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| daemontool | all, re: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/243348/ should new projects start directly integrating to https://github.com/openstack/python-openstackclient ? | 11:28 |
| daemontool | so no need anymore to create a dedicated repo for python-projectclient? | 11:29 |
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| jroll | daemontool: you still will want python-projectclient as a python interface, and that's also how osc hooks in | 12:23 |
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| mugsie | bit of a random question - why does devstack chown the entire of /opt/stack before it does anything? | 13:10 |
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| flip214 | Anyone for a look at https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255244/? | 14:18 |
| flip214 | +6, -4, so not that much to review | 14:18 |
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| EmilienM | jamespage: do you have any timeframe to test mitaka-1 in UCA? | 15:40 |
| EmilienM | zigo: any progress on getting packages in openstack? | 15:41 |
| EmilienM | RDO prepared mitaka-1 and our CI is almost passing (just one blocker, merged today or so) | 15:41 |
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| zigo | EmilienM: Zero progress, as I still didn't get any help from anyone on this, and that I don't know upstream infra. | 15:42 |
| zigo | :( | 15:42 |
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| zigo | EmilienM: I need to get an image with sbuild to actually build packages there. | 15:42 |
| zigo | EmilienM: But the good news is that I'm almost done with Mitaka b1. | 15:42 |
| EmilienM | zigo: I really wish I could use your work | 15:43 |
| EmilienM | and drop ubuntu jobs to use debian | 15:43 |
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| EmilienM | zigo: ping me the day we can do it | 15:45 |
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| zigo | EmilienM: There's an ongoing pressure within my company to have it happen, so I'm sure at some point, someone will help me to understand the upstream infar. | 15:46 |
| zigo | infra | 15:46 |
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| zigo | What's frustrating is that I just need like 1 hour of help to get me bootstrapped ... | 15:46 |
| EmilienM | zigo: ask gently on #openstack-infra or on the mailing list | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | I'll weight for you to have debian jobs | 15:47 |
| zigo | EmilienM: I did. | 15:47 |
| zigo | Multiple times. | 15:47 |
| zigo | EmilienM: Monthy said in Tokyo he would help. | 15:47 |
| zigo | But he didn't find the time to do it so far. | 15:47 |
| zigo | EmilienM: After I wrote in the list, nobody replied ... | 15:47 |
| EmilienM | zigo: show me the thread | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | I'm going to reply | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | have you asked to fungi ? | 15:49 |
| EmilienM | you should bring it on the openstack-infra agenda | 15:49 |
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| EmilienM | I'm pretty sure they're willing to help | 15:49 |
| gordc | +1 for debian (even though i don't use it) | 15:49 |
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| EmilienM | gordc: zigo is really doing a good job in having tested & recent packaging | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | gordc: and he covers all openstack projects | 15:50 |
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| EmilienM | including Gnocchi & Aodh \o/ | 15:50 |
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| gordc | EmilienM: yeah, that's why i'm for it. seems to be active and well managed | 15:50 |
| EmilienM | yup zigo++ | 15:51 |
| zigo | :) | 15:51 |
| zigo | Thanks guys for your support. | 15:51 |
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| zigo | Denis Egorenko will help, it seems. | 15:53 |
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| fungi | zigo: clarkb tried to explain to you (multiple times that i saw anyway) that you shouldn't need a custom image. just install sbuild in a job and start using it on one of our existing images | 15:55 |
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| zigo | fungi: And I tried to explain multiple times that I need a Debian image to run my CI on anyway. | 15:55 |
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| fungi | okay, so that's entirely different than a custom sbuild image, however why can't you use a chroot? | 15:56 |
| zigo | fungi: Plus the image will hold a local copy of packages and such, which we don't need on other cases. | 15:56 |
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| fungi | that's a premature optimization | 15:56 |
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| fungi | you don't need it before you start | 15:56 |
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| fungi | incremental implementation would allow you to work out actual issues while also determining if what you think you're optimizing there is really an issue at all | 15:57 |
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| zigo | fungi: Whatever happens, I need a new image with sbuild in it. To start with, I'd like to start with Debian, not anything else... | 15:57 |
| fungi | you can _install_ sbuild on the worker as part of the job | 15:58 |
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| fungi | if you'd *like* something other than what we have, you'll need to come up with the resources to implement it | 15:58 |
| zigo | fungi: Installing sbuild at run time is really a crazy idea, this involves boostraping an entire chroot! | 15:58 |
| fungi | as i understand, a very minimal chroot | 15:59 |
| fungi | we have ci jobs which build entire os images as a test | 15:59 |
| fungi | from scratch | 15:59 |
| zigo | fungi: 1/ I've been told I have unlimited resources to my disposal 2/ if infra veto it, then OVH is willing to sponsor it, so I'm fine working only on their cloud | 15:59 |
| zigo | fungi: I have a full plan on how things should go, it'd be nice if you just help me to implement the first baby step which I don't know how to do (ie: bootstrap a new image), instead of suggesting me some workarounds to do in a different way which doesn't fit my needs. :( | 16:00 |
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| fungi | zigo: so, as has been pointed out before, please stop saying you can't do anything at all on it until we provide an environment which is preferable to your prerequisites. we have a flexible environment in which you can prototype this _today_ even if the job ends up running a little long | 16:00 |
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| fungi | optimizations can come later | 16:01 |
| zigo | fungi: Whatever's the way, I don't know how to implement it anyway, and I need help. | 16:01 |
| zigo | So far, nobody provided help. | 16:01 |
| fungi | zigo: _those_ are the resources i'm saying you need to provide | 16:01 |
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| zigo | fungi: During the packaging session, I had Robert saying "oh, it's easy, let's not discuss, you'll read the doc" | 16:01 |
| zigo | Then I've read... | 16:01 |
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| zigo | And still don't understand. | 16:01 |
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| fungi | zigo: people who have time to learn how our system works and design the implementation | 16:01 |
| zigo | Back to square one. | 16:01 |
| fungi | it's a few months of dedicated, full time effort, most likely | 16:02 |
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| zigo | fungi: How about running a full Debian deployment? Do you also propose that I do that in an Ubuntu VM in a chroot? | 16:02 |
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| fungi | zigo: people interested in red hat have done the work necessary to run fedora images. the same can be done for debian | 16:03 |
| Daviey | zigo: What doc did you read? | 16:03 |
| fungi | there are quite a few people in the community with the knowledge required, but i expect the majority of them are already quite busy and don't have time to handhold someone through everything they need to learn | 16:03 |
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| zigo | Jenkins jobs: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/jenkins/jobs | 16:04 |
| zigo | Zuul config: https://git.openstack.org/cgit/openstack-infra/project-config/tree/zuul/layout.yaml | 16:04 |
| zigo | Docs http://docs.openstack.org/infra/manual/drivers.html#running-jobs-with-zuul | 16:04 |
| zigo | That's what I read so far. | 16:04 |
| Daviey | zigo: I thought the outcome of that session was that building debs would be done on a ubuntu vm, with a Debian sbuild chroot. Has that now changed? | 16:05 |
| zigo | fungi: Again, I don't need handhold, I just need someone to start a patch to make a new Debian image, and then I can take everything from there and design the rest. | 16:05 |
| zigo | Daviey: That's the outcome that everyone else wants but me, yes... | 16:05 |
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| Daviey | zigo: Then you are choosing a harder road, for no reason other than you are pushing. | 16:05 |
| zigo | That's really crazy to ask me to do stuff on Ubuntu, seriously ... | 16:05 |
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| zigo | I'm working on DEBIAN, not UBUNTU, is it so hard to understand? | 16:06 |
| Daviey | zigo: I understand entirely... but would you be equally pissed if it was a host os of RHEL and Debian guest? | 16:07 |
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| fungi | zigo: what i'm saying is that it's unlikely someone else will "do the work for you" (in this case "start a patch to make a new Debian image"). that's handholding | 16:07 |
| Daviey | The fact is.. it is a chroot you are dealing with.. with identical tooling | 16:07 |
| Daviey | you are making it artificially harder, for no good.. other than zealot opinions.. and being frustrated that people are not jumping over to help | 16:07 |
| zigo | Daviey: absolutely not. I'm not planning on just using sbuild on that image, but do many other stuff. | 16:07 |
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| fungi | i'm not against having a debian worker image and i don't think any of the rest of the infra team are either. it's simply that i don't have the time to do that work and i'm not in a position to volunteer other people to do it either | 16:08 |
| Daviey | zigo: Great.. but start with just sbuild and learn about the infra from there | 16:08 |
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| zigo | fungi: That's a OK answer, don't worry ! :) | 16:08 |
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| zigo | fungi: Monthy said he would help, and so far, didn't. | 16:09 |
| fungi | ideally, get a local development deployment of nodepool running, and learn about it and diskimage-builder (the image creation for nodepool will need to happen within diskimage-builder) | 16:09 |
| zigo | Hopefully, Denis Egorenko will. | 16:09 |
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| fungi | there may already be a base dib element for debian, in which case there's not likely a lot of additional dib-related effort involved other than testing and fine-tuning any ubuntu/centos/fedora assumptions in our ci-specific dib elements in the openstack-infra/project-config repo | 16:10 |
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| fungi | if you really feel that the lack of an available debian image is preventing you from being able to run schroot/sbuild | 16:11 |
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| zigo | fungi: The thing is, it's *not* only sbuild. It's also lintian, piuparts, adequate ... Then re-use that image to install a full deployment and run tempest on it. | 16:13 |
| zigo | fungi: Also, how about publishing the resulting artefacts? | 16:13 |
| zigo | I mean, when a package is built, and tested, and then gerrit says: "merge the patch", then the resulting package should be published somewhere. | 16:14 |
| zigo | fungi: Where is that somewhere? | 16:14 |
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| fungi | testing whether your packages will build with a given change and publishing packages built from the latest state of the packaging repos sound like two entirely separate projects | 16:33 |
| fungi | i would recommend working out one before trying to plan the other | 16:33 |
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| zigo | fungi: I have *everything* ready on my laptop / jenkins / packages. | 16:40 |
| zigo | fungi: I just need to implement it upstream. | 16:40 |
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| fungi | yep, and i'm saying implement one thing at a time | 16:40 |
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| zigo | fungi: And for me, the first step is build an sbuild image which publishes packages when they build fine. | 16:41 |
| zigo | Or am I missing something? | 16:41 |
| zigo | Just prooving that I can build with sbuild on top of Ubuntu is pretty much useless. | 16:41 |
| fungi | yeah, you're missing the distinction between testing and publication | 16:42 |
| fungi | testing whether your proposed changes still build a package (and possibly publishing the result of that for the benefit of further manual inspection) is different from publishing packages built from the state of the repository itself | 16:42 |
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| gordc | mriedem: do we need this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255296/ if we aren't capping liberty? | 16:43 |
| fungi | those would be different processes which happen at different times and publish to different places, though they might reuse some of teh same tooling of course | 16:43 |
| mriedem | gordc: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254919/ | 16:43 |
| mriedem | gordc: but that doesn't fix o.m 3.2.0 from breaking ceilometer stable/liberty | 16:43 |
| mriedem | gordc: i guess my question is, were the impacted options deprecated in the minimum version of oslo.messaging in liberty? | 16:44 |
| gordc | mriedem: possibly? wasn't aware of the change until recently. | 16:45 |
| gordc | mriedem: seems like related change was pretty recent: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/249508/ | 16:46 |
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| gordc | yeah, they were all done during mitaka to oslo.messaging. | 16:46 |
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| mriedem | so....there was no 6 month deprecation on these? | 16:49 |
| mriedem | dims_: ^ | 16:49 |
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| mriedem | gordc: oh they are still deprecated | 16:49 |
| mriedem | ceilometer on master was changed to use the new options | 16:49 |
| gordc | mriedem: yeah | 16:49 |
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| mriedem | still, wouldn't ceilometer on liberty with oslo.messaging 2.5.0 be broken? | 16:50 |
| gordc | mriedem: i was told it was breaking in liberty too? | 16:50 |
| mriedem | https://github.com/openstack/requirements/blob/stable/liberty/upper-constraints.txt#L195 | 16:50 |
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| mriedem | yeah it is | 16:50 |
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| dims_ | mriedem : are you talking about using CONF.xyz where xyz is a flag in a library that got deprecated? | 16:50 |
| gordc | by the oslo.messaging change? | 16:50 |
| mriedem | well, the unit tests in ceilometer in liberty are not using upper-constraints, so they pull in oslo.messaing 3.1.0 | 16:50 |
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| gordc | oslo.messaging related stuff for most part aren't tested by unit tests in ceilometer | 16:51 |
| gordc | mostly functional/integration | 16:52 |
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| gordc | i should add i have no idea if liberty ceilometer is broken, i was just told it was | 16:52 |
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| mriedem | gordc: the stable/liberty periodic job is busted for ceilometer | 16:52 |
| mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic-stable/periodic-ceilometer-python27-liberty/a79e0ad/console.html | 16:53 |
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| mriedem | http://logs.openstack.org/periodic-stable/periodic-ceilometer-python27-liberty/a79e0ad/console.html#_2015-12-09_11_05_37_946 | 16:53 |
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| gordc | ah right | 16:53 |
| mriedem | what's not clear to me, is how deprecating options in oslo.messaging broke ceilometer | 16:53 |
| mriedem | only moving or renaming or removing them would break ceilometer i'd think | 16:53 |
| mriedem | and moving/renaming/removing is a backward incompatible change | 16:53 |
| dims_ | mriedem : you cannot use CONF.xyz where xyz is a deprecated option | 16:53 |
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| dims_ | basic limitation in oslo.config for a long time | 16:54 |
| mriedem | dims_: i thought it just logged a warning? | 16:54 |
| mriedem | else what's the point in even deprecating? | 16:54 |
| dims_ | you can specify either in the config files, but you cannot refer to it | 16:54 |
| mriedem | the code you mean? | 16:54 |
| dims_ | CONF.xyz is usually used in the code/library where it is defined | 16:54 |
| mriedem | so CONF.x was renamed to CONF.y in oslo.messaging 3.1.0 | 16:55 |
| mriedem | ceilometer code still references CONF.x | 16:55 |
| dims_ | so when you change group you replace all references to CONF.new_group.xyz | 16:55 |
| mriedem | which is now gone | 16:55 |
| dims_ | no | 16:55 |
| mriedem | well, group moved i mean | 16:55 |
| dims_ | it was not CONF.x to CONF.y | 16:55 |
| mriedem | same as a rename right? | 16:55 |
| mriedem | CONF.x.z to CONF.y.z | 16:55 |
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| dims_ | again, this is a long time limitation of oslo.config | 16:56 |
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| dims_ | you can't use the old CONF.z when it is changed to CONF.abc.z in the library | 16:56 |
| dims_ | CONF.z in outside code | 16:56 |
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| mriedem | ok, yeah | 16:57 |
| mriedem | so back to https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255296/ | 16:57 |
| mriedem | assuming i have oslo.messaging 2.5.0 in liberty GA b/c that's what was in liberty upper-constraints | 16:57 |
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| mriedem | if i deploy that change, won't things reak? | 16:57 |
| mriedem | *break | 16:57 |
| gordc | yeah | 16:57 |
| gordc | i was just thinking that | 16:57 |
| dims_ | nope | 16:57 |
| mriedem | dims_: or not b/c of https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255296/1/ceilometer/agent/plugin_base.py ? | 16:57 |
| gordc | it will only work against latest oslo.messaging | 16:57 |
| dims_ | gordc : it will work on both | 16:58 |
| dims_ | see the code | 16:58 |
| mriedem | i think i'm following now | 16:58 |
| dims_ | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255296/1/ceilometer/agent/plugin_base.py,cm | 16:58 |
| gordc | hmm.. got it | 16:58 |
| mriedem | https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255296/1/ceilometer/agent/plugin_base.py is the shim | 16:58 |
| mriedem | so let me pull this down local, cap oslo.messaging at 2.5.0 and run unit tests and make sure that's happy | 16:58 |
| dims_ | mriedem thanks | 16:58 |
| dims_ | mriedem there was one more magic i have to show you | 16:59 |
| mriedem | note that anyone else besides ceilomter would be busted on the same thing | 16:59 |
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| dims_ | mriedem : see oslo.messaging/oslo_messaging/conffixture.py for the hoop i jump through for backward compat of set_override used in many projects | 17:00 |
| dims_ | back in a bit. gotta run to talk to the boss | 17:00 |
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| pumaranikar | Hi, I am trying devstack multinode installation. Is it ok to alter interface eth0 with new static address and gateway ip ? | 17:02 |
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| clarkb | if using neutron I believe that the expectation is someting like br-ex assumes the address and eth0 is l2 only? | 17:07 |
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| pumaranikar | clarkb, I need only single network. will be using OpenStack’s FlatDHCP network | 17:12 |
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| pumaranikar | Hence, I want to have all nodes in same physical ip range | 17:12 |
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| pumaranikar | Just wanted to check if it is fine to change static ip and gateway ip | 17:13 |
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| mriedem | gordc: that works | 17:38 |
| gordc | mriedem: cool. shall i unblock then? | 17:38 |
| mriedem | yeah, i +2d | 17:38 |
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