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| Thelo | Hi all, it may be a naive question but if I change something in os_brick, how can this change be taken into account when I run nova test cases ( tox )? | 09:38 |
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| flaper87 | harlowja: hey, yeah. Zaqar's usage of redis is a bit different | 11:44 |
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| flaper87 | ttx: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/254239/ Fausto +1'd | 12:25 |
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| skraynev | ttx: do we plan to use upper cap for requirements in liberty? | 12:54 |
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| ttx | skraynev: I don't think so | 13:13 |
| skraynev | ttx: why? | 13:14 |
| ttx | skraynev: long talk, lifeless ca elaborate, I'm in a meeting right now so can't talk much | 13:15 |
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| * ttx unearthes spec | 13:15 | |
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| skraynev | ttx: ok | 13:15 |
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| ttx | http://specs.openstack.org/openstack/openstack-specs/specs/requirements-management.html | 13:16 |
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| ttx | or maybe i don't understand what you mean by "upper cap" | 13:16 |
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| ttx | I'll be back from travel tomorrow around this hour, in case you still have questions | 13:17 |
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| skraynev | ttx: ok. | 13:21 |
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| skraynev | ttx: thank you ;) I will take a look on this link | 13:21 |
| skraynev | "upper cap", e.g. oslo.service > 1.2 , < 3.0 | 13:22 |
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| mordred | lifeless: try again? we told CIVS to send out a LOT of voting links yesterday | 13:26 |
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| andreykurilin | mriedem: hi! | 14:21 |
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| andreykurilin | mriedem: I found that there are 86 projects in OpenStack still have py26 classifiers in stable branches. The list of projects and branches can be found here - http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/082408.html | 14:24 |
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| jroll | andreykurilin: most of those are clients or libraries, which *were* tested on 2.6 | 14:26 |
| andreykurilin | jroll: should we remove such classifiers or not? | 14:27 |
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| jroll | andreykurilin: unless you can prove they were not tested on python 2.6, no | 14:27 |
| jroll | most of that list was tested on 2.6 | 14:27 |
| andreykurilin | jroll: but currently there is no py26 jobs and any backport can break py26 support | 14:27 |
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| jroll | I see maybe 5 server projects there | 14:28 |
| andreykurilin | *there are | 14:28 |
| jroll | yeah, I'm not sure what to do about that | 14:28 |
| * jroll leaves that one for mriedem | 14:28 | |
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| mriedem | i just got online and looking at the nova gate failures | 14:28 |
| mriedem | no coffee yet | 14:28 |
| mriedem | have mercy on me | 14:28 |
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| jroll | mriedem: how dare you sleep | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | fungi: so the py26 jobs are all gone now? | 14:29 |
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| mriedem | even for stable? | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | mridem: it looks like yes. all of them | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/246139/ | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | the example of novaclient's change | 14:30 |
| andreykurilin | stable/liberty | 14:30 |
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| mriedem | yeah, hmm | 14:31 |
| mriedem | well, i don't think removing the py26 classifier is correct, the projects on stable that were passing py26 jobs before still support py26 | 14:32 |
| mriedem | it's just that now we can regress them on py26 w/o a gating job | 14:32 |
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| andreykurilin | mriedem: can we return py26 jobs for stable branches? | 14:32 |
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| mriedem | i'd have to talk to fungi about that | 14:33 |
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| fungi | mriedem: andreykurilin: arguably those classifiers should have been corrected (removed) in master before kilo was released | 14:34 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem: btw, requirements for stable/liberty do not have upper limit, so all clients do not support py26 anymore | 14:34 |
| fungi | if the choice now is between correcting them or restoring python 2.6 testing, then we remove the classifiers (assuming someone feels that stronly about it) | 14:34 |
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| fungi | kilo and later stable branches were not intended to support python 2.6, and many projects dropped their python 2.6 testing for kilo | 14:35 |
| mriedem | the server projects dropped support in kilo, most of the clients/libs didn't though | 14:36 |
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| fungi | we made pretty clear and repeated public statements that juno was the last release with python 2.6 support, so those classifiers were simply a mistake | 14:37 |
| fungi | the clients/libs should have dropped python 2.6 support if they could guarantee they weren't being used by juno era servers (and the ones which had stable branches i kept making the argument that we should, but nobody was incented to do the cleanup in a branch-specific way and risk breaking something) | 14:38 |
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| mriedem | "if they could guarantee they weren't being used by juno era servers" is the sticky part | 14:38 |
| andreykurilin | :) | 14:38 |
| mriedem | there was overlap in g-r boundaries between juno and kilo wrt deps | 14:39 |
| mriedem | we've had to fix some of that over time just b/c of gate wedge issues | 14:39 |
| fungi | so the problem is, if we bring back python 2.6 testing, we're back to square one again. how do we ensure that things with python 2.6 testing aren't using things without python 2.6 testing? when _can_ we ever remove testing of any interpreter? | 14:39 |
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| fungi | so, we've ripped off the bandage at the point where we said we would: juno eol | 14:39 |
| mriedem | well if you think of this like what we've been saying about backward compat, you'd remove py26 in a client/lib, release a major version, and then when the last supported stable branch is using that as a minimum, you can drop the py26 testing on it | 14:40 |
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| fungi | official openstack software has ceased support for python 2.6, even in existing stable branches | 14:40 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem: +1 | 14:40 |
| fungi | and yes, if libraries didn't make major releases to signal that, then they should | 14:40 |
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| fungi | people running kilo and liberty were told that they didn't support python 2.6 | 14:41 |
| mriedem | we can't go back and bump minimum versions of libs in stable/kilo at this point | 14:41 |
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| fungi | so if they decided to deploy on 2.6-only systems anyway, then they get to keep both pieces | 14:42 |
| mriedem | the only major operator i know of doing that kind of thing was cern | 14:42 |
| andreykurilin | fungi: "even in existing stable branches" but there were py26 jobs and classifiers for a year(I'm talking about kilo) and, imo, we should not change it now, since it "stable" branches | 14:42 |
| mriedem | but i thought cern was using rhel software collections to get py27 on scientific linux 6 | 14:42 |
| fungi | andreykurilin: yes, the jobs were there in error. nobody wanted to go to the work to remove them until we could remove them everywhere, so that's what we did | 14:43 |
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| fungi | mriedem: yep, you just said python 2.7 | 14:43 |
| mriedem | fungi: i know, but i'd have to confirm that with cern, | 14:43 |
| fungi | cern is using python 2.7, so presumably not impacted | 14:43 |
| mriedem | i only remember that b/c of the discussion with them in the ops list to bump minimum required libvirt in nova | 14:43 |
| fungi | please extend whatever support and assistance you personally wish to extend them | 14:43 |
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| fungi | but everyone... _everyone_ was told that python 2.6 support ends at juno. kilo and later were advertised as lacking 2.6 support (even if maybe it might have sort of worked) | 14:44 |
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| mriedem | yeah i know, | 14:45 |
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| mriedem | and things were more wild west release wise in clients/libs back then | 14:45 |
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| mriedem | so not surprisingly this fell through | 14:45 |
| fungi | and juno is no longer supported. if people have juno deployments, 1. i hope they're working on upgrading, 2. they really shouldn't be updating their dependencies from pypi on juno because all sorts of things could break, not just because _we_ dropped 2.6 support after juno | 14:45 |
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| fungi | i don't really think it fell through. at juno release clients/libraries didn't have stable branches so we said we'd stop testing their master branches on 2.6 when juno branches of the servers reached eol. then the clients and libraries grew stable branches in response to other issues. i argued that libraries with stable/juno branches should drop python 2.6 testing on stable/kilo and later branches, but | 14:49 |
| fungi | because we hadn't branched all of them consistently nobody wanted to go to the effort to work out the interrelationships | 14:49 |
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| andreykurilin | fungi: imo, the topic is not about juno, the topic is more about "should we apply big changes in stable branches - drop features(py26 is a feature which was tested) or not?" | 14:50 |
| fungi | so the original plan was to drop 2.6 testing on all branches of clients and libraries (because they only had master branches), and once they gained stable branches that plan was still accurate (it was just more branches) but those additional branches were created _after_ the timeframe for python 2.6 removal was chosen | 14:51 |
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| fungi | andreykurilin: python 2.6 was tested IN ERROR on branches later than stable/juno. end of debate | 14:51 |
| andreykurilin | but it was:) | 14:52 |
| fungi | tested does not mean supported | 14:52 |
| fungi | and we very, very, very clearly said it was not supported | 14:52 |
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| mriedem | i doubt if all clients/libs have even actively dropped py26 support in mitaka and done a release, but that probably doesn't really matter here | 14:53 |
| mriedem | they should be | 14:53 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem, fungi: so we have agreement about removing all py26 classifiers from stable branches? | 14:53 |
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| mriedem | as an indication of it not being supported, i don't see an alternative | 14:54 |
| fungi | it seems like a lot of churn for minimal gain, but since i'm not a stable branch reviewer i don't feel strongly about trove classifiers on stable branches | 14:54 |
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| mriedem | chances are that anyone that's been on kilo for awhile is already using the last version of a client/lib in the kilo timeframe that they are going to pick up | 14:55 |
| mriedem | since we don't raise minimums | 14:55 |
| fungi | i've never found the trove classifiers on most projects to be especially accurate, not that it's a reason not to try to be better about keeping them correct | 14:55 |
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| bknudson | since we probably won't make any changes to stable keystoneclient I don't see any reason to drop 2.6 support in it | 14:56 |
| bknudson | the code hasn't changed, so it supports 2.6 as well as it did before | 14:56 |
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| mriedem | yeah, i kind of feel like bitrot toward kilo-eol and liberty-eol is the way to go | 14:58 |
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| mriedem | for py26 i mean | 14:58 |
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| andreykurilin | bknudson: but keystoneclient depends on several oslo libraries which can remove py26 support or some backports there can break it | 15:01 |
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| mriedem | anything that keystoneclient depends on in kilo should be capped | 15:02 |
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| mriedem | in g-r | 15:02 |
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| mriedem | if not and there is something that breaks it, then we'd cap it in g-r | 15:02 |
| mriedem | for kilo | 15:03 |
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| andreykurilin | mriedem: I suppose that most of libraries have already cap in g-r | 15:03 |
| mriedem | in kilo yes | 15:03 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem: but not in liberty | 15:03 |
| andreykurilin | got it | 15:03 |
| mriedem | no, but liberty is the first stable release to start using upper-constraints | 15:03 |
| mriedem | *because liberty | 15:03 |
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| mriedem | although that doesn't extend to unit tests right now so we have seen backward compat changes in master mitaka releases break stable/liberty server projects | 15:04 |
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| mriedem | and we've been blacklisting those versions and adding compat shims back into the libs on master | 15:04 |
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| mriedem | more of the backward compat effort is described in this spec https://review.openstack.org/#/c/226157/ | 15:05 |
| andreykurilin | mriedem: I have a list of requirements(most clients and several oslo libraries) for py26 there https://review.openstack.org/#/c/252407/1/requirements.txt | 15:06 |
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| andreykurilin | mridem: I can push a change to g-r now | 15:06 |
| mriedem | for which release? | 15:06 |
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| andreykurilin | mriedem: change to g-e for liberty | 15:07 |
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| andreykurilin | *g-r | 15:07 |
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| mriedem | andreykurilin: we aren't capping clients/libs in g-r stable/liberty | 15:07 |
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| andreykurilin | mriedem: why? | 15:07 |
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| andreykurilin | ok | 15:08 |
| andreykurilin | sorry | 15:08 |
| andreykurilin | will read a spec | 15:08 |
| mriedem | b/c capping things in g-r leads to the kinds of messes we have in the gate on stable/juno | 15:08 |
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| mriedem | where you cap a library and that ends up breaking dependencies for other things which are uncapped | 15:08 |
| mriedem | which blocks the gate | 15:08 |
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| mriedem | anyone on stable/liberty should not be on py26 | 15:09 |
| mriedem | the server projects don't support py26 in liberty | 15:09 |
| mriedem | and most likely a server project in liberty shouldn't be using clients from juno or kilo | 15:10 |
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| andreykurilin | mriedem: got it, thanks | 15:12 |
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| gordc | mriedem: i think we need this for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258149/ for https://review.openstack.org/#/c/255296/ | 16:03 |
| mriedem | yeah i saw | 16:04 |
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| mriedem | i'm not a devstack core though | 16:04 |
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| gordc | mriedem: oh. nm then. was going to ask you to vet it. | 16:04 |
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| mriedem | we can ping the peeps in a bit, fixing stable in other ways atm | 16:05 |
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| gordc | mriedem: kk. sounds good | 16:05 |
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| mriedem | sdague: now that you did the nova backport, can you look at this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258149/ - that's for a series to unblock ceilometer on stable/liberty | 16:09 |
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| sdague | looking | 16:09 |
| sdague | mriedem: huh | 16:10 |
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| sdague | mriedem: that doesn't make any sense | 16:11 |
| sdague | devstack doesn't do checkouts in the gate | 16:11 |
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| mriedem | gordc: is that devstack change for jobs that are driven by devstack plugins in ceilometer? | 16:11 |
| anteaya | everyone remembers gerrit goes down in about 45 minutes, yes? http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html | 16:12 |
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| gordc | mriedem: all telemetry projects use devstack plugins | 16:13 |
| gordc | https://bugs.launchpad.net/ceilometer/+bug/1526530 | 16:13 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1526530 in Ceilometer "stable/liberty integration tests failing" [Critical,In progress] | 16:13 |
| gordc | this is the job https://github.com/openstack-infra/project-config/blob/master/jenkins/jobs/ceilometer.yaml#L190-L257 | 16:13 |
| gordc | i'm open to patching project-config if we did it wrong. all i could pinpoint was that even though the log says it's using a stable branch. it's not. | 16:14 |
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| sdague | ok, let me think about this for a second | 16:16 |
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| sdague | I feel like in the gate devstack isn't supposed to actually checkout anything | 16:17 |
| gordc | sdague: thanks for the help. not sure if that's the right place. it was just the first place i found. | 16:17 |
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| sdague | zuul cloner should have set this up the way you want | 16:17 |
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| sdague | git_clone is supposed to be a noop in the gate | 16:18 |
| sdague | otherwise all the zuul magic doesn't work | 16:18 |
| gordc | i should mention that gnocchi is an independent release so it doesn't have the same stable/liberty|kilo branches | 16:18 |
| gordc | not sure if that matters | 16:18 |
| sdague | right, which makes everything massively complicated | 16:18 |
| sdague | however, that reference has to be correct in devstack gate before we ever get here | 16:19 |
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| sdague | so, honestly, I don't know how to make gnocchi fit into the gate given that it doesn't use our branch structure | 16:20 |
| sdague | however, doing it at the devstack level is definitely the wrong approach | 16:21 |
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| gordc | sdague: devstack-gate? or devstack plugin? based on my fix, gnocchi is getting checked out by something but not switching it to correct branch | 16:22 |
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| sdague | gordc: all the repos have to be setup by devstack-gate before we get here | 16:23 |
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| sdague | what is the on disk repo look like before devstack runs? | 16:23 |
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| sdague | http://logs.openstack.org/49/258149/1/check/gate-tempest-dsvm-full/9d0804e/logs/devstack-gate-setup-workspace-new.txt.gz | 16:24 |
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| gordc | sdague: kk, i'll take a look at that file. | 16:25 |
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| sdague | that's not for a run where this is enabled | 16:26 |
| sdague | however devstack-gate-setup-workspace.... | 16:26 |
| sdague | is the place to ensure the on disk repo is right | 16:26 |
| sdague | which we should be just referencing directly | 16:26 |
| sdague | it's how zuul manages to create the pipelines with dependent patches | 16:27 |
| sdague | if devstack messes with those references, it all goes to pot | 16:27 |
| gordc | sdague: it's trying to grab stable/liberty http://logs.openstack.org/96/255296/2/check/gate-ceilometer-dsvm-integration/5eca94e/logs/devstack-gate-setup-workspace-new.txt.gz#_2015-12-15_22_45_38_746 | 16:27 |
| gordc | which doesn't exist in gnocchi | 16:27 |
| gordc | so i guess it's just taking master | 16:27 |
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| sdague | right, so my recommendation, use standard branch names | 16:33 |
| sdague | otherwise you have to teach a huge amount of the test infrastructure about the special case | 16:34 |
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| njohnston | Hi all. I was wondering if anyone else is having issues running 'git review'? I get a 'Connection refused' when trying to telnet to review.openstack.org on port 29418. | 17:16 |
| clarkb | njohnston: see the topic | 17:17 |
| njohnston | Ah, apologies, my IRC client didn't show that to me. Thanks! | 17:18 |
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| anteaya | njohnston: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2015-December/081037.html | 17:22 |
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| jroll | mordred: random thought on the O naming - how many things do we think might blow up if we put unicode in the release/branch name? :) | 18:00 |
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| alkhod | Hi everyone. Is it correct that extras.d/ is not supported in devstack anymore? What is the correct way to use hooks in devstack deployment now? | 18:30 |
| clarkb | alkhod: you are supposed to use devstack plugins | 18:31 |
| clarkb | http://docs.openstack.org/developer/devstack/plugins.html | 18:31 |
| alkhod | clarkb: thanks for the info | 18:32 |
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| ZiLi0n | Hello everyone. I am checking openvswitch flow entries, and it looks like arp packets are being dropped. I see arp_spa=<IPaddres>. Is that filtering traffic? It looks like so... I see that iptables are not being called, but still packets are being dropped when my VM use another IP than the one assigned by Nova/Neutron during creation. How can that be disabled? so that I can assign whatever IP I want to my VM? | 19:00 |
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| dmsimard | chmouel: http://openstackreactions.enovance.com/ is down | 19:57 |
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| anteaya | tonyb: when you are about can you check http://eavesdrop.openstack.org/#OpenStack_Log_Working_Group_Meeting and the log of meeting-4? | 21:21 |
| anteaya | tonyb: it isn't feeling entiredly discoverable to me | 21:22 |
| anteaya | entirely | 21:22 |
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| mriedem | markmcclain: are you planning on joining the stable team meeting party? | 21:24 |
| mriedem | i moved the monday meeting to the opposite week of the neutron team meeting https://review.openstack.org/#/c/258646/ | 21:24 |
| markmcclain | mriedem: yes when I can | 21:25 |
| mriedem | although ihar is the only neutron person i think that pays attention to stable | 21:25 |
| markmcclain | mriedem: awesome | 21:25 |
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| markmcclain | mriedem: yeah ihar definitely seems to have more available cycles right nw | 21:26 |
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| tonyb | anteaya: It looks to me that rockyg has the wrong time in her calendar. Is that what you mean? | 21:29 |
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| anteaya | sure if that was what happened | 21:30 |
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| bknudson | I'm not sure if we're still doing the log working group or not. | 21:30 |
| anteaya | but the query about a meeting time met with a join me in another channel and then the meeting not taking place | 21:30 |
| bknudson | might have run its course already | 21:30 |
| anteaya | tonyb: but however you want to see it, mostly looking for an addional perspective | 21:30 |
| anteaya | bknudson: oh okay, so perhaps free up that space in the calendar? | 21:31 |
| anteaya | bknudson: and maybe an announcement to the mailing list? | 21:31 |
| bknudson | anteaya: y, but check with rockyg first. | 21:31 |
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| tonyb | So my read on that is rbradfor *cough* had arranged to meet rockyg for a chat but seperate to the meeting. | 21:33 |
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| tonyb | anteaya: if you'd like to follow up with rockyg cool, if not let me know and I'll ask her. | 21:33 |
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| anteaya | I can let you | 21:34 |
| anteaya | thanks tonyb | 21:34 |
| anteaya | tonyb: okay thanks, grateful for your additional perspective on that | 21:34 |
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| tonyb | anteaya: okay | 21:35 |
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| anteaya | thanks | 21:35 |
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| rbradfor | tonyb, reads back! | 21:49 |
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| rbradfor | tonyb, anteaya yeah I pinged the meeting-4 also, we need to sync up on the time, rockyg and I have been chatting in -operators | 21:50 |
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| anteaya | yeah so I'm glad the two of you connected and you are getting what you need | 21:57 |
| anteaya | my point is that that doesn't constitute having a public meeting | 21:57 |
| anteaya | so if you are going to have a public meeting by all means do so | 21:57 |
| anteaya | and if you aren't please free up the space | 21:58 |
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| sputnik13 | anyone know why https://bugs.launchpad.net/nova/+bug/1368661 is being fixed by removing .pyc files rather than setting PYTHONDONTWRITEBYTECODE=1 ? | 23:33 |
| openstack | Launchpad bug 1368661 in zaqar "Unit tests sometimes fail because of stale pyc files" [Medium,In progress] - Assigned to MD NADEEM (mail2nadeem92) | 23:33 |
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| sputnik13 | nevermind, found it http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2014-September/045873.html | 23:37 |
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