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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/designate: Import TLDs to Designate https://review.openstack.org/72017 | 00:24 |
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| openstackgerrit | A change was merged to stackforge/designate: Prevent Schema regex's from capturing input https://review.openstack.org/72354 | 01:30 |
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| kiall | Added some more agenda items for todays meeting: https://wiki.openstack.org/wiki/Meetings/Designate | 16:09 |
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| kiall | Quick reminder.. Meeting in 20 mins.. | 16:41 |
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| kiall | Meet in 1 min - Looks like the Neutron meet is going to run over.. So might be delayed a few mins. | 16:59 |
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| kiall | and.. they finished :) | 17:01 |
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| kiall | Heya | 18:00 |
| eankutse | here | 18:00 |
| rjrjr | here | 18:00 |
| mugsie | o/ | 18:00 |
| artom | Still half around. | 18:00 |
| betsy | here | 18:00 |
| kiall | 17:49 <kiall> betsy: I'm personally pretty sure dnspython will be reliable.. I think it's the awkwardness of the API, combined with it having much more than we need in there, and the conversions between DNS Python objects and our own.. Performance wise, I think we're going to do better DIY | 18:00 |
| betsy | kiall: makes sense | 18:01 |
| kiall | 17:49 <kiall> betsy: I'm personally pretty sure dnspython will be reliable.. I think it's the awkwardness of the API, combined with it having much more than we need in there, and the conversions between DNS Python objects and our own.. Performance wise, I think we're going to do better DIY | 18:01 |
| kiall | betsy: I'm personally pretty sure dnspython will be reliable.. I think it's the awkwardness of the API, combined with it having much more than we need in there, and the conversions between DNS Python objects and our own.. Performance wise, I think we're going to do better DIY | 18:01 |
| kiall | Why wont that SEND | 18:01 |
| betsy | It did send | 18:01 |
| rjrjr | 3 times. LOL | 18:01 |
| kiall | Lol .. Lag .. again | 18:01 |
| betsy | :D | 18:01 |
| mugsie | kiall will brb, his connection is flaky | 18:02 |
| kiall | This thing on? | 18:03 |
| vinod | yes | 18:03 |
| mugsie | yup | 18:03 |
| kiall | Seems so | 18:03 |
| eankutse | here | 18:03 |
| betsy | I had one quick thing while we're all here | 18:04 |
| kiall | Okay :) So .. My reasoning is purely based on a cursory review of dnspython, with an eye towards Mini-DNS, We def need to build a POC using both to properly understand | 18:04 |
| rjrjr | a POC using dnspython and DIY? | 18:04 |
| kiall | rjrjr: Yep | 18:05 |
| rjrjr | i agree | 18:05 |
| betsy | That sounds like a good idea | 18:05 |
| kiall | But - Based on that cursory review, I think we can do something better *for our purposes* the DIY route.. | 18:05 |
| eankutse | seems like dnspython is still being actively maintained - The stable version of dnspython is 1.11.1, released on September 2, 2013. | 18:06 |
| eankutse | good for us | 18:06 |
| richm | If *for our purposes* means "for supporting minidns axfr/ixfr only" then yes, I agree | 18:06 |
| kiall | richm: Our Mini-DNS goals (long term) should be considered too .. Inbound AXFR, NSUpdate dynamic DNS, etc | 18:07 |
| kiall | eankutse: I think that wasn't the actual release date, but the date they moved it to pypi | 18:08 |
| richm | so, we have at least two options | 18:08 |
| kiall | nevermind | 18:08 |
| kiall | it's the release date | 18:08 |
| eankutse | yep | 18:08 |
| eankutse | http://www.dnspython.org/ | 18:08 |
| richm | 1) minidns diy, then convert to dnspython at a later date | 18:08 |
| eankutse | I was thinking the other way | 18:09 |
| richm | 2) make dnspython work well for minidns first | 18:09 |
| kiall | Well - Would conversion be necessary once it works? | 18:09 |
| eankutse | start with a good interface, plug dnspython behind that and see how that goes. Then do DIY | 18:09 |
| eankutse | if necessary | 18:10 |
| betsy | I don't see why we'd ever need dnspython if we got DIY | 18:10 |
| richm | I don't know all of the complexity involved in supporting all of the features of a DNS server | 18:10 |
| betsy | But we don't need all of them in the mini-DNS, do we? | 18:10 |
| kiall | dnspython, to me, feels like we're going to be outsourcing the core of the system to a library that's not really intended for what we want (But will do it), and has an API that makes me want to cry | 18:10 |
| richm | speaking from experience with other protocol api library implementations - it is almost always better to just pick one and fix it and standardize on it rather than trying to maintain two different protocol implementations | 18:10 |
| rjrjr | are we not getting ahead of ourselves? first POC, then decision. | 18:10 |
| betsy | rjrjr: agree | 18:11 |
| kiall | rjrjr: Agreed, POC using both (I'm happy to take the DIY, is someone else familiar with dnspython yet?) | 18:11 |
| eankutse | I am not but will be happy to | 18:11 |
| eankutse | infact, I 'd like to | 18:11 |
| rjrjr | eankutse: i'd like to help if you need it. | 18:12 |
| eankutse | I mean getting familiar with dnspython | 18:12 |
| kiall | eankutse: cool, lets sync up on the general idea for the POC so we can try and have as few differences as possible.. Making it easier to actually review the library differences | 18:12 |
| eankutse | cool | 18:12 |
| kiall | eankutse: tomorrow though? I'm wrecked and ready for bed already ;) | 18:13 |
| eankutse | that's fine | 18:14 |
| betsy | kaill: I bet. :) It's late there | 18:14 |
| eankutse | what time (UTC) would work for you? | 18:14 |
| kiall | Well - 6pm .. | 18:14 |
| kiall | eankutse: before/after the summit talk meet tomorrow? | 18:14 |
| betsy | kiall: that's late in the "work day" | 18:14 |
| eankutse | fine with me | 18:14 |
| betsy | I have one other quick thing | 18:15 |
| betsy | In the nature of smaller blueprints, I added two sub-blueprints for Blacklists | 18:15 |
| betsy | One for docs and one for v2 unit tests | 18:15 |
| betsy | Anybody object to me marking those as approved? | 18:15 |
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| eankutse | is this back filling bp? | 18:16 |
| eankutse | I mean the work is almost done already? | 18:16 |
| betsy | ? | 18:16 |
| betsy | Well, the main work is done, but the docs haven't been written and the v2 unit tests haven't been done | 18:16 |
| mugsie | ah, k | 18:17 |
| kiall | betsy: they good fine... | 18:17 |
| eankutse | We neeed those | 18:17 |
| mugsie | i think we avoid self aprovals though | 18:17 |
| kiall | lol - I missed the lack of tests in the main review -_- oh well | 18:17 |
| betsy | kiall: I know | 18:17 |
| kiall | mugsie: yea, why don't you go ahead and Approve them? self-approvals are bad (I know, I'm guilty as hell..) | 18:17 |
| betsy | I did, too. Vinod pointed it out later | 18:17 |
| betsy | mugsie: thanks | 18:18 |
| betsy | Yeah. That's why I brought it up. I didn't want to self approve them, or at least I wanted everybody's ok first if I did | 18:18 |
| kiall | Also - If you mention "Blueprint: blacklist-docs" on it's own line at the end of the commit message, Gerrit will sync up with Launchpad automatically | 18:18 |
| kiall | (Noticed the blacklist one was still open) | 18:18 |
| betsy | Ah. I didn't know that | 18:19 |
| kiall | Or.. It was open? weird. | 18:19 |
| mugsie | kiall: i closed it just there | 18:19 |
| kiall | Ah .. "Graham Hayes 34 seconds ago" | 18:19 |
| betsy | lol | 18:19 |
| rjrjr | one more thing | 18:20 |
| eankutse | Kiall: Did you mention earlier on that Monty seems to think that "mini-DNS" being WIP would not negatively affect incubation? | 18:21 |
| rjrjr | mugsie, i have approval to go to Atlanta. do you have a URL for the presentation? it turns out our PR people need to approve it before i can present. sounds like it is no big deal, but i do need to get their approval. | 18:21 |
| eankutse | sorry rjrjr :-) | 18:21 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: I just have an abstract | 18:21 |
| rjrjr | no, finish your thoughts. my bad. | 18:21 |
| kiall | rjrjr: it hasn't been written yet, just the abstract.. we have a similar approval thing too | 18:21 |
| kiall | eankutse: no, the other way around.. that he thought mini-dns was "The only sane sane way to do it" | 18:22 |
| eankutse | k. Thx | 18:22 |
| betsy | Okay. I'm off to lunch. Starving | 18:22 |
| kiall | eankutse / betsy - also, I mentioned it briefly earlier.. Alex Barclay @ HP has been talked with working through incubation stuff for us | 18:22 |
| mugsie | rjrjr: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1D6FcXMiWMvFTIggWiRu3VajVTnerCFDErTdafcSyxl0/edit?usp=sharing | 18:22 |
| rjrjr | mugsie, great. we can discuss more tomorrow. | 18:23 |
| betsy | kiall: cool | 18:23 |
| kiall | tasked* | 18:23 |
| mugsie | cool. any ideas / changes, just drop me an email | 18:23 |
| kiall | Once the abstracts are submitted.. There is plenty of time to get the presentations themselves ready | 18:24 |
| betsy | and to go through all the necessary approvals | 18:24 |
| betsy | now I'm off to lunch. | 18:25 |
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| artom | Hah, "Failed to match .. Bla Bla Bla FIXME" | 19:31 |
| artom | Not even a #TODO dude | 19:31 |
| artom | :D | 19:31 |
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| artom | Since when does Jenkins rerun the check jobs after a comment has been posted on the PS? | 19:43 |
| eankutse | Kiall: good to know Alex Barclay @ HP is helping work through incubation stuff | 19:56 |
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