrit: did you sort it out? | 17:08 |
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| rcrit | ohadlevy, not yet | 17:11 |
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| rcrit | I think I'm going to need another Exec that does some sort of "wait-for-cert" | 17:15 |
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| ohadlevy | rcrit: so - 1. can you not send it to the bg? 2. you can do an exec based on a presence of a file | 17:20 |
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| rcrit | it's a race between puppet and certmonger to create a file. If certmonger wins the cert is issued. If puppet wins then issuance fails | 17:21 |
| rcrit | I actually need the file to *not* be there, and let certmonger create it, *then* set mode/ownership/etc | 17:21 |
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| insanida1e | question about devstack: each I boot the machine, what command should I use to restart the openstack service ? | 17:55 |
| insanida1e | *each time | 17:55 |
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| clarkb | insanida1e: rejoin-stack.sh iirc | 17:56 |
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| holms | clarkb: iirc? :) | 17:59 |
| clarkb | if I recall correctly | 17:59 |
| clarkb | I don't use devstack much | 17:59 |
| holms | what is iirc | 17:59 |
| holms | i only know an irc client with same name | 17:59 |
| holms | :D | 17:59 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: line 217 https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41208/11/doc/source/configuration.rst | 18:00 |
| holms | clarkb: what's your approach for development..? setupping openstack by hand from trunk repo..? | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: aha, i knew i was going to miss one. also missed "enabled" there | 18:00 |
| morganfainberg | grep -r is my friend next time. | 18:01 |
| clarkb | holms: I help run the developer infrastructure and end up doing less direct openstack development. And when I do run devstack I use single use nodes | 18:01 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: ack! | 18:01 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: logging doesn't seem to be very flexible in dogpile.core at the moment, i looked into it | 18:02 |
| holms | clarkb: i see. is devstack using latest dev branch of openstack..? just want to start contributing and kind'a confused in here | 18:03 |
| clarkb | holms: devstack master branch will use latest master of the other projects | 18:03 |
| holms | ok thanks | 18:04 |
| clarkb | if you checkout a devstack stable branch it will use that stable branch of the other projects | 18:04 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: both fixed. | 18:04 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: thanks! | 18:04 |
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| dolphm | morganfainberg: can you rebase the second change? | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | doing so right now. | 18:04 |
| morganfainberg | do you want the get_token.set() stuff? | 18:05 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: definitely optional | 18:05 |
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| morganfainberg | i see 2 options, 1: create_token can either call get_token, we can do an explicit .set (have to play with this a bit to test it) but only the default expiration | 18:05 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: +2 as-is, just curious if you could avoid a subsequent get_token() | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | yeah, doable. it's just a question of testing to see if i need to pass self into the set or not | 18:06 |
| morganfainberg | and if we're doing that, i think i might want to pull the token cache_ttl option out. | 18:07 |
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| morganfainberg | i'll keep it as is for now so we can move forward and if i can get it to be more elegant between now and h-final (minor massaging of efficiency is different than new features) | 18:08 |
| dolphm | morganfainberg: it looks like .set() can't be called with a custom expiration... but the custom expiration on tokens certainly makes sense | 18:08 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: just did simple reabse for now. | 18:09 |
| morganfainberg | dolphm: i'm going to start working on the assignment and identity basic caching now. | 18:11 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: is this backportable to grizzly? https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1210175 | 18:25 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1210175 in keystone "User operations with LDAP Identity and enabled_mask/user_enabled_default fail" [High,Fix committed] | 18:25 |
| dolphm | bknudson: if so, it could be backported as a single patch | 18:25 |
| bknudson | dolphm: I don't think the code has changed that much, although it's in a different place because the part was renamed. | 18:27 |
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| bknudson | dolphm: anyone who's using active directory is probably going to run into this problem too https://review.openstack.org/#/c/41515/ | 18:33 |
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| dolphm | bknudson: in grizzly? | 18:34 |
| bknudson | dolphm: yes, this isn't something that changed in havana. | 18:35 |
| dolphm | bknudson: i share sahdev's concern on your patch... i totally wouldn't look there for tests against common.ldap | 18:37 |
| bknudson | dolphm: working on it... I'll add a new part test_common_ldap.py | 18:37 |
| bknudson | seems like an obvious place to put something for common.ldap | 18:37 |
| dolphm | although i'd also posit that 'utils' is generally abused as 'i have no idea where this goes so here's a misc module' | 18:38 |
| bknudson | it becomes a dumping place | 18:38 |
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| insanidade | clarkb: you just answered a question but I had a problem with my machine and I lost what you said. I asked about restarting openstack service inside devstack after rebooting the machine where devstack is. would you please repeat your answer ? | 18:48 |
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| clarkb | insanidade: I think rejoin-stack.sh restarts the services for you | 18:51 |
| insanidade | clarkb: hmm, ok. Looks like it restores a screen session where devstack was running for the last time. | 18:52 |
| insanidade | That should probably work for me. | 18:52 |
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| insanidade | I'm using devstack for development. Does it create a volume when installed by default ? | 19:37 |
| rustlebee | create a volume? | 19:37 |
| rustlebee | can you expand on your question? | 19:37 |
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| insanidade | rustlebee: sorry. I think I made a mistake. Weird question. | 19:45 |
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| ttx | psedlak: around ? | 19:59 |
| psedlak | ttx: yes | 19:59 |
| psedlak | hi : | 19:59 |
| psedlak | :] | 19:59 |
| ttx | psedlak: I'm trying to make sense of the whole mess :) | 19:59 |
| ttx | dkranz, mtreinish: you can join in if interested | 19:59 |
| dkranz | ttx: PL | 20:00 |
| dkranz | ttx: I mean, OK | 20:00 |
| ekarlso- | dhellmann_: ping, is there a way with stevedore to easily list out the entrypoints in a ns ? | 20:00 |
| ttx | psedlak: so it looks like I had a simplistic view of the issue. | 20:00 |
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| ttx | psedlak: IIUC there are two separate issues: one if the netaddr dep, the other is the keyring fail ? | 20:00 |
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| psedlak | yea, me too it seems | 20:01 |
| cp16net | jkoelker: ping | 20:01 |
| ttx | psedlak: we have one review which adds netaddr, and python-keystoneclient 0.3.2. IIUC both fix the same issue | 20:01 |
| ttx | psedlak: so even with this in we'd stil be blocked by the keyring fail. Is that your understanding too ? | 20:02 |
| jkoelker | cp16net: ICMP echo reply | 20:02 |
| cp16net | :) | 20:02 |
| cp16net | jkoelker: so i noticed that in oslo-incubator wsgi moved to deprecated | 20:03 |
| psedlak | ttx: yes, not sure about that netaddr just from quick look on that ml thread i was thinking is kind of solved | 20:03 |
| cp16net | jkoelker: when i ran the update.py it didnt remove the old wsgi just copied the new stuff in | 20:03 |
| cp16net | jkoelker: should i open a bug to have that remove the dir then copy everything requested to update? | 20:03 |
| jkoelker | cp16net: yea i'm not sure how we intend to handle removal, its totes a bug though | 20:04 |
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| ttx | psedlak: latest python-keystoneclient has netaddr in requirements alright | 20:04 |
| jkoelker | cp16net: on the one hand i don't think removing it outright would be kosher | 20:04 |
| cp16net | jkoelker: yeah i was updating it in trove and releazed after i got it all working that i need to remove that but it would be very easy to accidently keep old code in the commons | 20:05 |
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| cp16net | ahh... i see it... | 20:06 |
| ttx | psedlak: if we don't have a fix lined up for the keyring side of the issue, then I guess working around the tests is a good idea | 20:06 |
| cp16net | https://bugs.launchpad.net/oslo/+bug/1181630 | 20:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1181630 in oslo "update.py does not handle the removal of a module" [Wishlist,In progress] | 20:06 |
| cp16net | <3 | 20:06 |
| ttx | mtreinish: looks like I thought we were closer to the solution than we actually are | 20:06 |
| psedlak | ttx: interesting is that as mtreinish pointed out it happens also on master ... where i was expecting those unified requirements ... | 20:06 |
| psedlak | and based on https://pypi.python.org/pypi/keyring#id3 it should be fixed from 1.6+ | 20:06 |
| mtreinish | psedlak: but your comments on https://bugs.launchpad.net/devstack/+bug/1193164 seemed to imply that you have an idea for a fix | 20:06 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1193164 in devstack "GnomeKeyring errors when installing devstack" [Undecided,New] | 20:06 |
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| dkranz | ttx: IMO the skipped tests are trivial, the issue is non-trivial, stable/grizzly has been busted for a week, and it is Friday. | 20:07 |
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| dkranz | ttx: Given, that it seems reasonable to turn this from CRITICAL to urgent by skipping. | 20:08 |
| psedlak | mtreinish: well that was just deducation, as i don't really see into the keyring issue ... otherwise i would proposed patch | 20:08 |
| psedlak | still how is that it appears on master! | 20:08 |
| psedlak | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/5ed3935f8414905a67ecaefa2016396741c9d2cb/global-requirements.txt#L103 | 20:08 |
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| psedlak | this should put there 1.6.1 and based on the previous pypi link it should be fixed ... so what am I missing? :[ | 20:09 |
| psedlak | *at least 1.6.1 | 20:09 |
| jkoelker | cp16net: sorry got nocked offline for a bit there. | 20:09 |
| cp16net | jkoelker: ok no worries | 20:10 |
| cp16net | jkoelker: i found the bug | 20:10 |
| jkoelker | cp16net: cools | 20:10 |
| cp16net | look like https://review.openstack.org/#/c/31843/ | 20:10 |
| ttx | dkranz: I'm fine with skipping, as long as it's temporary and we continue to work on the underlying issue | 20:10 |
| ttx | dkranz: I thought we were way closer than we actually are | 20:10 |
| dkranz | ttx: Yes, it is temporary. We have done this many times before, but without as much scrutiny :) | 20:11 |
| mtreinish | ttx, dkranz: ok I'll remove my -2 then | 20:11 |
| cp16net | jkoelker: thx | 20:11 |
| ttx | dkranz: hat's the drawback of having me so west on the globe :) | 20:11 |
| jkoelker | cp16net: np | 20:11 |
| dkranz | ttx: Notice that your objection and my +A happened at exactly the same minute, even though this was busted for a week :) | 20:12 |
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| mtreinish | psedlak: looking at that log I put up on -qa before it's installing keyring 2.0 | 20:13 |
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| ttx | dkranz, mtreinish, psedlak: we should continue the discussion on the stable-maint ML. This issue has suffered of being distributed on multiple bugs/reviews/IRCdiscussions | 20:14 |
| dkranz | ttx: Ok. Are you going to explain the current situation and what we are doing? | 20:15 |
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| ttx | dkranz: ideally you'd post there about the tests being disabled, and psedlak would give us an end-of-week summary of where we stand on the underlying bug | 20:16 |
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| ttx | dkranz: I can do the former if you don't want to. | 20:16 |
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| dkranz | ttx: Well, I was hoping you could revert your saying I did the "worst thing ever". That kind of stung. | 20:17 |
| ttx | dkranz: fair enough | 20:18 |
| dkranz | ttx: Thanks. | 20:18 |
| ttx | psedlak: should we just make 1213912 a duplicate of 1193164, for clarity ? | 20:18 |
| psedlak | ttx: yes, i will mark it so | 20:19 |
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| ttx | dkranz: done | 20:23 |
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| dkranz | ttx: Thanks. We should also figure out how to stop this from happening. | 20:23 |
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| dkranz | ttx: One idea would be to pin stable client branches and have specific client compatibility tests. There is a tempest blueprint for that. | 20:24 |
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| dkranz | ttx: The big problem here was that this breakage slipped through the stable branch gate in the first place. | 20:24 |
| ttx | psedlak: before the end of your day, please post an update to the stable-maint ML in response to my recent post. That should put everyone on the same level of information and avoid confusion | 20:25 |
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| dkranz | ttx: I did not realize that we were running stable branches against master for some client libs. | 20:26 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson / ayoung: would anyone run assignment as a read-only ldap backend? | 20:26 |
| ttx | dkranz: I think that's by design. Latest clients should always work with supported server branches | 20:27 |
| morganfainberg | i can't think of a reason why someone would want to _actually_ do it, but it seems like nothing would prevent it. | 20:27 |
| ttx | dkranz: i.e. we don't do stable branches for clients. | 20:27 |
| dkranz | ttx: I know they should, which is why we badly need tests of that. | 20:27 |
| dkranz | ttx: But right now we essentially have an asymetrical gate on that. | 20:27 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, they might have had to do so in the past, but they should not have to in the future | 20:28 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: this is more for a documentation thing wrt caching in assignment backend | 20:28 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, I would assume that if it is possible, someone has done it | 20:28 |
| dkranz | ttx: Another thing is we could add a gate job to each client project that runs the latest stable branch with master clients. | 20:28 |
| psedlak | dkranz, ttx: and I'm not sure if it's actually client fault ... it seemd for me more as package/os/env issue ... but based on that it happens on master ... | 20:28 |
| ayoung | in the case of LDAP, many people have needed support there, and have gone through convolutions to make it happen | 20:28 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: i'll put a big note about how cache invalidation wont occur automagically if you're not having keystone update the data. that works for me. | 20:29 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: thanks | 20:29 |
| dkranz | psedlak: Perhaps. But it is an issue in any event that an incorrectly changed client can break the stable branch gate. | 20:29 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I think that is true across the board, and for LDAP, it is even common. | 20:29 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, how will cache invalidation happen in that case? Only on server restart? | 20:30 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: either restart, or you wait for the expiration_time (global cache setting) | 20:30 |
| morganfainberg | which currently defautlts to 600 seconds. | 20:30 |
| ayoung | OK...keeping the setting fairly low should | 20:30 |
| ayoung | no | 20:30 |
| ayoung | too long | 20:30 |
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| ayoung | way too long | 20:30 |
| ayoung | 10 minutes..... | 20:31 |
| psedlak | dkranz: y, funnier is that as those unified deps were not backported for grizzly it still looks like http://bpaste.net/show/vnYioO66WaD27IC7C1dh/ :] | 20:31 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: currently token has a separate cache_tll, haven't determined if other sections are getting it. | 20:31 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, lets go 2 minutes | 20:31 |
| dkranz | psedlak: Ick. | 20:32 |
| ayoung | I am more concerned about either a user losing privs or user being locked out | 20:32 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: sure. i'll get that into the base-implementation review. | 20:32 |
| ayoung | for LDAP queries for a specific user, it should be relatively short. Maybe even 1 minute | 20:32 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: also, each system is individually toggleable, you could disable assignment, but keep token caching | 20:32 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, just remember that hardly anyone changes the defaults. | 20:33 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: right, wondering now if it makes sense to define cache per system, no global default. | 20:34 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, [identity] chace_time=1000 | 20:35 |
| ayoung | cache | 20:35 |
| morganfainberg | right. | 20:35 |
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| morganfainberg | its what i setup for token. | 20:35 |
| morganfainberg | only thing in token not bound by that is the revocation list, but that is refreshed on any token revocation. | 20:35 |
| psedlak | ttx: will send more info to ML at morning (as it's already a quite after end of day here), and i would like to first at least quickly look at that failure on master with keyring-2.0 to get better picture ... ok? | 20:35 |
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| insanidade | anyone developing plugins? specially for neutron? | 20:36 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, global value gets used if there is not per system value set. You can default most of them to None | 20:36 |
| ayoung | if None use global. None is different than 0, 0 means don't cache | 20:36 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: yep. | 20:37 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: easy enough to do. and global, should we set that to ~120s then? | 20:37 |
| ayoung | I'd default the global one to one minute. | 20:37 |
| morganfainberg | 60. | 20:37 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 20:37 |
| ayoung | Oh, token revocation list should be longer term, I think | 20:37 |
| ayoung | since that gets updated whenever a token gets revoked. Worst that happens there is a lot of expired revoked tokens end up on it | 20:38 |
| ayoung | and lots of servers are going to be asking for it. | 20:38 |
| morganfainberg | yeah | 20:38 |
| morganfainberg | i can make that cache for 3600 if we wanted. | 20:38 |
| morganfainberg | or even more. | 20:38 |
| ayoung | but it is in the token backend, so you need a separate cache value for it versus tokens | 20:39 |
| morganfainberg | unfortunately there isn't an "unlimited" option i have seen (though i'll look) | 20:39 |
| ayoung | maybe we should split that out into its own backend | 20:39 |
| ayoung | yep | 20:39 |
| ayoung | we should definitely do that | 20:39 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: i've been leaning towards that for a while | 20:39 |
| stevemar | morganfainbreg: i'm having trouble finding a reason to -1 your cache impl | 20:39 |
| ayoung | stevemar, I've just given a few | 20:39 |
| ttx | psedlak: sure! | 20:39 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: ^ | 20:39 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: ohhh, let me read | 20:40 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: if we do that, token delete could actually remove tokens and flush wont be important | 20:40 |
| ayoung | stevemar, mostly about default times | 20:40 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, nah, we still need flush | 20:40 |
| ayoung | that is for expired tokens | 20:40 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: oh right. duh | 20:40 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: damn, can we stop storing tokens yet? :P | 20:40 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I'm going to BP splitting tokens and revocations | 20:41 |
| stevemar | morganfainberg: one day | 20:41 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, we need to | 20:41 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: sounds good, i think i have about ½ that code laying around if you want to assign it to me | 20:41 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, but first we need delegation and token binding consumed throughout openstack | 20:41 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: hehe | 20:41 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, lets write the BP first | 20:41 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: nod. | 20:41 |
| ayoung | writing it now... | 20:42 |
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| morganfainberg | sounds good. | 20:42 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: i've run that caching review through a couple iterations. | 20:42 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: please be hyper critical, caching gone wrong is bad news. | 20:42 |
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| stevemar | i'm only finding nits | 20:43 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/revocation-backend | 20:45 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, can I also write up replace KVS and Memcached Backends with the thing you are using...what is it called, Mule or something | 20:46 |
| morganfainberg | dogpile. | 20:47 |
| morganfainberg | sure thing. | 20:47 |
| ayoung | Was that a request? OK DOGPILE on the RABBIT! DOGPILE on the RABBIT! | 20:47 |
| ayoung | Oh, that is the name | 20:47 |
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| morganfainberg | dogpile.cache | 20:48 |
| morganfainberg | yeah :) | 20:48 |
| morganfainberg | sorry | 20:48 |
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| ayoung | http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0039448/quotes | 20:48 |
| morganfainberg | ahhh yes! | 20:49 |
| ayoung | Anyway..I'll write that up, too | 20:49 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: sounds good. I think that seems like a reasonable pattern to follow. | 20:50 |
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| fabio__ | stevemar, I did the changes, got a new patch, please have a look | 20:51 |
| stevemar | fabio__ will do | 20:51 |
| fabio__ | stevemar, thanks | 20:52 |
| stevemar | fabio__ p.s. it's looking good | 20:52 |
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| insanidade | inside devstack, where should I find quantum code ? | 20:52 |
| fabio__ | stevemar, I was wondering to write some documentation on how to write extensions | 20:52 |
| insanidade | I mean, neutron code. | 20:52 |
| fabio__ | stevemar, a sort of "how to" and added to the distro, for future developers | 20:53 |
| stevemar | fabio__, yeah, i just saw that comment, i think the .rst file is a good starting point | 20:53 |
| stevemar | fabio__, well, there is also an 'example' extension | 20:53 |
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| stevemar | fabio__, ayoung had created one to outline how to do the sql migration stuff, we can put the template 'how-to' in there | 20:53 |
| fabio__ | stevemar, yes, we could add some sample routers, controllers core and backend to show a sort of extension template | 20:54 |
| ayoung | stevemar, fabio__ that would be sweet | 20:54 |
| * stevemar nods | 20:54 | |
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| ayoung | Like Maple Sugar Candy Sweet | 20:54 |
| fabio__ | ayoung, do I need a bp for that? | 20:54 |
| ayoung | mmmmm | 20:54 |
| stevemar | maybe just a bug | 20:54 |
| ayoung | fabio__, It can never hurt to have a BP and a bug. | 20:54 |
| ayoung | fabio__, usually, bug describes the problem, and BP the solution | 20:55 |
| fabio__ | stevemar and ayoung, I 'll do that | 20:55 |
| ayoung | fabio__, for example, the two things I was talking about BPing here already have bugs | 20:55 |
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| ayoung | one I reference in the BP, and the other...I marked won't fix a long time ago, so I'll have to dig out and mark as a wishlist itme | 20:56 |
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| stevemar | fabio__, i'll try and get something uploaded for the example core/routers/controller, you've already done a lot of the work for the config.rst :P | 20:56 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/dogpile-kvs-backends | 20:56 |
| stevemar | dogpile kvs, whaaaa | 20:56 |
| ayoung | grab it morganfainberg | 20:56 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: yep. | 20:56 |
| stevemar | freebie BP for fainberg | 20:57 |
| ayoung | stevemar, dogpile is a Key Value store abstraction already | 20:57 |
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| ayoung | if we do this right, it will make it easy to get KVS in memeory, shared between clustered Keystones, or persisted all using one backend impl | 20:57 |
| stevemar | ayoung: yeah, just had to read the blueprint, from the short url it looked suspicious | 20:57 |
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| stevemar | but if we're doing away with kvs backends ... | 20:57 |
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| stevemar | at least they'll be persistent for 2 releases? | 20:58 |
| ayoung | not doing away, using Dogpile to implement.... | 20:58 |
| morganfainberg | stevemar: what ayoung said. | 20:58 |
| stevemar | but they are all marked as deprecated | 20:58 |
| ayoung | stevemar, oh, yeah..proably. We might even leave them in there as a dogpile impl | 20:58 |
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| morganfainberg | likely, i'd do a new implementation and let the old kvs bitrot deprecate out. | 20:59 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, it might be as simple as having a common dogpile backend, and then the kvs backend is the dogpile backend, backed by memory... | 20:59 |
| morganfainberg | but i haven't thought about it yet | 20:59 |
| morganfainberg | beyond hey, good idea. | 20:59 |
| morganfainberg | ok i have a couple patches to once over in the next hour here. | 21:00 |
| morganfainberg | be back in a few. | 21:00 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, do you want to grab https://blueprints.launchpad.net/keystone/+spec/revocation-backend as well? | 21:00 |
| morganfainberg | oh yerah | 21:00 |
| morganfainberg | got it | 21:00 |
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| stevemar | ayoung, i get that, i just thought we were going in a direction to remove all kvs backends | 21:01 |
| stevemar | this sounds like we're making them better | 21:01 |
| ayoung | stevemar, well, I think that this is a better approach. It will mean that we allow in memory KVS, but we don't need explicit code for them. | 21:01 |
| ayoung | And, a user can start with, say memcached, and then move to cassandra. termie had looked into doing a cassandra backend last release, and was frustrated by the mess due to the token revocations. This provides a cleaner implementation. | 21:02 |
| ayoung | We will have to do the work for Cassandra once, but then we have it. | 21:03 |
| morganfainberg | we'll need to write a dogpile cassandra backend, but that in it's self is super easy. | 21:03 |
| ayoung | tokens, hell identity if someone really wants it. | 21:03 |
| morganfainberg | s/it's/its | 21:03 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, what backends are there now? | 21:04 |
| morganfainberg | memcache, redis, uhm… | 21:04 |
| morganfainberg | memory | 21:04 |
| morganfainberg | file backed (dbm) | 21:04 |
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| morganfainberg | it's simple, create an interface object with get/set/delete/get_multi/delete_multi | 21:04 |
| morganfainberg | and define arguments. | 21:04 |
| ayoung | http://dogpilecache.readthedocs.org/en/latest/api.html#module-dogpile.cache.backends.memory | 21:04 |
| morganfainberg | yep | 21:04 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: https://bitbucket.org/zzzeek/dogpile.cache/src/3785f3b46a2007155ecf82d2529f3cec21ee2b77/dogpile/cache/backends/memory.py?at=master | 21:05 |
| morganfainberg | if you want to see the implementation | 21:05 |
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| ayoung | Memcached, Redis, File, Proxy, Make, | 21:06 |
| ayoung | Mako | 21:06 |
| morganfainberg | proxy isn't a real backend. | 21:06 |
| morganfainberg | it's a wrapper for other backends. | 21:06 |
| ayoung | yep | 21:06 |
| morganfainberg | you can layer any number of proxies over a real backend. it's awesome | 21:07 |
| ayoung | I get that | 21:07 |
| ayoung | cache is a kind of proxy...so it is a proxy proxy | 21:07 |
| morganfainberg | hehe | 21:07 |
| ayoung | Bloody Vikings | 21:07 |
| morganfainberg | ugh, i hope i didn't destroy that VM. | 21:08 |
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| ayoung | Reminds me that I have two VMs in the oven | 21:08 |
| morganfainberg | hehe | 21:08 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, maybe you know this one. If I create a vm using kvm/qemu on my local machine, what do I need to do to transform and upload the .img file to glance? | 21:27 |
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| ayoung | "no clue" is a viable answer, as it is the one I would give | 21:28 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: i remember doing this once or twice, a long time ago, when i was getting familiar with OS | 21:29 |
| stevemar | ayoung: i know you eventually have to use glance image-create http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-compute/admin/content/adding-images.html | 21:29 |
| ayoung | is raw the same as stevemar yeah, I just want to avoid acalling that with an 8 GB file | 21:30 |
| ayoung | unless I know I have it right | 21:30 |
| stevemar | haha | 21:30 |
| stevemar | unfortunately, i don't know it well itself to know any shortcuts | 21:30 |
| stevemar | try doing it first with a cirros image? | 21:30 |
| stevemar | ayoung^ | 21:30 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: iirc you can use qemu-img to do some mogrification, but i haven't been doing that here. someone else here is the expert on that | 21:30 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: not sure if anything is actually needed from plain qemu/kvm img | 21:31 |
| ayoung | If only there were some public place where glance people hung out.... | 21:31 |
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| stevemar | ayoung: no glance experts at redhat? | 21:32 |
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| ayoung | stevemar, yeah, I can ask internal if I need to | 21:41 |
| ayoung | stevemar, but the one that I know of works in Ireland | 21:41 |
| ayoung | Its late there, and Friday night | 21:42 |
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| gyee | ayoung, https://review.openstack.org/#/c/33118/ | 21:49 |
| gyee | I think fabio incorporated your suggestion yesterday | 21:50 |
| bknudson | ayoung: no transform needed | 21:50 |
| bknudson | ayoung: you can upload it to glance, or host it on a local apache server and point glance at it. | 21:51 |
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| fabio__ | morganfainberg, ayoung, please review 33118 when you have some time. All the comments have been addressed (I hope :-)) | 21:54 |
| fabio__ | Jenkins is painfully slow today.... | 21:55 |
| morganfainberg | fabio__: sure thing! if I don't get to it durning the day, i'll get to it tonight when i get home. | 21:55 |
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| fabio__ | morganfainberg, thanks | 22:07 |
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| dolphm | ttx: fix stable/grizzly by pinning keyring<2.0 | 22:34 |
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| morganfainberg | dolphm: interestingly, looking at it (much) closer, it looks like direct set on a cached method properly honors expiration_time from the decorator (because of how it does cache get_or_create regeneration). | 23:02 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: for token system, is it sane to make the cache longer than the 60s default? (300?) or use the default token expiry time? | 23:47 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: or should it just default to None and pass through to the global default by default | 23:50 |
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| holms | there's no cloud-init package on debian wheezy X_X? | 23:56 |
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| bknudson | ImportError: No module named netaddr | 23:59 |
| bknudson | is keystone broken now? | 23:59 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: stable/grizzly? | 23:59 |
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