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mordred | iccha: I know you're not on the rackspace glance team anymore - but if I get: "message" : "OverLimit Retry...", back when trying to upload an image to RAX, what limit might I be over? | 13:58 |
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mordred | also - for ANYONE who might be around from glance, just printing json to stdout on error is not friendly | 13:59 |
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sigmavirus24 | mordred: if you have a bug for printing json to stdout when there's an error, assign it to me (lp: icordasc) | 14:04 |
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mordred | sigmavirus24: I don't - although I can file one if you like | 14:19 |
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sigmavirus24 | mordred: that would be awesome | 14:19 |
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mordred | sigmavirus24: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1398838 | 14:23 |
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uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398838 in python-glanceclient "Errors should not print json" [Undecided,New] | 14:23 |
sigmavirus24 | Thanks mordred ! | 14:23 |
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iccha | mordred: does it say anything like storage full? | 15:28 |
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mordred | iccha: it does not | 15:30 |
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iccha | might be a repose limit then, nikhil: still works on the team and might be able to dig in more ^ | 15:33 |
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nikhil_k | iccha: o/ | 15:54 |
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nikhil_k | who's looking for me | 15:54 |
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mordred | nikhil_k: hey! | 16:59 |
mordred | nikhil_k: I'm trying to upload an image to your glance and it seems unhappy | 17:00 |
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mordred | nikhil_k: but I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if there is a problem | 17:00 |
mordred | since it's the first time I've uploaded something to rax glance | 17:00 |
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nikhil_k | mordred: are you using public cloud or private? | 18:23 |
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clarkb | nikhil_k: public | 18:24 |
nikhil_k | mordred: if public cloud then is that public endpoint? if so, uploading data to images via the public endpoint is not allowed | 18:24 |
mordred | nikhil_k: oh! | 18:24 |
mordred | nikhil_k: well, that's good to know | 18:24 |
nikhil_k | there is the "import" option | 18:24 |
mordred | nikhil_k: can I upload to swift and then give the swift thing? | 18:25 |
mordred | yeah | 18:25 |
mordred | so that's what I need to do then | 18:25 |
nikhil_k | mordred: clarkb : http://www.rackspace.com/knowledge_center/article/preparing-an-image-for-import-into-the-rackspace-opencloud | 18:25 |
mordred | fwiw, the error message I got would never tell me that in a million years | 18:25 |
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mordred | nikhil_k: right - that's what I'm following | 18:25 |
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nikhil_k | ah cool | 18:25 |
mordred | nikhil_k: but a) it uses pyrax, which I'm not going to do | 18:25 |
nikhil_k | the error might have been 413 vs. 403 ? | 18:25 |
mordred | nikhil_k: b) it doesn't say I _have_ to upload to swift, merely implies that it's a good idea | 18:25 |
clarkb | wow | 18:25 |
clarkb | why I don't even | 18:26 |
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mordred | nikhil_k: yes, it was 413 | 18:26 |
mordred | nikhil_k: but python-glanceclient just gave me a json blob back | 18:26 |
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nikhil_k | mordred: you will have to use swift endpoint | 18:26 |
mordred | and not an error message saying "uploading data is not allowed" | 18:26 |
mordred | nikhil_k: awesome! thanks. I can do that | 18:26 |
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mordred | the rest of this is mainly feedback from a user in the ways in which this was not discoverable | 18:26 |
nikhil_k | mordred: ah, that's a bug | 18:26 |
sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: there's a bug for it and I'll tackle it tomorrow or the day after | 18:27 |
nikhil_k | thanks for informing | 18:27 |
sigmavirus24 | mordred: made a report for us :) | 18:27 |
nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: awesome, thank you! | 18:27 |
mordred | nikhil_k: https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1398838 if you want to see the return | 18:27 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1398838 in python-glanceclient "Errors should not print json" [Undecided,New] | 18:27 |
sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: no worries | 18:27 |
clarkb | mordred: so we have to not use qemu-img, not use glanceclient, and basically rewrite all this code twice to support two clouds? | 18:27 |
mordred | clarkb: no | 18:27 |
mordred | we dont' have to write it twice | 18:28 |
mordred | and we can use glanceclient | 18:28 |
nikhil_k | sigmavirus24: this is assigned to you, fyi ( https://bugs.launchpad.net/python-glanceclient/+bug/1398838 ) | 18:28 |
mordred | you can totally use glanceclient with the swift import | 18:28 |
clarkb | mordred: oh ok | 18:28 |
sigmavirus24 | nikhil_k: I know it is ;) | 18:28 |
clarkb | then why doesn't glance just do this for us? | 18:28 |
mordred | clarkb: and we can do that at hp too - so it's probably jsut the thing we shoudl do | 18:28 |
mordred | clarkb: bonghits | 18:28 |
clarkb | I mean this is why keystone exists right? | 18:28 |
mordred | clarkb: shade will do this for us in about a day | 18:28 |
clarkb | "put images over here" | 18:28 |
clarkb | then client puts images over there | 18:28 |
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mordred | clarkb: shade.upload_image is going to == "upload to swift endpoint then register with glance" | 18:29 |
sigmavirus24 | clarkb: I heard you like moving images around, so I put an image mover inside your image mover so you could move images while you move images | 18:29 |
clarkb | mordred: sure, but it shouldn't have to do that | 18:29 |
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nikhil_k | clarkb: don't get your concern | 18:29 |
clarkb | mordred: I should use the image uploader client and it should just upload the damn image | 18:29 |
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nikhil_k | oh | 18:29 |
clarkb | nikhil_k: as a user of the cloud I should not need to know that. I am using a client that should know this | 18:30 |
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clarkb | nikhil_k: and it should just do it | 18:30 |
nikhil_k | Glance is not designed for uploads/data storage as such | 18:30 |
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clarkb | nikhil_k: no thats fine. glance doesn't need to take the upload. use swift | 18:30 |
clarkb | nikhil_k: but glanceclient via the catalog should know that images go into swift then are registered with glance | 18:30 |
mordred | nikhil_k: yah - but it has an image-create option - so I think clark is saying that python-glanceclient should use swift when given image-create as a thing | 18:30 |
mordred | yah | 18:30 |
clarkb | and as a user of the cloud I should never have to know that that is the mechanism | 18:30 |
mordred | ++ | 18:31 |
mordred | +1000 | 18:31 |
clarkb | because I don't care | 18:31 |
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clarkb | I just want my image that is on my laptop to be bootable in $cloud | 18:31 |
nikhil_k | it's not that easy problem to fix | 18:31 |
nikhil_k | this may be fine for private and small clouds | 18:31 |
nikhil_k | what if you've a corrupt and vulnerable image | 18:32 |
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nikhil_k | you can't just upload to public clouds | 18:32 |
nikhil_k | moreover, we've something called image sharing | 18:32 |
clarkb | nikhil_k: public clouds are allowing this today | 18:32 |
nikhil_k | which will spread the images like viruses | 18:32 |
clarkb | both rax and hpcloud have mechanisms for this | 18:32 |
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nikhil_k | that's a security issue for those clouds | 18:32 |
clarkb | my point is that I shouldn't need to kow what that mechanism is | 18:32 |
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clarkb | keystone should tell glanceclient and glanceclient should do it | 18:33 |
mordred | nikhil_k: but the process of "upload to swift and register with glance" is a find mechanism, right? | 18:33 |
mordred | s/find/fine/ | 18:33 |
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nikhil_k | mordred: there are 2 things in the "import" process | 18:33 |
clarkb | mordred: does glanceclient properly delete and unregister images if using swift? | 18:33 |
nikhil_k | first -> upload to "your/users" swift account | 18:33 |
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mordred | clarkb: I believe so | 18:33 |
mordred | nikhil_k: yes. | 18:33 |
nikhil_k | second -> import task then puts the image in "glance's admin container (single tenant swift)" (after verifying it) | 18:34 |
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nikhil_k | so, uploading to swift is insufficient as the user does not have rights to that container | 18:34 |
mordred | nikhil_k: what we're saying is that python-glanceclient should know how to do those two steps for me | 18:34 |
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mordred | nikhil_k: image-create should _actually_ do "upload to swift via python-swiftclient and then glance API import call" | 18:35 |
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nikhil_k | mordred: the next issue is supporting all the different store at the python client level | 18:35 |
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mordred | clarkb: or, it might be that we're still wanting python-*client to be end-user oriented, but they're really not | 18:35 |
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nikhil_k | and the storage drivers can be of any sort | 18:35 |
jokke_ | No ... what is does is create image & upload it to glance which takes care of it (if you have sufficient permissions to do so) ;) | 18:36 |
nikhil_k | well this feature is still a wip (supporting it for different stores and such) | 18:36 |
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nikhil_k | not all the core is upstream yet | 18:36 |
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nikhil_k | code* | 18:36 |
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clarkb | mordred: thats part of the problem. I think another issue here is that we tend to be very bad thinking about how people will use clouds | 18:36 |
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clarkb | mordred: it isn't just glance that has issues like this | 18:36 |
mordred | tell me about it | 18:37 |
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nikhil_k | fyi ... glance_stores logic is separated from glance , for helping new types of storage drivers to support and matain the features etc. | 18:37 |
clarkb | nikhil_k: sure I don't think that is related though | 18:37 |
mordred | yah - that makes perfect sense | 18:37 |
clarkb | nikhil_k: all I am saying is that the client which end users use should know how to deal with this for the user | 18:38 |
clarkb | nikhil_k: so that if I go from one cloud to another with different stores | 18:38 |
mordred | we're just talking about use experience as people without access to or knowledge of how the cloud is deployed | 18:38 |
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clarkb | I don't have to know what the store is to make an image I have boot | 18:38 |
mordred | ++ | 18:38 |
nikhil_k | so, may be when we refactor glance_store to accept user's credentials to upload the image in their container (which is not allowed atm) | 18:38 |
mordred | of course, this is WAY WORSE in nova | 18:38 |
mordred | wait | 18:38 |
nikhil_k | we can add this feature in glance-client | 18:38 |
mordred | why would that be needed | 18:38 |
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mordred | didn't the user already log in to the cloud? | 18:38 |
mordred | so shouldn't the keystone token already be in the glance API payload? | 18:39 |
nikhil_k | basically, we don't have a good way to upload image to backend stores atm via the client | 18:39 |
nikhil_k | if that made sense | 18:39 |
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nikhil_k | well, that's what I was saying about the kind of containers Glance's swift backend uses | 18:39 |
nikhil_k | there are 2 types | 18:39 |
nikhil_k | 1. admin container belonging to only glance | 18:39 |
mordred | right. | 18:39 |
nikhil_k | 2. user container | 18:39 |
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nikhil_k | Glance just knows how to upload to it's own container | 18:40 |
mordred | the user container should be accessible via the keystone token the user already has when talking to glance | 18:40 |
* morganfainberg sees some potentially scary comments happening in here... | 18:40 | |
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nikhil_k | we are working on refactor in glance_store to change that | 18:40 |
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mordred | I don't need _glance_ to know how to talk to swift | 18:40 |
morganfainberg | mordred, ++ | 18:40 |
mordred | I need glanceclient to know how to use swiftclient | 18:40 |
mordred | because I've already given glanceclient my creds | 18:40 |
morganfainberg | mordred, and thereby a token | 18:40 |
mordred | yes | 18:40 |
nikhil_k | oh ok, so you'r potentially taking overlap of services | 18:40 |
mordred | yes | 18:41 |
mordred | VERY SPECIFICALLY | 18:41 |
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mordred | because OpensTack is One Cloud | 18:41 |
nikhil_k | that's the issue with custom backend storage drivers | 18:41 |
* mordred shoudl not have to care about that as a consumer | 18:41 | |
nikhil_k | you need a good way for all kind of storage drivers to support this | 18:41 |
morganfainberg | nikhil_k, please, please, please, please do not have glance store take the user's credentials. | 18:41 |
morganfainberg | nikhil_k, if you mean username/password | 18:41 |
nikhil_k | morganfainberg: no, just token | 18:42 |
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morganfainberg | nikhil_k, *phew* | 18:42 |
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nikhil_k | :) | 18:42 |
morganfainberg | nikhil_k, sorry saw some scary commented in there.... you know... | 18:42 |
mordred | the problem is easy if the backend storage drive is swift and if the swift install participates in the shared keystone | 18:42 |
nikhil_k | morganfainberg: are we going to have way to re-auth a user using service token (At some point) ? | 18:42 |
morganfainberg | nikhil_k, explain? | 18:42 |
mordred | the problem is harder if the backend storage driver a) needs auth and b) does not participate in keystone | 18:43 |
morganfainberg | nikhil_k, but we do have support for using the user's token *and* the service token provider policy.json is looking for it. | 18:43 |
nikhil_k | mordred: yeah, however the community won't accept this one off thing. feel free to propose it though :) | 18:43 |
mordred | but I'd actually say that the storage drive should figure out how to participate in keystone in that case, because otherwise it's not really an openstack cloud | 18:43 |
mordred | nikhil_k: :) | 18:43 |
nikhil_k | mordred: understand your pain... | 18:43 |
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morganfainberg | mordred, ++ | 18:43 |
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nikhil_k | morganfainberg: was thinking of a case when upload is still continuing and the token is about to expire | 18:44 |
morganfainberg | nikhil_k, there is work on that front. let me see if we can summon jamielennox | 18:44 |
nikhil_k | ah cool | 18:44 |
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morganfainberg | nikhil_k, i have some ideas for handling this in the policy language once we graduate policy.py as well - but it would be a stop-gap barring something better | 18:45 |
nikhil_k | mordred: heh, particularly why we kept all that as far away from glance as possible | 18:45 |
nikhil_k | :) | 18:45 |
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nikhil_k | morganfainberg: gotcha | 18:45 |
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morganfainberg | nikhil_k, notably, allow certain "authenticated" requests [ long running ] to use tokens past the TTL but not explicitly revoked | 18:45 |
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jokke_ | mordred: and that's exactly the reason why bringing the storage driver to the client is so bad idea | 18:45 |
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nikhil_k | morganfainberg: that sounds like a good idea | 18:46 |
morganfainberg | nikhil_k, very limited surface area, configured via policy.json. but that is very early stage thoughts | 18:46 |
morganfainberg | nikhil_k, so it might require some architectural changes to make ti "clean" without breaking anyone/exposing security issues | 18:47 |
mordred | jokke_: but what i'm saying is this | 18:47 |
morganfainberg | but let me finish getting policy.py graduated first before we dive into that topic | 18:47 |
mordred | jokke_: both glance and swift are openstack projects | 18:47 |
mordred | jokke_: so if glance registered a flag with keystone saying "image uploads should use swift+import" | 18:47 |
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mordred | jokke_: then the glance client should be able to very easily accomplish that in a sane way and the user would be in good shape | 18:48 |
mordred | jokke_: if that flag is NOT in the keystone catalog | 18:48 |
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mordred | then image-create should use the current image create workflow which uploads data directly to glance | 18:48 |
jokke_ | mordred: that makes absolutely sense | 18:48 |
mordred | having there be an optimized workflow if all of the components are openstack seems completely sane | 18:48 |
nikhil_k | morganfainberg: sure, definitely interested in providing our use cases if/when you get to that :) | 18:48 |
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morganfainberg | mordred, there is one catch - and that is if you don't want the user to need to know [rest api or glance thing] that stuff is really in swift. - mostly so glance only controls the data | 18:49 |
morganfainberg | mordred, slightly different use-case though. | 18:49 |
mordred | morganfainberg: right. in that case, you woud not register that flag with keystone as a deployer | 18:49 |
morganfainberg | ++ | 18:49 |
mordred | because that would be a case of opaque storage | 18:49 |
morganfainberg | yup | 18:49 |
morganfainberg | we're on the same page. | 18:49 |
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mordred | in this case, rackspace actually actively wants me to upload to swift and then import from glance | 18:50 |
mordred | but have no way of telling me this | 18:50 |
mordred | other than me reading a blog post | 18:50 |
nikhil_k | ok, great. if anyone has enough enthusiasm for a spec please feel free to open one | 18:50 |
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mordred | I may very well write a spec | 18:50 |
nikhil_k | can definitely support this | 18:50 |
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nikhil_k | cool, thanks mordred ! much appreciated | 18:50 |
SpamapS | nikhil_k: just catching up on backscroll. I'm a bit confused why the glance_store isn't just a proxy to the real store, and users don't just send data to the storage proxy. :-P | 18:50 |
nikhil_k | mordred: you need a core-reviewer on the spec though. so feel free to add my name | 18:51 |
mordred | nikhil_k: I shall! thanks for talking through it with me | 18:51 |
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nikhil_k | SpamapS: there's some driver specific logic in glance_store | 18:52 |
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nikhil_k | SpamapS: btw, this is a new thing. glance_store was created very recently | 18:52 |
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SpamapS | nikhil_k: yes, so why isn't there just a little light weight glance service that sits there and accepts image uploads from users and funnels them to wherever the driver wants them to go? | 18:52 |
nikhil_k | end of juno, so a lot can be done there | 18:52 |
nikhil_k | SpamapS: that's what glance is doing atm | 18:52 |
SpamapS | and thats bad because? | 18:53 |
nikhil_k | it acts as a proxy for storing image bits | 18:53 |
nikhil_k | it's not | 18:53 |
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nikhil_k | it's by design | 18:53 |
nikhil_k | SpamapS: oh you'r saying why it's bad to do image uploads.. gotcha | 18:53 |
SpamapS | so why is this discussion happening? | 18:53 |
nikhil_k | it is a bad option for public clouds | 18:53 |
SpamapS | Can you support that statement with data? | 18:54 |
nikhil_k | because someone could have a slow connection | 18:54 |
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nikhil_k | or someone cloud upload a vulnerable image | 18:54 |
SpamapS | that doesn't explain the problem with the proxy | 18:54 |
nikhil_k | you need a good way to upload authentic, bootable, sharable images | 18:55 |
SpamapS | proxies deal with slow connections all the time. | 18:55 |
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nikhil_k | glance does not | 18:55 |
SpamapS | and the proxy is just uploading it as you. What about that doesn't allow you to then be a trusted user who can authenticate and share images? | 18:55 |
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SpamapS | nikhil_k: ok, so the proxy needs some technical work to fix that bug. Is that really a reason to redesign the whole uploading process and make it 2x more complicated? | 18:55 |
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nikhil_k | SpamapS: to understand you right - when you say proxy you mean "import process" ? | 18:56 |
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SpamapS | No I mean a proxy that listens on a port, and accepts images from users when given a token, and writes them to whatever backend driver exists. | 18:57 |
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SpamapS | Nothing you've said helps me understand why that is "bad". | 18:58 |
nikhil_k | SpamapS: the problem is glance does not know how to deal with a extrememly slow connection | 18:58 |
nikhil_k | also, if you start uploading tons of images you can braing down glance | 18:58 |
SpamapS | nikhil_k: that is not a design problem. That is an implementation problem. | 18:58 |
SpamapS | If you start uploading tons of images you can bring down swift. | 18:59 |
nikhil_k | that's the point of the import process | 18:59 |
nikhil_k | a design change for "public glance" deployment | 18:59 |
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nikhil_k | SpamapS: glance is a proxy and swift is a storage backend | 18:59 |
nikhil_k | very different specializations you see | 18:59 |
nikhil_k | swift can better know how to deal with these issues | 18:59 |
nikhil_k | and glance does not | 19:00 |
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nikhil_k | there is more to it | 19:00 |
SpamapS | But this isn't a design problem. Swift works with proxies and somehow gets those images into its own backend. Why can't we just teach swift-proxy to talk to glance store backends. | 19:00 |
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nikhil_k | swift proxies are very swift specific | 19:01 |
nikhil_k | they know about the deployed swift architecture | 19:01 |
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nikhil_k | things like what the replication factor is, when and where to replicate, what's gone wrong, when to add more disks etc | 19:01 |
SpamapS | Sure, but they basically just accept big uploads and put them somewhere. | 19:02 |
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nikhil_k | yeah | 19:02 |
nikhil_k | the rate limiting logic as well as accepting slow connections is handled extrememly vigilantly there | 19:02 |
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nikhil_k | there are some patents on that as well | 19:03 |
SpamapS | lovely | 19:03 |
nikhil_k | so makes some of that specific logic proprietary | 19:03 |
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SpamapS | I still think you could make it a generic proxy. | 19:03 |
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nikhil_k | hmm, would be great to have it in Glance | 19:04 |
nikhil_k | just wondering if we can get some help on it. Because kilo is jam-packed with blueprints :/ | 19:04 |
SpamapS | Well I'm more just saying let users who don't want swift run a swift-proxy that accepts the uploads, but sends them wherever they really need to go. | 19:04 |
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nikhil_k | ah ok | 19:05 |
nikhil_k | SpamapS: sorry, I need to run ... | 19:05 |
SpamapS | Anyway, I understand what you're saying, and I think you understand what mordred and clarkb were saying.. that this needs to be automatically available in glanceclient and the Glance API spec, or it becomes a special snowflake. | 19:05 |
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nikhil_k | sg | 19:05 |
nikhil_k | SpamapS: thanks for the input.. would love to chat sometime again soon... | 19:07 |
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sdague | jgriffith: as I don't see thingee on - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/138832/ | 19:28 |
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sdague | dhellmann: so is oslo not following a deprecation policy on options? | 20:24 |
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dhellmann | sdague: options? | 20:37 |
sdague | https://github.com/openstack/oslo.messaging/commit/bcb3b23b8f6e7d01e38fdc031982558711bb7586 | 20:37 |
sdague | a config option was removed with no deprecation | 20:37 |
dhellmann | maybe sileht didn't realize that was used anywhere other than the unit tests of oslo.messaging | 20:38 |
sdague | so it doesn't matter if it's used anywhere | 20:38 |
sdague | option removal requires a deprecation cycle | 20:38 |
sdague | that's been pretty firm policy in openstack for a long time | 20:39 |
sdague | options moving out to libraries still have to follow that | 20:39 |
dhellmann | what would you like me to do right now? | 20:39 |
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sdague | so that should probably revert and cut another release as an "oops" | 20:39 |
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dhellmann | ok, sileht runs that library, so you should talk to him about doing that | 20:40 |
sdague | and then deprecate for removal in 1.6 | 20:40 |
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sdague | I'm talking to you as the PTL to set the standards for the program | 20:40 |
sdague | because having to chase every library author gets out of hand | 20:41 |
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dhellmann | I have a bunch of other things going on, so I'm telling you the right person who can deal with it right now | 20:41 |
sdague | sileht: ^^^ | 20:41 |
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sdague | dhellmann: we also need to figure out a way to prevent that in the future from a program level, because basically the current guaruntee we've told users is null and void if an oslo library rips out options | 20:44 |
dhellmann | this doesn't look like a production-level option, so I think they assumed it wasn't being used | 20:45 |
jgriffith | dhellmann: yeah, that's relatively fair.... but still | 20:45 |
dhellmann | I think the mistake in judgement is smaller than you think | 20:45 |
dhellmann | we do not, as a rule, guarantee that configuration options are part of the stable API for consuming applications, just for deployers | 20:45 |
jgriffith | sdague: dhellmann honestly though, what about gating lib updates? Or is that absolute crazy talk? | 20:45 |
dhellmann | jgriffith: we decided that would take too many test resources | 20:46 |
sdague | dhellmann: so that's a huge problem | 20:46 |
sdague | if that's the case we need to stop letting libraries use olso.config | 20:46 |
dhellmann | sdague: if the problem here is that some unit tests were setting a config option, then we need to provide an API to do that instead of having them set the option directly | 20:47 |
sdague | no, the problem is because of oslo.config these are exposed all the way to the consuming application | 20:47 |
dhellmann | I'm not saying this wasn't a mistake, just that it's not a world-ending situation | 20:47 |
sdague | so you have to provide deprecation, as a rule | 20:47 |
sdague | yeh, that's fine, in this instance. However I'm concerned about other instances. Because if it's not stuff that we happen to set during a grenade run, the code won't catch it | 20:48 |
sdague | and there are far too many config options to do that with | 20:48 |
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dhellmann | have there been cases where a production option was removed? | 20:49 |
sdague | I don't know | 20:49 |
sdague | because I never looked for it | 20:49 |
dhellmann | well, I believe the team knows not to do that, and I think they misjudged how this option was used. So until I hear otherwise from them, I'm going to give them the benefit of the doubt. | 20:50 |
sdague | ok | 20:50 |
dhellmann | jgriffith: if you guys need some sort of fixture to set up messaging using a fake driver, and the current API doesn't support that, please have your liaison bring that up in the next oslo meeting or start a ML thread or something | 20:51 |
sdague | but I don't buy the "it only applies to production options" | 20:51 |
sdague | because the whole point of the deprecation is to let peole know changes are coming, and them adapt to it | 20:51 |
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sdague | instead of breaking other projects in a release | 20:51 |
dhellmann | sdague: ok, we can disagree about that -- I'd like to not have any configuration options that aren't for production, so in practice it won't matter | 20:51 |
sdague | even if just their tests | 20:51 |
jgriffith | dhellmann: yeah, I think jungleboy is on that | 20:52 |
dhellmann | jgriffith: cool | 20:52 |
jgriffith | dhellmann: but that's not really the big thing to me right now TBH | 20:52 |
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dhellmann | sdague: things are going to change in the libraries, and that's going to break stuff. We decided, as a group, not to gate the libraries on all of the unit tests of all of the applications. So, we're going to have to learn to just deal with these things calmly and file bugs or provide patches or whatever. | 20:53 |
dhellmann | over time, we'll learn about what sorts of changes cause more trouble, and we'll provide fixtures or other APIs to deal with them | 20:53 |
sdague | dhellmann: sure | 20:53 |
sdague | but removing config options I still say has to have deprecation | 20:53 |
sdague | the nova unit test break was bad on nova | 20:54 |
sdague | that was a bad mock | 20:54 |
dhellmann | and normally I would agree, so I think we've circled back around | 20:54 |
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hemna_ | sdague, +1 | 21:10 |
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apevec | zzzeek, I got trace from alembic in https://review.openstack.org/137580 - and prime suspect is alembic 0.7.1 released today, has this been reported to you already? | 22:01 |
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zzzeek | apevec: alembic 0.7.1 in the past 30 mintues is breaking a test in neutron which alerted everyone to on monday, as well as proposed https://review.openstack.org/#/c/137989/ | 22:02 |
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zzzeek | err which *I* alerted everyone to on monday | 22:02 |
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apevec | zzzeek, nvm, adam_g pointed me to https://bugs.launchpad.net/neutron/+bug/1397796 | 22:02 |
uvirtbot | Launchpad bug 1397796 in neutron "alembic v. 0.7.1 will support "remove_fk" and others not expected by heal_script" [Undecided,In progress] | 22:02 |
apevec | we need that backported to juno | 22:02 |
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apevec | zzzeek, adam_g - oh it hasn't been merged to master yet! | 22:04 |
adam_g | apevec, yeah :| | 22:04 |
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