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| miguelgrinberg | notmyname: around for a quick question? | 00:44 |
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| notmyname | miguelgrinberg: yes | 00:45 |
| notmyname | hi! | 00:45 |
| miguelgrinberg | notmyname: hi, I was reading your last comment on the metadata review and have a question, due to my lack of knowledge of swift APIs | 00:45 |
| notmyname | sure | 00:46 |
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| miguelgrinberg | when you mention a "swift object URL", a GET request to that gives you the contents of that file directly, correct? | 00:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | so no JSON wrapper or anything else | 00:46 |
| notmyname | correct. the contents of the request body are equal to the contents you originally stored (md5sums [ie etags] match). | 00:46 |
| miguelgrinberg | and you are concerned about mixing resource+metadata because you have no place to put the metadata unless you make a wrapper | 00:47 |
| notmyname | no place except in the response body? | 00:47 |
| notmyname | s/except// | 00:48 |
| miguelgrinberg | right, if you have the blob of data in the response body, then I understand why you put metadata in the headers | 00:49 |
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| notmyname | one thing I didn't mention in gerrit is that since the data would need to be escaped, the stored checksums wouldn't be correct | 00:50 |
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| notmyname | (also note that the json examples should use " and not ', IIRC) | 00:50 |
| miguelgrinberg | based on my current understanding, just wanted to say that I would never recommend that swift returns something else in the body, I think returning the data is a good design | 00:50 |
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| miguelgrinberg | but I also think the headers is not the best place for metadata | 00:51 |
| notmyname | well, that's why I was suggesting multipart MIME docs. it still allows you to have both in the response body, but it separates the data so that it's not encapsulated or encoded and it still allows for efficient streaming | 00:51 |
| miguelgrinberg | is it important to return data and metadata in the same request/response cycle? | 00:51 |
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| miguelgrinberg | can we say that using different requests for each is sufficient? | 00:53 |
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| notmyname | that would require conditional requests from the client and that they are implemented on the server (swift already supports conditional requests, but it does make extra work for the client) | 00:54 |
| notmyname | and you wouldn't be guaranteed a response | 00:54 |
| notmyname | ie you'd have to have some piece of state carried around to ensure that the 2nd request is returning content that is associated with the 21st request | 00:55 |
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| miguelgrinberg | so this is to avoid race conditions, where the data changes in between requests? | 00:56 |
| miguelgrinberg | why can't you just request data and metadata in successive requests? | 00:57 |
| notmyname | no, I don't think you can avoid the race. only catch it | 00:57 |
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| notmyname | because something might have happened between your requests (a delete, a failure, etc) | 00:57 |
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| miguelgrinberg | right, but why is that a problem? Is there a specific use case that requires data and metadata to be returned together atomically, or can we relax that? | 00:59 |
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| notmyname | good question. let me think | 01:00 |
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| notmyname | miguelgrinberg: ok | 01:06 |
| notmyname | I don't think it's possible for all metadata. (eg content-length, content-type, etag, date, and other metadata will be in the response) | 01:06 |
| miguelgrinberg | notmyname: when I say metadata I really mean custom metadata | 01:07 |
| miguelgrinberg | etags and content types need to be in the headers | 01:07 |
| notmyname | for other non-standard or user settable pieces of metadata, it's possible (all the stuff today saved as x-object-meta-<key>: <value>) | 01:07 |
| miguelgrinberg | yes, those are the bits I was mostly concerned with | 01:07 |
| miguelgrinberg | I wrote a response that tries to address your concerns | 01:07 |
| notmyname | that's not entirely dissimilar from a metadata indexing service | 01:07 |
| notmyname | however, I want to ask you a question about it | 01:07 |
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| miguelgrinberg | sure | 01:08 |
| notmyname | I've been around swift for a while and seen a lot of different use cases. obviously not all, of course. what is the particular problem you're trying to solve? what can you not do today that you can do if this guideline is implemented? | 01:08 |
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| miguelgrinberg | it's just a matter of consistency, just try to direct all the APIs to converge on their design choices | 01:09 |
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| notmyname | and other projects today are currently using the "json in a response body" method? | 01:10 |
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| miguelgrinberg | yes, that is pretty much the style for all other APIs. The Swift case is particular, because you return data that already has a strong idea of its own representation. | 01:11 |
| miguelgrinberg | other APIs do not have that | 01:11 |
| notmyname | to the first point on your response, I'm not saying it's not possible to put unicode snowman into a header or on a url path. I'm asking that you include some examples that aren't 7-but ascii | 01:11 |
| miguelgrinberg | so JSON is an ideal representation for those | 01:11 |
| notmyname | *7-bit | 01:11 |
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| miguelgrinberg | I could, but I honestly feel it is unrelated to metadata, it affects all requests and responses that have JSON bodies | 01:13 |
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| miguelgrinberg | not to say having a guideline on that is a bad idea, that would be something I would support as its own guideline | 01:13 |
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| notmyname | miguelgrinberg: what about just having an ascii example and a unicode snowman example in every guideline? that way you know it's covered and can show what it looks like in harder circumstances | 01:17 |
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| notmyname | miguelgrinberg: back to the earlier thread... | 01:18 |
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| notmyname | miguelgrinberg: I would love for APIs to be as similar as possible. I'm not trying to shoot down stuff because it's different. but I'd love to not have guidelines that are near impossible to implement in Swift | 01:19 |
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| notmyname | miguelgrinberg: I've got to run. I'll be back online in about 14 hours | 01:22 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, know much about how trove is configured in devstack? | 22:20 |
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| dtroyer | stevemar: not at all. I know it is there, and I know we'll be asking them to move to an external plugin sometime maybe after Kilo release | 22:21 |
| stevemar | dtroyer, bah, i enabled the services, and everything spun up, but when i tried `trove list` it says the database service isn't in the catalog, and there is no database severice created, at all | 22:22 |
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| dtroyer | hmmm…I'll enable it in my next default install run and see what I can find | 22:28 |
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| stevemar | dtroyer, that'd be cool... i just added 'tr-api,tr-cond,tr-tmgr' to my ENABLED_SERVICES, nothing else special... didn't realize that glance was a requirement, that was fun | 22:34 |
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| holms | anybody able to install openstack juno? | 23:01 |
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| holms | http://pastebin.com/ZUuNihgs in devstack there seems to be some qcow image can't be downloaded | 23:02 |
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| clarkb | holms: https://fedorapeople.org/groups/heat/prebuilt-jeos-images/ that file does appear to be missing | 23:05 |
| clarkb | likely need a change to devstack to use a different image | 23:06 |
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| holms | clarkb: i'm just curious is juno stable enough to use it with devstack :) | 23:06 |
| holms | because now i need to patch something in here, which will take 4 day to get code review and etc.. | 23:06 |
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| clarkb | yes juno should work fine otherwise | 23:07 |
| clarkb | at least it is periodically tested and we upgrade from juno to master(kilo) on every change | 23:07 |
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| holms | clarkb: i'm also curious do you use devstack when you developing openstack, because stack.sh breaks on all 5 vm's with ubuntu 14.04.. in DO, in AWS, in vagrant, in my two other laptops | 23:13 |
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| clarkb | I mean I manage the jenkins slaves that run devstack many thousands of times per day | 23:13 |
| clarkb | so when it breaks there I often debug it | 23:13 |
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| clarkb | digitial ocean is containers right? devstack won't quite work there | 23:14 |
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| clarkb | vagrant + virtualbox or qemu should work fine and I think ec2 should work as well | 23:14 |
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| clarkb | I had a local kvm machine with devstack running in it at one time but haven't needed it in a while | 23:15 |
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| holms | clarkb: DO is using kvm | 23:31 |
| holms | i've got the same issue in virtualbox anyway | 23:31 |
| holms | that qcow2 is not found | 23:31 |
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| clarkb | holms: yes that is unrelated to where you run it | 23:31 |
| clarkb | holms: if you go to the fedora link the dir is empty. the file doesn't exist | 23:31 |
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| holms | and i'm just curious how this is not reported by anyone, seems to be it fails everytime on any vm | 23:31 |
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| holms | clarkb: so how do you load devstack then :) | 23:32 |
| holms | you hadn't had this kind problem yet? | 23:32 |
| clarkb | holms: we cache the images | 23:32 |
| clarkb | holms: its likely we are currently running off the cached image | 23:32 |
| clarkb | holms: as I said before it is likely that devstack needs an upate to use a new available image | 23:32 |
| holms | k | 23:33 |
| holms | and my solution would be..? :) | 23:33 |
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| clarkb | to change the image | 23:34 |
| clarkb | or stop downloading it entirely | 23:34 |
| dtroyer | holms: where is that image URL set? I can't find it in stable/juno devstack | 23:34 |
| holms | oh, great | 23:36 |
| holms | someone has own local.conf in here | 23:36 |
| holms | sorry for bother | 23:36 |
| dtroyer | np… | 23:36 |
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