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| voelzmo | Hey, what is the usual pattern for having an HA-setup for DHCP servers with the subnets? Just putting more than 1 into each subnet? That seems like an odd solution as it leaks to the end-users... | 08:05 |
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| voelzmo | Looking at http://docs.openstack.org/ha-guide/networking-ha-dhcp.html that seems like the proposed solution, though | 08:06 |
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| stevemar | i have a licensing question, who should i ping? dhellmann? lifeless? | 15:38 |
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| dims | stevemar : what's the question? | 15:40 |
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| stevemar | dims: the main issue is here: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311827/ refer to keystone/common/ldap/ldappool.py | 15:41 |
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| stevemar | dims: in order to make keystone py3 compatiable, we have to make our LDAP code compatible... | 15:42 |
| stevemar | dims: python-ldap has a py3 port called pyldap. great! | 15:42 |
| stevemar | dims: we also use ldappool, which was designed to extend python-ldap, it does not have a py3 port. sadface | 15:42 |
| stevemar | dims: but ldappool is only a few hundred lines of code! we can pull it in-tree? maybe? legally? *shrugs* | 15:43 |
| ttx | bswartz: I can put you in touch | 15:43 |
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| stevemar | dims: it should also be noted that ldappool hasn't accepted a pull request in years :( | 15:43 |
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| dims | stevemar : "Version: MPL 1.1/GPL 2.0/LGPL 2.1"? https://github.com/mozilla-services/ldappool/blob/master/ldappool/__init__.py | 15:44 |
| stevemar | dims: i don't know what that means | 15:44 |
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| dims | is that the code you want to pull in-tree? | 15:45 |
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| dims | stevemar : ^ | 15:45 |
| stevemar | dims: yes | 15:45 |
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| stevemar | dims: I did so in this patch: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/311827/3/keystone/common/ldap/ldappool.py | 15:45 |
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| stevemar | with a few differences to make it py3 friendly | 15:45 |
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| dstanek | stevemar: py3! woot! | 15:46 |
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| stevemar | dstanek: crinkle got it to work last night :) | 15:47 |
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| stevemar | i am supposed to test it today | 15:47 |
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| dstanek | crinkle: nice work | 15:47 |
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| stevemar | dims: not much has happened in the project since 2012 :( | 15:48 |
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| dims | stevemar : MIT/Apache/BSD would have been a shoo-in. i'd recommend dropping an email to legal-discuss ML | 15:49 |
| clarkb | stevemar: iirc ASFs policy is that you can't pull LGPL/GPL code in tree (this doesn't necessarily have to be our policy but there are raisins for it). So I think the question becomes can you pull in MPL licensed code. | 15:49 |
| dims | clarkb : right | 15:50 |
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| stevemar | clarkb: dims i can definitely drop an email to the legal-discuss ML | 15:51 |
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| dims | stevemar : here's the link where we say stuff about BSD/MIT etc https://governance.openstack.org/reference/licensing.html | 15:51 |
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| clarkb | mozilla says it is fine to combine MPL 2.0 (note the number above is 1.1 but maybe it has a default newer version clause too?) with APL | 15:53 |
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| dims | clarkb : interesting reading old stuff :) https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/MPL/1.1/FAQ/ | 15:57 |
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| dims | they wanted to fill the spectrum between Apache License and LGPL/GPL... | 15:58 |
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| jamesmca_ | bswartz: I understand you had some issues with Project Navigator. | 16:24 |
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| jamesmca_ | bswartz: probably easiest steps would be to create a ticket here: https://bugs.launchpad.net/openstack-org/+bugs | 16:24 |
| jamesmca_ | bswartz: but I'd be happy to discuss with you here if you have questions. | 16:25 |
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| bswartz | jamesmca_: I just sent you an email | 16:29 |
| bswartz | jamesmca_: if you prefer to work with LP bugs I'll file bugs for the issues I know about | 16:30 |
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| bswartz | jamesmca_: but I wanted to find out if any of the yes/no values in the project navigator were in fact automatically updated based on governance tags, or if there's a manual step after the governance tag is approved | 16:31 |
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| bswartz | jamesmcarthur: ^ | 16:33 |
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| dims | sdague : can you please remove the -1 on this? https://review.openstack.org/#/c/280295/ | 16:53 |
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| sdague | dims: done | 16:54 |
| dims | thanks Sean | 16:54 |
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| mtreinish | dims: if you get a sec: https://review.openstack.org/#/c/312172/ | 17:00 |
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| openstackgerrit | Matthew Treinish proposed openstack/governance: Trim tc-approved-release tag to just base IaaS projects https://review.openstack.org/314691 | 17:32 |
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| openstackgerrit | Sean McGinnis proposed openstack/governance: Add stable:follows-policy tag to Cinder https://review.openstack.org/314692 | 17:36 |
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| lifeless | stevemar: hi | 18:41 |
| lifeless | cdent: also hi, we seem to be at different time zones :) | 18:41 |
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| stevemar | lifeless: ahoy | 18:41 |
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| cdent | lifeless: hi, my timezone-ness is fairly unpredictable, I'm not good at sticking to schedules (I'm in the UK) | 18:42 |
| lifeless | cdent: I'm in NZ :) | 18:42 |
| stevemar | lifeless: oh, i pinged you about license stuff | 18:42 |
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| lifeless | stevemar: did your licensing q get answerd ? | 18:42 |
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| stevemar | lifeless: nope :( | 18:42 |
| stevemar | lifeless: i posted here: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/2016-May/000404.html | 18:43 |
| lifeless | stevemar: I shall look, next couple of hours are family breakfast etc so will be a bit | 18:43 |
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| stevemar | lifeless: take your time, and thank you | 18:45 |
| openstackgerrit | Joel Coffman proposed openstack/openstack-specs: Add image signature verification specification https://review.openstack.org/314718 | 18:45 |
| cdent | lifeless, I'm going to go walkies for a bit, but if you want to talk gabbi etc later that would be great, i should be around for the next 5 hours or so. | 18:46 |
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| openstackgerrit | Joel Coffman proposed openstack/openstack-specs: Add image signature verification specification https://review.openstack.org/314718 | 18:47 |
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| nikhil | dims: stevemar : that's a good point. we've monitored to only allow GPL binaries but not the code itself. that's a bit of a iffy territory. | 18:58 |
| stevemar | nikhil: *shrugs*, i ain't no lawyer! | 18:59 |
| nikhil | stevemar: :) to be specific btopol had warned me about pulling in those ones | 19:00 |
| nikhil | topol: ^ | 19:00 |
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| topol | nikhil, stevemar, Always good to check with sdague and mordred on these types of things for the official rules. I recall it being a big no no | 19:04 |
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| nikhil | ack | 19:05 |
| topol | err rather Ijust avoid such landmines | 19:05 |
| stevemar | topol: i sent it off to the pros: http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/legal-discuss/2016-May/000404.html | 19:06 |
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| sdague | stevemar: have you chatted with the current maintainers? | 19:07 |
| topol | stevemar, well done sir! | 19:07 |
| sdague | I think that migrating it into openstack as a library if it's cool with the maintainers would be fine. | 19:08 |
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| sdague | LGPL license is fine | 19:08 |
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| mordred | yah. adopting as library == fine | 19:09 |
| mordred | LGPL == fine | 19:09 |
| clarkb | the question is can you copy pasta in tree | 19:09 |
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| mordred | yup. I think just keeping it an LGPL library is the simplest | 19:09 |
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| clarkb | and I think it basically ocme sdown to whether or not MPL 1.1 is compat with apache 2.0 | 19:09 |
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| clarkb | MPL 2.0 is, but hard to find info on older 1.1 license | 19:10 |
| sdague | clarkb: you could, but it would mean expressing license in keystone would be slightly more confusing, better as a library | 19:10 |
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| topol | mordred, sdage, thanks for the clarification... I guess I'm always scared the 1st L in LGPL gets lost :-) | 19:10 |
| clarkb | sdague: definitely | 19:10 |
| sdague | clarkb: except, it's tripple licensed | 19:10 |
| sdague | so you can use any of them | 19:10 |
| sdague | and LGPL 2.1 is fine | 19:10 |
| clarkb | sdague: right which is why I said it comes down to MPL for in tree | 19:11 |
| clarkb | LGPL in tree is not fine aiui | 19:11 |
| clarkb | it is fine as lib | 19:11 |
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| sdague | in tree or not in tree isn't really the issue | 19:11 |
| topol | clarkb, I think thats what i remember... | 19:11 |
| clarkb | I thought in tree kicks in the LGPL rules that are GPLy | 19:11 |
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| sdague | statically linked | 19:12 |
| sdague | which... isn't relevant here | 19:12 |
| stevemar | "Version: MPL 1.1/GPL 2.0/LGPL 2.1" | 19:12 |
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| stevemar | is the exact text | 19:12 |
| sdague | right, which is the standard mozilla triple licensing | 19:13 |
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| clarkb | whereas MPL 2.0 at least is totally fine with copy pasta + apache | 19:13 |
| clarkb | dunno about 1.1 | 19:13 |
| sdague | you get to chose which you want | 19:13 |
| topol | stevemar, clarkb, sdague, mordred Where's Lionel Hutz when we need him? | 19:13 |
| sdague | anyway, a dedicated library is probably simplest | 19:13 |
| clarkb | sdague: yes I know, I was thinking chosing mpl and copying in tree was path of least resistance | 19:13 |
| clarkb | chosing GPL and in tree is not an option aiui | 19:13 |
| clarkb | choosing LGPL as out of tree lib is fine | 19:14 |
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| stevemar | morgan: ^ | 19:14 |
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| morgan | clarkb: yep | 19:14 |
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| morgan | clarkb i am unconcered with out-of-tree, it was importing it into tree that made me say "nope can't do this" | 19:14 |
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| morgan | also .. i worry about mixing in-tree licenses with MPL/Apache2 for an openstack project. i'd totally support a fork/adopt/whatever of the project :) | 19:15 |
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| stevemar | morgan: i guess we just fork and release under a different name? | 19:25 |
| morgan | stevemar: i'll reach out to the guy and ask if we can adopt it? if not i'll fork/release | 19:25 |
| stevemar | morgan: be my guest | 19:26 |
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| stevemar | morgan: i asked via a github issue on ldappool | 19:26 |
| morgan | stevemar: i'll also look at changes you and crinkle made and incorporate it. | 19:26 |
| morgan | if we're forking. | 19:26 |
| stevemar | yeah, just a bunch of pep8 and py3 changes, small stuff | 19:27 |
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| stevemar | morgan: tarek@mozilla.com fwiw | 19:27 |
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| morgan | stevemar: thnx | 19:28 |
| stevemar | morgan: i'll bring the tests from ldappool in tree as well. so when we're ready to fork we have a clean copy to look at | 19:28 |
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| dstanek | morgan: stevemar: so we have to fork? | 19:31 |
| stevemar | dstanek: i think morgan is trying to reach out first | 19:31 |
| stevemar | i am OK with having it in-tree | 19:31 |
| stevemar | but morgan seems against that | 19:31 |
| morgan | stevemar: i am against it due to multiple licenses in tree | 19:32 |
| dstanek | what is ldappool doing that improves our performance? | 19:32 |
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| dstanek | morgan: i'd agree there. i don't understand the legal ramifications with doing that | 19:32 |
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| morgan | dstanek: and i want to just not even wade into those waters | 19:33 |
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| morgan | stevemar: email sent, you're cc'd i expect to hear tomorrow, the guy is in france. | 19:35 |
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| morgan | or the next day. i'll chat with the folks involved tomorroe or thursday and we can determine if a fork/rerelease is the right path if it's dead air. | 19:36 |
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| sdague | ttx / dhellmann - requirements change that would be nice to fix a nova bug - https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314595/ | 19:46 |
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| dhellmann | sdague : I see a ton of projects using paramiko. Are all of them ready for the API break? | 19:48 |
| dhellmann | sdague : http://paste.openstack.org/show/496618/ | 19:48 |
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| sdague | to the best of my knowledge the interface break around key generation interface changes doesn't impact them | 20:02 |
| sdague | but we can try to stack up their tests on top of the requirements change | 20:02 |
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| raildo | Run Neutron functional tests in Identity v3-only | 20:13 |
| raildo | Creates a new job that runs neutron functional tests in a | 20:13 |
| raildo | identity v3-only devstack, and adds this job to the neutron | 20:13 |
| raildo | pipeline. | 20:13 |
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| cdent | mordred: I agree with you on it being a unitary thing (or at least it should be), but that's not how people treat it | 20:17 |
| cdent | I want to do exactly what you said (checkout a branch of openstack). I can't. | 20:18 |
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| mordred | cdent: but you can! | 20:18 |
| mordred | cdent: you are aware of the openstack/openstack repo yeah? | 20:18 |
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| cdent | mordred: a) sadly no, somehow these things don't get spread around, b) once I have that repo what I have is a bunch of disconnected things that don''t really do anything. I can't 'make test' at the top level there can I? | 20:19 |
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| mordred | cdent: ah - no, you can't make test. but - openstack/openstack contains a series of commits that were all tested together due to magic inside of gerrit and how we do things with zuul | 20:20 |
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| cdent | and I certainly can't 'make install' | 20:20 |
| mordred | cdent: so you can be assured that any state you get from that repo is an actual tested collection of refs | 20:20 |
| mordred | cdent: I don't see any reason we couldn't make a script in openstack/openstack which runs devstack with repos pointed to itself (since devstack is also in openstack/openstack) | 20:21 |
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| cdent | mordred: I'm totally with you in spirit on this, I just think the reality is far from ideal. I keep being hassled by friends who are like "so, I can't seem to find the front door, explain openstack to me" | 20:22 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Remove sentence about version numbers https://review.openstack.org/312127 | 20:22 |
| mordred | cdent: totally | 20:22 |
| mordred | cdent: on this I cannot disagree | 20:22 |
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| * cdent thinks about 'make devstack' | 20:23 | |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Clarify language around summit to name mapping https://review.openstack.org/312128 | 20:23 |
| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Add naming poll info for P release https://review.openstack.org/310425 | 20:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Add naming poll info for Q release https://review.openstack.org/310426 | 20:23 |
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| openstackgerrit | Merged openstack/governance: Update Magnum Description and Mission https://review.openstack.org/311476 | 20:27 |
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| sdague | dhellmann: some additional data on https://review.openstack.org/#/c/314595/ added to the review | 21:05 |
| mriedem | thingee: no cp meeting today huh | 21:05 |
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| thingee | mriedem: you got that right http://lists.openstack.org/pipermail/openstack-dev/2016-May/094443.html | 21:06 |
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| mriedem | ah, got drowned out in other ML noise | 21:08 |
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| mriedem | i guess i need yet more mail filters for projects i don't care about | 21:09 |
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| thingee | mriedem: well, we care about you. | 23:11 |
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| mriedem | ? | 23:12 |
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| morgan | mriedem: the projects you don't care about (filters needed) :P | 23:15 |
| thingee | mriedem: your earlier comment of "I guess I need yet more mail filters for projects I don't care about" | 23:15 |
| mriedem | ah | 23:15 |
| mriedem | yes | 23:15 |
| thingee | mriedem: I think cdent has things taken care of for nova. he's signed up anyways https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/CrossProjectLiaisons#Cross-Project_Spec_Liaisons | 23:15 |
| mriedem | random-big-tent-project-ML-thread-tag-of-the-week bugs me | 23:15 |
| thingee | mriedem: we could just cc you on everything :) | 23:16 |
| mriedem | oh god | 23:16 |
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| dansmith | jaypipes: this looks beyond old, from 2013: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Governance/Proposed/APIManagement | 23:31 |
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| dansmith | jaypipes: delete in the name of wiki cleanup? | 23:31 |
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| thingee | dansmith: imagining this in the tune of rage against the machine. | 23:44 |
| dansmith | thingee: well, some ragy music of the decade I listen to, but yeah :) | 23:45 |
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