| holms | even if not stable.. it's importerror.. | 00:00 |
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| holms | should be a bug | 00:00 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: no, this is master | 00:00 |
| bknudson | morganfainberg: oops, I was wrong, it is stable/grizzly | 00:01 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: ugh. that was a stable/grizzly-ism until just now as far a i knew | 00:01 |
| morganfainberg | ok | 00:01 |
| morganfainberg | phews | 00:01 |
| morganfainberg | yeah there is a bug, 2 bugs in-fact causing issues | 00:01 |
| morganfainberg | a devstack keyring issue (i think dolph and ttx were working on it earlier today) | 00:01 |
| holms | morganfainberg: if you able to reproduce it over fresh installation maybe you can report it :) | 00:01 |
| morganfainberg | the netaddr bug is because of the vendor test (master keystoneclient) | 00:02 |
| morganfainberg | bknudson: https://bugs.launchpad.net/keystone/+bug/1212939 | 00:02 |
| uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1212939 in keystone "periodic-keystone-python27-stable-grizzly fails due to"No module named netaddr" " [Undecided,In progress] | 00:02 |
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| morganfainberg | bknudson: i'll need to go hunting through backlog to know what the deal with the keyring was. | 00:03 |
| morganfainberg | erm scrollback | 00:03 |
| holms | i noticed that devstack got fresh bugs like every week.. | 00:04 |
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| holms | can somebody please confirm me, is cloud-init package should be or should not be on debian mirrors..? | 00:14 |
| holms | just wanna know.. | 00:14 |
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| morganfainberg | holms: does debian have something similar to ubuntu's cloud archive? i haven't looked at debian, but if it does, that would be my first place to look | 00:15 |
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| holms | k | 00:15 |
| holms | http://julien.danjou.info/blog/2013/cloud-init-utils-debian | 00:15 |
| holms | \I've worked on getting these into Debian, and you can now find these 3 packages adapted and uploaded to Debian sid.\ | 00:15 |
| holms | shouldn't trust any blogs.. probably :D | 00:15 |
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| morganfainberg | lol | 00:15 |
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| clarkb | that is jd__'s blog | 00:17 |
| clarkb | I think he is near to UTC time so probably not around right now but would be a good person to ask | 00:17 |
| holms | just wondering what is "debian sid" | 00:18 |
| holms | is it default one.. or some specific i should know. | 00:19 |
| holms | mm "cloud-init on the other hand is directly available in sid." | 00:20 |
| holms | unstable.. that's why | 00:20 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, tokens are immutable. So long as we invalidate the cache when one is deleted, a long cache time should be acceptable | 00:29 |
| ayoung | we need to make sure we get the logic right, though, as an expired token will not be returned on a get_token call. | 00:30 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: sounds good. i set the cache to 300 default to start. we can revisit that if we want to make it longer. i also added revocation as it's own cache time defaulting to 3600 (again invalidated on revocation) | 00:30 |
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| ayoung | We might actually want to put logic in place on validate/authenticate to deal with expired tokens coming out of the cache | 00:30 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: i thought validate already did that? | 00:31 |
| morganfainberg | *checks* | 00:31 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, double check. I am not certain that it does. It might | 00:31 |
| ayoung | I know the sql driver will not return expired tokens | 00:31 |
| ayoung | but we might check in the controller or manager for the other backends | 00:31 |
| morganfainberg | yeah looking now. | 00:32 |
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| morganfainberg | oh hrm, i guess caching results of validate_token is bad then. | 00:33 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: you are right, validate doesn't check expiration time(s) | 00:34 |
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| ayoung | we should do that | 00:34 |
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| ayoung | we depend on the backend, but that is not good enough | 00:34 |
| morganfainberg | the provider needs to be able to handle that | 00:35 |
| morganfainberg | i'll put this on the provider manager, so it gets caught at any backend (driver, provider, etc) even if it the specific implementation doesn't do it. | 00:35 |
| morganfainberg | and, it means i should yank the validate/check v3 token caching off there as well. | 00:36 |
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| holms | ok now i understand why rackspace doesn't have debian wheezy in their proposed iamges. | 00:37 |
| holms | images* | 00:37 |
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| clarkb | my irc client is running on a wheezy rackspace vm | 00:38 |
| holms | but you upgraded from squeeze with dist-upgrade? | 00:38 |
| clarkb | no | 00:38 |
| holms | hmz | 00:38 |
| holms | cloud-init only available in backports for now | 00:39 |
| holms | got this situation.. http://i.imgur.com/yc5U6CW.png | 00:39 |
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| clarkb | oh rackspace doesn't use cloud init | 00:39 |
| holms | what do they use? | 00:39 |
| holms | just reading.. this http://docs.openstack.org/trunk/openstack-image/content/ch_openstack_images.html | 00:40 |
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| holms | scary way to go http://dachary.org/?p=1379 | 00:44 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, will there only be caching at the driver level, or will manager calls be cached as well? | 01:03 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: caching only exists at the manager level | 01:03 |
| morganfainberg | so it doesn't matter what driver you use. | 01:04 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: it saves a lot of headache in development for implementing a driver, though there is some extra cross-chatter sometimes needed to do invalidations. | 01:05 |
| morganfainberg | but for the most part, it's just cleaner to avoid caching too far down. | 01:05 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that is fine, I think. The places where it is going to be an issue are places where the data can change out from under us. Expiriations and user invalidations are two of them | 01:06 |
| ayoung | I would suspect that get_user should be cached for a very short time | 01:06 |
| ayoung | as LDAP can and will change on the server | 01:06 |
| ayoung | policy, catalog should be good to go | 01:06 |
| ayoung | assignments, so long as they are in sql, also OK | 01:07 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: yes, thats why we're doing short caches as a default (60s?) | 01:07 |
| morganfainberg | yeah. | 01:07 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I think that long caches for all but users are safe, now that I have thought a bout it | 01:07 |
| morganfainberg | well, idenity will have a cache_time config knob, as discussed before | 01:08 |
| ayoung | we control the data for all of them | 01:08 |
| morganfainberg | same w/ assignment. | 01:08 |
| ayoung | yeah, I wouls say that long default of 10 minutes is fine, so long as identity has a short default of 1 minute | 01:08 |
| ayoung | and the token provider needs to check the expiry. We should probably remove that check from the driver, as it will just be duplicated | 01:09 |
| morganfainberg | hah, need to make up your mind :P i'm working a few patches deep, so i've been updating the base patch (whcih has the global default) | 01:09 |
| ayoung | Sorry for the churn | 01:09 |
| morganfainberg | i'm including that change as part of implementing the caching for tokens, since it isn't an issue, until you cache | 01:09 |
| morganfainberg | the provider checking expiry | 01:09 |
| ayoung | just trying to think it through. It was really the LDAP case that had me worried | 01:10 |
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| morganfainberg | totally, i understand. | 01:10 |
| morganfainberg | it's why i asked about read-only ldap and assignment | 01:10 |
| jrwren | what does "recheck no bug" mean? | 01:10 |
| ayoung | It was a good catch | 01:10 |
| ayoung | jrwren, it is a message to jenkins | 01:10 |
| ayoung | recheck means run the jenkis job /tests again. No bug means the is not an assigned bug for it | 01:11 |
| ayoung | you can do something like | 01:11 |
| ayoung | recheck bug 1234565 and it will report the to rechecks page that yet another job needs to be redone due to bug 1234565 | 01:11 |
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| jrwren | ok, i think i understand. | 01:12 |
| ayoung | jrwren, you will also see reverify, which is for an approved patch | 01:12 |
| jrwren | i'll just let the recheck happen then. | 01:13 |
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| morganfainberg | ayoung: typically speaking, how much "validate_token" should we be seeing? | 01:18 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, 0 | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | ok. so nothing to worry about caching that. | 01:18 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, well, only when a user passes in a token to get another token | 01:18 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, pki token should offload the normal cases | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | right. good. | 01:18 |
| ayoung | no, we still need to worry about it | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | hrm | 01:18 |
| morganfainberg | ok. | 01:19 |
| ayoung | if I submit a token to get another token, the original one needs to be validated | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | ah. | 01:19 |
| morganfainberg | so, then, the belongs_to arg for validate_token, | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | i don't see that used much. | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | (v2) | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | the issue is that makes it hard to guarantee cache invalidations | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | if the v2 token was validated with a "belongs_to" but is deleted with token_id only. | 01:21 |
| morganfainberg | similar concerns with the check_vX_token methods, since they don't actually return token data to the manager, hard to verify the token is valid. | 01:22 |
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| ayoung | morganfainberg, we can move that logic out of the driver | 01:28 |
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| ayoung | needs to happen for caching to be properly enabled for tokens. | 01:29 |
| morganfainberg | hrm. ok, this sounds like i am going to want a separate "move this functionality" patchset prior to caching impl. | 01:29 |
| morganfainberg | for tokens. | 01:29 |
| morganfainberg | just to make it easier to follow. | 01:29 |
| ayoung | oh yes | 01:30 |
| morganfainberg | yeah, just adding a "is_valid" method is far different. | 01:30 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, also, you and Henrynash need to compare notes, so that his filter in the backend approach doesn't conflict with your caching | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: i did leave some comments for him | 01:31 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: and i've been watching closely. it might make sense that filtered queries (list) don't get cached. | 01:32 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, I am starting to thing that caching is going to be high risk. How badly do you need this> | 01:32 |
| ayoung | and just assume that when I type > I really mean ? | 01:32 |
| morganfainberg | the idea was to attack the easier to cache/invalidate targets for H | 01:33 |
| morganfainberg | e.g. get_domain, get_project, token_revocation list | 01:33 |
| morganfainberg | and move into the more complex stuff across Icehouse. | 01:33 |
| morganfainberg | try and offload some of the more commonly requested items from hitting SQL/LDAP (not 100%) | 01:33 |
| morganfainberg | if we want to punt this to Icehouse, i don't have a problem. I think it's a general win for keystone to have caching, and should help with performance in the long-run | 01:34 |
| morganfainberg | this is why i am implementing it. | 01:34 |
| ayoung | morganfainberg, that is fine. Lets get just token_revocation list in the first patch | 01:34 |
| morganfainberg | no direct, personal need. | 01:34 |
| morganfainberg | ayoung: done. that is quick and easy to yank some stuff out for. then should i do the easy assignment stuff? or get tokens / validate /etc cleaned up? | 01:35 |
| ayoung | that right there is a big win | 01:35 |
| ayoung | token validate cleanup. | 01:35 |
| ayoung | caching is only going to be a big win for often hit queries. TO me that is revocation list and get_users | 01:36 |
| morganfainberg | ok, order then will be: token_revocation, token_validate/check_cleanup, token_validate/check cache, and if time, assignment (domain, project get) | 01:36 |
| ayoung | but get_users needs to play nice with henry's | 01:36 |
| morganfainberg | depending on where we are by the end of the first 3. | 01:36 |
| morganfainberg | yes, i was going to hold until we had hammered that out to figure out the best caching implementation. | 01:36 |
| ayoung | token stuff can wait | 01:37 |
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| morganfainberg | i wasn't sure i'd even get into identity driver in H. | 01:37 |
| ayoung | get_users is a real bottleneck for Horizon | 01:37 |
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| morganfainberg | hrm, well i'll hit henry up next week and figure out what we can do then. | 01:37 |
| ayoung | Sounds good. I'm heading to bed now | 01:38 |
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| ayoung | East coast and all | 01:38 |
| morganfainberg | have a good weekend man | 01:38 |
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| ayoung | you too | 01:38 |
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| benner | where gerrit messages "A change was merged to openstack/" was gone? | 13:34 |
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| clarkb | benner: we stopped reporting them to this channel to reduce noise | 13:40 |
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| ekarlso- | clarkb: isn't there a RSS feed one can use if wanted instead ? | 13:46 |
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| clarkb | maybe? I would need to double check that is still working properly | 13:49 |
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| jws7 | Anyone here come across an issue where delete commands don't get passed to nova-compute but all others do? I.e. Boot, etc. | 15:48 |
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| jws7 | I can issue reboot commands to VMs which work fine, but not delete? Anyone ever seen this issue? | 16:05 |
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| holms | how can I browse mailing list on web..? | 21:18 |
| morganfainberg | holms, which mailing list? openstack-dev? | 21:19 |
| holms | openstack-dev and openstack | 21:19 |
| holms | would be nice | 21:19 |
| morganfainberg | holms: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Mailing_Lists are here, go to the "archives" link | 21:19 |
| morganfainberg | for the one you want. | 21:19 |
| holms | thanks :) | 21:19 |
| morganfainberg | holms: sure thing | 21:19 |
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| holms | ech... no answer =( http://openstack.markmail.org/search/?q=roman%20gorodeckij#query:roman%20gorodeckij+page:1+mid:3vlepl6echuelggh+state:results | 21:29 |
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| openstackstatus | NOTICE: Zuul and nodepool are running again; rechecks have been issued (but double check your patch in case it was missed) | 22:40 |
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